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DJ Mbenga
12-05-2011, 08:49 PM
Tyson Chandler (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/240273)'s hunch that he'll be wearing a new uniform soon could prove to be true. And it may have nothing to do with Chandler and everything to do with Deron Williams (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/555987).

With serious interest registered from the Nets (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/NJ), Golden State, Houston and Sacramento, four teams with cap space and flexibility, the man who served as the glue for the Mavericks (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/DAL)' 2011 NBA title could be slipping away -- but for reasons that go well beyond the uncertain free-agent market for Chandler himself.

The Mavs are in no rush to pony up a max offer to retain Chandler, largely because they want to maintain flexibility for next summer's free-agent class -- which just happens to include Dallas' own Williams, multiple sources told CBSSports.com. While much of the speculation in this five-day run-up to the start of free agency Friday has centered around 2012 free agents Chris Paul (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/555969) and Dwight Howard (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/498287), Williams' situation is in many ways more intriguing.

"Everything is sort of stuck because of Chris and Dwight," one agent said Monday.

Add Deron to that list.

The Nets traded Derrick Favors (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1755180), Devin Harris (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/498285) and two first-round picks to Utah for Williams in February and are in the process of trying to assemble enough talent around him to keep him with the team when it moves to Brooklyn next season. Like Paul and Howard, Williams has an early-termination option that would make him an unrestricted free agent on July 1. Williams already has indicated he will not sign an extension this season, just as Paul and Howard will not. Howard remains intent on finding his way to Los Angeles to join the Lakers (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/LAL), while Paul has his sights set on New York -- though he remains open to a trade that would team him up with Howard in Orlando.

Williams spoke with members of the New York-New Jersey media Monday and proclaimed in a radio interview on New York's WFAN (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/12/05/deron-williams-90-percent-chance-i-stay-with-nets/) that there's a 90 percent chance he stays with the Nets. New Jersey has expressed interest in free agents Chandler, Nene and Caron Butler (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/307820), but the big prize that would make D-Will's decision to stay on the East Coast a no-brainer would be a trade for Howard -- a tantalizing scenario that could play out one way or another by the end of the week.

New rules that dampen the home team's advantage in offering its own prospective free agent a significantly larger extension -- and essentially take away the extend-and-trade and sign-and-trade safety nets -- are expected to force the Hornets (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/NO) and Magic (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/ORL) to make quick decisions on how to handle Paul's and Howard's impending free agency. The Nets, having given up so many assets for Williams, are in a position to be more patient and do everything possible to entice their star to stay put.

But if the Nets are unsuccessful in their efforts to land Howard -- Brook Lopez (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1622544), first-round picks and absorbing Hedo Turkoglu (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/196361)'s contract doesn't figure to be enough -- then Williams will have an interesting decision to make come July 1. And the buzz among front-office executives Monday was that Dallas owner Mark Cuban would be in a position to sell Williams on taking less money to play in his hometown.

Once Williams becomes a free agent, he could get a five-year, $100 million deal to stay with the Nets. Signing with Dallas would net Williams only a four-year, $74 million deal. How much playing in his hometown is worth to Williams would depend, in part, on what pieces the Nets surround him with between now and then.

Of the teams expected to contend for a championship this season, only Dallas would have the cap space to sign a max player next summer and still have room to do more. If the Mavs used the amnesty provision on Brendan Haywood (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/240289) next summer, they'd be more than $21 million under the cap -- with Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/20622) still around, draining jumpers.

Jason Terry (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/139097) and Jason Kidd (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/6652) come off the books after the season, and the Mavs will want their Hall of Fame point guard to pass the torch to a star in his prime and keep Nowitzki in the hunt for more titles during the final two years of his contract. In addition to Williams, Paul and Howard, the 2012 free-agent class is loaded with attractive restricted free agents, such as Russell Westbrook (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1622555), Eric Gordon (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1622501), O.J. Mayo (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1622546) and George Hill (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1622539) -- not to mention Derrick Rose (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1622510), who nobody envisions leaving Chicago.

So the lackluster nature of this free-agent class compared to next summer's, combined with confusion about the new rules and an unwillingness to be the team that sets the market, have slowed the activity with four days to go before camps and free agency officially open. Also, don't underestimate how the shortened season provides an incentive for teams to pass on significant moves now when July 1 is only a few months away.

The biggest impediment to the wheeling and dealing in 2011 has everything to do with 2012 and beyond.

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33716739

DPG21920
12-05-2011, 08:59 PM
So their plan is to waste a year of contention in order to chase a guy who says he's 90% sure he's staying put all the while trying to get him to take about 25M less than he can get.

Ok.

Giuseppe
12-05-2011, 09:17 PM
^Maybe yer aunt could talk some sense into 'em, Deeps.

DPG21920
12-05-2011, 09:21 PM
Get over it a-hole.

Giuseppe
12-05-2011, 09:22 PM
Deeps is on the rag tonite.

mavs>spurs
12-05-2011, 09:24 PM
Cubbs, locked in on his target, activating rape mode.

mavsfan1000
12-05-2011, 09:30 PM
Good decision by Cuban.

Findog
12-05-2011, 09:57 PM
The Mavs brass knows that without Chandler they don't beat Miami and they'll most likely face them again this year if they get back to the Finals. No Chandler = No Championship. I can't imagine they don't have contingency plans in the event that somebody wildly overpays for Chandler.

I'll be really disappointed if they don't do everything they can to mount a vigorous title defense. If we lose Chandler that instantly drops us behind the Lakers, Spurs and Thunder , maybe the Grizzlies as well.

DPG21920
12-05-2011, 10:09 PM
But you have a 10% chance at Dwill if he's willing to accept 25M less than he could get.

mavs>spurs
12-05-2011, 10:13 PM
How good would the mavs even be with Dwill but no real C outside of Brenda? meh..

DPG21920
12-05-2011, 10:17 PM
How good would the mavs even be with Dwill but no real C outside of Brenda? meh..

You better hope this doesn't happen :lol. If Tyson does not sign, you are done for the entire year :lol

mavs>spurs
12-05-2011, 10:18 PM
we need to go after dwight or tyson or BUST

mavsfan1000
12-05-2011, 10:20 PM
we need to go after dwight or tyson or BUST
Yes ideally. But not too realistic. That is Dwight. Tyson won't be enough with an age older aging team.

mavs>spurs
12-05-2011, 10:21 PM
i didn't ask for a bullfan opinion anyway

mavsfan1000
12-05-2011, 10:46 PM
i didn't ask for a bullfan opinion anyway
It is reality. Not an opinion. If you think Tyson is enough, you will be wrong.

mavs>spurs
12-05-2011, 10:49 PM
You also didn't think Tyson was enough last year, all the way until the last buzzer sounded. Even all the bandwagoners jumped on up 2-0 on the lakers, but not you. That's because you're a special breed of faggot and nobody here cares what you have to say. Now go fist yourself.

DPG21920
12-05-2011, 10:52 PM
Uh, uh, Y.H. You were wrong as well. Just because you jumped on the bandwagon after the fact doesn't change that. You've got no room for last year.

mavs>spurs
12-05-2011, 10:55 PM
Uh, uh, Y.H. You were wrong as well. Just because you jumped on the bandwagon after the fact doesn't change that. You've got no room for last year.

Nope PG, you have no room either. You too were wrong bout them mavs, even more than I was. I saw the error of my ways about Tyson after the first month of the season, you refused to believe it until we hoisted the trophy. You and bullsfan get the dunce cap as far as I'm concerned.

mavsfan1000
12-05-2011, 10:56 PM
You also didn't think Tyson was enough last year, all the way until the last buzzer sounded. Even all the bandwagoners jumped on up 2-0 on the lakers, but not you. That's because you're a special breed of faggot and nobody here cares what you have to say. Now go fist yourself.
Hey faggot. This isn't last year. This is a new year. Teams age naturally. The same team last year won't be the same this year as players slow down with age. And thus aren't as good as in the past. Kidd, Marion, Nowitzki, and Terry are all going to be less of players this year. Thus you need a better team around them to make the difference.

mavs>spurs
12-05-2011, 10:58 PM
It may be this year but I can do a regression analysis in my head of past years data and easily see that you ain't on track to ever be right anytime soon, you were not only wrong last year but in all 11,729 posts of your shitty existence on this board. Lmao ugly duckling mav fan.

lol not knowing who michael finley is

lol devin harris knobslobber

lol more wrong bout them mavs than anyone

mavsfan1000
12-05-2011, 11:07 PM
It may be this year but I can do a regression analysis in my head of past years data and easily see that you ain't on track to ever be right anytime soon, you were not only wrong last year but in all 11,729 posts of your shitty existence on this board. Lmao ugly duckling mav fan.

lol not knowing who michael finley is

lol devin harris knobslobber

lol more wrong bout them mavs than anyone
I know plenty about Michael Finley. He is ringless and was on the decline by the time Dallas finally got good. His decline was rather quick. lol And Devin Harris was the future. He had great speed and made us harder to defend compared to Kidd. Parker was happy when Harris got traded as he struggled with Harris. I thought Chandler helped us a lot this year. I just don't think he will be enough for next year. The amount he is asking for will for surely take us out of chances of getting better again. Ideally, we need to get Chandler along with one more player to improve. Chandler is taking that out of equation with his greed.

DPG21920
12-05-2011, 11:22 PM
Nope PG, you have no room either. You too were wrong bout them mavs, even more than I was. I saw the error of my ways about Tyson after the first month of the season, you refused to believe it until we hoisted the trophy. You and bullsfan get the dunce cap as far as I'm concerned.

Uh, uh, we ain't having none of this malarky. Wrong is wrong and quantifying it is for wussies.

You were wrong about Tyson when he came in, wrong about the Mavs, changed your mind, then were wrong AGAIN, then only after they won you hopped on. You have no roomPERIOD.

You are about to be wrong about TysonTWICE :hat Then you are already done for the year with regards to room.

Dunc n Dave
12-05-2011, 11:25 PM
I know plenty about Michael Finley. He is ringless and was on the decline by the time Dallas finally got good. .

You know plent about Michael Finley? You might want to recant that statement....

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/2923438/480/SA-Spurs/michael-finley-championshiptrophy.jpg?v0

http://www.mysanantonio.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=1057339&width=628&height=471

http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/files/2007/06/l54731-2.jpg

mavsfan1000
12-05-2011, 11:28 PM
You know plent about Michael Finley? You might want to recant that statement....

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/2923438/480/SA-Spurs/michael-finley-championshiptrophy.jpg?v0

http://www.mysanantonio.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=1057339&width=628&height=471

http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/files/2007/06/l54731-2.jpg
Fuck. I forgot that. I remember him getting owned by Dallas after switching teams. My memory let me down. :depressed

mavs>spurs
12-05-2011, 11:29 PM
You know plent about Michael Finley? You might want to recant that statement....

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/2923438/480/SA-Spurs/michael-finley-championshiptrophy.jpg?v0

http://www.mysanantonio.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=1057339&width=628&height=471

http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/files/2007/06/l54731-2.jpg

:lmao goes to show who we are dealing with here

mavsfan1000
12-05-2011, 11:38 PM
:lmao goes to show who we are dealing with here
Yes I could care less about Finley once he went with the Spurs. And I do remember that now. The next year Finley sucked. Dallas was better with Josh Howard getting more touches and Adrian Griffin played a good role which allowed Dallas to be a better team than with Finley in from years 2005 and 2006.

mavs>spurs
12-05-2011, 11:41 PM
:cry i hate finley he's ringless oh wait

:lmao

mavsfan1000
12-05-2011, 11:43 PM
Get over it. I don't keep track of San Antonio as well as you do. But I do watch a ton of Mavs games. Finley in his last 2 years in the playoffs for the Mavs was very inconsistent. His defense was also poor. He had to go because his ego would not allow him to be a bench player.

adrienne
12-06-2011, 12:07 AM
Dallas has a better shot at Deron than, say, Milwaukee, but not nearly enough to risk everything. I just keep telling myself that maybe Cuban has some brilliant master plan that I can not yet comprehend. I'm pretty sure I'm lying to myself.

And I like Finley. He gave us some good years with the Big 3. I was happy to see him win one...though I've never minded San Antonio since they aren't pure evil like LA or Miami.

sefant77
12-06-2011, 12:23 AM
But you have a 10% chance at Dwill if he's willing to accept 25M less than he could get.

One is a 5y contract, the other 4y. He dont give up the money, he just doesnt have it guaranteed. But most of it he would get "back" with next contract...

DPG21920
12-06-2011, 12:31 AM
It's definitely less money and less guaranteed. No matter how Mav fan wants to slice it, it's less money.