Free Agency: Top 25 Richard Jefferson Replacements

[ernest787]

Kwai at sf. Rip at sg and manu off the bench

Probably better than RJ

Too bad it won't happen.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Rip Hamilton is getting released. Someone convince me he can be shoehorned into the starting small forward spot.

Perhaps pick him up and settle in camp and pre-season who's more fit at the SF between him and Anderson?

[MaNu4Tres]

Rip Hamilton is getting released. Someone convince me he can be shoehorned into the starting small forward spot.

Rather bring back Sam Mack tbh...

[Spurs Brazil]

Mavericks Close To Deal With Vince Carter
Dec 09, 2011 8:34 PM EST

The Mavericks are closing in on a deal to sign Vince Carter, according to sources.

Carter was waived by the Suns on Friday.
Via Marc Stein/ESPN (via Twitter)

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/news#ixzz1g5oFtJk0

[timvp]

There was some good Nuggets news late Thursday. A source from around the league said Denver is making a strong push for forward Luc Mbah a Moute, a restricted free agent who played with Milwaukee last season. The 25-year-old Mbah a Moute (pronounced bah ah moo-tay) averaged 6.7 points per game and 5.3 rebounds, while showcasing a defensive dedication that would fit well with Denver coach George Karl's philosophy.

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_19502515

Not good news. The Nuggets can easily outbid the Spurs if it came down to that.

[slick'81]

what has been good news for sa so far this offseason lol

[objective]

Rip Hamilton is getting released. Someone convince me he can be shoehorned into the starting small forward spot.

didn't the Spurs play Hill and Neal at SF against Memphis after finally benching RJ?

Rip's taller than those guys at least.

[8FOR!3]

I have a feeling Josh Howard's going to be our starting SF next year...=(

[Dex]

JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald
It's probably obvious by now, but Spurs apparently aren't interested in pursuing Vince Carter.
1 hour ago

[DMC]

Maybe all this compressed activity is good for the league. After dead air, there's something new every minute of the day, and players are getting wake up calls that their asses are expendable.

Should make for an interesting season.

[spurspokesman]

Prince got a nice contract but I'm surprised he wants to play on a loser team.

Thats easy DP. He already has hardware. So just make the green from here on out. he main Ms. MONEY and MEMORIES. He has his memories. Now go pile up cash and if another contender comes knocking down the line great. Just my 0.02

[spurspokesman]

Maybe all this compressed activity is good for the league. After dead air, there's something new every minute of the day, and players are getting wake up calls that their asses are expendable.

Should make for an interesting season.

This.

[analyzed]

As bad as RJ has been for us, I don't think J. Howard would be any better (I'm assuming he's the prospective replacement the Spurs are waiting for to sign).

Especially with the shorten season. RJ should still have the corporate Knowledge advantage over J. Howard.

If it came down to choosing between the 2, I'd still go with RJ and save the amensty for next summer or try to trade RJ .

[benefactor]

This fucking blows. Fuck you RJ for ever existing. Fuck you RC for extending this faggot. Please do the right thing now and amnesty this worthless piece of shit so we can move on.

[Mel_13]

This fucking blows. Fuck you RJ for ever existing. Fuck you RC for extending this faggot. Please do the right thing now and amnesty this worthless piece of shit so we can move on.

You've gotta stop holding back Ben, tell us what you really feel...

[spursince#99]

I Fucking hate the stupid ass front office of this team

[rascal]

This fucking blows. Fuck you RJ for ever existing. Fuck you RC for extending this faggot. Please do the right thing now and amnesty this worthless piece of shit so we can move on.

Agree. They need to cut the dead weight on the team and RJ is a start, Bonner soon to follow.

[DPG21920]

:lol No need to meltdown. It has been a really terrible start to free agency, but keep in mind it doesn't mean the Spurs aren't trying. It's hard to get deals done. Nothing is guaranteed, so I'm sure the Spurs have tried but sometimes deals fall through. We all knew they would be in a tough spot with this roster when they committed to RJ and this core, so it's not at all surprising; but it's disappointing. Good news is there is always time to decide on what's best and worst case scenario we are looking at cap space next year & what I believe to be a better overall team this year with the additions of Kawhi, a healthy James Anderson, a hopefully robust infusion of minutes for Tiago and then adding TJ Ford as a back up guard.

[rascal]

You forgot to add Jefferson's photo to that list.

[ChumpDumper]

spurfan is funny.

[Bruno]

With RJ still here and with a lot of these players gone, a question raises: At what point of this list would you rather have RJ than the FA listed as starting SF?

If you take aside AK47 who is likely not available for a MLE offer, I think RJ is better than the rest of the field.

[spursince#99]

:lol No need to meltdown. It has been a really terrible start to free agency, but keep in mind it doesn't mean the Spurs aren't trying. It's hard to get deals done. Nothing is guaranteed, so I'm sure the Spurs have tried but sometimes deals fall through. We all knew they would be in a tough spot with this roster when they committed to RJ and this core, so it's not at all surprising; but it's disappointing. Good news is there is always time to decide on what's best and worst case scenario we are looking at cap space next year & what I believe to be a better overall team this year with the additions of Kawhi, a healthy James Anderson, a hopefully robust infusion of minutes for Tiago and then adding TJ Ford as a back up guard.

Follow me back on Twitter @I_CanBe23

[Fireball]

With RJ still here and with a lot of these players gone, a question raises: At what point of this list would you rather have RJ than the FA listed as starting SF?

If you take aside AK47 who is likely not available for a MLE offer, I think RJ is better than the rest of the field.

It has already reached the point where I think it is best to keep RJ if he cannot be traded (which would result in getting a big in return) in the next weeks. Then Leonard has to start at SF witch Green, Butler backing him up ...

[TDMVPDPOY]

why would ak47 leave russia if his earning more then MLE over there and on a long term contract

[Wombatzu]

Mbah a Moute to Denver. 4 years, $19m.

[tdunk21]

Mbah a Moute to Denver. 4 years, $19m.

source?

[Wombatzu]

source?

Denver Post

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_19516958

[benefactor]

You've gotta stop holding back Ben, tell us what you really feel...
Sorry for the meltdown. Came into work this morning and everything had gone to hell here. Started thinking about RJ still being on the team along with that and it just spilled over. I'm over it now...unless of course...he stays on the team.............

[DPG21920]

Looks like Denver offered Luc Moute a pretty nice contract.

[loveforthegame]

Mbah a Moute to Denver. 4 years, $19m.

Damn. Sweet move by the Nuggets. :depressed

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Mbah a Moute to Denver. 4 years, $19m.

:pctoss

[Spurs Brazil]

JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald
Howard is currently reviewing Utah's offer, expects more in days (hours?) to come.

Jeff McDonald
JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald
Confirmed Utah has indeed made a firm offer for Josh Howard. Also confirmed the Spurs, as of now, have not.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh holy crap we really are going to hold onto RJ aren't we

[ElNono]

With RJ still here and with a lot of these players gone, a question raises: At what point of this list would you rather have RJ than the FA listed as starting SF?

If you take aside AK47 who is likely not available for a MLE offer, I think RJ is better than the rest of the field.

"better than the rest of the field" doesn't tell me much when coach has to sit his ass on an elimination game because he fucking blows and we don't have anybody else to trot out there.

Plus the stark reality is that teams are overpaying right now. Not sure Holt will be able to unload that contract until it's expiring if he doesn't do it now (as a side note: still don't understand why they handed him a player option on his last year).

[DPG21920]

Spurs = F:lolcked

[Mr Bones]

At this point, I'd rather they experiment with Manu at the SF spot and spent more energy getting a strong defensive PF or C. I can't get too excited about adding an often injured knucklehead like Josh Howard to the mix.

[TXstbobcat]

It looks like the spurs are going to roll with Jefferson for one more year and use the amnesty clause on him next year.

Maybe the spurs can still sign a center like Pryzbilla to back up Splitter for this season.

[timvp]

Mbah a moute got a good deal. Sucks for the Spurs but they couldn't compete with that money.

[timvp]

J Ho or RJ? Shiiiiiiiiiii :(

[DPG21920]

Stand pat spurs.

[DesignatedT]

Gotta make a trade.

[timvp]

Looks like the Bulls are about to waive Bogans. Don't even think about it, Pop :shootme

[analyzed]

Mbah a Moute to Denver. 4 years, $19m.

Does this open up the possibility of getting Wilson Chandler currently in China? I mean why would you get 2 simmilar players Wilson and Moute

[ElNono]

Does this open up the possibility of getting Wilson Chandler currently in China?

He won't be available until March... do you want to put all your eggs in that basket?

[analyzed]

Seriously if RJ can play like anything he did at the start of last years regular season, I don't mind keeping him for the regular season (he is most capable with his corp knowledge etc). What I don't want happening is him playing in the playoffs. So yeah having RJ as a temporary staff doing rank and file regular stuff is sensible. just don't let him handle the big stuff. (move him by then) March 16 trade deadline, if not next summer with amensty

[tuncaboylu]

Since all the free-agent swingmen better than RJ found their teams. We should keep RJ and sign with Pryzbilla or someone like him) for veteran minimum or mini MLE.

We can search the trade options during the season.

[yavozerb]

Since all the free-agent swingmen better than RJ found their teams. We should keep RJ and sign with Pryzbilla or someone like him) for veteran minimum or mini MLE.

We can search the trade options during the season.

I prefer Foster over Pryzbella if possible..

[benefactor]

I prefer Foster over Pryzbella if possible..
Foster re-signed with Indiana.

[DPG21920]

Spurstalk posters right now, if only Jaffies could create a video out of this to post every free agency period:

YersIyzsOpc

[underdawg]

Foster re-signed with Indiana.

what about McRoberts and/or would the Spurs be able to use Shawne Williams?

[Buddy Holly]

Looks like Hill may be back in play.

[Fireball]

Looks like Hill may be back in play.

Why is that? Source?

[Buddy Holly]

Why is that? Source?

The Pietrus to Toronto trade is off. He failed his physical. The trade freed up extra cash for the Hill deal.

[Fireball]

The Pietrus to Toronto trade is off. He failed his physical. The trade freed up extra cash for the Hill deal.

So there is hope again ...

[bigdog]

At this point if it's between RJ and Josh Howard, I'd take RJ over him any day. No point in getting rid of RJt his year anymore, unless its at the trade deadline. Just keep him and get a big man through sign and trade, trade, or a diamond in the rough free agent, if he exists.

[benefactor]

Just get rid of him. It's addition by subtraction even if no one signs with the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

Awkward season if he stays.

[DesignatedT]

Bad feeling about this.

[Mr Bones]

I remember a thread or post a year ago or so ago suggesting a straight up trade of Blair for Mbah a Moute and almost everyone said it was a terrible idea... still feel the same way?

[slick'81]

At this point if it's between RJ and Josh Howard, I'd take RJ over him any day. No point in getting rid of RJt his year anymore, unless its at the trade deadline. Just keep him and get a big man through sign and trade, trade, or a diamond in the rough free agent, if he exists.


sadly im starting to feel this way id prefer no rj but undecided if id rather have jho

[Obstructed_View]

"better than the rest of the field" doesn't tell me much when coach has to sit his ass on an elimination game because he fucking blows and we don't have anybody else to trot out there.

Plus the stark reality is that teams are overpaying right now. Not sure Holt will be able to unload that contract until it's expiring if he doesn't do it now (as a side note: still don't understand why they handed him a player option on his last year).

Parker and Hill and Dice and Bonner and Blair were all equally shit in the playoffs.

Here's the bottom line: If RJ is still starting/playing big minutes ahead of Cowhigh by the playoffs, it's time to declare the window officially shut.

[ElNono]

Parker and Hill and Dice and Bonner and Blair were all equally shit in the playoffs.

At least Tony showed up after the first two games.


Here's the bottom line: If RJ is still starting/playing big minutes ahead of Cowhigh by the playoffs, it's time to declare the window officially shut.

Don't know if they'll be able to add anybody, but the window is shut as it is right now.

[therealtruth]

At least Tony showed up after the first two games.



Don't know if they'll be able to add anybody, but the window is shut as it is right now.

And Jefferson showed up for the first two games. Incidentally when Tony started "showing" up Jefferson started fading. Tony's aggressiveness tends to hurt RJ since he's not a pure point. Also he was aggressive but not necessarily efficient. That combination was part of the problem.

[underdawg]

I will not be ignored :toast but what's wrong with Shawne Williams and McRoberts?

I know these are highlights, but not many players on the Spurs (role players) have better highlights than these 2. Both are unrestricted, affordable and fill some of the needs the Spurs have:

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[Obstructed_View]

At least Tony showed up after the first two games.


Must have missed that.

[Nathan89]

I will not be ignored :toast but what's wrong with Shawne Williams



I know nothing about the guy but...

1. 6'7".25 without shoes
2. He shot 40% 3pt last year
3. Has very good lane agility

Knicks only offered him 980,000 but the Nets are reported to be interested in him.

From watching some of the video I saw him get under a the skin of a couple of people. Big plus. He just can't retaliate like he did.

I would think the Spurs would be interested in this guy with limited options but I haven't heard anything.

[ElNono]

McRoberts can't shoot the three...

[Steve-O-Matic]

I know nothing about the guy but...

1. 6'7".25 without shoes
2. He shot 40% 3pt last year
3. Has very good lane agility

Knicks only offered him 980,000 but the Nets are reported to be interested in him.

From watching some of the video I saw him get under a the skin of a couple of people. Big plus. He just can't retaliate like he did.

I would think the Spurs would be interested in this guy with limited options but I haven't heard anything.

You forgot...

4. Is a complete knucklehead who has multiple drug arrests/convictions.

[SenorSpur]

McRoberts can't shoot the three...

Something Pop now demands out of all his bigs.

[objective]

McRoberts didn't take a whole lot (60 in 72 games), but he did hit at 38%.

[venitian navigator]

looking at the "replacement" list I didn't notice the name of Shawne Williams...
That looks weird to me.
He's a sf.
Can shoot from the outside and also from the three point line.
Last year, has also been a more than decent defender.
He's athletic and young like rj (also if not as strong builded as RJ is).
His price is not at as high...and looks to be certainly in our range (2/3 milliois a year).

OK, I know he had a bad reputation, but looks however like a more than decent fit (in case NY doesn't sign him).

[mountainballer]

McRoberts is reportedly going to Grzzlies or Lakers. (the latter makes even more sense, now that Odom is gone)

Shawne Williams would be another Sjax try. why not, if he signs for small money. (but why should he, when he can stay in NY for the same kind of money).

[Nathan89]

You forgot...

4. Is a complete knucklehead who has multiple drug arrests/convictions.

"A lot of stuff I did three years ago, I won't do right now," Williams said last month. "You get older and grow up. That's life. I had a lot of problems when I first got into the NBA, but I was young. I feel like I haven't gotten into any trouble not to be on the court. I'm finally not getting into trouble, and I'm not on the court. That's mind-boggling."


The power of the spurs culture/personnel/location can do great things to a trouble young man's career. The only reason I would hesitate is having a potential negative influence on Kawhi or Blair. People change as they mature. So who knows the person he is today.

That being said, the Spurs need to make moves. Their moves have to involve risk. It may be and unknown player from euroleague(pargo), an injured player(tmac), a fatty(curry), or a druggy(Shawne). They haven't took any risk yet. I was ok with first three and I am ok with this guy. At the very least Spurs should have conversations with him to factor into the decision.

I just can't turn my back on a guy with...

1. 6'7".25 without shoes
2. 7'3"wingspan
3. 40% 3pt
4. 83% ft
5. Very good lane agility

[TDMVPDPOY]

we need bigs man for the 5 position

not another wing player or undersized big

most of the bigs are gettin signed while we sit on our asses, either they are trying to sit it out and wait when everyone is settled with their rosters and amnesty anyone so we can dipped into that basket of players to pry from....

[timvp]

looking at the "replacement" list I didn't notice the name of Shawne Williams...
That looks weird to me.
He's a sf.

He's a PF. He played more center than small forward last season.

Add the character red flags to the fact he's never successfully played SF and it'd be a pretty dumb signing for the Spurs. Maybe as a Bonner replacement but there's not a fit as a RJ replacement.

[8FOR!3]

He's a PF. He played more center than small forward last season.

Add the character red flags to the fact he's never successfully played SF and it'd be a pretty dumb signing for the Spurs. Maybe as a Bonner replacement but there's not a fit as a RJ replacement.

Center? You sure you're not thinking Shelden Williams? Shawne IS a tweener though.

[ChuckD]

He's a PF. He played more center than small forward last season.

Add the character red flags to the fact he's never successfully played SF and it'd be a pretty dumb signing for the Spurs. Maybe as a Bonner replacement but there's not a fit as a RJ replacement.

Wasn't he suspended while in IND for threatening to kill Bonner after a game?

[waiting for the inevitable "but that's a plus" reply...]

[timvp]

Center? You sure you're not thinking Shelden Williams?

Yeah. D'Antoni used small ball lineups with Williams at center. I rarely ever saw him defend small forwards.

And 82games.com backs up what I saw:

http://www.82games.com/1011/10NYK15.HTM

Played mostly at PF, some at C and even less at SF.

[ChuckD]

As recently as 11 months ago, Shawne was suspended for throwing a punch in a game. Pass.

[Seventyniner]

Yeah. D'Antoni used small ball lineups with Williams at center. I rarely ever saw him defend small forwards.

And 82games.com backs up what I saw:

http://www.82games.com/1011/10NYK15.HTM

Played mostly at PF, some at C and even less at SF.

Isn't PF the position we need help at? Not that this guy is the right one for it, IMO, but I don't think C is the pressing need.

[timvp]

Isn't PF the position we need help at?

Could very well be but I was responding to him being a RJ replacement.

[Seventyniner]

Could very well be but I was responding to him being a RJ replacement.

Fair enough. It sounds like he's not really good enough to play either forward position. Maybe a smallball 4? :depressed

[Obstructed_View]

I wouldn't personally have a problem with bringing in a power forward to be RJ's replacement. RJ spent far too much time at the 4 and the 5 for me anyway.

[underdawg]

He's a PF. He played more center than small forward last season.

Add the character red flags to the fact he's never successfully played SF and it'd be a pretty dumb signing for the Spurs. Maybe as a Bonner replacement but there's not a fit as a RJ replacement.

in your opinion, why wasn't he successful as a SF?

As far as the character issues, are they really that bad? I don't think the Spurs have the luxury of being too picky anymore.

[mountainballer]

if the discussed trade of Mayo to the Pacers happens, the Spurs should quickly inquire about Brandon Rush. he will be the odd man out in Indiana. he can play SF, in fact that's the position he would be a better fit. (with Granger and Dunleavy there were no SF minutes available for Rush)

[therealtruth]

we need bigs man for the 5 position

not another wing player or undersized big

most of the bigs are gettin signed while we sit on our asses, either they are trying to sit it out and wait when everyone is settled with their rosters and amnesty anyone so we can dipped into that basket of players to pry from....

I agree we need a real big that can defend 4's and 5's to improve the defense and give greater versatility.

[Wombatzu]

Reggie Williams is now an unrestricted free agent.

https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS/status/146000429900242944

[timvp]

Reggie Williams is now an unrestricted free agent.

https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS/status/146000429900242944

Good news even though Reggie Williams wouldn't fit a pressing need. I guess we'll find out quickly if the Spurs actually have interest in him.

[TD 21]

The only way he makes sense is if Anderson or Neal is put into a trade for either a big or a three, neither of which I see happening. Short of that, I'm not sure why they'd have interest in a sub 6-5 SG, who lacks the strength to play full time SF and who's never been accused of playing defense.

Why we're not hearing of them being interested in Parker and even Stevenson, I have no idea. Yes, they're really SG's, but Parker is one inch smaller and the same weight as Howard. Only unlike Howard, he's durable, is an excellent three-point shooter, a solid defender and Spurs material. It would be a stretch to play Stevenson full time at SF, but he's strong, tough, solid defensively and from three. If they can pull off a trade for a quality starting big and have to go cheap at SF, so be it.

[DPG21920]

Don't need Reggie, James Anderson seems to be better.

[benefactor]

Don't need Reggie, James Anderson seems to be better.
First thing that comes to mind for me too when someone mentions Reggie Williams.

[timvp]

The Spurs hope Anderson is a better Williams. But it's a little premature to say he "seems to be better".





WTF ever happened to Kelenna Azubuike? Did he never recover from the knee injury?

[ElNono]

WTF ever happened to Kelenna Azubuike? Did he never recover from the knee injury?

this. If we're gonna play Warriors ball, why not get all the pieces?

[Mel_13]

The Spurs hope Anderson is a better Williams. But it's a little premature to say he "seems to be better".





WTF ever happened to Kelenna Azubuike? Did he never recover from the knee injury?

Hasn't played in the NBA since Nov, 2009. There were stories last season that he was going to try to get back on the court, but he didn't make it.

[therealtruth]

I think Reggie Williams can play 1-3 which gives Pop more options in using him. Whether he's better than Anderson it's probably too soon to say.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs hope Anderson is a better Williams. But it's a little premature to say he "seems to be better".

I guess. But it's not like Reggie is some sick player. What I saw from James when healthy on both ends showed me he was a better all around player. Whether that turns into an actual impact is one thing, but it's not like Reggie has an impact.

[MaNu4Tres]

Good news even though Reggie Williams wouldn't fit a pressing need. I guess we'll find out quickly if the Spurs actually have interest in him.

Don't understand how that is good news, unless you think this team needs to have a chance at another undersized (6'4"), horrible defender at the 3. Best he will do is shoot 40% from 3, minute-block the best young prospects on this team (Leonard/Anderson), all while getting abused and bullied on the defensive end (Roger Mason experience all over again).

I hope to god Spurs aren't interested in this non-defensive, undersized, chucker.

I wish he was still restricted, so there's a guarantee we won't sign him.

[benefactor]

I don't give a shit about any of this right now tbh.

The Texans are in the playoffs bitches!

[underdawg]

if the discussed trade of Mayo to the Pacers happens, the Spurs should quickly inquire about Brandon Rush. he will be the odd man out in Indiana. he can play SF, in fact that's the position he would be a better fit. (with Granger and Dunleavy there were no SF minutes available for Rush)

MikeWellsNBA (http://twitter.com/#!/MikeWellsNBA) Mike Wells
by daldridgetnt
Another element in the Pacers pursuit of OJ Mayo is that they also want to send Brandon Rush to Memphis w McRoberts, according to a source.

[jeebus]

Marc J. Spears
Wiz FA F Josh Howard now as an offer in hand from Spurs, rep says. Utah made offer & will meet with him this week. Wiz also still in mix.

meh....

[Pistons < Spurs]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The Pacers have decided amnesty James Posey and his $6.9M contract, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[Spurs Brazil]

Cavaliers Re-Sign Anthony Parker
Dec 12, 2011 11:09 AM EST

The Cleveland Cavaliers have signed guard/forward Anthony Parker to a contract, General Manager Chris Grant announced. Per league and team policy, terms of the contract were not announced.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/news#ixzz1gLr84JVE

[timvp]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Free agent forward Reggie Williams still talking to several teams, including Charlotte, Detroit, Sacramento, Denver, Toronto, sources say.

So if the Spurs aren't considering Reggie Williams, that means top three SFs still on the list are Josh Howard, Al Thornton and Peja Stojakovic. :lol :lol :cry

[Mel_13]

Just get it over with and sign Mo Evans for minimum. That's where this story ends anyway.

[Mel_13]

Mickael Gelabale, with offers from the NBA and Spain, signed in Russia with Khimki Moscow

http://twitter.com/SportandoBasket

[rascal]

Hill is old, but remember that he missed several years, due to injuries, so he doesn't have alot of wear and tear, usually associated with players his age. Hill would be a great bridge to Leonard.

The injuries have a way of adding wear and tear.

[Mugen]

just let Kawahi start. With heavy minutse, I can see him being just as good or better than the crap that's still left out there.

crunch time lineup is prob going to be TP/Manu/Neal/Bonner/TD anyways. Don't think there's a FA out there that can change that.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mickael Gelabale, with offers from the NBA and Spain, signed in Russia with Khimki Moscow

http://twitter.com/SportandoBasket

I prefer Gelabale than any other SF F.A left not named Howard tbh..

[Scrub]

Sup guys...signed that guy Boki Nachbar yet? :lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

At this point I don't care who we sign, as long as the majority of the minutes in that rotation spot go to Leonard.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald
Tony Parker calls James Anderson the surprise of training camp so far. He's expecting big things.
Not really news, but I've always been an advocate of giving Anderson a big rotation spot. Hopefully he'll keep on surprising.

[Ginobilly]

I agree with everybody who said to just let Leonard start. Howard, Peja, or williams left to replace RJ?? No thanks!

1.Parker
2.Manu
3.Leonard
4.Duncan
5.Tiago

Forget about scoring 110 points and winning with style. Get used to a lot of 82-85, low-scoring classical boring Spurs basketball,(1999-2007) because this lineup can't spread the floor for shit but will be able to defend with the best of them if Pop plays his cards right.

[DPG21920]

JA was nothing short of excellent last year before he went down. It was a big loss for the Spurs and that's saying a lot considering he's a young guy.

[timtonymanu]

Great to hear about Anderson.

Been hearing nothing but great things about him all offseason. He was playing great ball before he got hurt. If he has improved since, that has to be very encouraging news.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Why are we chasing morons like J-Ho when we could go with Anderson/Leonard/Green at SF and let them grow into their roles?

Pop's obsession with vets shits me to tears.

[SenorSpur]

Spurs look like pussies waiting on J-Ho to string them along. Move the fuck on already and go get someone else.

[ChumpDumper]

Who's left?

[Mel_13]

Amnesty RJ.

Stick the MLE in your pocket.

Sign Mo Evans for the vet min.

Play the kids.

Let everyone else use their cap space and exceptions.

Throw the full MLE at Wilson Chandler when he comes back from China in March.

[DPG21920]

Amnesty RJ.

Stick the MLE in your pocket.

Sign Mo Evans for the vet min.

Play the kids.

Let everyone else use their cap space and exceptions.

Throw the full MLE at Wilson Chandler when he comes back from China in March.

Sounds good to me. I think the Spurs will be better off even if they don't get a guy like Wilson than last year with a quality back up PG added along with better defensive players at SF with more of a motor. That doesn't mean they are contenders, but they will be a better team IMVHO.

[timvp]

^George Hill says Hi.

[DPG21920]

What about Hill?

[Brazil]

Amnesty RJ.

Stick the MLE in your pocket.

Sign Mo Evans for the vet min.

Play the kids.

Let everyone else use their cap space and exceptions.

Throw the full MLE at Wilson Chandler when he comes back from China in March.

sounds like a plan ! :toast

[Spurs Brazil]

Amnesty RJ.

Stick the MLE in your pocket.

Sign Mo Evans for the vet min.

Play the kids.

Let everyone else use their cap space and exceptions.

Throw the full MLE at Wilson Chandler when he comes back from China in March.

Agree.

[benefactor]

Amnesty RJ.

Stick the MLE in your pocket.

Sign Mo Evans for the vet min.

Play the kids.

Let everyone else use their cap space and exceptions.

Throw the full MLE at Wilson Chandler when he comes back from China in March.
Mel...with the offseason finishing touch goods.

[Spurs Brazil]

JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald
I could envision a scenario where RJ (or some other vet) begins season as starting SF, to be supplanted by Leonard or Anderson later.

JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald
I think the larger point is, Pop says he's going in with an open mind. If Leonard deserves a spot, he will -- even if he's just 20.

[ElNono]

Amnesty RJ.

Stick the MLE in your pocket.

Sign Mo Evans for the vet min.

Play the kids.

Let everyone else use their cap space and exceptions.

Throw the full MLE at Wilson Chandler when he comes back from China in March.

We need a big, goddammit... don't do this to me... not you, Mel :cry

[Mel_13]

We need a big, goddammit... don't do this to me... not you, Mel :cry

I don't see a useful big we can get for the MLE. If that problem is to be addressed this season, it will have to be via a trade.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Amnesty RJ.

Stick the MLE in your pocket.

Sign Mo Evans for the vet min.

Play the kids.

Let everyone else use their cap space and exceptions.

Throw the full MLE at Wilson Chandler when he comes back from China in March.

Yup. I've been saying the bit about playing the kids since before FA period started, yet no-one agreed with me... now everyone agrees with you! :lol

Like the idea of Chandler, and Mo is a nice vet. What are we going to do about landing another big tho?

[Obstructed_View]

Yup. I've been saying the bit about playing the kids since before FA period started, yet no-one agreed with me... now everyone agrees with you! :lol

Like the idea of Chandler, and Mo is a nice vet. What are we going to do about landing another big tho?

Who didn't agree with you? I've mentioned it as long as I've been back and there's lots of agreement every time I do.

Far as a big, no clue. Probably going to be a training camp cut that the Spurs can pick up. Clearly the Spurs don't have the effin' stones to amnesty RJ like they should.

[timvp]

Without signing a wing, I doubt the Spurs amnesty RJ. That's the main reason I hope J-Ho happens. RJ needs to be amnestied and J-Ho would be a cheap way to make him go away. Plus J-Ho, even at his best, is a situational player ... which would allow for roles for the young guns.

[SenorSpur]

I think RJ's on-court cowardness will allow for roles for the young guys.

[SenorSpur]

Who's left?

There's really no one left. We should just move on.

[benefactor]

I think the larger point is, Pop says he's going in with an open mind. If Leonard deserves a spot, he will -- even if he's just 20.
*clears throat*

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I'll believe it when I see it.

[timvp]

I think RJ's on-court cowardness will allow for roles for the young guys.

Last time RJ's on-court cowardness got him a $40 million contract.

[SenorSpur]

Last time RJ's on-court cowardness got him a $40 million contract.

If it were any other team, besides the Spurs, that would be a funny factoid. It's actually a very sad.

[Zarko's Ghost]

NBA TV crawl says Rip Hamilton was waived by Pistons.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

NBA TV crawl says Rip Hamilton was waived by Pistons.

He's going to Chicago.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Who didn't agree with you? I've mentioned it as long as I've been back and there's lots of agreement every time I do.

Far as a big, no clue. Probably going to be a training camp cut that the Spurs can pick up. Clearly the Spurs don't have the effin' stones to amnesty RJ like they should.

Seems like a lot of people wanted a veteran SF, although no-one specifically disagreed with me. GLad we're on the same page! ;)


Without signing a wing, I doubt the Spurs amnesty RJ. That's the main reason I hope J-Ho happens. RJ needs to be amnestied and J-Ho would be a cheap way to make him go away. Plus J-Ho, even at his best, is a situational player ... which would allow for roles for the young guns.

Ah-ha! Was wondering why you were so committed to it.

You're probably right that Pop won't allow them to amnesty RJ without a vet around (which is utterly ridiculous, but there you go, that's Pop on vets vs youth). I still respect Pop as a coach, except for his stubborness when it comes to youth.

They absolutely should amnesty RJ and play the youth. Why can we see it when they can't?

PS Any of you guys wanna play my h2h league, the Bruce Bowen? Go sign up if so!

[lmbebo]

why not trade RJ and Mcdyess to utah for Al Jefferson??

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=868mbur

Sorry if mentioned before....

Also, espy has tj ford listed at a salary of 8.5 million??? was thinking more of 850k


"there's a chance the team's true ideas could be to start Okur at center with Al Jefferson at power forward and Paul Millsap at small forward. The team is currently rumored to be exploring trades for Millsap and Jefferson, so there could be plenty of minutes for Okur this season. It's a situation that demands attention."


listed in Okur's bio page on espn, http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1014/mehmet-okur, under spin.

[ElNono]

I don't see a useful big we can get for the MLE. If that problem is to be addressed this season, it will have to be via a trade.

Well, then, get it done!

[Ice009]

I don't see a useful big we can get for the MLE. If that problem is to be addressed this season, it will have to be via a trade.

I'm still interested in Al Jefferson. Any chance Utah would take RJ and filler?

I know he's not the defensive big we need, but the trade off for his scoring ability in the post would be worth it. It'd be hard to double team Tim and Al, as that would give our guards plenty of room to run wild.

[Sean Cagney]

I'm still interested in Al Jefferson. Any chance Utah would take RJ and filler?

I know he's not the defensive big we need, but the trade off for his scoring ability in the post would be worth it. It'd be hard to double team Tim and Al, as that would give our guards plenty of room to run wild.

Some idiot on another Spurs board told me last year I had a knee jerk reaction when I said Jefferson over Bonner:lmao:lmao:lmao, thats how stupid some are man lol. I agree fully with you there.

[objective]

Utah might move Al Jefferson one of these days, but I see no way in hell they'd do it just to pay RJ 10 million a year for 3 years unless Kevin O'Connor contracted mad cow disease.

[Obstructed_View]

There was one team stupid enough to trade for RJ's contract, and they were so blitheringly idiotic that they turned around and paid him even more money. If any team is so stupid to trade for his NEW contract 3 years later should be contracted.

[Ice009]

Utah might move Al Jefferson one of these days, but I see no way in hell they'd do it just to pay RJ 10 million a year for 3 years unless Kevin O'Connor contracted mad cow disease.

Who is Utah's starting SF right now? Hopefully Kirilenko doesn't come back and they strike out on Josh Howard, then get desperate and take RJ off our hands ;). LOL why do you have to suck so bad RJ.

[Sean Cagney]

There was one team stupid enough to trade for RJ's contract, and they were so blitheringly idiotic that they turned around and paid him even more money. If any team is so stupid to trade for his NEW contract 3 years later should be contracted.

Spurs should have let that expire and let him be, but noooooooooooo they resigned him longer and resigned BONNNER LONGGERRRR! Who sees talent in bums here to sign them longer term? SPURS FO got alot of credit I know and were praised, but the moves past Tims prime, Manus prime and so on prove they were the basis! Spurs used to make key little moves and keep a team afloat around HOF players, since they faded out some MY GOD they HAVE BEEN GOD F IN AWFUL.

[objective]

Who is Utah's starting SF right now? Hopefully Kirilenko doesn't come back and they strike out on Josh Howard, then get desperate and take RJ off our hands ;). LOL why do you have to suck so bad RJ.

If they want AK back (and if he wants to return to the NBA) they can probably get him at most at the same price point RJ is at if not cheaper, and he's a lot better than RJ. RJ is just bad. :lol

Right now who they start is a toss-up, but I could have missed any announcements that have come since camp opened. Could be Hayward with Burks at the SG. Could be CJ Miles starting at SF with Raja Bell's remains starting at the two.

[Ice009]

If they want AK back (and if he wants to return to the NBA) they can probably get him at most at the same price point RJ is at if not cheaper, and he's a lot better than RJ. RJ is just bad. :lol

Right now who they start is a toss-up, but I could have missed any announcements that have come since camp opened. Could be Hayward with Burks at the SG. Could be CJ Miles starting at SF with Raja Bell's remains starting at the two.

lol those options are all better than RJ.

[timvp]

Looks like DeShawn Stevenson may be had for the minimum. If that's true, he wouldn't be a bad signing ... better than Mo Evans, for one.

He's like a homeless man's Stephen Jackson but not quite a crazy. He played pretty good defense on Kobe, Durant and LeBron last year in the playoffs and only shoots threes on offense, so there's a fit. Small for a SF, injury prone, streaky shooter, etc ... but for less than $2M it wouldn't be a bad thing.

[mexicanjunior]

Looks like DeShawn Stevenson may be had for the minimum. If that's true, he wouldn't be a bad signing ... better than Mo Evans, for one.

He's like a homeless man's Stephen Jackson but not quite a crazy. He played pretty good defense on Kobe, Durant and LeBron last year in the playoffs and only shoots threes on offense, so there's a fit. Small for a SF, injury prone, streaky shooter, etc ... but for less than $2M it wouldn't be a bad thing.

I would be ok with that move, as long as Leonard/Anderson still get the majority of the minutes to develop.

[Mel_13]

Looks like DeShawn Stevenson may be had for the minimum. If that's true, he wouldn't be a bad signing ... better than Mo Evans, for one.

He's like a homeless man's Stephen Jackson but not quite a crazy. He played pretty good defense on Kobe, Durant and LeBron last year in the playoffs and only shoots threes on offense, so there's a fit. Small for a SF, injury prone, streaky shooter, etc ... but for less than $2M it wouldn't be a bad thing.

His agent is claiming multiple offers, so Dallas is probably the only team that gets him for the minimum. LLE with the second year as a player option might be enough.

[SenorSpur]

His agent is claiming multiple offers, so Dallas is probably the only team that gets him for the minimum. LLE with the second year as a player option might be enough.

I doubt Dallas would be a destination for Stevenson. Dallas is already stacked at the 2-guard spot. As it stands, they don't have room for him.

[Fireball]

Stevenson would be better than Josh Howard ... I just can't stand that guy

[Mel_13]

Jamal Crawford has reached out to current Kings players to get a feel for what it's like in Sacramento and if he is to go with the Kings, a source has told CSNNW.com that the Kings will use the amnesty on Francisco Garcia to clear up room.

http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingblazers?Source-Blazers-promised-Crawford-startin=1&blockID=611954&feedID=5212

[DPG21920]

Love Fran's game, he's had some health problems though. Can't imagine him clearing waivers though.

[8FOR!3]

I would like to see us sign Stevenson. It'd be better than seeing a team like the Grizzlies get him. He brings a tough mentality.

[timvp]

Adrian Wojnarowski
Reggie Williams has agreed to a two-year deal, $5 million deal with Charlotte, a league source tells Y! Sports.

Welp, top ten gone.

That's a good contract for the Bobcats. They could use another scorer.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Welp, top ten gone.

That's a good contract for the Bobcats. They could use another scorer.

fml You gotta be fucking shitting me. Is this team trying to alienate its entire fanbase? At least throw us a bone

[timvp]

The Spurs love to sign players who do well against them (Stephen Jackson, Francisco Elson, Speedy Claxton, etc, etc) so perhaps Al Thornton could enter the picture. He has zero basketball IQ but he'd be the ultimate small forward project. If the light turns on, he'd be a pretty damn good bargain ... considering that he could very well cost LLE money or less.

Then again, there's a reason why he's getting no love on the FA market.

[SenorSpur]

Now that Nene is back in the Nuggets fold, I wonder how long it will take for Samuel Dalembert to find a home? Or has he already?

[blkroadrunners]

I have a feeling if the Spurs do sign a SF, it'll be Mo Evans hate to say.

[Spurs Brazil]

Now that Nene is back in the Nuggets fold, I wonder how long it will take for Samuel Dalembert to find a home? Or has he already?

That's what I want; put the kids to play SF and sign Dalembert

Too bad the chance is very small :depressed

[Tuddy]

We are getting Donkey. All teams that have shown interest don't have room for rotation minutes apart from us:

Portland - batum & babbit
Utah - hayward, miles, evans
NJ - outlaw, damion james
Denver - gallinari, Chandler, brewer
Washington - singleton, nick young
Chicago - deng, rip, brewer, butler

Only other team that could is Jersey if they use amnesty on outlaw.

[Fabbs]

There was one team stupid enough to trade for RJ's contract, and they were so blitheringly idiotic that they turned around and paid him even more money. If any team is so stupid to trade for his NEW contract 3 years later should be contracted.
Yep.

**Corporate Knowledge** CIA Pop. :lmao

[Big P]

AK-47 would possibly take a 2 year full mle deal...he's talking to nj....I say..amnesty rj and offer Kirilenko a 2 or 3 year full mle deal.

[Mel_13]

AK-47 would possibly take a 2 year full mle deal...he's talking to nj....I say..amnesty rj and offer Kirilenko a 2 or 3 year full mle deal.

NJ can amnesty Outlaw and slot AK-47 into that 7M/yr slot and not affect their current space.

[GSH]

A friend e-mailed me earlier and said that the word is that the Spurs have been trying to shop Jefferson plus "a young player" to the Nets, with the intent of taking back much less salary from New Jersey. (I presume the Nets can take back 150% of the salary they send?) He was pretty confident in the rumor, and was wondering if I knew who the "young player" might be.

I haven't heard anything like this elsewhere. It's hard for me to believe that anyone would take Jefferson's contract. But could someone like Prokhorov do it, if he can't get the big name(s) he wants, and he likes the young player? Would the Spurs shop, say, Neal to get out from under RJ's contract? It makes me kind of queasy just thinking about it.

It does make me wonder about the Spurs announcing the amnesty of RJ, and then not following through. And if Prokhorov was looking at the average price for two players, and thinking that it was a fair price for each?

Somebody just tell me that this couldn't happen. The last time the Spurs gave up a player to get out from under a contract, it worked out so well for them.

[Bruno]

The deadline to amnesty RJ is tomorrow (Friday). I guess it will be at 2 pm ET since the NBA market has started at that hour. Spurs have 36hours remaining to use it or not on a player this year.

[jesterbobman]

Kris Humphries and Anthony Morrow are the only players who might be ideas. I doubt we'd take Travis Outlaw, as he made RJ look productive, and I doubt we'd take Farmar(PG position seems set.) RJ and Blair for Humphries at ~6 million a year could happen, moves a cheap rebounder and RJ for a more expensive rebounder.

As they're under the cap, they can make a trade up to the cap, They could just take RJ off of our hands, though they're not that dumb.

[scottspurs]

A friend e-mailed me earlier and said that the word is that the Spurs have been trying to shop Jefferson plus "a young player" to the Nets, with the intent of taking back much less salary from New Jersey. (I presume the Nets can take back 150% of the salary they send?) He was pretty confident in the rumor, and was wondering if I knew who the "young player" might be.

I haven't heard anything like this elsewhere. It's hard for me to believe that anyone would take Jefferson's contract. But could someone like Prokhorov do it, if he can't get the big name(s) he wants, and he likes the young player? Would the Spurs shop, say, Neal to get out from under RJ's contract? It makes me kind of queasy just thinking about it.

It does make me wonder about the Spurs announcing the amnesty of RJ, and then not following through. And if Prokhorov was looking at the average price for two players, and thinking that it was a fair price for each?

Somebody just tell me that this couldn't happen. The last time the Spurs gave up a player to get out from under a contract, it worked out so well for them.

I don't believe the rumor, but two players that come to mind are Blair and Joseph.

[Obstructed_View]

Betcha a dollar it's Splitter or Leonard.

[tdunk21]

A friend e-mailed me earlier and said that the word is that the Spurs have been trying to shop Jefferson plus "a young player" to the Nets, with the intent of taking back much less salary from New Jersey. (I presume the Nets can take back 150% of the salary they send?) He was pretty confident in the rumor, and was wondering if I knew who the "young player" might be.

I haven't heard anything like this elsewhere. It's hard for me to believe that anyone would take Jefferson's contract. But could someone like Prokhorov do it, if he can't get the big name(s) he wants, and he likes the young player? Would the Spurs shop, say, Neal to get out from under RJ's contract? It makes me kind of queasy just thinking about it.

It does make me wonder about the Spurs announcing the amnesty of RJ, and then not following through. And if Prokhorov was looking at the average price for two players, and thinking that it was a fair price for each?

Somebody just tell me that this couldn't happen. The last time the Spurs gave up a player to get out from under a contract, it worked out so well for them.

who would we try to trade for from the nets roster? u have any updates on this

[GSH]

who would we try to trade for from the nets roster? u have any updates on this

No update. Nobody else claims to have heard anything about it. Nada. Of course, a lot of what the Spurs eventually wind up doing seems to come out of nowhere. And a lot of things get discussed that never happen. So who knows? The problem is that after I thought about it, it sounded like something the Spurs (Holt) might actually do. I think the Spurs could send RJ and Neal - a total of about $10M, and take back as little as $6.7M in salaries from the Nets. Holt could get rid of the RJ contract, and shed another $3M+ in salary this year. All off a sudden, it didn't sound as far-fetched.

Prokhorov needs to fill a roster, and has to get up to the minimum salary. If he can't get someone big like Howard this year? I don't know how a billionaire thinks, but he could just look at it like $5M each for RJ and Neal, and think it isn't that bad of a deal. I don't know who the Nets could send. Outlaw? Petro and Farmar? Some three-way deal?

I wouldn't have even mentioned it here, if not for the fact that we've seen Holt give up a player to dump a contract. This time he could actually dump a chunk of salary, and move away from the Lux Tax line. I just have this image of 2-3 seasons worth of Gary Neal threads.:bang

[stxspurs]

Betcha a dollar it's Splitter or Leonard.

This is the future...I hope it isn't one of these players. Joseph/blair hopefully

[tdunk21]

Betcha a dollar it's Splitter or Leonard.

i am guessing its either neal or anderson coz the nets dont have a legit SG, they have morrow but i guess they want a sixth man

[8FOR!3]

If this is true, who else thinks this involves Shawne or Shelden (hopefully the latter) Williams? But hopefully we can make a go at Kris Humphries.

[lcroock]

RJ will be amnestied. The question is if it is this year or next year. The Spurs have a realistic shot at offering a max contract next year if Duncan is signed for a reasonable salary and RJ is gone. Without Tim the team payroll is $34.2M in 2012. If Tim signs for $10M and the cap is $58M then that leaves us with $14M to offer. Not sure what other big names are available next year (Dwight and Deron aint coming to SA) but I am sure we'll amnesty RJ to have at least have the cap space and bring in some talent.

[objective]

The deadline to amnesty RJ is tomorrow (Friday). I guess it will be at 2 pm ET since the NBA market has started at that hour. Spurs have 36hours remaining to use it or not on a player this year.

well, so far it looks like RJ is safe. 30 more minutes and he's home free to choke all over the Spurs and play like garbage for another year.

Shame on the Spurs. Shame on Pop. Shame on RC.

They had a chance to reclaim something of themselves, but they've screwed it up.

Welcome to "These playoffs not for him-Wouldn't be fair to the team-Needs to get over himself-No corporate knowledge-CITY" Kawhi . . . . Population : You (and Splitter).

EDIT - Yeah, I got the dates wrong. RJ is still garbage. Shame on Pop and RC for even having him at camp.

[benefactor]

well, so far it looks like RJ is safe. 30 more minutes and he's home free to choke all over the Spurs and play like garbage for another year.

Shame on the Spurs. Shame on Pop. Shame on RC.

They had a chance to reclaim something of themselves, but they've screwed it up.

Welcome to "These playoffs not for him-Wouldn't be fair to the team-Needs to get over himself-No corporate knowledge-CITY" Kawhi . . . . Population : You (and Splitter).
Deadline is not until tomorrow...but you are probably right regardless.

[Buddy Holly]

well, so far it looks like RJ is safe. 30 more minutes and he's home free to choke all over the Spurs and play like garbage for another year.

Shame on the Spurs. Shame on Pop. Shame on RC.

They had a chance to reclaim something of themselves, but they've screwed it up.

Welcome to "These playoffs not for him-Wouldn't be fair to the team-Needs to get over himself-No corporate knowledge-CITY" Kawhi . . . . Population : You (and Splitter).

Shame on such a fail post.

[objective]

lol, my mistake!

24 hours plus 30 minutes!

sorry bros!

:lol

[tdunk21]

Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN
After practice, Pop didn't quite come out and say RJ wouldn't be amnestied, but sure sounds like Spurs will keep him.

[Buddy Holly]

So then he'll be amnestied later tonight.

[objective]

fwiw about AK -

Jazz pbp David Locke is saying that he's heard AK's asking price for NBA teams is 4 years starting at 9 a year. Says he heard the closest he's heard a team coming to that is Sacramento supposedly offered a deal at 8 a year.

[DPG21920]

Mo Evan to the Wiz. Another one bites the dust-aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Summers]

I've only been popping in every couple days, so it's hard for me to follow the news, but AK was kind of an exciting prospect to think about it. He'd be a good fit.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I think we'd get outbid for AK. Most of Timvp's remaining available list results in exchanging average for less than average.

Not good. Let's hope Leonard can exceed rookie expectations.

[GSH]

lol, my mistake!

24 hours plus 30 minutes!

sorry bros!

:lol


Outlaw being waived probably means the RJ to New Jersey rumor was either fake, or the discussions never lead to anything. I don't see NJ doing a 2-for-2 trade, with so much roster space to fill. Probably was never anything to it, which is a good thing.

Time is about to run out on the amnesty possibility. Looks like RJ will be a Spur this season. We're gonna have so much corporate knowledge, they will be setting up Occupy Spurs outside the arena.

[objective]

the only positive spin I could see to the Outlaw amnesty is this:

Now New Jersey could use a small forward!

If the Spurs did amnesty RJ, they could be a great candidate for picking him up with a bid.

[GSH]

the only positive spin I could see to the Outlaw amnesty is this:

Now New Jersey could use a small forward!

If the Spurs did amnesty RJ, they could be a great candidate for picking him up with a bid.


Yeah... the problem is, the only thing that helps is Holt's pocketbook. I'd be happy for him, and all that, but it doesn't help the team's ability to sign players. :(

[objective]

it also helps in that it frees Kawhi and Anderson from not being fair to the team.

Once Neal is back behind Manu, and with Ford behind Parker, there just won't be enough minutes for Kawhi and JA to get them ready for the playoffs when Jefferson does his choking disaster routine.

[underdawg]

Yeah... the problem is, the only thing that helps is Holt's pocketbook. I'd be happy for him, and all that, but it doesn't help the team's ability to sign players. :(

Outlaw is taller than 6'7", so he automatically helps solve the big man problem for the Spurs (note: rule unknown to Spurs fan is that all Spurs players at least 6'7" and above are automatically considered bigs with the exception of some 6'6" players).

So, theoretically with the addition of Novak and possibly Outlaw, the Spurs would have 8 bigs going in to the season - more than enough for a serious run at the title.

[GSH]

WTF ever happened to Kelenna Azubuike? Did he never recover from the knee injury?


He had knee surgery on a patellar tendon. His rehab didn't progress like it should. He played in a few scrimmages, but wasn't all there. (No explosiveness, lateral movement.) Turns out, they botched the repair job. Hard to believe that a multi-million dollar commodity couldn't get a competent repair job.

He had a second surgery in March. This time he says it feels much better than it did the first time. He was supposed to have played in an exhibition game in November, but I never heard how that worked out. He says that he believes he will be able to play in the NBA again, but it's hard to know if he's just whistling past the graveyard.

If he's going to be able to complete a comeback, there should be some signs of it very soon. I would love for the Spurs to be the ones to give him a chance, and have it work out (for both). It would be very cool to see him stashed in the D-League to see if he could be ready to shore up the defense by playoff time. Pretty low risk and high reward. There's a chance that with a competent repair job, he might get back to being the player he was.

[Obstructed_View]

I think we'd get outbid for AK. Most of Timvp's remaining available list results in exchanging average for less than average.

Not good. Let's hope Leonard can exceed rookie expectations.

Hey, Chopper. :toast

[ace3g]

This is all that is left in the SF and PF/C categories according to ESPN FA list:

SF
Julian Wright

PF/C
Troy Murphy
Leon Powe
Dan Gadzuric
Kris Humphries
Joey Dorsey
Reggie Evans
Yi Jianlian
Francisco Elson
Alexis Ajinca
D.J. Mbenga
Jason Smith

... basically nothing

[Obstructed_View]

This is all that is left in the SF and PF/C categories according to ESPN FA list:

SF
Julian Wright

PF/C
Troy Murphy
Leon Powe
Dan Gadzuric
Kris Humphries
Joey Dorsey
Reggie Evans
Yi Jianlian
Francisco Elson
Alexis Ajinca
D.J. Mbenga
Jason Smith

... basically nothing

I can't really see anyone on that list that I wouldn't rather have than Matt Bonner in the bigman rotation.

[Duncan2177]

Reggie Evans

[alamo50]

Get Elson back!
Last time he started we won a championship.

[mystargtr34]

I would rather see Troy Murphy than Matt Bonner.. hes 6'11 and can rebound and shoot the 3.. cant be any worse than Bonner at anything else tbh.

[Mel_13]

Maurice Evans has agreed to a deal with the Washington Wizards, according to sources close to the situation.

http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA

[8FOR!3]

I'd rather see Dan Gadzuric. He's got size, he's a solid rebounder, and he's a better post defender than Bonner.

[underdawg]

This is all that is left in the SF and PF/C categories according to ESPN FA list:

SF
Julian Wright

PF/C
Troy Murphy
Leon Powe
Dan Gadzuric
Kris Humphries
Joey Dorsey
Reggie Evans
Yi Jianlian
Francisco Elson
Alexis Ajinca
D.J. Mbenga
Jason Smith

... basically nothing

Grab Wright and Ajinca - both would be projects, but because of the scheduling being squeezed together they would get some playing time and might develop. A 6'8" SF and a 7'2" C - how bad could they really be? At least you're getting a shot blocker in Ajinca.

I know it's desperate, but standing pat is even more desperate. Spurs have to address their lack of length - Leonard's definitely a start but why stop there?

[yavozerb]

Grab Wright and Ajinca - both would be projects, but because of the scheduling being squeezed together they would get some playing time and might develop. A 6'8" SF and a 7'2" C - how bad could they really be? At least you're getting a shot blocker in Ajinca.

I know it's desperate, but standing pat is even more desperate. Spurs have to address their lack of length - Leonard's definitely a start but why stop there?

Spurs have enough projects already, no more needed at this time..If they would take a 1 yr contract, maybe, if not, save your cap room for next season and go after some real players

[GSH]

This is all that is left in the SF and PF/C categories according to ESPN FA list:

SF
Julian Wright

PF/C
Troy Murphy
Leon Powe
Dan Gadzuric
Kris Humphries
Joey Dorsey
Reggie Evans
Yi Jianlian
Francisco Elson
Alexis Ajinca
D.J. Mbenga
Jason Smith

... basically nothing


Joey Dorsey: playing in Europe. Not that we wanted his under-achieving ass. Every time I see that name, though, it reminds me of Houston and Batum.

D.J Mbenga: can be counted on to average a double-double. Meaning 2 points and 2 boards.

Alexis Ajinca: Would be a perfect replacement for Bonner... except he can't shoot the 3. And he averages about 8 fouls per 36 minutes.

Jason Smith: Passive-aggressive. Except for the aggressive part. Anyone looking for a 7-footer who has developed a fair outside shot so that he can avoid all that ugly contact around the basket? At least he isn't foul-prone.

Francisco Elson: Stupid smart person, or smart stupid person? Always in the right place to get the rebounds that bounce his way.

Dan Gadzuric: Tall. Shoots FT's badly enough to be a Spur. Tall. By signing him and Elson, the Spurs could virtually OWN all fans from the Netherlands. Isn't he tied to a contract in China?

Troy Murphy: Will probably play for about half of what he got paid last season. We still can't afford it.

Leon Powe: Boston fans would love to see him return. He wants to return to Boston. Boston needs some help in the middle. The Celtics announced they are "not interested in Leon Powe". They know him better than anyone. Take a hint.

Reggie Evans: 6'8". Actually rebounded at a higher rate than Blair last season. Shoots like those people trying to hit the trashcans at halftime. Basketball IQ is as high as most of the Silver Dancers.


No one mentioned the corpse of Joe Smith who, at 36, might still be better than a lot of the other names on the list.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Well done GSH 10/10 hahah :)

[underdawg]

Spurs have enough projects already, no more needed at this time..If they would take a 1 yr contract, maybe, if not, save your cap room for next season and go after some real players

sounds like a good plan, but at this point I'd predict these 2 players have a better chance of panning out than the Spurs FO has in signing a real player.

I keep hearing "next year", but what makes the Spurs in that much of a better position "next year"? Timmy's contract's up, but even with that extra $ the Spurs are not necessarily a more desirable situation for a free agent. The chances of overpaying become more of a danger at that point.

If the Spurs are waiting for "next year", why not shed some of the dead weight this year?

[Mr Bones]

Ajinca is one of the most frequent foulers in the nba, worse than Hasheem Thabeet or Johan Petro in the fouls per 48 minute category. He's coincidentally tied in that category with a former famous spurstalk luminary: Ian 'The Savior" Mahinmi.

[spurs10]

Spurs will need to add a big before the season starts. It's just a matter of who at this point. Someone at training camp, a D-leaguer, somebody off our radar, who knows? I'm liking the idea of Tiago really getting thrown in the fire, but we'll have to get someone else. I am excited to see JA and Kawhi get some pt, especially with Neal out. Hopefully the hungry youth and the wise veterans can work together and surprise a few folks......

[Obstructed_View]

Ajinca is one of the most frequent foulers in the nba, worse than Hasheem Thabeet or Johan Petro in the fouls per 48 minute category. He's coincidentally tied in that category with a former famous spurstalk luminary: Ian 'The Savior" Mahinmi.

Having a guy willing to foul would have helped a lot against Gasol and Randolph last year.

[DesignatedT]

lol GSH. Pretty much.

[therealtruth]

Having a guy willing to foul would have helped a lot against Gasol and Randolph last year.

That's the problem I have with Bonner. Instead of giving up the easy basket or the and-one he should take the hard foul. It might dissuade guys from attacking him so much.

[Obstructed_View]

That's the problem I have with Bonner. Instead of giving up the easy basket or the and-one he should take the hard foul. It might dissuade guys from attacking him so much.

I see what you're saying, but I'm not even sure the hard fouls are necessary. The simple fact that Bonner can't bother anyone's shot is a huge problem. Mahinmi might foul out in ten minutes, but that's the better of the two choices. Guys hitting baskets create momentum, and free throws disrupt it. The last thing you want is a bunch of guys on the other team feeling like they're having a good shooting night.

[Duncan2177]

I see what you're saying, but I'm not even sure the hard fouls are necessary. The simple fact that Bonner can't bother anyone's shot is a huge problem. Mahinmi might foul out in ten minutes, but that's the better of the two choices. Guys hitting baskets create momentum, and free throws disrupt it. The last thing you want is a bunch of guys on the other team feeling like they're having a good shooting night.

The spurs need to start Tiago not fucken Bonner. :bang

[Obstructed_View]

The spurs need to start Tiago not fucken Bonner. :bang

True, but that's not even the problem. Bonner has been in the big man rotation since he's been on the team, which is not what he does. Just because you can put a tape measure up to the top of his head and get close to seven feet doesn't mean he's able to play the 4 or the 5 in the NBA. He's a shooter who happens to be tall, so you can put him in situations where you need someone to shoot, but he should only be in there as long as he's hitting shots. That's never been the case with him, and logic means nothing to the coach who keeps putting him (and the team) in a position to fail.

[Mr Bones]

One guy I would look at as a trade target would be Donte Greene of the Kings. He had a disappointing 3rd season last year, but his 2nd season stats were interesting: 3pt % of 37.7%, FG% of 44%, 8.5 ppg in 21 mpg, but more importantly he is thought of as a defensive specialist, and considered by some to be the best defender on that team. He's 6'11" now, having grown at least 2" since he was drafted in '08. Espn lists him as the 3rd SF in the depth charts behind Salmons and Francisco Garcia, so it possibly wouldn't take much to land him. His shooting percentages took a nosedive last year, but his defense only got better and he actually had a small positive on floor/off floor rating. At 6'11" he could be a 3rd string PF against less bulky opposing bigs, and as a SF he'd be an improvement defensively over Jefferson. His salary this year is 1.68 million. It wouldn't be an earth-shaking move, but it would be a cheap experiment that could help a bit.

[underdawg]

Ajinca is one of the most frequent foulers in the nba, worse than Hasheem Thabeet or Johan Petro in the fouls per 48 minute category. He's coincidentally tied in that category with a former famous spurstalk luminary: Ian 'The Savior" Mahinmi.

you think Ajinca would play 48 minutes? He avg'd under 2.5 fouls in about 10 minutes last year, so that's 5 fouls in about 20 minutes - more than mpg than he should play. A big that is foul prone is better than big that plays no defense and can't rebound.

[Bruno]

Well, Spurs picked Richard Jefferson as Richard Jefferson replacement. :downspin:

[GSH]

you think Ajinca would play 48 minutes? He avg'd under 2.5 fouls in about 10 minutes last year, so that's 5 fouls in about 20 minutes - more than mpg than he should play. A big that is foul prone is better than big that plays no defense and can't rebound.


He doesn't foul because he's playing aggressive defense. He's incredibly long, and can get off the ground. Anything right in front of him, and moving forward, he has a shot at blocking. Anything moving laterally he has a problem with, and he has to reach. They aren't tough, banging fouls. They're cheap, send-em-to-the-line fouls.

The other really bad sign - when a guy that big shoots .444 from the floor, there's a reason. He should be making a lot of his points right at the basket, and shooting around .500. He's not strong enough, and doesn't have any moves in the post. He's very close to dead wood.

[underdawg]

He doesn't foul because he's playing aggressive defense. He's incredibly long, and can get off the ground. Anything right in front of him, and moving forward, he has a shot at blocking. Anything moving laterally he has a problem with, and he has to reach. They aren't tough, banging fouls. They're cheap, send-em-to-the-line fouls.

The other really bad sign - when a guy that big shoots .444 from the floor, there's a reason. He should be making a lot of his points right at the basket, and shooting around .500. He's not strong enough, and doesn't have any moves in the post. He's very close to dead wood.

not too concerned with his offense, but it's still comparable to Bonner's Fg%/PHP and you'll get more blocks and rebounds too. I don't think you're asking for a lot of lateral movement from a 7 footer. He weighs 250 lbs - teach him how-to foul since that's easier than teaching t-rex to jump.

[Mel_13]

Given the development of KL and Green, as well as RJ's decent level of play, would we have been better off with any of the players on the original list that signed for the MLE or less?

Hell, would we have been better off with any of the players who signed for more than the MLE?

I don't think so.

[chazley]

Given the development of KL and Green, as well as RJ's decent level of play, would we have been better off with any of the players on the original list that signed for the MLE or less?

Hell, would we have been better off with any of the players who signed for more than the MLE?

I don't think so.

Wait, are you saying the Spurs front office, who've put together 4 championship teams in 13 years, know what they're doing? And 90% of Spurstalk posters who repeatedly bashed them/Pop prior to this season were wrong?

[Mel_13]

Wait, are you saying the Spurs front office, who've put together 4 championship teams in 13 years, know what they're doing? And 90% of Spurstalk posters who repeatedly bashed them/Pop prior to this season were wrong?

That's not what I was saying.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Given the development of KL and Green, as well as RJ's decent level of play, would we have been better off with any of the players on the original list that signed for the MLE or less?

Hell, would we have been better off with any of the players who signed for more than the MLE?

I don't think so.

No. And yes. Caron Butler is looking pretty good, a definite upgrade from RJ.

However, I get your point and agree that things have worked out well. I favoured amnestying RJ and going ahead with Leonard/JA/Green before the season, but RJ provides pure shooting that JA clearly can't at this point, and we saved the amnesty, so it has worked out well so far.

[Mel_13]

No. And yes. Caron Butler is looking pretty good, a definite upgrade from RJ.

However, I get your point and agree that things have worked out well. I favoured amnestying RJ and going ahead with Leonard/JA/Green before the season, but RJ provides pure shooting that JA clearly can't at this point, and we saved the amnesty, so it has worked out well so far.

I would agree that you can make a case for Butler, but I'd rather have RJ with the possibility of the amnesty than Butler at 3/24.

I had the same opinion that you expressed in your second paragraph, but I'm happy with the way things turned out.

[chazley]

That's not what I was saying.

lol

[Mel_13]

lol

rif

[timvp]

I was actually planning to bump this thread last night after how done Grant Hill looked :lol

Hill and Battier both look like they are sprinting down the other side of the hill, no pun intended. They both have injury excuses but they look to be out of gas.

RJ has really hollow stats this year but his three-point shooting has been helpful. Kawhi, so far at least, has been able to take on more minutes than anyone expected.

We'll have to see how it plays out but it looks like the Spurs will come out okay with how things ended up. That said, I don't know how much credit the FO is due. They were chasing most of the top guys on their list. Keeping RJ was about Plan F.

[Mel_13]

I was actually planning to bump this thread last night after how done Grant Hill looked :lol

Hill and Battier both look like they are sprinting down the other side of the hill, no pun intended. They both have injury excuses but they look to be out of gas.

RJ has really hollow stats this year but his three-point shooting has been helpful. Kawhi, so far at least, has been able to take on more minutes than anyone expected.

We'll have to see how it plays out but it looks like the Spurs will come out okay with how things ended up. That said, I don't know how much credit the FO is due. They were chasing most of the top guys on their list. Keeping RJ was about Plan F.

I wasn't giving the FO any credit at all. If Butler had taken the offer, RJ would be gone.

I just think we're better off than we would have been with Hill, Battier, etc. And if we are better off, it was by good fortune, not by design.

[manufan10]

I'm glad that so far it's working out better. If things go down hill with RJ, the Spurs still have the amnesty clause. Like Mel_13 said, if we had signed any of the others, RJ would be gone, and the Spurs would have been stuck with that player. The Spurs also have to option of raising Jefferson's stock to perhaps use him in a trade.

[DPG21920]

This kind of reminds me of the people who can give you the answer but can't explain the process so you question whether or not they really know the material truly. The test will be in the playoffs. This team (whether our expectations are real or not) is title or bust. Anything else IMO is a failure. I know my expectations are tempered and rebuilding is going to likely suck, but it appears this front office has gone for the shuffle our feet because we are in no rush to rebuild mode. It's fun to watch the Big 3, but I feel they have been cheated some because they haven't been put in a position to succeed by their front office.

I do feel that although the trajectory is the same as last year, that it's less fools gold. That's the good. The bad: I still don't think they are a contender and I do feel the front office has had a run of really bad years the past 2-3. They have put themselves in a bind and didn't add anything that one could objectively say propels them into contention. However, I personally am ok with watching The Big 3 still even though I don't necessarily agree with what has gone on as of late.

[DPG21920]

I wasn't giving the FO any credit at all. If Butler had taken the offer, RJ would be gone.

I just think we're better off than we would have been with Hill, Battier, etc. And if we are better off, it was by good fortune, not by design.

Agree with that. I still think there would be some better options than RJ, but he has been useful with his spectacular shooting.

[Mel_13]

This kind of reminds me of the people who can give you the answer but can't explain the process so you question whether or not they really know the material truly. The test will be in the playoffs. This team (whether our expectations are real or not) is title or bust. Anything else IMO is a failure. I know my expectations are tempered and rebuilding is going to likely suck, but it appears this front office has gone for the shuffle our feet because we are in no rush to rebuild mode. It's fun to watch the Big 3, but I feel they have been cheated some because they haven't been put in a position to succeed by their front office.

I do feel that although the trajectory is the same as last year, that it's less fools gold. That's the good. The bad: I still don't think they are a contender and I do feel the front office has had a run of really bad years the past 2-3. They have put themselves in a bind and didn't add anything that one could objectively say propels them into contention. However, I personally am ok with watching The Big 3 still even though I don't necessarily agree with what has gone on as of late.

Not sure where you were going with that or who you might be addressing. Care to clarify a bit?

[timvp]

I wasn't giving the FO any credit at all.

That line was aimed at chazley's take.


It's fun to watch the Big 3, but I feel they have been cheated some because they haven't been put in a position to succeed by their front office.

Pretty much agree with that. I'm not a big fan of taking the middle road between going all out for a title and rebuilding. While this is an entertaining team, I'd rather the Spurs go a true championship or bust route right now. As it stands, the Spurs on some hybrid championship-but-if-not-at-least-we'll-keep-a-clean-cap road.

[DPG21920]

Not sure where you were going with that or who you might be addressing. Care to clarify a bit?

Was talking about the FO with regards to RJ looking like the best option at this point.

[Mel_13]

That line was aimed at chazley's take.

Ok



Pretty much agree with that. I'm not a big fan of taking the middle road between going all out for a title and rebuilding. While this is an entertaining team, I'd rather the Spurs go a true championship or bust route right now. As it stands, the Spurs on some hybrid championship-but-if-not-at-least-we'll-keep-a-clean-cap road.

Sorry if I'm being dense, but what sort of moves do you mean?

The RJ trade was, IMO, a championship or bust route move that ignored the cap impacts.

Are you talking about similar type transactions?

I don't know. Between the Scola decision, the Gasol trade, and the RJ trade I have a hard time seeing a championship route. The rebuilding route is obvious.

[Technique]

This really doesn't look like a half-assed attempt at a title. But, rather a successful rebuilding process.

Unlike the Pistons who went the championship or bust route. The Spurs know they can still be elite with the withering big 3, and still develop promising young talent.

Besides, what big moves can the Spurs realistically make for them to be considered a championship contender?

[DPG21920]

Re-signing RJ wasn't a championship or bust move, it was a financial one with terrible basketball ramifications.

[Mel_13]

Re-signing RJ wasn't a championship or bust move, it was a financial one

Did anyone say otherwise?


with terrible basketball ramifications.

The amnesty provision has mitigated most of the negative basketball ramifications.

[Technique]

Re-signing RJ wasn't a championship or bust move, it was a financial one with terrible basketball ramifications.

Sure that was their intention. But it turned out to be much more.

Richard is having his best year yet with the Spurs. It turned out to be a 'championship or bust move' with financial security.

[DPG21920]

Did anyone say otherwise?



The amnesty provision has mitigated most of the negative basketball ramifications.

No one said otherwise, I was speaking more to the point I've made about how the FO has failed to choose a direction in recent years. The amnesty provision hasn't done anything yet since they haven't used it and without re-signing RJ, the Spurs would have been in a financial position that was advantageous somewhat to helping actually contend, so I disagree that it's mitigated the basketball ramifications in that regard.

[acoelho1]

Like everyone else on this forum, I wanted RJ gone but now I'm glad we stood pat. I think KL and DG are providing more to the team than any free agent we could have brought in to the fold. We clearly have a log jam at the guard spot and would love for the Spurs to make a run at one of Utah's bigs, specifically Al Jefferson. We will have to be creative and include another team since our assets alone may not cut it. I would think Utah wants to move forward with their younger bigs.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Ok

Sorry if I'm being dense, but what sort of moves do you mean?

The RJ trade was, IMO, a championship or bust route move that ignored the cap impacts.

Are you talking about similar type transactions?

I don't know. Between the Scola decision, the Gasol trade, and the RJ trade I have a hard time seeing a championship route. The rebuilding route is obvious.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. The FO has made some poor decisions (re-signing RJ to 40m particularly), but has also been pretty hamstrung by the cap, and lack of tradable assets (aside from the Big 3), over the past few years. Yet, somehow, they've completely re-tooled with quality young role players, some of whom are true diamonds (Leonard and Splitter are sure to be Spurs for the long haul). Thus:


This really doesn't look like a half-assed attempt at a title. But, rather a successful rebuilding process.

Unlike the Pistons who went the championship or bust route. The Spurs know they can still be elite with the withering big 3, and still develop promising young talent.

Besides, what big moves can the Spurs realistically make for them to be considered a championship contender?

[Mel_13]

No one said otherwise, I was speaking more to the point I've made about how the FO has failed to choose a direction in recent years. The amnesty provision hasn't done anything yet since they haven't used it and without re-signing RJ, the Spurs would have been in a financial position that was advantageous somewhat to helping actually contend, so I disagree that it's mitigated the basketball ramifications in that regard.

How so? They would have had the exact same options as if they had used the amnesty, which they were clearly willing to use.

[ChuckD]

I was actually planning to bump this thread last night after how done Grant Hill looked :lol

Hill and Battier both look like they are sprinting down the other side of the hill, no pun intended. They both have injury excuses but they look to be out of gas.

RJ has really hollow stats this year but his three-point shooting has been helpful. Kawhi, so far at least, has been able to take on more minutes than anyone expected.

We'll have to see how it plays out but it looks like the Spurs will come out okay with how things ended up. That said, I don't know how much credit the FO is due. They were chasing most of the top guys on their list. Keeping RJ was about Plan F.

Josh Howard now looks like he's circling the bowl in Utah, too. I think the only Spurs SF target that is performing well is Caron.

[DPG21920]

How so? They would have had the exact same options as if they had used the amnesty, which they were clearly willing to use.

IIRC, if RJ wouldn't have opted out, they would have been LT payers for 1 year and had cap space the very next year in order to add to the roster. RJ wouldn't have been a Spur last year and they would have achieved the flexibility sooner that they currently don't have.

[Mel_13]

IIRC, if RJ wouldn't have opted out, they would have been LT payers for 1 year and had cap space the very next year in order to add to the roster. RJ wouldn't have been a Spur last year and they would have achieved the flexibility sooner that they currently don't have.

You don't recall correctly.

If RJ hadn't opted out, he would have been on the team last season on the last year of his previous contract.

His contract would have ended at the end of 2010-11 season. The Spurs financial options this offseason with RJ off the books would have been exactly the same as if they used the amnesty, which they were clearly willing to use.

[DPG21920]

Fair enough, don't know why I was a year off, but it doesn't change the fact the FO didn't know the amnesty was coming and could* have put themselves in a rough spot if not for the bailout that is the amnesty. Again, it appears to be a case of luck vs skill.

Also it's not linear either. With him off the books this last year, instead of having to use the amnesty is a much different scenario with regards their possible willingness to spend (since they are still paying RJ if they use the amnesty). The overall point was that back when the decision was made and really going on 3 years now, the front office has failed to do anything of note to help the team contend.

[DPG21920]

Also, wouldn't RJ have lopped off 15M from the books with his initial salary? I don't know why my Math seems off, but I could have sworn they would have had more than the MLE to use if not resigning RJ?

[ChuckD]

Fair enough, don't know why I was a year off, but it doesn't change the fact the FO didn't know the amnesty was coming and could* have put themselves in a rough spot if not for the bailout that is the amnesty. Again, it appears to be a case of luck vs skill.

Also it's not linear either. With him off the books this last year, instead of having to use the amnesty is a much different scenario with regards their possible willingness to spend (since they are still paying RJ if they use the amnesty). The overall point was that back when the decision was made and really going on 3 years now, the front office has failed to do anything of note to help the team contend.

Holt was on the management committee. He knew exactly what they were pushing for. I even saw that speculation in an article during or right after the lockout.

[Mel_13]

Fair enough, don't know why I was a year off, but it doesn't change the fact the FO didn't know the amnesty was coming and could* have put themselves in a rough spot if not for the bailout that is the amnesty. Again, it appears to be a case of luck vs skill.

Given Holt's position during the CBA negotiations, I'd say it's a good bet that the Spurs expected an amnesty provision to be part of the new CBA.


Also it's not linear either. With him off the books this last year, instead of having to use the amnesty is a much different scenario with regards their possible willingness to spend (since they are still paying RJ if they use the amnesty).

Except that they were clearly willing to use the MLE and sign an RJ replacement.



The overall point was that back when the decision was made and really going on 3 years now, the front office has failed to do anything of note to help the team contend.

The RJ trade was in June, 2009. It didn't work out but there was nearly universal approval of that trade on ST and among the most respected basketball experts. Many believed the trade would make the Spurs contenders in 2009-10 and 2010-11.