Richard Jefferson is at Spurs Practice Right Now

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It's going to be scary if the Spurs run out of options and decide to hang on to RJ.


Another offseason, another swift kick in the nuts.

Monroe_SA Mike Monroe
Richard Jefferson IS at Spurs practice right now

[timtonymanu]

Fml

[weebo]

:lol

[elemento]

Welcome back Dick

We love u :lmao

[baseline bum]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[MaNu4Tres]

Makes sense, unfortunately.

[Mugen]

"our bad RJ, here's another 54 million" - Holt

[Wombatzu]

So does that mean he can still be traded?

[mexicanjunior]

If he can't be moved, time to consider tanking the season and moving TP for draft picks...

[portnoy1]

I would definitely keep him since the Spurs lost out on their other options. RJ is the only legit SF that the Spurs have. Maybe he can be used to get David West in a trade somehow???????

[NASpurs]

I'm guessing the last few days have been just a bunch of made up shit then.

[Mel_13]

I would definitely keep him since the Spurs lost out on their other options. RJ is the only legit SF that the Spurs have. Maybe he can be used to get David West in a trade somehow???????

Yeah, Stern's gonna let the the Hornets take RJ for West.

[DesignatedT]

Why the fuck did we leak it if we weren't sure about doing it? Or waiting for a replacement first?

[portnoy1]

If he can't be moved, time to consider tanking the season and moving TP for draft picks...
When it comes to TP, trading him doesn't mean tanking the season. I highly doubt the Spurs start losing games at a drastic rate once he is gone. I would also expect RJ to come out from that spot in the corner if they move TP.

Its funny how people think the Spurs will suck without TP. Dudes a solid player, its just people dont realize how he affects other players.

[024]

spurs: standing pat™

[hater]

:lmao Spurs

:lmao drunk RC

[FkLA]

http://i.imgur.com/XFjvB.gif

[Russ]

How is RJ feeling now?

Could this be a motivational ploy?

Can RJ be "scared straight"?

[DarkGinobili]

How is RJ feeling now?

Could this be a motivational ploy?

Can RJ be "scared straight"?


LOL!:lol:lol

[Mel_13]

What a clusterf#@k

[DJ Mbenga]

odom is at lakers practice too. some rejects cant take a hint

[portnoy1]

Yeah, Stern's gonna let the the Hornets take RJ for West.
I think he would, Its not like their is a huge landslide in the West all of a sudden cause of the Spurs getting West. Besides the Spurs are a small market team, its those big markets that stern screwing over. If the Spurs asked for a similar trade that Lakers did involving Paul using Manu, Parker and a lets say (Blair) Deal would've been done already IMHO.

[mexicanjunior]

When it comes to TP, trading him doesn't mean tanking the season. I highly doubt the Spurs start losing games at a drastic rate once he is gone. I would also expect RJ to come out from that spot in the corner if they move TP.

Its funny how people think the Spurs will suck without TP. Dudes a solid player, its just people dont realize how he affects other players.

Do you believe the Spurs would not be a lottery team if TJ Ford started the entire season in place of Parker?

[Mel_13]

I think he would

:lol

Ok, now we just have to convince Demps that he needs RJ at 3yrs/30M.

[NASpurs]

odom is at lakers practice too. some rejects cant take a hint

I heard their keycards didn't work at the practice facilities either. These guys sure are persistent.

[portnoy1]

Do you believe the Spurs would not be a lottery team if TJ Ford started the entire season in place of Parker?
1 - If TJ can stay healthy 2 - If they incorporate RJ in the offense I dont see the Spurs being any type of lottery team, unless the worse happens. Duncan or Manu out for the season or injured for most of it.

The offense would change a bit without him. Kinda like the Nuggets, they fed and fed Melo. Then when he left the other players got legit chances to make plays and take shots and they did fine.

[Splits]

odom is at lakers practice too. some rejects cant take a hint


He is? (http://tracking.si.com/2011/12/09/lamar-odom-skips-first-day-of-lakers-training-camp-after-failed-chris-paul-trade/?sct=hp_t2_a6&eref=sihp)

Lamar Odom Skips First Day of Lakers Training Camp After Failed Chris Paul Trade
CHRIS PAUL, LAMAR ODOM, LOS ANGELES LAKERS, NBA | COMMENTS

NBA star Lamar Odom did not report to Lakers training camp today, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Odom voiced his displeasure Thursday over his involvement in the failed Chris Paul trade deal and told the LA Times, “Maybe I’ll see you [at training camp], but I doubt it. You don’t want to go to no place you’re not wanted.”

[portnoy1]

:lol

Ok, now we just have to convince Demps that he needs RJ at 3yrs/30M.
Now that's an entirely different problem altogether. Maybe Pop and Rc can talk about the good ol' days and then bring up RJ after a few (10 or more) drinks......

[MaNu4Tres]

:lol

Ok, now we just have to convince Demps that he needs RJ at 3yrs/30M.

Sign Landry.

Trade R.J/Blair for Ariza ? Bueller?

[Mel_13]

Now that's an entirely different problem altogether. Maybe Pop and Rc can talk about the good ol' days and then bring up RJ after a few (10 or more) drinks......

Pop will have to bring the special stuff up from the cellar....

[Dex]

Let's trade RJ for Odom. One malcontent for another!

[portnoy1]

Sign Landry.

Trade R.J/Blair for Ariza + inferior filler? Bueller?
Ariza makes a 3-4 million less than RJ per year. That filler would have to be J-Jack or something of his type contract.

[portnoy1]

Pop will have to bring the special stuff up from the cellar....
And then hope and pray, that RC doesnt drink it all in the car on their way to Demps' place.

[Mel_13]

Sign Landry.

Trade R.J/Blair for Ariza ? Bueller?

I don't think there's much chance we see NOH adding any long term financial commitments, but it's worth a call. All they can do is say no, just like everyone else they've talked to so far.

[Mel_13]

And then hope and pray, that RC doesnt drink it all in the car on their way to Demps' place.

:toast

[hater]

"...and then Dick Jefferson showed up for practice"

http://rotoninjas.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Heat-3-Laughing-e1292094297318.jpg

[Solid D]

CjNPH06A24g

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't think there's much chance we see NOH adding any long term financial commitments, but it's worth a call. All they can do is say no, just like everyone else they've talked to so far.

It's certainly worth a call, R.J makes only 8 more million than Ariza over the next 3 years. Ariza was worse than R.J last year.

[underdawg]

At what point does it become apparent that this FO is not able to make the Spurs a legitmate contender now that the big 3 have faded.

I get it that the Spurs were extremely fortunate to get Duncan through the draft, but the other FO moves (& picks) in the years after that (Tony, Manu, S. Jackson, Bowen, Horry, etc.) were just as important.

Neal was a pretty good pick up, but I'd have to guess that was more of pure luck than well done scouting. Leonard & Anderson might end up being good, but will their success overshadow - RJ, Scola, J. Butler, Bonner, Ian, G. Hill, Finley, Udoka, Bogans, etc.?

[hater]

CjNPH06A24g

:lol

[Gregzilla]

At what point does it become apparent that this FO is not able to make the Spurs a legitmate contender now that the big 3 have faded.

I get it that the Spurs were extremely fortunate to get Duncan through the draft, but the other FO moves (& picks) in the years after that (Tony, Manu, S. Jackson, Bowen, Horry, etc.) were just as important.

Neal was a pretty good pick up, but I'd have to guess that was more of pure luck than well done scouting. Leonard & Anderson might end up being good, but will their success overshadow - RJ, Scola, J. Butler, Bonner, Ian, G. Hill, Finley, Udoka, Bogans, etc.?

This.

[timvp]

:smchode:

[Seventyniner]

I don't think there's much chance we see NOH adding any long term financial commitments, but it's worth a call. All they can do is say no, just like everyone else they've talked to so far.

This is why, depending on what young players/picks the Hornets can pry out of another team for Chris Paul, we could yet see a RJ/Dice/Blair for Ariza/Okafor trade; it clears out $10+M in salary for 2012-2013 and 2013-2014. If it takes a pick to get it done, I think it would be well worth it.

Yes, I'm aware that this is homer talk. But isn't this the place for it?

[mexicanjunior]

1 - If TJ can stay healthy 2 - If they incorporate RJ in the offense I dont see the Spurs being any type of lottery team, unless the worse happens. Duncan or Manu out for the season or injured for most of it.


Spurs have had 2 years to incorporate RJ into the offense...it is not going to happen. He is too hesitant to shoot or drive to the rim on a consistent basis. Add to this that he would be bitter about the amnesty leaks prior to today and I believe he would be nothing but a sulking mess if he stayed here another season.

I initially liked the Ford signing as a Parker backup until I saw the notes from Timvp about how awful he has been since his neck injury. Seems like his days as a starter are way behind him.

As much as I love and respect Tim and Manu during their tenures here, they can no longer carry the load for a team themselves. Better to start the process of trying to improve the team for the future than running in place this season.

Now, if we can pickup a big like Kaman or West, plus get a competent SF to replace Jefferson while allowing Leonard and Anderson to improve...I am all for giving it another shot.

[Duncan2177]

:bang

[portnoy1]

It's certainly worth a call, R.J makes only 8 more million than Ariza over the next 3 years. Ariza was worse than R.J last year.
Have to disagree with you there. He is much better fit with the spurs, simply because he can shoot the corner 3 and doesn't have confidence issues. And then first and foremost he plays serious D. In the hornets offense they allow players a certain amount freedom, even though its not always productive. Thats what RJ needs, and Ariza doesnt.

[TimmehC]

Let's trade RJ for Odom. One malcontent for another!

I realize this is a joke, but... it doesn't actually sound that bad. We'd have to give the Lakers something else obviously, but still.

[DarkGinobili]

:bang:depressed:(:rolleyes

[ElNono]

Don't do this to me. Don't wanna hear: "How Dick stole christmas"...

[portnoy1]

Spurs have had 2 years to incorporate RJ into the offense...it is not going to happen. He is too hesitant to shoot or drive to the rim on a consistent basis. They run more motion and iso plays for him an he gets rewarded when he runs in transition. I see all this take place when Parker is hurt.

[DarkGinobili]

Don't do this to me. Don't wanna hear: "How Dick stole christmas"...

:lol

[portnoy1]

. Dont expect him to be in a spurs Uni long after the way the FO talked about him being a pussy.
I thought thats what dice said about him???

[Master splitter]

Rj, Blair, Bonner, and future 1st rounder for Josh smith. Then we sign kaman.
C.kaman,splitter
Pf.Duncan,Josh smith,Doug Thomas
Sf.kawahi,butler,green
Sg.Manu,Anderson
P.Parker,tj ford,Cj

Or Rj, Parker, Blair for Josh smith, Jeff teage,Z.pachoulia

[hater]

They are gonna hang on to him and see if he can bring back a big somehow. Dont expect him to be in a spurs Uni long after the way the FO talked about him being a pussy.

In Dick's world that is probably a huge compliment

[slick'81]

so im confused did the spurs amnesty dick or not damn can this off-season get any better

[Master splitter]

Lol forgot about Neal

[mexicanjunior]

They run more motion and iso plays for him an he gets rewarded when he runs in transition. I see all this take place when Parker is hurt.

Big assumption there...guess we won't know until it happens.

[Fireball]

This whole RJ thing and the fact that the Spurs cannot a acquire an adequate small forward is not funny anymore ...

[ace3g]

from @spurs

http://s1-02.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/468532229.jpg

[Bruno]

It's logical that Spurs hesitates on whether or not using the amnesty clause on RJ because it's a complicate situation with a lot of parameters to consider.

Like it or not, but if Spurs can't find a good SF on the FA market, they are better on the court by keeping RJ. With George Hill gone, I expect RJ to be a little less bad on the court. He will have more scoring opportunities. The financial consequences of waiving him are also far from being obvious.

Spurs can very well end up using the amnesty clause on RJ but it's a though decision to make. It certainly isn't the no-brainer some of you think it is.

[Mel_13]

from @spurs



No Dice.

[slick'81]

spurs are not better with that mental midget rj on the floor. the only reason hed stay is the spurs cant find any decent sf for less willing to come to sa.

[ElNono]

from @spurs

http://s1-02.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/468532229.jpg

Three things stand out here...

1) Dickie is there
2) McDyess isn't there
3) Blair is the fattest, and it's not close

[MaNu4Tres]

from @spurs

http://s1-02.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/468532229.jpg

No Corey Joseph? Huh?

[portnoy1]

Big assumption there...guess we won't know until it happens.
Its happened already (especially the 09-10 season) I am not assuming anything, I've seen it.

[DesignatedT]

Kawhi Leonard born in 91 :wow.

I knew this, just crazy to see it on paper. Man he's young.

[ElNono]

No Corey Joseph? Huh?

That too

[Bruno]

No Dice.

Yep, no Dice.
Training camps invite are Devin Gibson, Frank Hassell, Doug Thomas and Tom Zeller. After a quick google search, it seems that none of them has even a remote shot at making the team.

[DesignatedT]

So our first round pick isn't even in camp. I hated that Joseph pick and continue to hate it.

[Master splitter]

Funny how spurs made another mistake. Lol

[ElNono]

So our first round pick isn't even in camp. I hated that Joseph pick and continue to hate it.

TJ Ford baby! :lobt2:

[dallasmaverickslose]

This whole RJ thing and the fact that the Spurs cannot a acquire an adequate small forward is not funny anymore ...

Makes me want to shoot myself

[Texas_Ranger]

SF position is not really a problem when you look at our pathetic F/C line.

[Splits]

No Corey Joseph? Huh?

All this means is that Joseph is not under contract yet.

[SenorSpur]

It's going to be scary if the Spurs run out of options and decide to hang on to RJ.


Another offseason, another swift kick in the nuts.

Monroe_SA Mike Monroe
Richard Jefferson IS at Spurs practice right now

Stern probably called the Spurs and told them that they could not use the amnesty clause on RJ.

[mexicanjunior]

Its happened already (especially the 09-10 season) I am not assuming anything, I've seen it.

If you are hinging your assumption on a spurt of decent play from RJ during a Parker injury 2 years ago, I really can't argue with it.

[portnoy1]

With George Hill gone, I expect RJ to be a little less bad on the court. He will have more scoring opportunities.
More scoring opportunities like taking more 3's.

Its not the amount of shots RJ gets its the quality. If he takes 7shots (2 from behind the arc, 2 post iso, 2 off curls 1 in transition) he is gonna get you alot of points.

If you give him 7shots(1 in transition 6 from behind the arc) your return wont be that good unless he is lighting it from 3.

[ace3g]

apparently Joseph isn't there yet because of Visa clearance per McD

[stephen jackson]

i was born in 91 and doin nothing with my life :(

[Splits]

So our first round pick isn't even in camp. I hated that Joseph pick and continue to hate it.

Or....

https://twitter.com/#!/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/145252263647125504


@JMcDonald_SAEN
Jeff McDonald
Cory Joseph (Canada) is still wading through visa process. That's why he's not here.
1 minute ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply
from San Antonio, TX

[Master splitter]

Is there a trade deadline this season?

[tmtcsc]

Can RJ be "scared straight"?

:lol Best line of the day.

[Mel_13]

Is there a trade deadline this season?

March 15th

[DesignatedT]

Or....

https://twitter.com/#!/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/145252263647125504

Still hate the pick.

[lefty]

WTF ???????



That's it








I've had enough















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[smrattler]

I'm sure someone already asked this... but:

Is it possible to trade Jefferson and then his new team give him the amnesty slap?

[GSH]

Lamar Odom doesn't show up for practice, because the Lakers were going to trade him. Right now, RJ is like someone's backup date for the prom - and he shows up like nothing happened. Not sure which is more pathetic.

[Trill Clinton]

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[manufan10]

Three things stand out here...

1) Dickie is there
2) McDyess isn't there
3) Blair is the fattest, and it's not close

He outweighs T.J. Ford by 100 lbs. :wow :lol

[ace3g]

from Spurs FB:
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[smrattler]

He outweighs T.J. Ford by 100 lbs. :wow :lol


T.J. might look like a mis-shapen chicken wing to him, watch out.

[tmtcsc]

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[portnoy1]

He outweighs T.J. Ford by 100 lbs. :wow :lol
He outweighs Duncan by 15lbs and that big guy from the Hornets Aaron Gray was listed 270lbs.

In other news Whataburger in SA is enjoy a remarkble increase in sales over the past summer.

[DesignatedT]

So, did Dice have to make a decision today?

[Dex]

I'm sure someone already asked this... but:

Is it possible to trade Jefferson and then his new team give him the amnesty slap?

Possible? Yes. But no team in their right mind would want to waste their amnesty clause to do that, unless they were trying to shed an even bigger, more ridiculous contract which the Spurs would have to take on.

[Mel_13]

I'm sure someone already asked this... but:

Is it possible to trade Jefferson and then his new team give him the amnesty slap?

No, only the Spurs can use the amnesty on RJ. That possible loophole was closed in the final CBA negotiations.

[hater]

from Spurs FB:
http://itwouldsucktobeblack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/fat-black-man.jpg

[DesignatedT]

Still confused on the Dice situation... Is he retired now for sure?

[smrattler]

Possible? Yes. But no team in their right mind would want to waste their amnesty clause to do that, unless they were trying to shed an even bigger, more ridiculous contract which the Spurs would have to take on.


For example, the other team has a large salary they want to dump, but someone the Spurs could use. They swap, maybe throw in some other peices in the mix. Spurs keep the high salary player and the other team amnesties RJ. And maybe that team wants to dump salary this summer too, maybe we can throw some expiring in there too?

Just thinking maybe, maybe they can still use RJ in a trade like that. Remember supposedly the Spurs were shopping TP last year and kept insisting RJ be part of the deal? Well, we need TP now, so we won't trade him anymore. But maybe they can work a trade of some kind and still throw RJ in a trade and a team that wasn't going to use their amnesty before, now can take RJ and then use the amnesty?

I'm reaching, I know, just trying to think of how else we can get rid of him. Truth is maybe the Spurs really do want him and this was some sort of twisted way to light his fire one more time.

[manufan10]

from Spurs FB:
http://itwouldsucktobeblack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/fat-black-man.jpg

:lol

Side note: I'd like to try that burger.

[smrattler]

No, only the Spurs can use the amnesty on RJ. That possible loophole was closed in the final CBA negotiations.

Oh well, forget my previous post. :depressed

[ElNono]

from Spurs FB:
http://itwouldsucktobeblack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/fat-black-man.jpg

:lmao

[DesignatedT]

Burger looks disgusting.

[ElNono]

Still confused on the Dice situation... Is he retired now for sure?

Not until we hear official word... he could've permission to skip first day of training camp...

[Mel_13]

For example, the other team has a large salary they want to dump, but someone the Spurs could use. They swap, maybe throw in some other peices in the mix. Spurs keep the high salary player and the other team amnesties RJ. And maybe that team wants to dump salary this summer too, maybe we can throw some expiring in there too?

Just thinking maybe, maybe they can still use RJ in a trade like that. Remember supposedly the Spurs were shopping TP last year and kept insisting RJ be part of the deal? Well, we need TP now, so we won't trade him anymore. But maybe they can work a trade of some kind and still throw RJ in a trade and a team that wasn't going to use their amnesty before, now can take RJ and then use the amnesty?

I'm reaching, I know, just trying to think of how else we can get rid of him. Truth is maybe the Spurs really do want him and this was some sort of twisted way to light his fire one more time.

Only the Spurs can use the amnesty on RJ.

[GSH]

@JMcDonald_SAEN
Jeff McDonald
Cory Joseph (Canada) is still wading through visa process. That's why he's not here.
1 minute ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply
from San Antonio, TX


Apparently Janet Napolitano is keeping a close eye on Canadians this week.

[DesignatedT]

Not until we hear official word... he could've permission to skip first day of training camp...

So they print out a new list before every day of camp?

[ElNono]

So they print out a new list before every day of camp?

I'm sure the list gets updated if they sign somebody else too. I don't think it's a set-in-stone list.

[GSH]

I'm reaching, I know, just trying to think of how else we can get rid of him. Truth is maybe the Spurs really do want him and this was some sort of twisted way to light his fire one more time.


Voodoo priestess in the offseason didn't work. Even his head stayed the same size. That was our last, best hope.

[DesignatedT]

Gotcha. Thought he had to decide by today was why I'm wondering.

[Splits]

@JMcDonald_SAEN
Jeff McDonald
Pop says team has "a pretty good idea" of what's going to happen with McDyess, but unsure of the timing. Speculate away, tweeps.
6 minutes ago via web

[ElNono]

Gotcha. Thought he had to decide by today was why I'm wondering.

I'm pretty sure the decision should've been today too, otherwise his contract becomes guaranteed. That said, he could still be a trade piece.

[Trill Clinton]

So was Jefferson at the practice saying his goodbyes or was he participating, let a play know sumthing.

[Russ]

In Pop we trust.

Once the obvious solutions are gone, the brain trust kicks it up a gear and finds the Bowens of this world.

It's that balance between great options and no options -- its that nederland -- that's where the Spurs hit their zen.

I'm feelin it.:flag:

[DesignatedT]

So was Jefferson at the practice saying his goodbyes or was he participating, let a play know sumthing.

participating

[ElNono]

So was Jefferson at the practice saying his goodbyes or was he participating, let a play know sumthing.

He was handing out christmas gifts and Hershey's Kisses...

[timvp]

How is RJ feeling now?

Could this be a motivational ploy?

Can RJ be "scared straight"?

This has the early lead as the best post of the 2011-12 season :lol

[xtremesteven33]

The bar is set really low for RJ..just dont suck

[montgod]

I'm pretty sure the decision should've been today too, otherwise his contract becomes guaranteed. That said, he could still be a trade piece.

Is the deadline you speak of due to his contract or amnesty cause amnesty option doesn't have to be used till the 16th of Dec. from my understanding.

[Dr. Gonzo]

The bar is set really low for RJ..just dont suck

That's a pretty high bar for RJ.

[Hooks]

All of the listed weights are from either the combine or their rookie season so don't worry lol, Blair is probably at 250, Kawhi said he gained 15lbs this summer bringing him up to 240 etc.

[Trill Clinton]

participating

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/bhilde1/Vtrpp.gif


He was handing out christmas gifts and Hershey's Kisses...

I wish this was true, I really do:depressed

[alamo50]

Spurs will not sign Howard.
If they do, they do it because they are desperate.
He will not fit in with the group of players we got and Pop knows it.

[Dex]

For example, the other team has a large salary they want to dump, but someone the Spurs could use. They swap, maybe throw in some other peices in the mix. Spurs keep the high salary player and the other team amnesties RJ. And maybe that team wants to dump salary this summer too, maybe we can throw some expiring in there too?

Just thinking maybe, maybe they can still use RJ in a trade like that. Remember supposedly the Spurs were shopping TP last year and kept insisting RJ be part of the deal? Well, we need TP now, so we won't trade him anymore. But maybe they can work a trade of some kind and still throw RJ in a trade and a team that wasn't going to use their amnesty before, now can take RJ and then use the amnesty?

I'm reaching, I know, just trying to think of how else we can get rid of him. Truth is maybe the Spurs really do want him and this was some sort of twisted way to light his fire one more time.

Yeah, it's not completely out of the realm of possibility, but it's close. It would definitely have to come from a team who is looking to shed significant salary, and the Spurs would probably be left taking on a lot of that. I doubt they would be willing to do that unless it's a player that just absolutely fits our needs, and even then they'd probably be weary.

[gospursgojas]

Kinda ok with this....I was begining to think that he was the best option w what's now availavble sf wise.


Sadly

[pookenstein]

Dude, Blair has not seen 250 since high school, he is 300 plus, even at his lightest last year he was well above 280.

He doesn't look that fat to me. But maybe it's just the black shirt...


from Spurs FB:
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[ElNono]

Is the deadline you speak of due to his contract or amnesty cause amnesty option doesn't have to be used till the 16th of Dec. from my understanding.

Contract.

[Russ]

He doesn't look that fat to me. But maybe it's just the black shirt...

RJ - Does this Spurs uniform make me look fat? :hat

[The Truth #6]

This amnesty dangling BS could be some weird ass test by Pop to see how he responds and if he...wait for it, wait for it...GETS OVER HIMSELF.

Or more likely, the Spurs realize they don't need to amnesty him just yet and the smart move is to wait and see a few days and let the chaos settle a little bit. I'm not exactly a fan of this move though if that was the case I could understand it. I'd like to see RJ off the team.

I don't understand those who say the smart move is to hold on to him...sure if winning is not the priority and you only look at budgets. RJ will drag this team down ever further and prevent any progress in either direction - either rebuilding/tanking or just trying to win. I don't see how anyone can say RJ will help the team grow, play better defense, and get ready for a deep run in the playoffs. It's basically not possible.

[objective]

it will be an absolute abomination if they don't end up using the amnesty on RJ.

They finally have the chance to do what's truly best for the franchise, both on the court and financially.

I know that they love to make bad decisions, but I will actually pray tonight that they come to their senses.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

what tha motherfuck??? Even worse news is how every fucking knowledgeable poster knows the worst thing a new spur can do is miss training camp. If there were any doubt Joseph was going to stay in Austin all year, him missing even a few days of camp means we won't even see his face this season.

[Baseline]

All of the listed weights are from either the combine or their rookie season so don't worry lol, Blair is probably at 250, Kawhi said he gained 15lbs this summer bringing him up to 240 etc.


Blair is at 250? Which leg?

[Sean Cagney]

I'm guessing the last few days have been just a bunch of made up shit then.

Yep, and we get f in nothing as usual in FA, same damn team going into this year that got curbstomped in round one by the 8th seed! WHIPTY FUCKIN DOO! This team is done. :bang:bang:ihit

I miss the old Spurs.

[Bruno]

If you listen at RJ's interview, it clearly sounds like he isn't sure at all of still being with Spurs at the end of the camp. I still think Spurs have some trade options with RJ and they are in wait and see mode. If these trade options failed, they could re-think about amnestying him.

[jag]

Spurs will not sign Howard.
If they do, they do it because they are desperate.
He will not fit in with the group of players we got and Pop knows it.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/191508/jefferson.jpg

[timvp]

If you listen at RJ's interview, it clearly sounds like he isn't sure at all of still being with Spurs at the end of the camp. I still think Spurs have some trade options with RJ and they are in wait and see mode. If these trade options failed, they could re-think about amnestying him.

What trades do you have in mind? It's difficult to come up with any reasonable deals other than a horrible contract for a horrible contract.

[Bruno]

What trades do you have in mind? It's difficult to come up with any reasonable deals other than a horrible contract for a horrible contract.

If GS can get DeAndre Jordan, a deal around RJ for Biedrins.

[LakerHater]

Did yall see Manu hug'em!?

[timvp]

If GS can get DeAndre Jordan, a deal around RJ for Biedrins.

Yeah, horrible contract for horrible contract. I'd do it obviously if it came down to RJ or Biedrins even though Biedrins is scared to touch the ball nowadays.

[objective]

I can't imagine a team trading for him now when they have very good reason to think he'll just be amnestied by the 16th anyway. If they want him, they can wait. And if they have to wait until next season, they can still wait.

It would take a terrible decision maker to go for it. The only hope for that is that there are some of those left.

[objective]

Anything for RJ would be good. No, FAN-tastic.

Biedrins wouldn't play in crunchtime because of his free throws, but RJ was routinely benched in crunchtime during his tenure here.

[wildbill2u]

How many players that are the 4 option shoot FGs at 47% and 3 Pts at 44% and average 11 ppg? Not many. He may wind up being the best option to keep for another year since it doesn't look like we'll be pulling any great SF free agent rabbits out of the FO's hat.

[timvp]

Maybe RJ would agree to a buyout, like Rip Hamilton just did. The bonus for RJ is that he'd get to pick his destination. If he's amnestied, he'd be forced to go to whichever team claimed him.

For the Spurs, it'd be difficult to figure out how much to offer in a buyout because with a buyout his contract wouldn't come off the salary cap books. Plus the Spurs would have to factor in that if he's amnestied he'll likely be claimed.

I still think he gets amnestied but there are a couple of other options open. And really, there's no reason to rush right now. Even if RJ gets injured in training camp, that doesn't change anything. They can still amnesty an injured RJ. In fact, if he got injured seriously enough, the Spurs could get his salary covered by insurance and get a disabled player exception.

:stirpot:

[ChuckD]

1 - If TJ can stay healthy 2 - If they incorporate RJ in the offense I dont see the Spurs being any type of lottery team, unless the worse happens. Duncan or Manu out for the season or injured for most of it.

The offense would change a bit without him. Kinda like the Nuggets, they fed and fed Melo. Then when he left the other players got legit chances to make plays and take shots and they did fine.

TJ passes LESS than Parker and shoots worse. Take off those pink glasses.

[GSH]

This amnesty dangling BS could be some weird ass test by Pop to see how he responds and if he...wait for it, wait for it...GETS OVER HIMSELF.



Do you realize how sad a group of fans we are, that we actually have to think of things like this, and consider that they might be true? If it weren't for their track record of winning, how inexplicable a lot of their moves would be?

"Every draft day, the trees are filled with underwear.
Every offseason, the toilets explode."
http://kidsthosedays.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Animal-House.jpg

[TDMVPDPOY]

wtf do you clowns wanan trade for odom and his other half

havnt u learn ur lesson with parker on the team and his desp housewife...

fck the camera guy busy focusin on their wives then focusing on the game, fck that shit this aint a team of WAGS

[Mugen]

Maybe RJ would agree to a buyout, like Rip Hamilton just did. The bonus for RJ is that he'd get to pick his destination. If he's amnestied, he'd be forced to go to whichever team claimed him.

For the Spurs, it'd be difficult to figure out how much to offer in a buyout because with a buyout his contract wouldn't come off the salary cap books. Plus the Spurs would have to factor in that if he's amnestied he'll likely be claimed.

I still think he gets amnestied but there are a couple of other options open. And really, there's no reason to rush right now. Even if RJ gets injured in training camp, that doesn't change anything. They can still amnesty an injured RJ. In fact, if he got injured seriously enough, the Spurs could get his salary covered by insurance and get a disabled player exception.

:stirpot:

:lmao this sounds more like a threat than anything

[DPG21920]

Does anyone think packaging Blair with RJ is enough to entice a team to give up a player like Kaman/Biedrins/Varejao....?

[ChuckD]

"Every draft day, the trees are filled with underwear.
Every offseason, the toilets explode."
http://kidsthosedays.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Animal-House.jpg

:lol:rollin Perfect description of ST.

[ChuckD]

As sucky as this is for us, it can't be 1/10th as sucky as being one of The Faithful right now, having CP3 snatched out of your almost closed hands by Stern.

[slick'81]

As sucky as this is for us, it can't be 1/10th as sucky as being one of The Faithful right now, having CP3 snatched out of your almost closed hands by Stern.


not sure rj and bonner r still here about 50/50 tbh

[ChuckD]

not sure rj and bonner r still here about 50/50 tbh

No way. The Lakers just lost their path to the future.

[Nathan89]

Does anyone think packaging Blair with RJ is enough to entice a team to give up a player like Kaman/Biedrins/Varejao....?

Kaman-no. He's in the last year of his contract. It just doesn't make sense.
Varejao-Unlikely. As you said they have Casspi. Would need a third team to take RJ.
Biedrins-maybe. They both have bad contracts. Rj might just play well in that system. (not sure I would want to give of the amnesty option for this guy)

[lurker23]

What trades do you have in mind? It's difficult to come up with any reasonable deals other than a horrible contract for a horrible contract.

This probably qualifies as horrible contract for horrible contract(s), but this is the one I've been kicking around the most:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7pmov4v

[MaNu4Tres]

Anything for RJ would be good. No, FAN-tastic.

Biedrins wouldn't play in crunchtime because of his free throws, but RJ was routinely benched in crunchtime during his tenure here.

I thought there was no possibly circumstance for R.J to be traded? What happened to NO TRADE VALUE? NONE whatsoever? (NONE meaning not having good or bad trade value.)

[objective]

I thought there was no possibly circumstance for R.J to be traded? What happened to NO TRADE VALUE? NONE whatsoever? (NONE meaning not having good or bad trade value.)

He as NONE as in no value.

You want to pretend that a negative value is a good value, go ahead.

Depending on other teams being stupid enough to trade for him is like expecting the Clippers to choose RJ over Butler.

[MaNu4Tres]

Does anyone think packaging Blair with RJ is enough to entice a team to give up a player like Kaman/Biedrins/Varejao....?

Biedrins Yes.

Dyess/Blair package could probably net Varejao. IMO

[MaNu4Tres]

He as NONE as in no value.

You want to pretend that a negative value is a good value, go ahead.

Depending on other teams being stupid enough to trade for him is like expecting the Clippers to choose RJ over Butler.

I'm not pretending anything. I never pretended like R.J had good value.

Negative value doesn't mean no team would trade for him like you have been implying. Any player is trade-able in this league as Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas and Hedo Turkoglu have recently proven (which proves he does have some value, bad value but still trade-able value nonetheless).

[Seventyniner]

This probably qualifies as horrible contract for horrible contract(s), but this is the one I've been kicking around the most:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7pmov4v

This is my preferred scenario as well. Okafor is somewhat overpaid, but fits the Spurs like a glove. Ariza might be worse than RJ in talent, but a fresh start could always help, and at least he'd be different.

I just hope the Hornets go into full rebuild mode and are willing to shed those contracts.

[objective]

I'm not pretending anything. I never pretended like R.J had good value.

Negative value doesn't mean no team would trade for him like you have been implying. Any player is trade-able in this league as Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas and Hedo Turkoglu have recently proven (which proves he does have some value, bad value but still trade-able value nonetheless).

I've said it before and would say it again, I'd take Hedo's trash for RJ even though Hedo is garbage.

GS can just amnesty Biedrins for cap room. Hell, even trading for RJ they take on salary.

This board has been filled with ridiculous trades ideas for RJ that did not account for his lack of value. That has been the point.

[The_Worlds_finest]

If he can't be moved, time to consider tanking the season and moving TP for draft picks...

just how god damn stupid are u spurs will never trade parker

[Seventyniner]

This board has been filled with ridiculous trades ideas for RJ that did not account for his lack of value. That has been the point.

Could RJ have any value in allowing other teams to dump salary? Like the Okafor/Ariza thing, trading for RJ allows the Hornets to dump 2 3-year commitments while taking one back, cutting $31M in future salary.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I would gladly welcome Ariza and Okafor.

But wont the NBA look hypocritical for trading with anyone right now?

[ChuckD]

just how god damn stupid are u spurs will never trade parker

I'd certainly be calling the Hornets. Parker would be better than anything they've been offered so far for CP3, and they'd have him for 3 years.

[DesignatedT]

CP3 wouldn't sign an extension here :lol.

[ChuckD]

CP3 wouldn't sign an extension here :lol.

Then he'd make about $25M less on his next deal. If he doesn't, then you blow it up, but no player likes to leave money on the table. There are no dominant teams in the WC now. If you upgrade one position from borderline All Star to All NBA, it could put you over the top. If he gets that taste, he may not opt out, and give us another year. I think Tim leaves in 2000 if we don't win in 1999. The Spurs have to do something to stop the slow slide. Roll the dice and put it all on one number. The worst that happens is that he opts out and we start the inevitable re-build a year or two early.

[Dex]

JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald
Maybe the Spurs can convince Ashton Kutcher to show up and convince RJ he was just being Punk'd all along.
7 hours ago

[Calispursfan11]

Homeys, you gotta check out this great RJ interview. He actually comes off fairly well with a semblance of perspective. Most awkwardly of all, toward the end, Manu comes up behind RJ and starts humping him.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/09/rj-still-with-the-spurs-for-now/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

[stephen jackson]

lmao...
i just watched it
:rollin

[cutewizard]

TJ Ford does answer the need for a playmaker off the bench

now if we just can get a big.........we are set

[TDMVPDPOY]

manu looks good with a shave head...

speakin of which rj carried through that professionally

[TDMVPDPOY]

manu looks good with a shave head...

speakin of which rj carried through that professionally

[guillermo78228]

damn, I just noticed he was still in town, I had ksat news in the background, and saw him at training camp, I reached for the remote to raise the volume while saying "wtf" lol

[Mr. Body]

1. Joseph couldn't have, like, you know, started the Visa process a long time ago?

2. Richard Jefferson will be a Spur this year. All year. No amnesty. There are no good alternatives.

Have fun!

[DMC]

Blair is one year past being valuable in the market. If he has a good few months, he might be deadline material, but he had a pretty uninspiring year last season, I thought he gave the appearance of regression, but being a starter vs coming off the bench can probably do that to someone.

RJ.. ?

[DMC]

I would gladly welcome Ariza and Okafor.

But wont the NBA look hypocritical for trading with anyone right now?
Since when has the NBA cared about looking hypocritical?

[gospursgojas]

Rj carried himself very professionally...no crying to Stephen A....


"Manu? Oooo yeah thanks"

Compared to whats now available SF wise...RJ is kinda heads and shoulders above the rest. He knows more about the system than any newbie would. All we can do now is cross our fingers and see what happens.

[analyzed]

Let me remind you who were talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7TVjCOlqgU

[Calispursfan11]

Let me remind you who were talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7TVjCOlqgU

Lest it be forgotten, please be reminded that RJ was also responsible for one of the best dunks of last season when he rode David Lee like a donkey. Now what other Spur could you see pulling that one? See below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxTQa5dALtU

[venitian navigator]

I realy liked RJ interview.
Said all the right things anyone coiuld have said in a most complicated situation...looks hat he has a good personality.
Frankly, I don't know what is best, if him or a Butler coming from a season ending injury...(that looked like our first option on the market).
Imho the truth is that one of the roles we needed most to fill last year (long sf and defensive big) has already been filled with KL.
The new spot in need to be filled (back up pg because of the Hill trade) could probably have been filled better (joseph too young and inexperienced, TJ too injury prone and coming from his worst year) but only time willl tell if the "gamble" will pay dividends (and, however, that role can be still filled with Manu, Neal...with Anderson taking more minutes at the shooting guard position).

The point ius that the main role of need (athletic big with defense, shot blocking and rebounding...and possibly a good outside shot) has still to be filled...and that has been our main need last season and, probably, the main reason of our play off failure.
And the gap risk to be larger and larger with the possible Dice retirement (a Dice in his twentyes would have been the perfect player for whay we need)...and maybe Dice himself risk to be still the best solution to fiill that role.

[Fireball]

Who can blaim the Front Office for resigning RJ last year. This off-season much more quality free agents at SF were available and the Spurs were not able to attract anyone of them. The same goes for a big man.

If a trade is not an option I think its the best move to keep RJ around. I want Leonard to play good minutes, but I have not enough faith in Butler or Green.

Signing TJ Ford was ok, but I still hope we get a little surprise addition within the next week ...

[therealtruth]

Lest it be forgotten, please be reminded that RJ was also responsible for one of the best dunks of last season when he rode David Lee like a donkey. Now what other Spur could you see pulling that one? See below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxTQa5dALtU

That could have happened more often if TP was a better passer. It gets the team and the crowd pumped up and helps keep RJ more focused on defense.

[Russo21]

Well then maybe we should ship Tony out for a old school point guard

Nash comes to mind.

Nash would help RJ get back in form with alley oops and free lines to the bucket and even get Duncan hoppin again and giving him the ball in positions to score. Nash and Duncan? 2 x 2 time MVP's on the same team. That'd be Legendary.

With this trade you solve the issue of RJ being a piece of shit.

F/A Centre + Splitter
Duncan
Jeferson
Ginobili
Nash

Net any available centre and we're in business. RJ played his best ball alongside Jason Kidd. Swap tony for an old school pass first point guard and RJ may not be a waste of space for us again

[Russo21]

if all else fails and we cant get deadshit jefferson out of san antonio we should do this.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=87yx85j

Which would leave us with

Gortat
Duncan
Jefferson
Ginobili
Nash

Nash is the best playmaker in the NBA, He'd make life so much easier for Manu, RJ, Tim, Gortat, freakin everyone.

Gortat gives us a big mean presence at Centre finally, with size, toughness and attitude. And RJ should wind the clock back a few years with Nash sending him the rock constantly in positions to score. Nash is still he best passer in the association and can shoot like you cant believe. Nash will even make Duncan's life considerably easier having a pure PG for once and Duncan will be helped immensely by Gortat having a big mean strong fearless dude fortyfying the paint with him.

Pull the trigger RC!

[dbestpro]

I can live with RJ on the team as Leonard can fill in when RJ gets in one of his moods if we can find away to get rid of Pop's addiction for Bonner either through trade, injury or pine time.

There is no hope as long as Pop still finds minutes for Bonner and Blair to be on the floor at the same time.

[Russo21]

Make some fucken moves front office! you're falling well behind the 8 ball

[elemento]

Jefferson stays, Mcdyess retires and we bring Oberto back for the min. That's our offseason guys. The best name we got in the offseason is TJ Ford :lol

[rascal]

Jefferson stays, Mcdyess retires and we bring Oberto back for the min. That's our offseason guys. The best name we got in the offseason is TJ Ford :lol

It is still early but the same thing happened last year as the options dried up as other teams were more agressive in making things happen.

[rascal]

if all else fails and we cant get deadshit jefferson out of san antonio we should do this.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=87yx85j

Which would leave us with

Gortat
Duncan
Jefferson
Ginobili
Nash

Nash is the best playmaker in the NBA, He'd make life so much easier for Manu, RJ, Tim, Gortat, freakin everyone.

Gortat gives us a big mean presence at Centre finally, with size, toughness and attitude. And RJ should wind the clock back a few years with Nash sending him the rock constantly in positions to score. Nash is still he best passer in the association and can shoot like you cant believe. Nash will even make Duncan's life considerably easier having a pure PG for once and Duncan will be helped immensely by Gortat having a big mean strong fearless dude fortyfying the paint with him.

Pull the trigger RC!

Never will happen. Parker will stay in San Antonio as long as Pop is here. I have always said that. Moving Parker is not the best move anyways.

[therealtruth]

Well then maybe we should ship Tony out for a old school point guard

Nash comes to mind.

Nash would help RJ get back in form with alley oops and free lines to the bucket and even get Duncan hoppin again and giving him the ball in positions to score. Nash and Duncan? 2 x 2 time MVP's on the same team. That'd be Legendary.

With this trade you solve the issue of RJ being a piece of shit.

F/A Centre + Splitter
Duncan
Jeferson
Ginobili
Nash

Net any available centre and we're in business. RJ played his best ball alongside Jason Kidd. Swap tony for an old school pass first point guard and RJ may not be a waste of space for us again

You make a good point. How good would the Spurs have been if they had a pass first point guard like Kidd. Maybe they win 6 titles? As good as Duncan has been he has had to work for most of his stuff. If he was getting lots of easy baskets from his point guard it would help him be even better and increase his longevity.

[DPG21920]

Fml

[CaptainLate]

It is still early but the same thing happened last year as the options dried up as other teams were more agressive in making things happen.

The results of being in a small market with small market-thinking owners. Had we not "lucked" out with DRob and TDuncan, this team would have been sold and moved 10+ years ago. Had we the same FO, but with a big time owner willing to spend $$, we would have had better role players in the 90's and beyond so that there would be no question of a dynasty with more titles than the Bulls(hit) of Chicago. Heck, we were so close to the Flakers and Boston that we could have won titles in the 80's had Iceman been surrounded by better role players.

[Josepatches_]

You make a good point. How good would the Spurs have been if they had a pass first point guard like Kidd. Maybe they win 6 titles? As good as Duncan has been he has had to work for most of his stuff. If he was getting lots of easy baskets from his point guard it would help him be even better and increase his longevity.


We won enough..we were the team we were. To keep Tony was the right decision.

But you have a point.TD could score better with a different kind of PG. Surely he could score 20ppg easily today if he only has to catch and shoot

[Fireball]

Surely he could score 20ppg easily today if he only has to catch and shoot

I don't buy that. E.g. Rondo is a distributing PG, but no way Garnett could average 20PPG - although he is a better jump shooter than TD. I think SGs and Wing players benefit much more from a distributing point guard than the man in the middle. Pick&Roll is another thing, but TP and TD already execute that ...

[rascal]

The results of being in a small market with small market-thinking owners. Had we not "lucked" out with DRob and TDuncan, this team would have been sold and moved 10+ years ago. Had we the same FO, but with a big time owner willing to spend $$, we would have had better role players in the 90's and beyond so that there would be no question of a dynasty with more titles than the Bulls(hit) of Chicago. Heck, we were so close to the Flakers and Boston that we could have won titles in the 80's had Iceman been surrounded by better role players.

Agree. It was frustrating seeing the Spurs come so close for years in the
1980s then again in the early 2000s(2000-2002 the Laker 3 peat) because the spurs were too gun shy(Sprewell) to add that one missing piece.

I doubt the Spurs fan base will support a loser for long after Duncan retires.
It would not be a surprise to see the team move to St. Louis in the future.

The St. Louis Spurs get used to it, it is the future.

[timvp]

Thinking about it some more, the Spurs need to hurry up and amnesty RJ. If they wait, teams with salary cap room will spend elsewhere. A big reason why waiving RJ this offseason is the increased chance a team will claim a decently large percentage of his contract.

Wait too much longer and there won't be many teams able to claim him even if they wanted to.

[ElNono]

Thinking about it some more, the Spurs need to hurry up and amnesty RJ. If they wait, teams with salary cap room will spend elsewhere. A big reason why waiving RJ this offseason is the increased chance a team will claim a decently large percentage of his contract.

Wait too much longer and there won't be many teams able to claim him even if they wanted to.

Exactly my thought. If they don't do it soon, they won't be able to. With the new lux tax rules looming next season, I don't foresee many teams spending much.

[baseline bum]

Thinking about it some more, the Spurs need to hurry up and amnesty RJ. If they wait, teams with salary cap room will spend elsewhere. A big reason why waiving RJ this offseason is the increased chance a team will claim a decently large percentage of his contract.

Wait too much longer and there won't be many teams able to claim him even if they wanted to.

Sorry man, I think we're stuck with another year of Dick.

[DesignatedT]

What the fuck is going on with Dice. This whole thing is pissing me off. Do something Spurs.

[Seventyniner]

Thinking about it some more, the Spurs need to hurry up and amnesty RJ. If they wait, teams with salary cap room will spend elsewhere. A big reason why waiving RJ this offseason is the increased chance a team will claim a decently large percentage of his contract.

Wait too much longer and there won't be many teams able to claim him even if they wanted to.

I'm not so sure; if there's any reasonable trade scenario out there, the Spurs have to try that first. The few million they'd save by a cap room team picking up part of RJ's contract pales to potentially getting full value (i.e. not having to pay a player not to play for you).

[baseline bum]

The results of being in a small market with small market-thinking owners. Had we not "lucked" out with DRob and TDuncan, this team would have been sold and moved 10+ years ago. Had we the same FO, but with a big time owner willing to spend $$, we would have had better role players in the 90's and beyond so that there would be no question of a dynasty with more titles than the Bulls(hit) of Chicago. Heck, we were so close to the Flakers and Boston that we could have won titles in the 80's had Iceman been surrounded by better role players.

You can't even compare the ownership in the 80s vs the 90s. Drossos went out and got the team Mitchell and Gilmore while McCombs let Strickland walk and was close to salary dumping DRob (according to Red himself). Yeah, the Scola salary dump was awful, but Holt has overall been a great owner for the team. He really stepped to the plate with the Parker extension and the Jefferson trade not to mention paying luxury tax to sign Finley and trade for Kurt Thomas. I wish the Spurs had Holt owning the team in the early 90s; we would have never seen the disaster of Vinny Del Negro and might have seen the team ring in DRob's prime.

[ElNono]

You can't even compare the ownership in the 80s vs the 90s. Drossos went out and got the team Mitchell and Gilmore while McCombs let Strickland walk and was close to salary dumping DRob (according to Red himself). Yeah, the Scola salary dump was awful, but Holt has overall been a great owner for the team. He really stepped to the plate with the Parker extension and the Jefferson trade not to mention paying luxury tax to sign Finley and trade for Kurt Thomas. I wish the Spurs had Holt owning the team in the early 90s; we would have never seen the disaster of Vinny Del Negro and might have seen the team ring in DRob's prime.

If Holt would've been THAT horrible, he couldn't have retained TD either. I don't agree with some of the moves this FO has done throughout the years, but they should also get credit for what they did right too.

[bigdog]

What the fuck is going on with Dice. This whole thing is pissing me off. Do something Spurs.

From Pop's interview, it sounds like the Spurs have something up their sleeve as far as handling Dice's contract. I'm certain it will be a trade.

[rascal]

You can't even compare the ownership in the 80s vs the 90s. Drossos went out and got the team Mitchell and Gilmore while McCombs let Strickland walk and was close to salary dumping DRob (according to Red himself). Yeah, the Scola salary dump was awful, but Holt has overall been a great owner for the team. He really stepped to the plate with the Parker extension and the Jefferson trade not to mention paying luxury tax to sign Finley and trade for Kurt Thomas. I wish the Spurs had Holt owning the team in the early 90s; we would have never seen the disaster of Vinny Del Negro and might have seen the team ring in DRob's prime.

Finley and Thomas were not such great moves. Over the hill vets.

[DesignatedT]

Finley was a great move. Integral part of the 06 and 07 teams. Would have gone b2b without Manu's foul on Dirk.

Saying that, Finley was kept around 2 years too long

[Mr. Body]

Finley was a great move. Pop just played him perhaps too long.

[baseline bum]

Finley and Thomas were not such great moves. Over the hill vets.

Finley was a great pickup for the team and Thomas was the best big available at the trade deadline for what the Spurs could offer (namely, Barry's expiring).

[rascal]

Finley was a great move. Integral part of the 06 and 07 teams. Would have gone b2b without Manu's foul on Dirk.

Saying that, Finley was kept around 2 years too long

No he wasn't. They won despite him. He shot .412 from the floor with 8 pts/gm in 2006/2007.

[rascal]

Finley was a great pickup for the team and Thomas was the best big available at the trade deadline for what the Spurs could offer (namely, Barry's expiring).

The best big man(Thomas) was not good enough. That is the Spurs mo, that is all they can get, it is the best they can do, some over the hill vet who just is not good enough.

[rascal]

Name one player the spurs have gotten through trade or free agency over the last 10 years that went on to make an all star team.

[ChumpDumper]

rascal, why do you watch the NBA?

Serious question.

[benefactor]

Name one player the spurs have gotten through trade or free agency over the last 10 years that went on to make an all star team.
lol popularity contests

[ChumpDumper]

rascal, how many All-Star level players need to be on one team in any given year?

Serious question.

[baseline bum]

The best big man(Thomas) was not good enough. That is the Spurs mo, that is all they can get, it is the best they can do, some over the hill vet who just is not good enough.

That team would have made the Finals if it wasn't for Ginobili getting hurt.

[baseline bum]

rascal, why are you bitching about the Spurs? When they were winning titles all you did was complain that they didn't run and weren't fun to watch. Now that they run you bitch about how they can't win titles. I mean, pick a fucking side other than butthurt.

[rascal]

rascal, why are you bitching about the Spurs? When they were winning titles all you did was complain that they didn't run and weren't fun to watch. Now that they run you bitch about how they can't win titles. I mean, pick a fucking side other than butthurt.

They don't run now. Under pop they have never been an open court fast paced offense.

You must not have remembered the early Gervin Spur teams.
Those were the most exciting teams the franchise ever had.

[rascal]

That team would have made the Finals if it wasn't for Ginobili getting hurt.

Every year it was another excuse for falling short. The manu foul, the Fisher shot, Manu injury. The fans especially on this board could not accept that the Spurs were just not good enough in those years so the yearly built in excuse was believed.

[ElNono]

Every year it was another excuse for falling short. The manu foul, the Fisher shot, Manu injury. The fans especially on this board could not accept that the Spurs were just not good enough in those years so the yearly built in excuse was believed.

29 out of 30 teams have excuses every year...

[ChumpDumper]

Has anyone ever seen a positive post by rascal regarding the Spurs?

I'd like a link to one if possible.

[ElNono]

Has anyone ever seen a positive post by rascal regarding the Spurs?

I'd like a link to one if possible.

He'll stop bitching once the Spurs move to St Louis... or so he claims...

[portnoy1]

rascal, why are you bitching about the Spurs? When they were winning titles all you did was complain that they didn't run and weren't fun to watch. Now that they run you bitch about how they can't win titles. I mean, pick a fucking side other than butthurt.
Some fans are like that. Personally I loved it when the Spurs beat teams 80 to 75. They would block shots and have TWO GUYS GET 10 RBS EACH, and HIT TIMELY 3PTRS. As opposed to Matty B getting mins and not giving rbs, and the spurs jacking up 25-30 3's a night.

[Spurs Brazil]

JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald
Josh Howard a fine player, but is he worth paying RJ to go away for? Spurs have to be asking themselves same question.

[therealtruth]

The front office's MO has been to get a declining vet and then Pop overplays them till they can't defend traffic cones. He did that with Finely and Dice. Dice in training camp last year was basically saying Splitter should start.

[quentin_compson]

Both Finley and Thomas were good moves at the time. But I guess some people will be in shock when we won't be acquiring Dwight Howard in the next couple of days.

[ElNono]

I still think they're gonna amnesty him... that piece in the Express News keeps coming to my mind... the FO doesn't throw that out there lightly...

[Bruno]

Thinking about it some more, the Spurs need to hurry up and amnesty RJ. If they wait, teams with salary cap room will spend elsewhere. A big reason why waiving RJ this offseason is the increased chance a team will claim a decently large percentage of his contract.

Wait too much longer and there won't be many teams able to claim him even if they wanted to.

Be sure Spurs front office knows that.

The more and more time pass, the less and less likely Spurs will use the amnesty on RJ this year. It's more and more likely that Spurs will keep him. A trade is still a possibility but it will be hard to do because of his bad contract.

[slick'81]

spurs must decide by 16th clock is ticking rj

[DPG21920]

I really hope that after I applauded them for making the right basketball move (eating RJ's contract so they don't have to dump a basketball asset) that they don't turn around and do just that.

[ChuckD]

I think the FO got caught out by the lack of interest by ANY MLE level SF (and there were a lot of them) this year, and they're scrambling now to trade McDyess's contract to stay below the tax since it doesn't appear they can amnesty RJ now.

[Obstructed_View]

From Pop's interview, it sounds like the Spurs have something up their sleeve as far as handling Dice's contract. I'm certain it will be a trade.

Sounding more and more like they're going to bring him back, which along with the almost definite non-amnesty of RJ, is not good at all.

[timvp]

Billups was claimed off the amnesty waiver wire by the Clippers for $3.5 million. That's $3.5 million off the books and unavailable to claim RJ with.

By waiting to amnesty RJ, the Spurs are just throwing away money.

We're sure RC isn't still in jail, right?

[Buddy Holly]

Billups was claimed off the amnesty waiver wire by the Clippers for $3.5 million. That's $3.5 million off the books and unavailable to claim RJ with.

By waiting to amnesty RJ, the Spurs are just throwing away money.

We're sure RC isn't still in jail, right?

Huh? The Clippers weren't going to claim RJ anyhow.

[MaNu4Tres]

Huh? The Clippers weren't going to claim RJ anyhow.

I know they signed Butler and have Aminu/Gomes off the bench.

I'm willing to bet if Spurs amnestied R.J, he'd be a Net, Nugget, King or possibly a Cavalier.

Jefferson for 2-3 mil per year would be a good haul for those teams.

[timvp]

Huh? The Clippers weren't going to claim RJ anyhow.

I'm talking big picture salary cap space. There's only a finite amount to go around the league. As that shrinks, the chances of saving money on RJ shrink with it.

[yavozerb]

There is still plenty of teams with $ to spend who would scoop up RJ in a heartbeat if he is cut..

[Big P]

Unfortunately...this probably was a Pop move....saying the they were going to amnesty rj in hopes of lighting a fire under his ass...I doubt he gets amnestied now.

[Robz4000]

It'd be a waste to get rid of him now. Howard wouldn't be much of an improvement, if any, and if a team did sign him it'd be for too small an amount to make a real difference. As it is the team should just keep the core they got and focus on a big. With how short the season's going to be, cohesion and chemistry is more important than anything. If RJ still sucks, then let his ass go next season.

[Russ]

By waiting to amnesty RJ, the Spurs are just throwing away money.


Is it possible the Spurs are trying to see what RJ would be paid before (if?) they amnesty him?

Maybe the Spurs are looking for a minimum number that RJ will fetch before they do the deed. If it's the vet minimum, they may balk.

I have always been skeptical about the Spurs tossing away $30 million in salary for nothing.

I can see a few teams doing that. But the Spurs?

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Em-City]

It'd be a waste to get rid of him now. Howard wouldn't be much of an improvement, if any, and if a team did sign him it'd be for too small an amount to make a real difference. As it is the team should just keep the core they got and focus on a big. With how short the season's going to be, cohesion and chemistry is more important than anything. If RJ still sucks, then let his ass go next season.


This

[The Truth #6]

What a disaster it's been so far:

1. The ridiculous lockout with Holt coming out as a huge douche bag.

2. RC driving drunk into a parking lot of the Brady-Green hospital, and is caught by the police driving around in circles trying to find his way out.

3. The tease of using the amnesty clause on RJ, which momentarily gets the fans excited, until Pop quickly squashes it, in effect telling the fans to "get over themselves".

4. One of our first round draft picks can't get through customs...because he's Canadian.

5. Neal suddenly is lost for weeks from unexpected abdominal surgery.

6. Our most likely FA acquisition is: a former Mav, known stoner, and doesn't like to stand for the national anthem. That should be a good fit with Pop and Holt.

Start making reservations for that river parade!

[Redshadows]

Just get the offer to JH back.

[Sean Cagney]

What a disaster it's been so far:

1. The ridiculous lockout with Holt coming out as a huge douche bag.

2. RC driving drunk into a parking lot of the Brady-Green hospital, and is caught by the police driving around in circles trying to find his way out.

3. The tease of using the amnesty clause on RJ, which momentarily gets the fans excited, until Pop quickly squashes it, in effect telling the fans to "get over themselves".

4. One of our first round draft picks can't get through customs...because he's Canadian.

5. Neal suddenly is lost for weeks from unexpected abdominal surgery.

6. Our most likely FA acquisition is: a former Mav, known stoner, and doesn't like to stand for the national anthem. That should be a good fit with Pop and Holt.

Start making reservations for that river parade!

What else did you expect? This team has had this luck since 07 pretty much, nothing will change. I expected nothing.
It'd be a waste to get rid of him now. Howard wouldn't be much of an improvement, if any, and if a team did sign him it'd be for too small an amount to make a real difference. As it is the team should just keep the core they got and focus on a big. With how short the season's going to be, cohesion and chemistry is more important than anything. If RJ still sucks, then let his ass go next season.

RJ will suck you can bet on that, agree with the rest though.

[The Truth #6]

The post 07 "Bonner era" has been bad in a lot of ways...but now it looks more like complete ineptitude. The Big 3 covered up a lot of mistakes, but not anymore.

[ElNono]

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if they don't amnestize him now just out of spite of Woj leaking the news. Obviously, we'll never know.