Spurs or Suns for Grant Hill???

[kjhip1]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/33962/spurs-or-suns-for-grant-hill

Sorry if repeat...delete thread if so..

[MannyIsGod]

Nah think thats new. Not bad news!

[mexicanjunior]

Would be a nice consolation prize for not landing Butler and would be a nice mentor for Leonard.

[spursince#99]

he can't shoot the 3 ball so why should this be good news? Totally negative towards our spacing.

[kjhip1]

for two years?? I wouldn't mind G Hill..would coincide with TD retiring and give the Spurs two years for win now mode

[LongtimeSpursFan]

I think Hill is a much better fit for Spurs than Butler.

[spursince#99]

Amnesty on Richard Jefferson wasting idk how much money to sign a 38 year old? :lmao:(:depressed

[DesignatedT]

he can't shoot the 3 ball so why should this be good news? Totally negative towards our spacing.

He shot 40% from 3 last season. Year before that he hit 43% from deep range. He can shoot the 3 ball just fine.

[yavozerb]

Hill can only play TD minutes...imagine the trainers dealing with Hill and TD after back to backs this season. Freakin drought here in SA, not enough Ice to go around

[baseline bum]

Then bring back Kevin Willis to fill out the backup 5.

[DesignatedT]

He has also played at least 80 games the last 3 seasons. His health has been just fine as well. If its a 2 yr/6 mil type a deal then it will be a great signing.

[kjhip1]

Amnesty on Richard Jefferson wasting idk how much money to sign a 38 year old? :lmao:(:depressed

ummmm...amnesty RJ who averaged 11 pts and 4 reb for G hill (13 pts and 4) Reb and has mental toughness for big games..doesn't disappear...

[stephen jackson]

how is hill a better fit than butler?
i know where not getting butler but god damn sum of yall are dumb, i swear.
i highly doubt hell even be productive here....

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Throwing Leonard in the fire and having Hill as a backup is a nice plan to me.

[TimmehC]

Better than nothing.

[yavozerb]

He has also played at least 80 games the last 3 seasons. His health has been just fine as well. If its a 2 yr/6 mil type a deal then it will be a great signing.

You do realize he only averaged 20 mpg during that stretch right? better be for the vet. min.

[ace3g]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Grant-Hill-Tim-Duncan-and-what-might-have-been?urn=nba-238864

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[spursince#99]

ummmm...amnesty RJ who averaged 11 pts and 4 reb for G hill (13 pts and 4) Reb and has mental toughness for big games..doesn't disappear...


he was their second option so where are you getting at?

[dougp]

Regardless, everyone who owns a George Hill jersey will hope that Grant decides to take that number also.

[DesignatedT]

You do realize he only averaged 20 mpg during that stretch right? better be for the vet. min.

He's averaged 30mpg for the last 4 years barely missing any time in that stretch. He played and averaged more minutes than Tim Duncan last season.

[Mugen]

lol if Grant is looking for a championship with Timmy then he's about 11 years too late.

[yavozerb]

He's played 30mpg for the last 4 years barely missing any time in that stretch. He played and averaged more minutes than Tim Duncan last season.

Your right...I misread his bio. and saw 20 mpg over the last 3 seasons...thanks:toast

[DesignatedT]

lol if Grant is looking for a championship with Timmy then he's about 11 years too late.

If he was that serious about a ring I doubt he would still be considering Phoenix.

[Mugen]

personally, the 90s kid in me would be stoked to have Grant Hill on the Spurs. Sign Penny as the backup pg and ill have to change underwear.

[DesignatedT]

Don't love the signing but I'll give him a cheap 2 yr deal. He's been a good player for the last few seasons.

He played the same amount of minutes than RJ did last season to compare.... fyi

[Vic Petro]

Even if the rumor was Spurs getting Lebron, people here would find a way to shit all over it. Good grief people. Nic Batum isn't walking through that door.

[BillMc]

I would be for it. Grant can still play, and he'd be all business. Wonderful mentor for the younger guys at his position. Hill's a pro's pro.

[spursince#99]

now they'll actually have a reason to call us old :depressed

[Nathan89]

I'll take Grant. Every time I see him play he seems to have spry legs still. I guess that's a result of his injuries. He's a pretty good defenders and can hit mid-range shots.

Overall a big upgrade over Rj and that's good enough for me. I want to hear something about a big though.

[jeebus]

lol remember that billboard in Orlando about 11 years ago that was plastered on the news here? Had a picture of Duncan and Hill in Magic uniforms? good times...

[GSH]

Hill missed fewer games in the last 4 seasons than he did in the first 4 healthy seasons of his career. I would have bet against it, and I would have lost. Who knows how much more he has in the tank? There has to be some end to it, but he didn't show a lot of signs of it last season.

That being said, I wonder what team fielded the oldest starting five in history? If the Spurs could just bring back Jacques Vaughn for one game, they could start Duncan, Vaughn, Manu, Grant Hill, and McDyess. That crew would average 36 years 8 months. That's gotta be pretty close to a record.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

I'll take Grant. Every time I see him play he seems to have spry legs still. I guess that's a result of his injuries. He's a pretty good defenders and can hit mid-range shots.

Overall a big upgrade over Rj and that's good enough for me. I want to hear something about a big though.

Yeah Grant has the ability to shoot off dribble and drive to basket. He has great basketball IQ and a good passer. Solid defender. Plus he would still allow Leonard to get 18-20 minutes a game.

[Spurs Brazil]

jadande J.A. Adande
Nothing wrong with Spurs adding an older player. It's not like they're building for the future. Go till TD's knees fall off, then reset

[Trill Clinton]

I think Hill is a much better fit for Spurs than Butler.


Yea me too.

[Sense]

I would love to have Hill on a Spurs uniform, he can play defense.. his basketball IQ is through the roof, and he can be an excellent mentor for Leonard. We should be having more faith in Leonard.. I think Hill can stay healthy, he has the body of a 30 year old :lol 2 year deal would be more than fine.. IMO, I would rather have him than Howard.

[timvp]

I'd be f'ing thrilled with Hill. Sign him for two years and the Spurs could build a bridge to Leonard being ready to take the reins as the full time small forward. And if Leonard is ready before then, Hill could be still be good in a lesser role.

I completely agree with the Spurs being willing to offer two years. This is a guy who was on his way to being a first ballot Hall of Famer until his ankle almost had to be amputated. He may be 39 technically but he has the knees of a 33 or 34 year old.

It'd be exciting to have a perimeter defender who can actually defend.

Do it :tu

[Dex]

Out of Butler, Battier, and Hill, Grant was the option I was most hoping for. I've always liked his game and would love to see him as a Spur.

Then again, I don't like the report coming out in the media, because rumors and reality rarely seem to coincide in the Spurs favor.

[Sense]

Yes I like it but come on what are we doing trying to get older? Spurs would be wise if we cant find a way to steal a big to do TD and Manu right and deal them to Okl to help KD get a ring.

TD-Manu to Okl for Serge, Harding, Westbrook and Fillers maybe collison.

Be good for both Teams.

:lol


No one is trying to get older, we need a starting SF RIGHT NOW and there's nothing better than a true professional who can defend and mentor our future SF...

btw :lmao @ that trade.

[MaNu4Tres]

Grant Hill not coming to SA via Don Harris twitter.

[timvp]

Grant Hill not coming to SA via Don Harris twitter.

Well that was fun for about 20 minutes.

[timtonymanu]

Potential SF's are dropping like flies.

I wonder who's on the Spurs' radar at this point.

[NASpurs]

Close another thread, this one is done :lol

Fuck it, just toss Leonard to the fire.

[Manu20]

Grant Hill not coming to SA via Don Harris twitter.

Damn! :bang:pctoss

[Texas_Ranger]

Grant Hill not coming to SA via Don Harris twitter.

:(

ok, so who's next on our list... I'd love to have Mbah a Moute.

[stephen jackson]

i prefer jho anyways

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Fuck Grant Hill...... At least make his ass wear number 3 if we sign this scrub.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Nvm, thank god

[dbestpro]

:(

ok, so who's next on our list... I'd love to have Mbah a Moute.

Vince Carter is smiling.

[timvp]

Sounds like the Spurs finished second in the Grant Hill sweepstakes for the fifth time.

[NASpurs]

Vince Carter is smiling.

I forgot he was still available. My day is ruined. :depressed

[timtonymanu]

Vince Carter and Josh Howard are still available. Gosh, I rather just throw Leonard out there.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Argh. Hill/Leonard would've been an awesome SF duo.

[kjhip1]

OMG...please not Carter...

[crc21209]

Hill would rather be with the Suns? :lol Why? Then again this isnt confirmed yet it's JUST Don Harris...:lol

[lcroock]

VC will head be headed to da Bulls. Its Howard or bust for San Anton, and Howard isn't all that at this point in his career.

[BillMc]

I feel/look really stupid for asking this, but who is Don Harris? Is he a reliable source?

[stephen jackson]

Hill would rather be with the Suns? :lol Why? Then again this isnt confirmed yet it's JUST Don Harris...:lol

yeah source isnt credible.. people overreacting.
don harris :rollin

[stephen jackson]

I feel/look really stupid for asking this, but who is Don Harris? Is he a reliable source?
local sports guy, hes prolly just stating his opinion doubt he has any real info

[BillMc]

local sports guy, hes prolly just stating his opinion doubt he has any real info

Thanks for the quick answer! I appreciate it!:toast

[vy65]

@JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald
@varner48MoH @drew_48moh Don Harris' brother-in-law is Alvin Gentry. For real.

lolwut?

[Buddy Holly]

I feel/look really stupid for asking this, but who is Don Harris? Is he a reliable source?

A local sports anchor who spends most of his time on twitter asking real journalists for news. :lol

[Sense]

At this point I would say just start Leonard, get a vet as a back up for minimum... and use the MLE to try to get a big, because whatever we get at SF will end up being what Jefferson was.. a disappointment.

[Buddy Holly]

@JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald
@varner48MoH @drew_48moh Don Harris' brother-in-law is Alvin Gentry. For real.

lolwut?

Don's sister is married to Alvin Gentry. They live in Boerne I believe.

[BillMc]

A local sports anchor who spends most of his time on twitter asking real journalists for news. :lol

Thanks!:toast

[MaNu4Tres]

A local sports anchor who spends most of his time on twitter asking real journalists for news. :lol

Uhh...He actually has more pull than any local sports anchor in San Antonio in regards of the Spurs.

The Suns coach is also Don Harris' brother in law.

[Buddy Holly]

Uhh...He actually has more pull than any local sports anchor in San Antonio in regards of the Spurs.

The Suns coach is also Don Harris' brother in law.

I was just ribbing him for always tweeting other reporters for info.

[Spursfan092120]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Josh Howard still considering SA, NJ, Den, Utah, Chi and Wash, sources say.
Just sayin

[Buddy Holly]

I have no problem with Howard. I don't know why he's frowned upon so much on this forum.

[stephen jackson]

I have no problem with Howard. I don't know why he's frowned upon so much on this forum.
me either. id welcome him :toast

[Spursfan092120]

I have no problem with Howard. I don't know why he's frowned upon so much on this forum.


me either. id welcome him :toast

He and Butler are the ones I wanted in the first place. And I'm glad we got TJ for the minimum...another guy I don't understand the hate about.

[Spursfan092120]

RobMahoney Rob Mahoney
Looking more and more like the stars are aligning to put Josh Howard in San Antonio.

[urunobili]

Khawi needs a classy mentor...

[timtonymanu]

Ughhhh

[jjktkk]

I have no problem with Howard. I don't know why he's frowned upon so much on this forum.

Because he can be a knucklehead, likes to smoke weed, immature, etc..... Now if hes grown up any, I would take a flyer on him, if the price is right.

[Buddy Holly]

Likes to smoke weed? So does probably half the Spurs roster. Maybe more.

[stephen jackson]

im pretty sure timmy indulges in the ganja mayneeee

[SenorSpur]

Because he can be a knucklehead, likes to smoke weed, immature, etc..... Now if hes grown up any, I would take a flyer on him, if the price is right.

And if that wasn't enough, Howard playing in only 53 games in 3 seasons doens't instill a measure of confidence or proof of sustained health.

As stated above, if he comes in with the right attitude and for the right price, DO IT.

[Nathan89]

Fuck this thread for getting my hopes up...now i'm reading the names of scrubs.

[timtonymanu]

I don't like Howard. He has a poor attitude and his health is a question mark.

Unless seeing the Mavericks get a championship lit a fire under his ass, I don't see him being on this team as a good thing.

[acoelho1]

I haven't seen Howard play since leaving Dallas but he used to give us fits for years. I'm more concerned with his health than any discipline issue.

[jermaine]

The fact he wanna "stick it to the Mavs " alone would make him sign with the spurs.

[Russ]

Every time Grant Hill turns down the Spurs, the Spurs get better. It's karma, man.

[Hooks]

Fuck these SF FA's, with Battier/Butler/Hill/Prince all gone just bring in Green or let Kawhi start!

There isn't a SINGLE FA SF out there that is better than Green or Leonard right now or even RJ. Any SF we sign right now that keeps Leonard glued to the bench will be detrimental to the Spurs' success next year. Whatever SF the Spurs sign will be an even SHITTIER version of RJ, and that's SHITTY.

[Duncan2177]

Every time Grant Hill turns down the Spurs, the Spurs get better. It's karma, man.

link?

[mudyez]

did I miss something? Hill already somewhere else?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Khawi needs a classy mentor...

On a team that didn't even have the decency to let Jefferson know they intend on cutting him, I doubt that is really emphasized much around here anymore.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

did I miss something? Hill already somewhere else?

According to Don Harris, he ruled out SA.

[mudyez]

According to Don Harris, he ruled out SA.

that ruined my offseason.

I didnt want Paul or Howard for x-mas.
Not even Butler or Chandler.
Just wanted one of Hill, Battier, Prince.

Thats really to much to ask for? :depressed

Stupid Uncle Tom!

Now go for Luc!!!

[Buddy Holly]

On a team that didn't even have the decency to let Jefferson know they intend on cutting him, I doubt that is really emphasized much around here anymore.

Oh stop.

It got leaked.

[mudyez]

On a team that didn't even have the decency to let Jefferson know they intend on cutting him, I doubt that is really emphasized much around here anymore.

Who didnt know?

[Russ]

According to Don Harris, he ruled out SA.

Over the years, Hill is like Lucy holding the ball over and over for Charlie Brown's (the Spurs') kick. :flag:

[mudyez]

Over the years, Hill is like Lucy holding the ball over and over for Charlie Brown's (the Spurs') kick. :flag:

:lol

[vy65]

This fell through the cracks amidst "the cockblock"

Paul Coro
@paulcoro Paul Coro
RT @azcsports: Grant Hill still undecided on returning to the #Suns. "Big decision" to make. More from @paulcoro: bit.ly/rPmWQX


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2011/12/09/20111209phoenix-suns-grant-hill-undecided.html

[objective]

the reason I don't want Josh Howard has nothing to do with drugs.

I don't want him because he's played like absolute Jeffersonian trash since his injury.

This guy number one, failed the eyeball test for the Wizards.

Then with his stats: atrocious. 36% from the field, 24% from 3, a 9.2 PER, revolting ORtg (89) easily his career worst by far, career worst DRtg (111) . . .

There is no statistical measure where he wasn't just a washed up injured over 30 has-been.

[slick'81]

after losing on battier and butler not much left

[Big P]

after losing on battier and butler not much left

We never had a chance.

[Dex]

Call me crazy, but I actually still have a good feeling about this.

[rascal]

for two years?? I wouldn't mind G Hill..would coincide with TD retiring and give the Spurs two years for win now mode

The spurs are not winning with Grant Hill. Hill is not putting the Spurs over the top.

[kjhip1]

The spurs are not winning with Grant Hill. Hill is not putting the Spurs over the top.

I will give you that..but at least we are not just 1st round fodder..

[objective]

Hill is one of the few SFs I'd like. Not that it matters now.

[tdunk21]

@JMcDonald_SAEN
Jeff McDonald
Based on what I'm hearing tonight, wouldn't hold my breath on Grant Hill joining the Spurs.

[baseline bum]

Josh Howard??? :vomit:

Still better than Dick though.

[mudyez]

the reason I don't want Josh Howard has nothing to do with drugs.

I don't want him because he's played like absolute Jeffersonian trash since his injury.

This guy number one, failed the eyeball test for the Wizards.

Then with his stats: atrocious. 36% from the field, 24% from 3, a 9.2 PER, revolting ORtg (89) easily his career worst by far, career worst DRtg (111) . . .

There is no statistical measure where he wasn't just a washed up injured over 30 has-been.

agree...actually, I was shocked, he is still in the league!

really!

[Leetonidas]

Hill has had the advantage (sort of) of being sidelined most of his career so his legs are really fresh for a 39 year old dude. He would definitely be better than any realistic SF we could land.

[analyzed]

I would take Grant hill at the MLE ($ 5M yr) for 2 years any day, over getting Bultler for ($ 8M/yr) for 3 years. (what the Clips gave him) . Especially knowing we just drafted SF leaonard ( Ranked 6th for Rookies)

[++SaiNt TiAg0++]

for all you guys hating on grant hill he gave that suns team life when there shouldn't have been, and you have to think about locker room presence its an important variable to consider.

while i agree with his lack of 3 ball you have to look at what we really needed last year and that was some damn passion for the game more manu energy more players with heart we had 3's pouring all year and then they choked in the P.o's!!

jefferson/parker/bonner/played with as much heart as they would in a scrimmage game. pop f course keeping all our players with balls out the game as usual.. and on the subject of bonner i dont want that piece of crap wasting another minute of our time. now i hear trade talk pertaining tiago and chicago ??

of course matt is untouchable this just makes me sick guys.. there is nobody and i mean nobody we should be looking at over there .. i mean you know damn well the bulls arent giving up anyone good ..pop please restart yourself and lay off the grapes !

[GSH]

now i hear trade talk pertaining tiago and chicago ??




Chicago? Who the hell does Chicago have, that we could get for the price of Splitter?

[Buddy Holly]

Chicago? Who the hell does Chicago have, that we could get for the price of Splitter?

Tiago, Bonner, Dice for Noah? :toast

[DarkGinobili]

What , LOL

[GSH]

Tiago, Bonner, Dice for Noah? :toast

Heh... exactly. The only trades I see there all depend on Santa.

[Mel_13]

Chicago? Who the hell does Chicago have, that we could get for the price of Splitter?

Asik + Gibson works, but I don't see any reason that Chicago makes that deal.

[Dex]

The Arizona Republic's Paul Coro also reports that there's "continued optimism" that Hill will stay in Phoenix. Coro also reports the Suns are close to landing backup point guard Sebastian Telfair.

Phoenix Suns close to contract with guard Sebastian Telfair
"We are moving closer," Telfair's agent, Andy Miller, said Wednesday night. "I anticipate us being able to put something together on Friday. We're having advanced dialogue."

Not sure if this affects much in the Hill sweepstakes with Telfair being a guard, other than maybe the money that Phoenix will be able to offer to Hill. Too lazy to look up their salary situation and figure out the math right now.

[WeNeedLength]

This was already posted in another thread but thought it should be posted here as well to end this debate:

@paulcoro: Grant Hill has agreed to return to the Suns for a one-year, $6.5 million contract.

[SenorSpur]

This was already posted in another thread but thought it should be posted here as well to end this debate:

@paulcoro: Grant Hill has agreed to return to the Suns for a one-year, $6.5 million contract.

Case closed. Spurs got used for leverage - once again.

Let's move on.

[TDMVPDPOY]

This was already posted in another thread but thought it should be posted here as well to end this debate:

@paulcoro: Grant Hill has agreed to return to the Suns for a one-year, $6.5 million contract.

with this deal, his made 140m nba salary accumulated...for a guy 17yrs in the league while take 7yrs of money from orlando doing nothing lmao...

[Borosai]

It's Leonard time.

[Dex]

Good, we didn't want him anyways.

:depressed

[stephen jackson]

oh so sad.

[DesignatedT]

Too bad.

[TDMVPDPOY]

how about rip hamilton? i thought the pistons were gettin rid of vets

[stephen jackson]

meanwhile pietrus goes to toronto for a 2nd round pick...
wouldnt mind having him

[crc21209]

Dumbass. Have fun missing the Playoffs again...:lol

[mingus]

Spurs aren't winning shit any time soon. They should be stocking up with draft picks and young players instead of going for fossils. All I care about this season is seeing Manu & Duncan play their last couple years together. The window is closed. Build for the future.

[smrattler]

Battier, Butler, Josh Howard, Hill... who else was supposed to replace Richardson?

Are we out of SF options?

Besides, for all the nice things people say about Hill, I'll never forget he had a chance to come here a few years ago and one of his deciding factors (supposedly, again, obviously I wasn't there, just what I read at the time) was how practices were run by the Suns versus Pop and how hard Pop would work his guys versus the Suns, and treated everyone the same.

That told me something, especially from a guy coming off all of those years of injuries. Maybe I'm being insensitive or unfair and he has a legit reason to not want to kill himself in practice so he can prolong his career. Or maybe he had earned the right to say he didn't deserve to be treated or talked down to like a rookie.

But all I heard was "hard work, no thanks". I don't know, maybe he's right, Pop needs to lighten up. :ihit

[therealtruth]

Grant can help in a couple of ways. He's a great defender and you can run the offense through him because he's a great passer and has a high basketball iq. However he's not a good 3pt shooter.

I'm still mad at him for hitting those jumpers of Duncan in game 2 in '10. That really exposed Duncan's defensive decline. Never before would a team have thought of attacking Duncan for his lack of defense. What I didn't understand about the Spurs strategy in that series is why they didn't leave him open when all the other players were 3pt threats. If you had a choice between leaving JRich open or him it would have to be him.

[tuncaboylu]

Battier, Butler, Josh Howard, Hill... who else was supposed to replace Richardson?


Which Richardson?