View Full Version : Did it ever occur to you that the Lakers are a flagship franchise because...
DrHouse
12-09-2011, 03:09 AM
...they have first class management, coaches, and personnel all the way up and down the chain.
It's not all about money and markets. Look at NYK, they've sucked for decades despite having monstrous payrolls.
pass1st
12-09-2011, 03:12 AM
Been saying LALs FO is the best in the league, they will make things work.
BRHornet45
12-09-2011, 03:12 AM
son who gives a fuck? we all (not just Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets fans) got shit on tonight. what the NBA did tonight is a shame and yet another tarnishing moment in their pathetic history.
Please go on, so interesting!
TDMVPDPOY
12-09-2011, 03:19 AM
son who gives a fuck? we all (not just Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets fans) got shit on tonight. what the NBA did tonight is a shame and yet another tarnishing moment in their pathetic history.
ur in favor of a superteam, while ur team gets the short end of the stick in a lopsided trade....?
with or without those players going to ur team, NOH is still lottery bound, its just a matter of whether you think payin 40m for trash to tank a season...when u can save that 40m and spend it on FAs
Obstructed_View
12-09-2011, 03:20 AM
Gotta love Lakerfan's dedication to trying to convince a Spurs message board how superior their team is.
ChumpDumper
12-09-2011, 03:28 AM
...they have first class management, coaches, and personnel all the way up and down the chain.Their fans are gaping vaginas though.
BRHornet45
12-09-2011, 03:31 AM
ur in favor of a superteam, while ur team gets the short end of the stick in a lopsided trade....?
with or without those players going to ur team, NOH is still lottery bound, its just a matter of whether you think payin 40m for trash to tank a season...when u can save that 40m and spend it on FAs
son the Hornets have been in the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years so what the hell are you talking about? Chris Paul has missed an average of 20 games each of the last two seasons due to his knee. how did the Hornets get the short end of the stick on this? lopsided trade? are you fucking stupid?
if anything the Lakers and Rockets gave up a bit too much. The Hornets got 4 quality players in Odom, Martin, Scola, and Dragic as well as 2 draft picks. put the damn bong down son.
ChumpDumper
12-09-2011, 03:32 AM
son the Hornets have been in the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years so what the hell are you talking about? Chris Paul has missed an average of 20 games each of the last two seasons due to his knee. how did the Hornets get the short end of the stick on this? lopsided trade? are you fucking stupid?They are just as shitty, only for more years.
TDMVPDPOY
12-09-2011, 03:39 AM
son the Hornets have been in the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years so what the hell are you talking about? Chris Paul has missed an average of 20 games each of the last two seasons due to his knee. how did the Hornets get the short end of the stick on this? lopsided trade? are you fucking stupid?
if anything the Lakers and Rockets gave up a bit too much. The Hornets got 4 quality players in Odom, Martin, Scola, and Dragic as well as 2 draft picks. put the damn bong down son.
if martin, scola, dragic is that damn good how come the rockets fail to make the playoffs last season, dont give me that shit they dont have yao...when there fans were boasting about 2nd best in the west...
Halberto
12-09-2011, 03:44 AM
The level of butthurtness on this forum is enormous
Axe Murderer
12-09-2011, 03:49 AM
...they have first class management, coaches, and personnel all the way up and down the chain.
It's not all about money and markets. Look at NYK, they've sucked for decades despite having monstrous payrolls.
sup scrah?
This forum was good for a long time but now is completely overrun with trolls. There simply isn't much quality basketball related discussion anymore and the lack of any moderation has killed what used to be a fun place to talk hoops.
Take care guys.
-House
BRHornet45
12-09-2011, 03:51 AM
if martin, scola, dragic is that damn good how come the rockets fail to make the playoffs last season, dont give me that shit they dont have yao...when there fans were boasting about 2nd best in the west...
well then according to your logic if Paul is so great then why haven't the Hornets won a championship yet or even came close? they have had numerous good players built around him over the last few years.
Lamar Odom, Martin, Scola, Dragic, and 2 draft picks for CP3 and his bum knee was a great trade. how can you argue otherwise?
Axe Murderer
12-09-2011, 03:55 AM
they have had numerous good players built around him over the last few years.
crofl
Red Hawk #21
12-09-2011, 05:40 AM
well then according to your logic if Paul is so great then why haven't the Hornets won a championship yet or even came close? they have had numerous good players built around him over the last few years.
Lamar Odom, Martin, Scola, Dragic, and 2 draft picks for CP3 and his bum knee was a great trade. how can you argue otherwise?
Fuck man, that team would've been beautiful to watch. Those are some very fundamentally sound basketball players. I think their chemistry would've been great as well.
NewcastleKEG
12-09-2011, 06:56 AM
Fuck man, that team would've been beautiful to watch. Those are some very fundamentally sound basketball players. I think their chemistry would've been great as well.
Scola is a nice 2nd post man
Odom didn't show up in a third of all Laker games..in NO....wow
Martin doesn't play defense
Dragic isn't a starter in this league
By next year it would be Scola, Martin and some shit contracts left
noob cake
12-09-2011, 07:05 AM
Scola is a nice 2nd post man
Odom didn't show up in a third of all Laker games..in NO....wow
Martin doesn't play defense
Dragic isn't a starter in this league
By next year it would be Scola, Martin and some shit contracts left
Paul/NBA/Stern just killed Paul's value. I don't think they will be many teams offering Hornets better value than 3 starters + 1 backup + 2 picks knowing that he won't resign (and will escape to the Lakers during FA)
Harry Callahan
12-09-2011, 08:15 AM
Paul/NBA/Stern just killed Paul's value. I don't think they will be many teams offering Hornets better value than 3 starters + 1 backup + 2 picks knowing that he won't resign (and will escape to the Lakers during FA)
If LA is unable to trade for Paul now, I don't think they are in any position to sign a top quality free agent next year (for more than the MLE). You have to remember there is still a salary cap. S and T's are LA's vehicle to acquire potential 2012 free agents.
If I recall, the key Laker trade pieces are all on contracts beyond 2012. I'm pretty sure Kobe, Gasol and Bynum have multiple years left. In addition, LAL are waaaay over the cap. One expiring deal is not getting them under the salary cap unless it's Bryant's deal. I'm less sure about LO's contract.
To get any high quality player, LA must shed contracts. With Chrissy Paul not being available to them now, an older declining Laker team becomes less attractive for the time being. I guess Dwight Howard is still blinded by the LA lights, so we'll see. We do know he can't get it done as the Alpha on a team.
It's also very possible that Kobe's days of carrying a team to the finish line may be over as well.
The unfortunate thing for the Lakers is that the trade information leak demonstrates to the Gasol and LO is that management does not believe in them anymore. Can Mike Brown get that locker room in order? I would wonder about that. Times may be a changin out on the left coast.
whitemamba
12-09-2011, 08:17 AM
this was a disgrace on David Sterns part. its official the NBA is rigged, this shit didnt make any sense at all. imo lakers got the worst end of it.
Giuseppe
12-09-2011, 08:24 AM
this was a disgrace on David Sterns part. its official the NBA is rigged, this shit didnt make any sense at all. imo lakers got the worst end of it.
Only thing worse would be if the trade went thru.
Mitch & the Buss children will have to grab some jacks & timbers and start back down.
whitemamba
12-09-2011, 08:27 AM
http://i.imgur.com/jPIaO.jpg
david stern... hell get ya!
DeadlyDynasty
12-09-2011, 09:10 AM
...they have first class management, coaches, and personnel all the way up and down the chain.
It's not all about money and markets. Look at NYK, they've sucked for decades despite having monstrous payrolls.
Mah n.igga....welcome back :toast
...they have first class management, coaches, and personnel all the way up and down the chain.
It's not all about money and markets. Look at NYK, they've sucked for decades despite having monstrous payrolls.
The Lakers have a 1st class front office. They understand the demographics in their market very well. Their fan base is largely comprised of legriding bandwaggoners, and the Lakers know these types are the ones who buy merchandise.
The large market doesn't hurt.
However, to be quite honest, a team from a small market like, oh.. San Antonio, that can muster 4 rings during the Lakers' prime years truly has a great front office, because they don't go out and suck their way to the best players other teams have to offer.
Jerry Buss is a crafty businessman.
ChumpDumper
12-09-2011, 01:26 PM
Pretty much the beneficiary of being in LA first and willing to spend some money. They continuously take advantage of small market teams to make themselves better.
Shaq.
Kobe.
Pau.
Paul.
Well, maybe not Paul.
Yet.
the contracts of bynum, walton, blake, metta world peace, and vujacic beg to differ.
Pelicans78
12-09-2011, 02:42 PM
Basically the Hornets roster would have looked like this:
C Okafor (very good defensive center, solid offensively, pretty good overall)
PF Odom, Scola (Versatile PF who can defend and score. Scola is a good scorer)
SF Ariza, Pondexter (Excellent defender, but shitty offensively. Backup is a project)
SG Martin (Excellent scorer, poor defender, but Ariza would bail him out defensively)
PG Jack, Dragic (Solid at best. Would need an upgrade)
Basically, 3 of the starter would be excellent defenders. Martin can score. Odom's versatile. Plus, the Hornets wouldn't be done. They may have traded Odom elsewhere.
Nathan89
12-09-2011, 02:45 PM
^ Scola would start. Dragic might also.
Pelicans78
12-09-2011, 02:49 PM
^ Scola would start. Dragic might also.
I would hope not. His defense blows. Scola would be better used off the bench for his scoring.
Dragic may start, but Monty would trust Jack more. Also, wonder if the Hornets would place a bid for Billups.
ChumpDumper
12-09-2011, 02:54 PM
That's a stunningly mediocre team.
You dodged a bullet.
Where's that new owner you were talking about?
Mav-elous Man
12-09-2011, 02:55 PM
Their fans are gaping vaginas though.
This is true. Your insight is astute.
Pelicans78
12-09-2011, 03:03 PM
That's a stunningly mediocre team.
You dodged a bullet.
Where's that new owner you were talking about?
It won't happen till the new lease is signed.
ChumpDumper
12-09-2011, 03:09 PM
It won't happen till the new lease is signed.Why would an ownerless team sign a long term lease?
That makes no sense whatsoever. It could be a disaster of epic proportion.
Pelicans78
12-09-2011, 03:13 PM
Why would an ownerless team sign a long term lease?
That makes no sense whatsoever. It could be a disaster of epic proportion.
Because, it means long-term security for the team. The previous lease wasn't great for the Hornets. So the new owner was waiting for the new CBA, 10,000 season tickets, and a brand new lease which is more favorable. Once the new lease is signed, then the ownership will be announced. If there is no long-term lease, then no owner. That's common knowledge in New Orleans.
ChumpDumper
12-09-2011, 03:25 PM
Because, it means long-term security for the team. The previous lease wasn't great for the Hornets. So the new owner was waiting for the new CBA, 10,000 season tickets, and a brand new lease which is more favorable. Once the new lease is signed, then the ownership will be announced. If there is no long-term lease, then no owner. That's common knowledge in New Orleans.What if no one buys the team?
ChumpDumper
12-09-2011, 03:26 PM
And you really need to stop pimping the artificially inflated season ticket count.
Pelicans78
12-09-2011, 03:32 PM
What if no one buys the team?
They have an owner in place. They had multiple goals when the team was sold to the league.
1) Get rid of the massive debt from the previous owner. Done
2) Establish more corporate sponsorships. Done
3) Have a new CBA. Done
4) Sell 10,000 season tickets. Done. Artificial or not. Someone bought them.
5) Sign a long-term lease.
6) New owner announced.
djohn2oo8
12-09-2011, 03:56 PM
That would have Kept N.O. somewhat competitive.
ChumpDumper
12-09-2011, 04:01 PM
They have an owner in place. Who?
Why would he want all those tens of millions of dollars in new obligations he didn't have yesterday?
ChumpDumper
12-09-2011, 04:28 PM
And was he even asked if he liked the trade?
Obstructed_View
12-09-2011, 05:06 PM
They have an owner in place.
Yes, it's called the NBA.
http://neworleanscitybusiness.com/blog/2011/12/08/hornets-hit-10000-season-ticket-mark/
As of yesterday, there's no prospective ownership group, just a goal of finding one early in the new year.
As Chump said, I'd be interested in seeing what the Chris Paul trade does to the value of the team.
well then according to your logic if Paul is so great then why haven't the Hornets won a championship yet or even came close? they have had numerous good players built around him over the last few years.
Lamar Odom, Martin, Scola, Dragic, and 2 draft picks for CP3 and his bum knee was a great trade. how can you argue otherwise?
teams built round a PG never win championships. rockets used to be stern's love baby but he has lost favor in them since the 7'6 mascot has retired
Trade doesn't make business sense if you are the owner of the Hornets. None of the people mentioned outside of Paul can sell a single ticket.
It's not about being a mid level team. The Hornets are already that.
It's about causing fans to want to watch the Hornets, to get excited about the prospects the Hornets have of competing on the big stage. It's not about fielding a decent team.
Fans that know they aren't going to win it all still have the comfort of "we have the best PG in the league".
Who's going to wear the Odom jersey, or the Scola jersey in New Orleans?
No one.
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