Drone Wars: Iran military shoots down U.S. drone

[Nbadan]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/RQ-170_Wiki_contributor_3Dartist.png


Iran's military said on Sunday it had shot down a U.S. reconnaissance drone aircraft in eastern Iran, a military source told state television.

"Iran's military has downed an intruding RQ-170 American drone in eastern Iran," Iran's Arabic-language Al Alam state television network quoted the unnamed source as saying.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/04/us-iran-usa-drone-idUSTRE7B30CQ20111204?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FworldNews+%28News+% 2F+US+%2F+International%29

Note that the wiki article says that the Fars New Agency story says that "Iranian Electronic Warfare Units managed to take control of the UAV and take custody of it with minor damage."



Iranian TV has shown the first video footage of an advanced US drone aircraft that Tehran says it downed near the Afghan border.

Images show Iranian military officials inspecting the RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft which appears to be undamaged.

US officials have acknowledged the loss of the unmanned plane, saying it had malfunctioned.

However, Iranian officials say its forces electronically hijacked the drone and steered it to the ground.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16098562

[DMC]

Iranian forces can electronically hijack a plane but have to board one with bombs strapped to their chest just to preserve the "old customs"?

[4>0rings]

It didn't get shot down, it just malfunctioned and crash landed.

Why wasn't there a self-destruct option this stealth drone?

Why wasn't it found and a hellfire missle fired immediatly at the drone once it went down?

[cheguevara]

this thing should be easy to reverse engineer. Especially with the help of China.

[Winehole23]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/after-drone-was-lost-cia-tried-a-head-fake/2011/12/06/gIQAJNrnZO_blog.html

[boutons_deux]

yawn

They're ALL LYING, It's The American Way

[Nbadan]

The Iranian video footage of the downed RQ-170 drone suggest that either Iran has one hell of a set of model builders or they somehow managed to compromise a highly secure US computer network.

If it's the latter, it may be no coincidence that in October Noah Shactman broke a story out of Creech Air Force base exposing a widespread computer virus that had fully infected drone operations. Two months ago it was believed the drones most likely to suffer from such and attack would be Reapers or Predators, but the RQ-170s also fly out of Creech AFB.

If the Iranians somehow breached the drone network and were able to reprogram the drone to make a gentle landing, in country, from 50,000 feet, it would be a military and engineering coup.

The RQ-170 doesn't require an outside signal to fly or navigate, so the suggestion that the drones signal could have been jammed is not entirely likely.

http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-drone-virus-creech-air-force-base-2011-12

[Jacob1983]

http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/68/MPW-34223

[DMC]

That pic of Shia was outside a bar in Canada, right?

[Jacob1983]

I posted that pic is because that's what's going on under Obama's watch. Drones are killing people ie American citizens who don't get due process. Obama is just as much as a war monger as Bush was. Why does Obama get a pass when he is a war monger but Bush didn't?

[boutons_deux]

Not excusing the very disappointing Barry, but can anyone imagine how hard it would be for any President to stop the MIC/CIA/black ops from invading, violating, murdering all over the planet, and sucking down $Bs in profits from taxpayers?

I have no proof of course, anybody got any data?, but I assume the MIC/CIA/black ops are completely out of governmental control.

[spursncowboys]

what american citizens are getting killed by drones?

[4>0rings]

what american citizens are getting killed by drones?

The one they killed in whatever-stan not to long ago.

[spursncowboys]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/30/national/main20113853.shtml

This clown?
So Pakistani/US citizen, who is a self described member of al queda makes propaganda which has lead to the deaths of Americans is in a car with an enemy target and gets killed and that is somehow against our constitution? lol. Glad you liberals weren't around when the Confederacy seceded.

[spursncowboys]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/30/national/main20113853.shtml

This clown?
So Pakistani/US citizen, who is a self described member of al queda makes propaganda which has lead to the deaths of Americans is in a car with an enemy target and gets killed and that is somehow against our constitution? lol. Glad you liberals weren't around when the Confederacy seceded.

[mavs>spurs]

Lol they didn't shoot the thing down, or hijack it electronically. It malfunctioned and we lost contact, and it landed itself without a scratch as programmed to do. Dunno why it didn't have a self destruct feature, sounds like it was meant to happen to me. I'm still trying to figure out why, but they definitely wanted Iran to find that thing. Maybe to further stir up tensions, I really don't know.

[Yonivore]

Lol they didn't shoot the thing down, or hijack it electronically. It malfunctioned and we lost contact, and it landed itself without a scratch as programmed to do. Dunno why it didn't have a self destruct feature, sounds like it was meant to happen to me. I'm still trying to figure out why, but they definitely wanted Iran to find that thing. Maybe to further stir up tensions, I really don't know.

0rKL8ZuT1Us
Well, we've asked for it back. That should end that!

There's an intelligence blogger (http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2011/12/09/who-said-no-to-destroying-the-rq-170/) that wondered (until it was revealed that it was Obama) who rejected the three scenarios offered by the military for retrieving or destroying the drone.

In his blog post, he suggests that because there was plenty of time to hold meetings, present options, and make decisions, that the drone was not shot down or controlled by the Iranians but, instead, suffered a malfunction that set it down in Iran where -- for, at least, some period of time -- there were options to exercise.

Myself, I wonder if (and hope that) the drone is some sort of red herring that is not even a close representation of our actual drones. That it's loaded with some Stuxnet type virus in the software that will cause any reverse-engineered replica to hunt down Ahmadenijad and fly up his ass.

Just sayin'

[101A]

That it's loaded with some Stuxnet type virus in the software that will cause any reverse-engineered replica to hunt down Ahmadenijad and fly up his ass.

ROFL.
Seriously.

[Yonivore]

Former Vice President Dick Cheney seems to take issue with the current administration's handling of the whole affair.

Cheney: Obama should have destroyed drone (http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/198971-cheney-obama-should-have-destroyed-the-drone)

[cheguevara]

LOL Dick "the mass murderer" Cheney should be giving his 2 cents from jail

[Yonivore]

LOL Dick "the mass murderer" Cheney should be giving his 2 cents from jail
Regardless of your opinion of Vice President Cheney, he can probably speak with some authority on what our capabilities are in this area.

[cheguevara]

Regardless of your opinion of Vice President Cheney, he can probably speak with some authority on what our capabilities are in this area.

no he can't. He is responsible for the fuckup in Iraq and the deaths of thousands of americans. This is like asking Jerry Sanduski advice on how to bathe your children.

[boutons_deux]

Seychelles drone crash raises more questions about security

U.S. officials said Tuesday that another drone aircraft has mysteriously crashed, this time while on routine patrol around the small island nation of Seychelles, east of Africa.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/13/another-u-s-drone-mysteriously-crashes-this-time-in-seychelles/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29&utm_content=Google+Reader

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Well, just buy some more. Taxpayers have very deep pockets for MIC toys and entertainment.
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[Yonivore]

Seychelles drone crash raises more questions about security

U.S. officials said Tuesday that another drone aircraft has mysteriously crashed, this time while on routine patrol around the small island nation of Seychelles, east of Africa.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/13/another-u-s-drone-mysteriously-crashes-this-time-in-seychelles/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29&utm_content=Google+Reader

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Well, just buy some more. Taxpayers have very deep pockets for MIC toys and entertainment.
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That one must be for the Chinese who are getting ready to establish a naval port at Seychelles.

China says mulling Seychelles naval hosting offer (http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2011/12/12/china_says_mulling_seychelles_naval_hosting_offer/)

Merry Christmas to all our enemies! Drones all around.

[ElNono]

It's an expensive RC plane with a boatload of electronics, 90% of which are probably made in china to begin with. I don't see what the hoopla is all about, frankly. If you told me it carries nuclear warheads, then we would have a problem. Otherwise, there's little novel about it.

[LnGrrrR]

It's an expensive RC plane with a boatload of electronics, 90% of which are probably made in china to begin with. I don't see what the hoopla is all about, frankly. If you told me it carries nuclear warheads, then we would have a problem. Otherwise, there's little novel about it.

They probably will dig through our comm equipment on the drone... not sure how much of it involves crypto, but I"m sure some of it does. That's slight cause for concern, but I don't think they'll be able to glean anything too vital.

[ChumpDumper]

That one must be for the Chinese who are getting ready to establish a naval port at Seychelles.

China says mulling Seychelles naval hosting offer (http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2011/12/12/china_says_mulling_seychelles_naval_hosting_offer/)

Merry Christmas to all our enemies! Drones all around.Did you just call China our enemy?

[ElNono]

They probably will dig through our comm equipment on the drone... not sure how much of it involves crypto, but I"m sure some of it does. That's slight cause for concern, but I don't think they'll be able to glean anything too vital.

It's an issue if they hardcoded 'Kr33pt0' as the comm key, but I want to think .mil is savvier than that. Other than that, I'm pretty sure it's all standard algos. Change the public key and you should be good to go. Heck, I don't even want to know how much we're gonna be billed for the 'software upgrade' to swap out the public key.

[Nbadan]

It's an expensive RC plane with a boatload of electronics, 90% of which are probably made in china to begin with. I don't see what the hoopla is all about, frankly. If you told me it carries nuclear warheads, then we would have a problem. Otherwise, there's little novel about it.

freakin Chinese will probably send it back equipped with free 4G for everybody...

See the problem here....

[LnGrrrR]

It's an issue if they hardcoded 'Kr33pt0' as the comm key, but I want to think .mil is savvier than that. Other than that, I'm pretty sure it's all standard algos. Change the public key and you should be good to go. Heck, I don't even want to know how much we're gonna be billed for the 'software upgrade' to swap out the public key.

Yup yup. :lol Changing all that crypto is bound to be a pain in the arse. I'm not familar with the ability of a drone to auto-pilot and land, but if they did hack in and take this down, there's a slight possibility that they gleaned a password due to social engineering/keylogging. Again, I might be overestimating their abilities.

[CosmicCowboy]

They probably will dig through our comm equipment on the drone... not sure how much of it involves crypto, but I"m sure some of it does. That's slight cause for concern, but I don't think they'll be able to glean anything too vital.

I suspect that the stealth technology would be more valuable but they may have already stolen that...

[Wild Cobra]

It's an expensive RC plane with a boatload of electronics, 90% of which are probably made in china to begin with. I don't see what the hoopla is all about, frankly. If you told me it carries nuclear warheads, then we would have a problem. Otherwise, there's little novel about it.
You can bet it has some proprietary features we didn't want others to have.

It's obvious to me. The Iranians saw it, and they jammed it's comms.

[boutons_deux]

I wonder if the Iranians let the Russians and Chinese looks, for a hefty fee, of course?

[jag]

Myself, I wonder if (and hope that) the drone is some sort of red herring that is not even a close representation of our actual drones. That it's loaded with some Stuxnet type virus in the software that will cause any reverse-engineered replica to hunt down Ahmadenijad and fly up his ass.

Just sayin'


Yeah, because he's a difficult guy to hunt down.


http://infidelsarecool.com/wp-content/uploads/columbia_ahmadinejad.jpg

[ElNono]

Yup yup. :lol Changing all that crypto is bound to be a pain in the arse. I'm not familar with the ability of a drone to auto-pilot and land, but if they did hack in and take this down, there's a slight possibility that they gleaned a password due to social engineering/keylogging. Again, I might be overestimating their abilities.

What do you mean? The crypto won't change, since it looks like it hasn't been compromised. I don't think this thing was hacked at all. I would think all you need to bring it down is a strong enough signal jammer.

[ElNono]

You can bet it has some proprietary features we didn't want others to have.

Like what?


It's obvious to me. The Iranians saw it, and they jammed it's comms.

That's what I suspect too. It's still just a very expensive RC plane. Nothing novel about it, other than the fact it's used in a warzone.

[LnGrrrR]

What do you mean? The crypto won't change, since it looks like it hasn't been compromised. I don't think this thing was hacked at all. I would think all you need to bring it down is a strong enough signal jammer.

Perhaps, but I wouldn't be surprised if the military jumps through hoops changing keys as a precautionary measure, unless they know for sure the exact reason it went down.

[ElNono]

Well, now we know... it was pretty obvious, tbh...

US Sentinel Drone Fooled Into Landing With GPS Spoofing
"Following up on the earlier Slashdot story, the Christian Science Monitor now reports that GPS spoofing was used (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1215/Exclusive-Iran-hijacked-US-drone-says-Iranian-engineer) to get the RQ-170 Sentinel Drone to land in Iran (http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/12/13/1837229/iran-wants-to-clone-downed-us-drone). According to an Iranian engineer quoted in the article, 'By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain.' Apparently, once it loses its brain, the bird relies on GPS signals to get home. By spoofing GPS, Iranian engineers were able to get the drone to 'land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications.'"

[Stringer_Bell]

Well, now we know... it was pretty obvious, tbh...

US Sentinel Drone Fooled Into Landing With GPS Spoofing
"Following up on the earlier Slashdot story, the Christian Science Monitor now reports that GPS spoofing was used (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1215/Exclusive-Iran-hijacked-US-drone-says-Iranian-engineer) to get the RQ-170 Sentinel Drone to land in Iran (http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/12/13/1837229/iran-wants-to-clone-downed-us-drone). According to an Iranian engineer quoted in the article, 'By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain.' Apparently, once it loses its brain, the bird relies on GPS signals to get home. By spoofing GPS, Iranian engineers were able to get the drone to 'land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications.'"

Who designed such a stupid fuckin machine? If the thing loses it's brain it should explode so as not to compromise the technology and information inside.

[CosmicCowboy]

how do you spoof gps to confuse a base in Iran with a base in Afghanistan?

[Nbadan]

how do you spoof gps to confuse a base in Iran with a base in Afghanistan?

Yeah...it was in Afghanistan

:lol


The predator flew into a trap

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah...it was in Afghanistan

:lol


The predator flew into a trap

Yeah, I'm beginning to think the Afghans stole it and sold it to the Iranians.

[Nbadan]

Yeah...the covert war in Iran had nothing to do with this...

[ElNono]

how do you spoof gps to confuse a base in Iran with a base in Afghanistan?

You beam a fake GPS stream with fake coordinates and time...

[ElNono]

http://www.syssec.ethz.ch/research/ccs139-tippenhauer.pdf

[ElNono]

Who designed such a stupid fuckin machine? If the thing loses it's brain it should explode so as not to compromise the technology and information inside.

The problem is that satellite signals are pretty weak as is. There's probably a lot of disconnects/reconnects. There's no easy solution to this problem.

[CosmicCowboy]

Wow...this is pretty creepy if true...our entire military strategy is built around gps...so cruise missiles could be obsolete?

[ElNono]

Wow...this is pretty creepy if true...our entire military strategy is built around gps...so cruise missiles could be obsolete?

It's hard to jam something moving too fast. Plus, cruise missiles can be programmed to use GPS just on the last few miles. You'll lose a bit of precision, but overall, it would be difficult to stop.

The problem here is with unmanned vehicles that have arbitrary movement.

[CosmicCowboy]

hmmm...what about armor battlefield maneuvers...thats all gps guided now...

[z0sa]

us sentinel drone fooled into landing with gps spoofing
"following up on the earlier slashdot story, the christian science monitor now reports that gps spoofing was used (http://www.csmonitor.com/world/middle-east/2011/1215/exclusive-iran-hijacked-us-drone-says-iranian-engineer) to get the rq-170 sentinel drone to land in iran (http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/12/13/1837229/iran-wants-to-clone-downed-us-drone). According to an iranian engineer quoted in the article, 'by putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain.' apparently, once it loses its brain, the bird relies on gps signals to get home. By spoofing gps, iranian engineers were able to get the drone to 'land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications.'"

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[ElNono]

hmmm...what about armor battlefield maneuvers...thats all gps guided now...

Isolation is the key, IMO. If you're actually looking for who's jamming the signal, you should be able to tell (since they're emitting). So you can just send a few planes to knock it out.

And I think that's where the solution is going to come from. Create some jamming detectors to establish the reliability of the input signals.

[CosmicCowboy]

Isolation is the key, IMO. If you're actually looking for who's jamming the signal, you should be able to tell (since they're emitting). So you can just send a few planes to knock it out.

And I think that's where the solution is going to come from. Create some jamming detectors to establish the reliability of the input signals.

Good point. We've had the technology to go after radar/radar jammers since the 60's at least...

[Nbadan]

If your Iran you don't have your radar jammers working all the time....you set up a trap and when a drone wonders into it, you jam the jammers and jam the drone...jammers gone by the time the planes get there...and so is your drone...

[ElNono]

If your Iran you don't have your radar jammers working all the time....you set up a trap and when a drone wonders into it, you jam the jammers and jam the drone...jammers gone by the time the planes get there...and so is your drone...

That's why I'm saying isolation is key... but CC was asking about battlefield maneuvers... which would indicate a strong presence.

[ElNono]

I also think the US was aware of what happened... They probably didn't think that whatever information was in the plane was sensitive enough to warrant a destruction strike and potentially trigger hostilities.

[Wild Cobra]

It didn't get shot down, it just malfunctioned and crash landed.

Why wasn't there a self-destruct option this stealth drone?

Why wasn't it found and a hellfire missle fired immediatly at the drone once it went down?
I'm hearing the Iranians did take control. What seems most likely to me is they didn't actually overpower the comms, but instead had an insider spy who could have programmed an alternate landing site is comms went down, and jammed the signal. That would prevent any self detention scenarios.

[Wild Cobra]

Yup yup. :lol Changing all that crypto is bound to be a pain in the arse. I'm not familar with the ability of a drone to auto-pilot and land, but if they did hack in and take this down, there's a slight possibility that they gleaned a password due to social engineering/keylogging. Again, I might be overestimating their abilities.
I was under the impression that of something went wrong with communications, the drones are preprogrammed to return to specific locations. I heard of one that was in Iraq, and crashed on it's way back to Arizona, because the programming wasn't updated. Still, it may not apply to all drones.

[ElNono]

I'm hearing the Iranians did take control. What seems most likely to me is they didn't actually overpower the comms, but instead had an insider spy who could have programmed an alternate landing site is comms went down, and jammed the signal. That would prevent any self detention scenarios.

Did you just skip reading the last 20 or so posts?


I was under the impression that of something went wrong with communications, the drones are preprogrammed to return to specific locations. I heard of one that was in Iraq, and crashed on it's way back to Arizona, because the programming wasn't updated. Still, it may not apply to all drones.

Sounds like baloney to me. These things don't have the autonomy to fly transatlantic, AFAIK. They're small planes, and don't seemingly have aerial refueling capabilities.

[Nbadan]

I also think the US was aware of what happened... They probably didn't think that whatever information was in the plane was sensitive enough to warrant a destruction strike and potentially trigger hostilities.

Was reading up on this last night....turns out that when the planes lose communication with their satellite signal they will just hover in circles until that signal is reestablished, if that signal is never reestablished they will erase all their data and hover to the ground...also rumors in the aviation circles is that Iran already has as many as 4 US drones and 3 Israeli drones

[LnGrrrR]

Just another sign of how important communication is becoming to the military. I'm glad I get to be part of the revolution, as it were, even if I'm not the one designing all the geeky gadgets.

[Wild Cobra]

Did you just skip reading the last 20 or so posts?

Does stating my opinion need to be reflective on agreeing or disagreeing with previous posts?


Sounds like baloney to me. These things don't have the autonomy to fly transatlantic, AFAIK. They're small planes, and don't seemingly have aerial refueling capabilities.

You accuse me of not reading the last 20 or so? fair enough. I will accuse of of poor comprehension, or not reading mine.

I was under the impression that of something went wrong with communications, the drones are preprogrammed to return to specific locations. I heard of one that was in Iraq, and crashed on it's way back to Arizona, because the programming wasn't updated. Still, it may not apply to all drones.
You're a fucking hypocrite.

Just because I forgot to say the drone was originally based out of AZ shouldn't matter.

[ElNono]

Does stating my opinion need to be reflective on agreeing or disagreeing with previous posts?

No, you contradicting the statements of an actual Iranian engineer that explained how they were able to control the plane makes you look really dumb.

That's all.


You accuse me of not reading the last 20 or so? fair enough. I will accuse of of poor comprehension, or not reading mine.

You're a fucking hypocrite.

Just because I forgot to say the drone was originally based out of AZ shouldn't matter.

Perhaps you shouldn't leave those little details out. They actually make a whole lot of a difference.

[Wild Cobra]

Perhaps you shouldn't leave those little details out. They actually make a whole lot of a difference.
I see... Can't think for yourself...

You think drones were originally based in Iraq or someplace else in the Middle East for returning too? I suppose our Armour and other units are originally based there too.

Maybe you should stop blaming me for the fact you continually jump to conclusions, then attempt to make someone else look bad. It just makes you look even worse when you blame others for your mistakes.

[Wild Cobra]

No, you contradicting the statements of an actual Iranian engineer that explained how they were able to control the plane makes you look really dumb.

And just when does one know to believe others and when not to, or is everything you read on the internet true?

[ElNono]

I see... Can't think for yourself...

I prefer not to make stuff up if there's credible information...

You should try it sometime...

[Yonivore]

And just when does one know to believe others and when not to, or is everything you read on the internet true?
Makes one wonder how he would reconcile an opposing point of view from an "actual American engineer," or, even, another "actual Iranian engineer."

[Wild Cobra]

I prefer not to make stuff up if there's credible information...

You should try it sometime...
I believe the simpler plausible possibility. If they actually made it believe Iraq was it's designated emergency landing, then it would be easier to have an inside man plant such instructions in the service area before it was launched. The story could be to try to keep their spy safe.

Do you understand how complicated it would be to recreate a usable GPS signal?

[Winehole23]

the stuff i just made up is credible -- because I believe it!

[ElNono]

Makes one wonder how he would reconcile an opposing point of view from an "actual American engineer," or, even, another "actual Iranian engineer."

From the article posted:
In 2003, a “Vulnerability Assessment Team” at Los Alamos National Laboratory published research explaining how weak GPS signals were easily overwhelmed with a stronger local signal.

Makes one wonder why do you post, tbh...

[ElNono]

Do you understand how complicated it would be to recreate a usable GPS signal?

How complicated? Because I happen to know. And it's not complicated at all.
Heck, posted a paper on this very same thread on how it's done.

Probably something else you skipped over and is making you look like a retard.

[Wild Cobra]

And I think that's where the solution is going to come from. Create some jamming detectors to establish the reliability of the input signals.
LOL...

Tell me master baiter. Just how does one triangulate a signal in terrain that reflects signals and is effectively white noise, so time differential cannot be detected either.

[Wild Cobra]

How complicated? Because I happen to know. And it's not complicated at all.
Heck, posted a paper on this very same thread on how it's done.

Probably something else you skipped over and is making you look like a retard.
LOL...

Not complicated? To replicate a minimum four GPS signals?

It takes three signals to determine a 2D coordinate, and 4 signals to determine 3D coordinates.

I didn't see anything linked that explained how it was done, just that it was. My God. For a programmer to create a program to mimic four signals, and change the lag between them at the nanosecond or faster level as the aircraft position changes as not to confuse the control circuits.

I don't think you understand what is involved.

[ElNono]

LOL...

Not complicated? To replicate a minimum four GPS signals?

It takes three signals to determine a 2D coordinate, and 4 signals to determine 3D coordinates.

I didn't see anything linked that explained how it was done, just that it was. My God. For a programmer to create a program to mimic four signals, and change the lag between them at the nanosecond or faster level as the aircraft position changes as not to confuse the control circuits.

I don't think you understand what is involved.

Are you dumb, blind or both? Post #45 in this thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5515161&postcount=45).

Includes math and applicability to both civilian and military GPS systems.

The signals don't have to come from different places. They're simply separate data streams. It's 'easy' because you can do the testing and debugging in pretty much any area and against off-the-shelf devices.

Have a read, then come back talking out of your ass again.

[ElNono]

LOL...

Tell me master baiter. Just how does one triangulate a signal in terrain that reflects signals and is effectively white noise, so time differential cannot be detected either.

You don't triangulate. You use trilateration using a moving object.

You're way behind in all this stuff. Catch up and then we can discuss it.

[Nbadan]

Remember this?

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/vandier34/iran_AP11120817113_620x350.jpg

Turns out the drone was real..


Iran has given Russia a copy of a US spy drone as proof that its elite forces have reverse-engineered and mass produced the American unmanned aerial vehicle they claim to have captured a year ago.

Iranian media reported yesterday that the copy of the ScanEagle drone was provided to Russia on the sidelines of a meeting in Tehran between Farzad Esmayeeli, the air defence commander of Khatam al-Anbia, the Revolutionary Guards' military and industrial base, and Viktor Bondarev, head of the Russian air force.

In December 2012, a guards' commander said his forces had got their hands on a ScanEagle, promising Tehran would mass produce it. The US authorities denied those claims at the time, saying all its drones were fully accounted for.

"The drone built by the Islamic republic's Revolutionary Guards is a symbol of the technical capabilities of the Islamic Iran and today we presented a real model of it as a gift to Russian air force … and the Russian people," Esmayeeli said after meeting with Bondarev, according to the semi-official Fars news agency.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/21/iran-russia-us-scaneagle-spy-drone-production-capture

In fact, the US was gonna launce a covert strike to try and recover the drone..

Fallen U.S. Drone Nearly Led to Covert Strike in Iran
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/12/fallen-us-drone-nearly-led-covert-strike-iran/45857/


New reports on the CIA drone lost in Iran last week reveal the scope of the stealth plane's mission and just how far the U.S. was willing to go to recover it. The Associated Press reports on Wednesday that despite U.S. military statements Monday suggesting the drone was lost while flying a mission in western Afghanistan, Iranian officials say the RQ-170 drone was detected about 140 miles from the border of Afghanistan, deep inside the country's air space. U.S. officials, speaking on background, confirmed the RQ-170 drone had been spying on Iran for years but did not indicate the extent to which it penetrated Iranian air space. They did say the U.S. air base in Shindad, Afghanistan, was designed to launch "surveillance missions and even special operations missions into Iran if deemed necessary."

In a sign of how badly the U.S. wanted the stealth drone back, The Wall Street Journal reports that it contemplated three different operations to recover the fallen drone. One plan involved sending commandos in Afghanistan assisted by U.S. agents in Iran to track down and recover the drone. "Another option would have had a team sneak in to blow up the remaining pieces of the drone," reports the Journal. "A third option would have been to destroy the wreckage with an airstrike."
In the end, officials decided not to carry out the mission for two reasons: a) they feared the strike could be considered an "act of war" and b) it crashed in such a remote area of Iran that officials hoped it wouldn't be found "therefore, leaving the remains where they were could be the safest option."

[lefty]

looks like a drone Obama would have designed

[Nbadan]

Are you drinking again?

[Chief Brody]

Just wait till the Iranians get their hands on a Star Destroyer

[Spurs da champs]

Remember this?

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/vandier34/iran_AP11120817113_620x350.jpg

Turns out the drone was real..



Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/21/iran-russia-us-scaneagle-spy-drone-production-capture


Just to clarify a couple of things, the drone being mass produced is a ScanEagle:

http://images.gizmag.com/hero/faa-uav.jpg

The drone you have pictured was the Rq-170, big difference.

[Nbadan]

Just to clarify a couple of things, the drone being mass produced is a ScanEagle:

http://images.gizmag.com/hero/faa-uav.jpg

The drone you have pictured was the Rq-170, big difference.

That is the plane they gave Russia, but initial reports from Tehran said they also had a RQ-170 Sentinel stealth

[Winehole23]

http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/flying-hacker-contraption-hunts-other-drones-turns-them-into-zombies/

[Nbadan]

Serial hacker Samy Kamkar has released all the hardware and software specifications that hobbyists need to build an aerial drone that seeks out other drones in the air, hacks them, and turns them into a conscripted army of unmanned vehicles under the attacker's control.

Dubbed SkyJack, the contraption uses a radio-controlled Parrot AR.Drone quadcopter carrying a Raspberry Pi circuit board, a small battery, and two wireless transmitters. The devices run a combination of custom software and off-the-shelf applications that seek out wireless signals of nearby Parrot drones, hijack the wireless connections used to control them, and commandeer the victims' flight-control and camera systems. SkyJack will also run on land-based Linux devices and hack drones within radio range. At least 500,000 Parrot drones have been sold since the model was introduced in 2010.

:lol