Yahoo: Spurs "keeping close check" on Kaman

[lmbebo]

Spurs, Pistons keeping close check on Chris Kaman, but Clippers won't move him until resolution on restricted free agent DeAndre Jordan.

@WojYahooNBA

[lmbebo]

didn't read it...

[cutewizard]

kaman, is he available? i hope he considers playing for the Spurs

[cutewizard]

if Nene wants a contender, why not Spurs???/

Nene please come to the Spurs man , please

LOL

[elemento]

The best that we could offer is : RJ + Dejuan Blair + taking Gomes scrub ass back using Mcdyess expiring + our 1st round pick

[Big P]

The Clips offered D. Jordan a 5 year $40 mil offer sheet. Let's see if he signs it and then see what the Clips do with Kaman.

[Leetonidas]

Dude is huge. He may not be a regular Mutumbo or anything but he is a legit center and is probably the best we could get and would finally be the first true big to start next to Timmy since David. Get this mf'er, I don't care if he's injury prone or looks like primitive man. If it gets Bonner less minutes I'm behind it

[urunobili]

no one has given me any props for being the very first one to suggest it... :self loathing

[mountainballer]

hm.
a trade of RJ, Dice, Blair for Kaman, Gomes is definitely intriguing.
why the Clippers do it?
well, aside the fact that they don't do it, they might see some talent in Blair (for a cheap price), the chance to dump Dice and create cap space (if waiving Dice to save the ungaranteed part of his contract is still possible) and replace Gomes with a better player. (yeah. RJ is better than Gomes, at least for a running team).
Tony-Neal
Manu-Anderson
Gomes-Leonard
Tim-Bonner
Kaman-Tiago
this might work.

[superbigtime]

I've always like Kaveman. Solid not spectacular. Better than Rasho for sure. Please please get a legitimate center for once and for all.

[Dex]

Please please please please please please please please.

[tuncaboylu]

Kaman was mostly injured last year, has an expiring contract and his market value is on the bottom. Clippers would glad to get RJ and Blair on return for him.

But the question is, should we give up Blair for Kaman? He would be useful if he stays healthy and we would resign with him reasonable contract.(i.e.4 years 25M). But if he won't be healthy, it would be a bad move. (Good news: Kaman played well on European championship and he was in a good shape)

[Seventyniner]

Reading about the Clippers' interest in Paul and Howard, I can't help but (laugh) notice that they're going to be trying to clear 2012 cap space like nothing else.

Thus, RJ + Dice + Blair for Kaman + Gomes actually adds $6M to their 2012-2013 payroll, leaving them with not enough room for two max contracts.

What they'd really like to send out is Kaman + Mo Williams, but the Spurs can only cobble together enough salary to get within 80% of that (inverse of 125%) by including Green and Butler with RJ/Dice/Blair.

[jesterbobman]

I think if they found out they could sign Howard and Paul, they could get a team to take on Mo Williams, though I also doubt they'd be fully in on that deal, I think they're hoarding cap space aswell.

[tuncaboylu]

Reading about the Clippers' interest in Paul and Howard, I can't help but (laugh) notice that they're going to be trying to clear 2012 cap space like nothing else.

Thus, RJ + Dice + Blair for Kaman + Gomes actually adds $6M to their 2012-2013 payroll, leaving them with not enough room for two max contracts.

What they'd really like to send out is Kaman + Mo Williams, but the Spurs can only cobble together enough salary to get within 80% of that (inverse of 125%) by including Green and Butler with RJ/Dice/Blair.

If both Howard and Paul accepts Clippers offer(which is unlikely), they can use amnesty clause on Mo Williams(or RJ) to clear cap space.

[Seventyniner]

If both Howard and Paul accepts Clippers offer(which is unlikely), they can use amnesty clause on Mo Williams(or RJ) to clear cap space.

But they wouldn't want both RJ and Williams on their team, because they could only amnesty one.

You could turn this into RJ/Dice/Blair/Bonner/Butler/Green for Kaman/Mo Williams/Gomes, saving the Clippers another $630K due to Bonner's contract being slightly smaller than Gomes's.

Edit: now that I read about teams not being able to amnesty traded players, the Clippers definitely won't want RJ, even if they can dump Williams. They'd keep Williams instead and amnesty him if need be.

[elec99]

Dice's contract would be valuable to the clips, they can clear out 5 mil by buying dice out at 2mil. I dont see why, if they're looking to clear up space, they'd want RJ unless they're in need of a 3. I think the numbers would work but they'd have to see value in RJ.

[baseline bum]

Kaman is about to hit 30 and thus will do jack shit for the rebuild other than stealing away draft picks and young talent. Pass.

[lefty]

Kaman is about to hit 30 and thus will do jack shit for the rebuild other than stealing away draft picks and young talent. Pass.
That's really young for a Spur

[Em-City]

Kaman is about to hit 30 and thus will do jack shit for the rebuild other than stealing away draft picks and young talent. Pass.

Fuck the rebuild! i want a title in 2012 and we need a big man to do it!

[Obstructed_View]

Kaman is about to hit 30 and thus will do jack shit for the rebuild other than stealing away draft picks and young talent. Pass.

There will be a lot of chances to rebuild after Duncan hangs them up.

[ogait]

Kaman is about to hit 30 and thus will do jack shit for the rebuild other than stealing away draft picks and young talent. Pass.

After Tim and Manu are gone the Spurs will have a lot of chances to go into the lottery, Kaman isn't good enough to change that.

[baseline bum]

Fuck the rebuild! i want a title in 2012 and we need a big man to do it!

If you were talking a real difference maker like Nene or Tyson Chandler I'd be fully on board with mortgaging the future, but not for an injury prone player like Kaman who has never shown any consistency in his career.

[DejuanorwhatDude]

Probably won't happen...but would be much more exciting from a fan perspective than moving nowhere in FA.

[stephen jackson]

if we get him A+ offseason :)

[baseline bum]

If the Spurs were going to take over a big salary I'd much rather have Varejao anyways. Tim's not going to effectively guard the 4 anymore, so I'd rather get a PF to play with him if the team is going title or bust.

[TDMVPDPOY]

whats the nuggets roster situation atm without kmart, jrsmith?...would they do a sign n trade for rj and pieces for nene?

[Big P]

Not a chance.

[objective]

Maybe it's not fair, but Kaman never seemed like a high b-ball IQ king of player.

Wasn't he the guy who didn't foul Parker at the end of a game in 05 because he thought Parker was a great free throw shooter? If I'm wrong, my apologies.

Either way, he doesn't seem like the brightest australopithecus around, and he would be one of those guys with trouble picking up the system in a short camp and no practice time during the season. Add that to his injury troubles and the other shortcomings in his game . . . I'd dance for joy if there was a Kaman/RJ swap, but it would only be for junking RJ.

[MaNu4Tres]

. . . I'd dance for joy if there was a Kaman/RJ swap, but it would only be for junking RJ.

Kaman is one of the best low post players in the game (when healthy). I'd personally be ecstatic if we found a way to add him to the front-court. Not only would his length, girth, and underrated athletic ability help in the interior defensively, but part of the Spurs problem was finding efficient/easier ways to score in half-court sets when the defenses picked up their intensity (Duncan declining considerably being the reason; 4 down has no longer been an efficient option).

With the addition of Kaman, Spurs would be getting an efficient scoring threat in the low block that would ease the pressure off of Tony and Manu down the stretch in games.

In recent years, Manu and Tony have grown accustomed to expending every ounce of energy on the offensive end to keep the Spurs' offense competitively competent. You know the drill, Pop would endlessly call for a Manu or Tony pick and roll only for it to be hedged 3-4 times-- leading to an inevitable contested jump shot late in the shot clock. That scenario happened too many times for the Spurs to be successful down the stretch in big games. For that reason, I'd be more than happy if Spurs found a way to add Kaman at the expense of a packaged core of R.J/Blair.

[Hooks]

Kaman is an extremely underrated player, one of the best big men in the NBA. Adding him and getting rid of RJ/Blair would give us one of the best big men line ups in the NBA. I KNOW Splitter will be a solid player this year off the bench or starting, adding Kaman and getting rid of those two players improves the Spurs' defense and offense greatly.

[SenorSpur]

Kaman is one of the best low post players in the game. I'd personally be ecstatic if we found a way to add him to the front-court. Not only would his length, girth, and underrated athletic ability help in the interior defensively, but part of the Spurs problem was finding efficient/easier ways to score in half-court sets when the defenses picked up their intensity (Duncan declining considerably being the reason; 4 down has no longer been an efficient option).

With the addition of Kaman, Spurs would be getting an efficient scoring threat in the low block that would ease the pressure off of Tony and Manu down the stretch in games.

In recent years, Manu and Tony have grown accustomed to expending every ounce of energy on the offensive end to keep the Spurs' offense competitively competent. You know the drill, Pop would endlessly call for a Manu or Tony pick and roll only for it to be hedged 3-4 times-- leading to an inevitable contested jump shot late in the shot clock. That scenario happened too many times for the Spurs to be successful down the stretch in big games. For that reason, I'd be more than happy if Spurs found a way to add Kaman at the expense of a packaged core of R.J/Blair.

I was under the impression that Kaman was sliding a bit, in terms of performance. However, you've sold me on the infinite possibilities. :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

I was under the impression that Kaman was sliding a bit, in terms of performance. However, you've sold me on the infinite possibilities. :lol

Last year he dealt with an ankle injury that derailed him for half the season, which has somewhat hampered his trade value (along w/ his status as a one year rental for teams interested in trading for his talent).

The year before (09'-10') when he was healthy, Kaman was voted to the All-Star team putting up 18 and 10 a night. People seem to forget that.

[SenorSpur]

Last year he dealt with an ankle injury that derailed him for half the season, which has somewhat hampered his trade value (along w/ his status as a one year rental for teams interested in trading for his talent).

The year before (09'-10') when he was healthy, Kaman was voted to the All-Star team putting up 18 and 10 a night. People seem to forget that.

The other hidden little gem about Kaman is that he has an expiring contract. Seeing as how the Clippers are OUT of the Dwight Howard conversations, it would appear their priority would be resigning Deandre Jordan and acquiring a bonafide SF.

[jjktkk]

The other hidden little gem about Kaman is that he has an expiring contract. Seeing as how the Clippers are OUT of the Dwight Howard conversations, it would appear their priority would be resigning Deandre Jordan and acquiring a bonafide SF.

Now RC just has to convince the Clips that RJ is a legit sf.

[Hooks]

Now RC just has to convince the Clips that RJ is a legit sf.


I think it's pretty safe to say the Spurs WILL acquire Kaman, didn't know the Clips needed a SF either. After all, Sterling is their owner...

""While ignoring my suggestions and isolating me from decisions customarily reserved for general managers, the Clippers attempted to place the blame for the team's failures on me," Baylor said in the declaration. "During this same period, players Sam Cassell (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/1295/), Elton Brand (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3324/) and Corey Maggette (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3336/) complained to me that DONALD STERLING would bring women into the locker room after games, while the players were showering, and make comments such as, 'Look at those beautiful black bodies.' I brought this to Sterling's attention, but he continued to bring women into the locker room."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Donald-Sterling-allegedly-acted-terribly-in-the-?urn=nba-304544


Dick also gets to visit his favorite white boy (Luke) in L.A and Sterling gets Dick. Dick is probably begging the Spurs' FO to trade him to LA.

[objective]

If the Spurs acquired Kaman then I would no longer be the most accurate prognosticating poster re: the Spurs in Spurstalk history.

sorry, but that's a title I don't foresee ever losing.

:lol

[swaggerjackson]

I would love the Spurs to add Kaman. I was reading on Hoopsworld which I know is total crap, but they were talking about the Clippers jumping at the chance to get manu. I have the feeling we are about to make a move. Why else would we be all over swingmen when we are pretty well stacked at the 2 and 3 but short of bigs and a backup point guard? Unless it is a smokescreen there has to be a deal in place. We have all assumed it would be Jefferson (mainly because he sucks, he is overpayed, and we hate him) but any chance it is manu that is on the way out? I love manu and I hope he wouldn't be moved. Atleast not just for Kaman. But yeah what if caron, vince, etc are to replace manu? not RJ

[SenorSpur]

Now RC just has to convince the Clips that RJ is a legit sf.

:lol

Show the Clips only film of his NJ days only.

[timtonymanu]

Assuming Butler decides to sign with the Clippers, would they even want to take RJ's contract after that?

[TimmehC]

Trading Manu is PR suicide for the Spurs, not to mention the fact that you don't trade your best player for a guy that is maybe a good #2 option.

[objective]

Assuming Butler decides to sign with the Clippers, would they even want to take RJ's contract after that?

well, you'd just have to assume that they won't get Butler, won't get any other small forward, won't choose to trust in Aminu, and will want to add a lot of salary to their roster while believing that Jefferson would be a good piece.

[kjhip1]

Dont know if this has been posted yet, but the Clippers made an offer to New Orleans for the services of Chris Paul, which they are saying may have included Bledsoe, Aminu, Kaman, and 1st round draft pick...so big IF this happens we can waive bye bye to Kaman...

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7325398/source-eric-gordon-deandre-jordan-not-los-angeles-clippers-chris-paul-offer

[Vic Petro]

well, you'd just have to assume that they won't get Butler, won't get any other small forward, won't choose to trust in Aminu, and will want to add a lot of salary to their roster while believing that Jefferson would be a good piece.

So you're saying there's a chance?

[TDMVPDPOY]

do you guys think the noh will get rid of okafor?...NOH want are young pieces and picks...we can give them blair, draft picks, draft rights....

out - rj, bonner, blair, whoever. dice
in - kaman, okafor

[mountainballer]

Maybe it's not fair, but Kaman never seemed like a high b-ball IQ king of player.

Wasn't he the guy who didn't foul Parker at the end of a game in 05 because he thought Parker was a great free throw shooter? If I'm wrong, my apologies.

Either way, he doesn't seem like the brightest australopithecus around, and he would be one of those guys with trouble picking up the system in a short camp and no practice time during the season. Add that to his injury troubles and the other shortcomings in his game . . . I'd dance for joy if there was a Kaman/RJ swap, but it would only be for junking RJ.

agree about some points and he for sure isn't as underrated, as some posters think.
on the other hand, for example, he did play a pretty good Eurobasket alongside Dirk this summer. he was the tournaments #1 in RPG and #1 in double-doubles, #2 in BPG, #2 in FG%, #7 in PPG.
they don't show a PER or efficiency ranking (and I don't want to calculate it), but I'm pretty sure he would at least be top 5 in such a ranking.

if his BB IQ was that low, he wouldn't succeed like that in a FIBA tournament.

bottom line: he won't bring Spurs back to cantender status, but considering our assets a trade for him without give up on Tim, Tony, Manu would be a sensational move. but also considering the kind of move this would be, the Clippers will ask for some more than what was mentioned here. (Blair as the trow in talent) for example the 1st round pick 2012 (what will be a very deep draft) and maybe even another young player like Anderson or Leonard.

[objective]

Spurs would be better off using the amnesty on RJ rather than give up Leonard/Anderson or a pick.

Besides, Kaman has missed 50 games 2 of the last 3 years. Doesn't seem the type to handle a compressed schedule well.

[mountainballer]

wow. this means you value the pick, or JA, or Leonard with about 20 million $.
(the additional costs of waiving RJ instead of trading him for Kaman)
btw. Holt isn't exactly Mikhail Prokhorov.

[jesterbobman]

I wouldn't give up Leonard for Kaman. Kaman would help in trying to win a title, and he's a good player, but we probably only keep him this year, and giving up Kawhi seems like sacrificing one spot for another. I know he's unproven, but it seems like, at the very least he'll be a productive role player as a defense/hustle guy, but he'll help his team win on only a few shots a game, and he's likely to produce well above his salary, at least for the next 4 years.

I think the reality is that we're halfway between contention and rebuilding. Kawhi can probably help, even if it's just 20 minutes a game.

We do need a big, I'm just unsure of whether the benefit of Kaman(and Tiago playing less) is worth another season of being small on the wings, with a Joseph(FA PG)-Neal-Anderson Bench.

[spurspokesman]

If the Spurs were going to take over a big salary I'd much rather have Varejao anyways. Tim's not going to effectively guard the 4 anymore, so I'd rather get a PF to play with him if the team is going title or bust.

I say go for the title. Who knows if we will even have a sniff at it in the near future.

[MaNu4Tres]

If the Spurs were going to take over a big salary I'd much rather have Varejao anyways. Tim's not going to effectively guard the 4 anymore, so I'd rather get a PF to play with him if the team is going title or bust.

If a deal involving Jefferson to net a big man can't be done, a McDyess-Blair-Butler for Varejao trade makes some sense for both sides. It would benefit Cleveland's rebuilding aspirations as the move would help them clear roughly 9 million in cap space for next off-season (over 35 million in total savings for the duration of his contract). At the same time, they get a young rebuilding prospect in Blair for cheap, who would split minutes with Tristan Thompson at the 4 spot.

My question is would the Spurs be willing to add on that significant salary for the next 3 years? Or would they be hesitant and ask for a future asset (lottery protected draft pick/Eyenga) in return as well for taking on that salary for a middle-tier big man?

[Seventyniner]

Dont know if this has been posted yet, but the Clippers made an offer to New Orleans for the services of Chris Paul, which they are saying may have included Bledsoe, Aminu, Kaman, and 1st round draft pick...so big IF this happens we can waive bye bye to Kaman...

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7325398/source-eric-gordon-deandre-jordan-not-los-angeles-clippers-chris-paul-offer

This trade would definitely open the door for a RJ/Dice/Blair for Ariza/Okafor swap, especially if David West walks in free agency. If the Hornets are willing to trade Paul for expirings, and West leaves, they'll be looking to clean house completely.


If a deal involving Jefferson to net a big man can't be done, a McDyess-Blair-Butler for Varejao trade makes some sense for both sides. It would benefit Cleveland's rebuilding aspirations as the move would help them clear roughly 9 million in cap space for next off-season (over 35 million in total savings for the duration of his contract). At the same time, they get a young rebuilding prospect in Blair for cheap, who would split minutes with Tristan Thompson at the 4 spot.

My question is would the Spurs be willing to add on that significant salary for the next 3 years? Or would they be hesitant and ask for a future asset (lottery protected draft pick/Eyenga) in return as well for taking on that salary for a middle-tier big man?

One thing about trading for Varejao while keeping RJ is that it makes the Spurs more likely to amnesty RJ next year, IMO. That would solve some of the problem of tax payments, given Duncan's $21M is coming off the books after this season.

[SenorSpur]

agree about some points and he for sure isn't as underrated, as some posters think.
on the other hand, for example, he did play a pretty good Eurobasket alongside Dirk this summer. he was the tournaments #1 in RPG and #1 in double-doubles, #2 in BPG, #2 in FG%, #7 in PPG.
they don't show a PER or efficiency ranking (and I don't want to calculate it), but I'm pretty sure he would at least be top 5 in such a ranking.

if his BB IQ was that low, he wouldn't succeed like that in a FIBA tournament.

bottom line: he won't bring Spurs back to cantender status, but considering our assets a trade for him without give up on Tim, Tony, Manu would be a sensational move. but also considering the kind of move this would be, the Clippers will ask for some more than what was mentioned here. (Blair as the trow in talent) for example the 1st round pick 2012 (what will be a very deep draft) and maybe even another young player like Anderson or Leonard.

You had me up to here. Why on earth would the Spurs ever consider including a young kid (Leonard) as a part of any trade scenario? Leonard is a young player in which the Spurs valued so much and felt so strongly about that they were forced to sacrifice one of their key players and fan favorite in (George Hill). Leonard is a young talented player who could be an intergal part of the Spurs future and he hasn't even hit the court yet.

That proposal, even hypotheticially, makes no sense and would never happen.

[urunobili]

Pop's wet dream of a C.

TD to play 4 only hitting J's and avoiding bruising inside...

[DesignatedT]

Not much of a shot now. Butler to sign with Clips, they wont need a SF now, RJ to be cut

What?

[Buddy Holly]

What?

It's called talking out of one's ass syndrome.

[Mel_13]

He keeps flinging stuff against the wall. You'd think something would have stuck by now.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kaman would be better than nothing, but he's an average player that can't consistently create his own offense against good defenders..he's a below average overall defender..

He would be a nice addition, in regards to size, but overall, he isn't a standout player..

[SenorSpur]

Outside of Nene, Kaman is probably the best the Spurs can hope for - given their limited resources and assets.

[Chomag]

Very good second option if Spurs can't land Nene but I am very woried about Kaman's duribilty.

[objective]

No surprise.

RJ had NO trade value.

NONE.

Just like I've been posting forever.

[timvp]

RJ had NO trade value.

NONE.

Just like I've been posting forever.

Someone thought RJ had trade value? Ouch.

The question with RJ's trade value is how negative it was. Would a team have eaten his contract if the Spurs threw in picks and Blair? What about picks and Splitter?

[MaNu4Tres]

No surprise.

RJ had NO trade value.

NONE.

Just like I've been posting forever.


Maybe he did, but maybe when push came to shove Spurs didn't like what was offered. Just like when they fielded calls for Parker. He wasn't traded, does that mean he had No trade value? NONE?

[objective]

Parker had value.

RJ didn't.

[Russ]

Maybe he did, but maybe when push came to shove Spurs didn't like what was offered. Just like when they fielded calls for Parker. He wasn't traded, does that mean he had No trade value? NONE?

What tells me RJ had no trade value is: 1) No one other than the Spurs stepped up when Milwaukee was desperate to unload him in '09 and 2) I can't recall a single offer RJ got (other than the Spurs' hush money offer) when he opted out of his guranteed contract in '10.

[benefactor]

MaNu4Tres....

"Best you let this go."

-Rooster Cogburn

[MaNu4Tres]

What tells me RJ had no trade value is: 1) No one other than the Spurs stepped up when Milwaukee was desperate to unload him in '09 and 2) I can't recall a single offer RJ got (other than the Spurs' hush money offer) when he opted out of his guranteed contract in '10.

1) Portland offered a deal but it included guaranteed salary for multiple years.

2) The reason R.J didn't get a single call was because he already had a pre-arranged deal with the Spurs in May of 2010. That is why he opted opt on a guaranteed 15 million last season (not hard to figure out). That's the reason why he went on his honey-moon with Luke Walton for the majority of the summer and never visited any other team during the F.A process. The deal was pre-arranged in order for the Spurs to avoid the potentially steep luxury tax hit of over 20 million.

[MaNu4Tres]

MaNu4Tres....

"Best you let this go."

-Rooster Cogburn

:lol

Touche

[MaNu4Tres]

Parker had value.

RJ didn't.

Correction:

Parker had great trading value.

RJ had negative trading value. (still value; nonetheless; I.E Hedo, Rashard Lewis)

[objective]

It did later come out iirc that RJ opted out because he thought he was going to get a better deal from New Jersey. Too bad for him they decided to blow money on other scrubs like Outlaw and Petro. He wasn't doing the Spurs a favor, he was looking out for himself first and foremost.

[MaNu4Tres]

It did later come out iirc that RJ opted out because he thought he was going to get a better deal from New Jersey. Too bad for him they decided to blow money on other scrubs like Outlaw and Petro. He wasn't doing the Spurs a favor, he was looking out for himself first and foremost.

Sorry bud but you're wrong here. If you heard anything in regards of New Jersey being a realistic possibility, it was all smoke and mirrors hoopla to put a cement slab over what really transpired under the table.

[objective]

:lol my track record speaks for itself.

[Seventyniner]

It did later come out iirc that RJ opted out because he thought he was going to get a better deal from New Jersey. Too bad for him they decided to blow money on other scrubs like Outlaw and Petro. He wasn't doing the Spurs a favor, he was looking out for himself first and foremost.

Better than 4/40?! If RJ was that desparate after the Nets went the other direction, why did the Spurs pay him so much?

[objective]

Better than 4/40?! If RJ was that desparate after the Nets went the other direction, why did the Spurs pay him so much?

Because they made a bad decision.

Because if a player has to run around cones for the coach to even be considered for a return (as Pop intimated if not outright said), then that player shouldn't be brought back.

Maybe they gave him their floor, maybe they didn't, but he went chasing after a better deal from NJ, didn't get it, and they were dumb enough to think that they had to bring him back, that they were up against the wall, that their only other options were rookie James Anderson or minimum free agents so they caved.

What they and so many others failed to realize . . . James Anderson and minimum salary players WERE better options.