Yahoo: Teams trying CP3 trade again

[DJ Mbenga]

https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/145250883465248769

here we go again

[djohn2oo8]

New Orleans, Houston and Lakers are re-engaged in talks to find a new way to complete Chris Paul blockbuster trade, league sources tell Y!1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/145250883465248769)

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1fybI4QH8

[Giuseppe]

Just stay strong Stern.

[Banzai]

I don't get it though...league said no before..how else can the pieces change? Seems like it will be the same shit over again.

[DJ Mbenga]

I don't get it though...league said no before..how else can the pieces change? Seems like it will be the same shit over again.

they can try again but it doesnt mean it will work out. cant just let 3 months of work or a framework of that fall apart just because a guy said so.

[Giuseppe]

I don't get it though...league said no before..how else can the pieces change? Seems like it will be the same shit over again.

Probably a legal maneuver to show intent.

[djohn2oo8]

I don't get it though...league said no before..how else can the pieces change? Seems like it will be the same shit over again.

The league wants L.A. to give up more than what was said.

[The Gemini Method]

Makes for great drama, doesn't it? Not that I'm totally behind the whole trade or anything like that...it is bringing attention to the league.

[Banzai]

Crazy shit..lol I can't imagine what will happen..probably nothing.

[Banzai]

The league wants L.A. to give up more than what was said.

how much more? NO got the majority of the players and Houston got one..I'm confused lol...what else can the Lakers even throw in? Artest? doesn't make any sense lol...

[The Gemini Method]

I wish they'd hurry up and decide either way--I've got to know if I need to buy a Pujols jersey and a CP3 jersey...sheesh.

[ElNono]

If it goes through this time, so much for "I don't want players to dictate where they go"...

[djohn2oo8]

how much more? NO got the majority of the players and Houston got one..I'm confused lol...what else can the Lakers even throw in? Artest? doesn't make any sense lol...

Bynum, or just to take back more salary. All of the salary went to NO who happens to be losing money.

[VBM]

Woj bringing it again...dude's a monster when it comes to NBA info. Hard to think back to the days when chumps like Peter Vescey were dropping "news" on trade rumors.

[DJ Mbenga]

http://i.imgur.com/mI61t.jpg

[Mugen]

Stern's ego against protecting his pet franchise ....:corn:

[DPG21920]

Bynum, or just to take back more salary. All of the salary went to NO who happens to be losing money.

Exactly. At least give up the younger asset with a future and take on bad contracts. Help them rebuild.

[bdictjames]

The Lakers are screwing themselves up with this deal. Bynum can't carry the whole Lakers frontcourt.

[DPG21920]

Why not? Which contender in the west has a stout frontline?

[VBM]

Why not? Which contender in the west has a stout frontline?

Ibaka and Perkins ain't a bad combo in OKC (defensively anyway)

[LnGrrrR]

It'd be awesome if they kept submitting the same trade to put pressure on Stern/the league to do the right thing.

[The Gemini Method]

I just find it comical at this point...you have a lockout that cut the season by 16 games and the training camp/preseason in to nil and now you have this. Whoever is the PR director is probably overdosing on maalox up to this point.

[DPG21920]

How is it the wrong thing? Do owners of a team not normally get a say? I'm confused.

[024]

don't do it stern....

[Giuseppe]

How is it the wrong thing? Do owners of a team not normally get a say? I'm confused.

I'll just bet you are.

[LnGrrrR]

http://i.imgur.com/mI61t.jpg

:lol

[Giuseppe]

Stern trying to save face.

Media walked away from him on this. I'm flabbergasted.

[ChumpDumper]

Media!

[xtremesteven33]

Lakers giving up a proven frontcourt commodity (4 NBA Finals trips in a row) for CP3.

If I was a Lakerfan I wouldnt be so crazy about this trade.

[The Gemini Method]

Definitely surprised at how vast the media upheaval is due to this dilemma...

[The Gemini Method]

Lakers giving up a proven frontcourt commodity (4 NBA Finals trips in a row) for CP3.

If I was a Lakerfan I wouldnt be so crazy about this trade.

3 trips

I'm on the weary side of this trade--giving up the length/size advantage is perilous.

[Giuseppe]

Lakers giving up a proven frontcourt commodity (4 NBA Finals trips in a row) for CP3.

If I was a Lakerfan I wouldnt be so crazy about this trade.

I was the charter fan who was dead set against it.

[Banzai]

https://twitter.com/#!/Chris_Broussard/status/145262757627957249

[Mugen]

Definitely surprised at how vast the media upheaval is due to this dilemma...

Media wants to see CP3/Dwight in LA.

Why would you be surprised?

[xtremesteven33]

This trade makes the Lakers mortal again...if they dont get D12 :(

[DeadlyDynasty]

I was the charter fan who was dead set against it.

Co-charter fan, tyvm

[Banzai]

This trade makes the Lakers mortal again...if they dont get D12 :(

if this makes them mortal now..what were they last season? zombies?

[The Gemini Method]

Media wants to see CP3/Dwight in LA.

Why would you be surprised?

Maybe so...but normally you wouldn't have this much unison in Laker support coming from the media world...

[The Gemini Method]

Lockout

Mos def.

[xtremesteven33]

if this makes them mortal now..what were they last season? zombies?


They played like zombies. They had a big run and ran out of gas, all they needed was some rest and a new PG. Not get rid of Gasol/Odom..thats just stupid.

[DeadlyDynasty]

They played like zombies. They had a big run and ran out of gas, all they needed was some rest and a new PG. Not get rid of Gasol/Odom..thats just stupid.

it only makes sense if D12 is the endgame, otherwise you are correct.

[Giuseppe]

Maybe so...but normally you wouldn't have this much unison in Laker support coming from the media world...

It's comprehensive.

[Jodelo]

http://i.imgur.com/mI61t.jpg

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Giuseppe]

^Just like shaved pussy.

[The Gemini Method]

even got the shoes' colorways correct--that's impressive.

[Banzai]

even got the shoes' colorways correct--that's impressive.

http://www.mrsec.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/most-impressive-darth-vader.jpg

[weebo]

old shit bag kirby for cp3

[Giuseppe]

old shit bag

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[21_Blessings]

You're also wrong. It's a great trade for the Lakers.

Even if they don't use the trade exception to get Dwight, you use it on an emotionally stable PF and the Lakers are already a much better team than they were last year with their biggest need stuffed full.

[Giuseppe]

Lol, look at 21 sitting pretty with his boy Bynum.

He's probably sitting on a 14 incher as well.

[Jeremy]

I was the charter fan who was dead set against it.

Would you still be against the trade if it enables the Lakers to bring in Dwight Howard as well (using the trade exception/Bynum/draft pick(s))?

[DJ Mbenga]

looks like the beef with stern on teh deal is youth more than value. i wonder if this is dead. dont think houston can provide that

[Giuseppe]

Would you still be against the trade if it enables the Lakers to bring in Dwight Howard as well (using the trade exception/Bynum/draft pick(s))?

I'm also the charter fan against Howard. I want neither.

[Jeremy]

I'm also the charter fan against Howard. I want neither.

Wow. I think that even without a PF, a lineup of Paul/Bryant/World Peace/Howard would be unbeatable.

[Giuseppe]

Wow. I think that even without a PF, a lineup of Paul/Bryant/World Peace/Howard would be unbeatable.

Based on what? Neither Paul nor Howard have ever accomplished a thing. Bynum, Gasol and Odom have all three actually done it. It looks easy in December. Ain't so easy in June.

[21_Blessings]

Lol, look at 21 sitting pretty with his boy Bynum.


I'm just ecstatic Fisher will be out of my life for those 28 horrifying minutes he played every Laker game.

Pau is washed-up pussy. The Lakers agree with me :lol

[ElNono]

They're pulling a Culby... repeat it over and over and see if it sticks...

[DJ Mbenga]

man adrian woj really hates stern. heard him on yahoo radio. speculates if the trade is changed enough stern will just approve it to avoid the hate. suggests stern doesnt like his job anymore the new owners are tough to work with.
other outlets are reporting the hornets are only going after youth and pics. nothing else no matter the team.

[Darth_Pelican]

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2011/12/chris_paul_participates_in_new.html

Chris Paul (http://topics.nola.com/tag/chris%20paul/index.html) arrived at the Alario Center an hour before the New Orleans Hornets'
scheduled start of training camp and is participating in workouts with the team.




Sources confirmed that Hornets General Manager Dell Demps is back negotiating with the Lakers and Houston Rockets to get a deal done involving Paul after the NBA Commissioner David Stern nixed the trade Thursday night that had Paul going to the Lakers.

Demps is set to address the media this afternoon.

[BRHornet45]

Slave mastahhhh Stern!

[Stalin]

it would be great if lakeshow broke up their elite championship frontline for a pg with bum knee, as long as they dont get d12, anything but that, if they do, considering how great of a free agent destination la is, nba would be fucked for the next 5 years, if not more

[Giuseppe]

stern doesnt like his job anymore the new owners are tough to work with.

This.

[Darth_Pelican]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7336597/teams-chris-paul-trade-hopeful-revival-sources-say

The New Orleans Hornets (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/no/new-orleans-hornets), Los Angeles Lakers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) and Houston Rockets (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/hou/houston-rockets) are "hopeful" of reconfiguring their three-team trade to the point that NBA commissioner David Stern signs off on the deal, according to sources close to the process.

Sources told ESPN.com the NBA on Friday afternoon gave the league-owned Hornets clearance to re-open the phones to talk to all teams about possible deals, one day after Stern nixed the trade agreed to in principle Thursday that would have landed Chris Paul (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul) with the Lakers.

Yahoo Sports! reported that, as part of that clearance, New Orleans has re-engaged the Lakers and Rockets to try to tweak Thursday's trade, which would have sent Paul to L.A., routed Pau Gasol (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol) to Houston and netted three starters for the Hornets -- Kevin Martin (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2394/kevin-martin), Lamar Odom (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/617/lamar-odom) and Luis Scola (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1781/luis-scola) -- in addition to guard Goran Dragic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic) and a 2012 first-round pick.

"Yes, we've been given autonomy to make another trade," Hornets general manager Dell Demps told reporters at a news conference Friday night.



"We're back to work and everything is on the table."



The NBA Players Association, meanwhile, has decided not to take immediate action on behalf of Paul, according to sources close to the situation.

The union will instead wait to see if the league-owned Hornets can assemble a trade that the league will approve sending Paul to a destination he welcomes.

If no such trade is made by Monday, sources said, union officials will then consider other options, including litigation.

ESPN.com reported earlier Friday that the teams involved in the blocked deal were lobbying the league in hopes of convincing Stern to reverse the decision and let the trade go through. But it's believed that Stern is unlikely to change his mind unless changes are made to the original three-team framework.

"I wish he stayed [in New Orleans]," Demps said of Paul. "I'm not going to lie about it. But it is what is."

In a statement released Friday, Stern said the "final responsibility for significant management decisions lies with the commissioner's office in consultation with team chairman Jac Sperling."
"All decisions are made on the basis of what is in the best interests of the Hornets," Stern said. "In the case of the trade proposal that was made to the Hornets for Chris Paul, we decided, free from the influence of other NBA owners, that the team was better served with Chris in a Hornets uniform than by the outcome of the terms of that trade."
There is no formal appeals process to reverse the ruling. The teams, however, have been lobbying the NBA reconsider all day Friday.
NBA spokesman Tim Frank said Thursday the deal was blocked for "basketball reasons."
The primary argument being presented to the league office for allowing the deal to go through -- as agreed to in principle by the Hornets, Lakers and Houston Rockets -- is that the NBA's decision would appear to force the Hornets to keep Paul for the rest of the season, despite the fact he can opt out of his contract and become a free agent July 1 and leave New Orleans without compensation.
A trade of Paul elsewhere, according to the teams' argument, would mean Stern and the league are choosing where Paul would play.
The proposed trade would have sent Paul to the Lakers, Pau Gasol (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol) to the Rockets and furnished New Orleans with three top-flight NBA players in Kevin Martin (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2394/kevin-martin), Luis Scola (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1781/luis-scola) and Lamar Odom (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/617/lamar-odom) as well as playoff-tested guard Goran Dragic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic) and a 2012 first-round pick that Houston had acquired from the Knicks.
Odom said he was disoriented by the deal and didn't know how to proceed. It looked as if he had made up his mind to stay away from training camp, but he did end up showing Friday, albeit more than an hour late.



"Man, I'm just in total disbelief about all of this," Odom said Thursday. "They don't want my services, for whatever reason. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I was proud to be a Laker, so I'll try to help them in the process as much as possible."
The general reaction among rival executives was that Demps did as well as he could under the circumstances after Paul told the Hornets on Monday he would not sign a contract extension and instead planned to become a free agent July 1.
But Stern stepped in to nix the swap and leave all three teams with shell-shocked players and officials heading into Friday's start of training camps, after the commissioner insisted for months that Demps and the rest of the team's front office had autonomy over basketball decisions. Sources close to the situation said Demps and teams that have pursued Paul had been assured the Hornets had the clearance to trade Paul as they saw fit.
In an email to Stern obtained by Yahoo! Sports, The New York Times and Cleveland Plain Dealer, Cleveland Cavaliers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-cavaliers) owner Dan Gilbert called the proposed deal "a travesty" and urged Stern to put the deal to a vote of "the 29 owners of the Hornets," referring to the rest of the league's teams.
Numerous sources close to the process expressed skepticism that the deal has a chance of being revived, amid a growing sense the league is now determined to keep Paul in New Orleans for an unspecified length of time -- perhaps even for the entire season -- to support the notion that lockout wasn't for naught and that the new labor deal has improved small-market teams' ability to retain star players.
The problem there, of course, is that the Hornets -- believing they had avoided the drama that engulfed the Denver Nuggets (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/den/denver-nuggets) for months last season until they finally traded Carmelo Anthony (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1975/carmelo-anthony) -- are left with a disgruntled star who can still opt out of his contract and leave the franchise with nothing as of July 1.
Stern's decision to block the deal has likewise raised the question of whether New Orleans can trade Paul anywhere until a new buyer for the team is found, because any deal that does go through could create the appearance that Stern hand-picked the destination.
Outspoken Dallas Mavericks (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/dal/dallas-mavericks) owner Mark Cuban, who voted against the NBA's new labor deal, agreed with the league's reversal, saying it would have been hypocritical coming hours after the CBA was ratified.
"The message is we went through this lockout for a reason," Cuban said Friday on ESPN Dallas 103.3 FM's "Ben and Skin Show." "Again, I'm not speaking for Stern. He's not telling me his thought process. I'm just telling you my perspective, having gone through all this. There's a reason that we went through this lockout, and one of the reasons is to give small-market teams the ability to keep their stars and the ability to compete."
Cuban has been trying for years to trade for Paul but said he would have understood the league's decision to deny a trade even if the Mavericks would have agreed to a deal to get Paul.
"I mean, obviously, I wouldn't have been happy, but I would have understood because it was a conversation a lot of owners had long before the Laker deal was consummated," Cuban said. "It was like, 'Look, sure, I'd love him. Give him to me in a heartbeat.' But the whole idea of the lockout was to prevent stuff like that.
"Players will always have the right to choose what they want to do as a free agent, but the players agreed to rules that said, 'You know what? Let's give the home team, the incumbent team an extra advantage.' And that's how the rules were designed. I think they're going to work."

[Giuseppe]

it would be great if lakeshow broke up their elite championship frontline for a pg with bum knee, as long as they dont get d12, anything but that, if they do, considering how great of a free agent la is, nba would be fucked for the next 5 years, if not more

A couple a guys (throw that asshole Nene in there) with cool nicknames and an NBA pay check stub.:rolleyes

[Giuseppe]

"I wish he stayed [in New Orleans]," Demps said of Paul. "I'm not going to lie about it. But it is what is."

I wish the fuck he would too. We're going to rue this trade, guys. I fear it like the plague.

[Giuseppe]

Yeah, but Kobe has. He drug Shaq and Pau to the party. Paul and Howard would be willing participants.

Daddy & Pau had actual skills. Howard doesn't beyond trying mightily to get close enough to it so his stomach can relax and he can jam it. We broke Bynum of that habit.

Paul either can't or won't play basketball. He's enamored with the art of depeption and cheating. Why I'll never understand.

[Banzai]

Watch...CP3 will be traded..and everyone will be blind sided when it isn't the Lakers.

[DJ Mbenga]

have serious doubts a trade gets done. might be a blessing since howard is now looking grim to New Jersey. unless he really loved houston the lakers are the only destination and they would be more ready to make a trade there

[LkrFan]

http://i.imgur.com/mI61t.jpg

Oh hell naaawwww!!!! :lmao

[Stalin]

way to much hype around this trade, will get done most likelly

[DPG21920]

Ibaka and Perkins ain't a bad combo in OKC (defensively anyway)

So that is one and like you said, they aren't even good offensively.

There is a reason LA wants Paul and it's because they know they can compete in the west w/o being huge still.

Dallas: Dirk and Brenda now that they lost Tyson.
Denver: Probably losing Nene, but even if not, not a great front line
Spurs: Aging Tim and Bonner (Tiago is there but how much will he play/help?)
OKC: Already discussed
Portland: If Oden is healthy, this is the only true big frontline to contend with.
N.O: Losing west & paul not contender and don't have big frontline to worry about

Really UTA/POR/CLIPPERS/MEM/OKC are the only teams that have big frontlines and a lot of them are debatable on how good they are.

[Stalin]

^ still, size and defence wins championships, its better to have it than not, tbh

[DPG21920]

They could still be a good defensive team with an upgrade on the perimeter (Paul over turnstile Fisher) and an elite athletic monster manning the paint.

[DPG21920]

I'm not saying having size isn't a good thing, but it's not needed as much now because hardly any team have a huge frontline. I still would rather have Kobe/Pau/Dwight over Kobe/Paul/Bynum, but I can see the logic on how it makes them better.

[Pelicans78]

All they have to do is let the Lakers take Scola instead of the Hornets.

[Mugen]

All they have to do is let the Lakers take Scola instead of the Hornets.

But doesn't that prevent them from getting HOward which is the lakers ultimate goal?

Do the lakers really want to give up all their size, their biggest advantage, for Scola and a ball dominant PG w shaky knees and Bynum as their C?

the lakers want that trade exception to ship to Orland along with Bynum. Taking scola back ruins that plan unless they convince otis that Scola is better than cap space, not likely.

[timvp]

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7659/fairer.jpg

This should be the compromise. KMart isn't worth his contract, so cut him out. Add some decent pieces in his place. Force the Lakers to absorb JJack. Move on.

[Mugen]

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7659/fairer.jpg

This should be the compromise. KMart isn't worth his contract, so cut him out. Add some decent pieces in his place. Force the Lakers to absorb JJack. Move on.

as long as it keeps Howard out of LA then hell fucking yes. Odom/Gasol for CP/JJ :lmao

[DJ Mbenga]

All they have to do is let the Lakers take Scola instead of the Hornets.

or houston can keep scola and the lakers odom. they make the same but scola has a long term deal.

[Pelicans78]

Hornets would want Martin.

[DMC]

It'd be awesome if they kept submitting the same trade to put pressure on Stern/the league to do the right thing.
If they did it until the deadline, it would be great. Pau and Odom would be catatonic by then.

[Pelicans78]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bwa2c3a

Lakers get CP3, Ariza, Scola

Rockets get Gasol

Hornets get Odom, Martin, Dragic and any other young player, draft picks, etc.

[DPG21920]

That makes LA so much better. Replacing Odom with Scola is solid, they get Ariza to replace old ass Artest and get CP3 for Pau. Is it Hornets fan goal to help LA and be mediocre?

[Baseline]

If the Lakers lose Gasol and Odom and do not get Dwight Howard, they will be a way worse team than last year. Their length is what made them so tough to beat.

So I hope the Paul trade goes through. Whatever makes the lakers less strong. To me the only way the Paul trade makes sense for the Lakers is if they added Dwight, but it appears as though they can't add both Paul and Dwight.

[Pelicans78]

That makes LA so much better. Replacing Odom with Scola is solid, they get Ariza to replace old ass Artest and get CP3 for Pau. Is it Hornets fan goal to help LA and be mediocre?

Hornets have more cap room for the future without Ariza and Scola's contract.

Ariza's a scrub. Artest is still better. Ariza is the worst offensive player in the league and should be a bench player with his lack of offense. I want his ass out of NOLA. He was an embarassment last season.

Scola doesn't play defense anymore. A borderline starter at this point.

C Bynum
PF Scola
SF Artest, Ariza
SG Kobe
PG CP3

Old injury prone team with the exception of Ariza. Lakers are clearly weaker in the front court. But I forgot, you were wrong about dem Mavs and didn't take into account Chandler's impact on offense :lol

[DPG21920]

Hornet fan is dumb.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

LA breaking up their front court for a PG is wildly retarded, though I'd love to see it happen so when they lose in the playoffs because CP3 lays an egg my PG theory will only look more right.

[Pelicans78]

Hornet fan is dumb.

Spur fan is bitter.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_565/1292336183RB80ow.jpg

[DPG21920]

Who in the West has a stacked front line they have to go through, DoK?

[DeadlyDynasty]

LA breaking up their front court for a PG is wildly retarded, though I'd love to see it happen so when they lose in the playoffs because CP3 lays an egg my PG theory will only look more right.

thank you...this should be common sense to anyone who's watched even one season of playoff basketball.

[Pelicans78]

LA breaking up their front court for a PG is wildly retarded, though I'd love to see it happen so when they lose in the playoffs because CP3 lays an egg my PG theory will only look more right.

Not according to DPG. He thinks Scola would be a fine starting PF replacing Gasol.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's not about a stacked front court they'll have to go through, it's the fact that their stacked front court going up against weak front courts is what won them two championships. Their biggest advantage by far the last few years is gone if they trade Odom and Gasol.

And as I've said before, PGs lose championships.

[DPG21920]

Spur fan is bitter.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_565/1292336183RB80ow.jpg

:lol Yes, Spur fan is bitter, not NO fan who is losing their star player, losing their heart and soul captain West, live in a city built to flood every time a homeless guy pisses in the street along with having mediocre team for the foreseeable future with Kevin Martin as their superstar and no titles. :lol

I hope you schmucks get what you want in this trade.

[Pelicans78]

It's not about a stacked front court they'll have to go through, it's the fact that their stacked front court going up against weak front courts is what won them two championships. Their biggest advantage by far the last few years is gone if they trade Odom and Gasol.

And as I've said before, PGs lose championships.

You can't use logic with DPG.

[DPG21920]

Not according to DPG. He thinks Scola would be a fine starting PF replacing Gasol.

No girl, I think it's stupid that NO fan celebrates trades that hurt their team. But then again, Hornet fan is dumb.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Damn...deep is breakin out city smack :lol

[Pelicans78]

:lol Yes, Spur fan is bitter, not NO fan who is losing their star player, losing their heart and soul captain West, live in a city built to flood every time a homeless guy pisses in the street along with having mediocre team for the foreseeable future with Kevin Martin as their superstar and no titles. :lol

I hope you schmucks get what you want in this trade.

:lol Thinking we're upset about losing two guys who won us one playoff series in 6 seasons.

[DPG21920]

It's not about a stacked front court they'll have to go through, it's the fact that their stacked front court going up against weak front courts is what won them two championships. Their biggest advantage by far the last few years is gone if they trade Odom and Gasol.

And as I've said before, PGs lose championships.

The same stacked front court that got swept last year? My point is not to say LA would be more dominant, but that with the changing landscape you don't have to go through dominant front lines in the West.

Like it or not, Fisher was a huge problem and CP3 fixes that in a big way. Not saying it makes them monsters, but again, stating I see the logic in it.

[Pelicans78]

No girl, I think it's stupid that NO fan celebrates trades that hurt their team. But then again, Hornet fan is dumb.

How does trading Paul hurt their team when he's leaving anyway?

[DPG21920]

:lol Thinking we're upset about losing two guys who won us one playoff series in 6 seasons.

:lol Then being thrilled with getting guys in a trade who will win you 0 playoff series in next 3-4.

[Obstructed_View]

other outlets are reporting the hornets are only going after youth and pics. nothing else no matter the team.

Seems logical. Pretty much explains why the trade didn't happen. The NBA is probably eager to make the franchise as attractive as possible to prospective buyers. Since their goal is to sell the team to someone who will keep the team in town, they need to stick with that.

[Pelicans78]

:lol Then being thrilled with getting guys in a trade who will win you 0 playoff series in next 3-4.

How do you know those guys weren't going to be used for future trades?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The same stacked front court that got swept last year? My point is not to say LA would be more dominant, but that with the changing landscape you don't have to go through dominant front lines in the West.

Like it or not, Fisher was a huge problem and CP3 fixes that in a big way. Not saying it makes them monsters, but again, stating I see the logic in it.
My opinion is that it makes them worse. My original comment had nothing to do with whatever it is you were saying.

[DPG21920]

How does trading Paul hurt their team when he's leaving anyway?

This question illustrates why Hornet fan is dumb and I hope you get the trade with LA that was vetoed.

[Pelicans78]

This question illustrates why Hornet fan is dumb and I hope you get the trade with LA that was vetoed.

The team is not getting a better offer since CP3 won't sign an extension anywhere. Team had no leverage. I didn't agree with getting Scola, but getting Odom, Martin, draft picks/young players and maybe getting Ariza would still give them plenty of cap room.

[DPG21920]

But I do agree, dumping Ariza for NO makes sense if they can do it w/o taking on salary in return.

[ogait]

Who in the West has a stacked front line they have to go through, DoK?

Maybe they would still be favourites in the West since every other decent team with the exception of OKC seems to be getting worse/older, but a trade that makes Bynum their best big would virtually deny them any kind of chances of beating Miami unless they can con the Magic into giving them Dwight.

If the idea is to win this season, Gasol, Odom > Paul no doubt.

[DPG21920]

The team is not getting a better offer since CP3 won't sign an extension anywhere. Team had no leverage. I didn't agree with getting Scola, but getting Odom, Martin, draft picks/young players and maybe getting Ariza would still give them plenty of cap room.

The team had a better offer with just Rondo plus multiple picks. Also, I don't get why people keep saying they have no leverage. If LA wants CP3, NO has plenty of leverage. If LA tries to low ball them, they just tell LA "Look, if you don't give us what we want, we have no problem letting him walk, getting 18M off the books, getting a high lottery pick in a stacked draft and you have 0 chance of getting Paul if he hits free agency so you better work with us".

Plenty of leverage.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Maybe they would still be favourites in the West since every other decent team with the exception of OKC seems to be getting worse/older, but a trade that makes Bynum their best big would virtually deny them any kind of chances of beating Miami unless they can con the Magic into giving them Dwight.

If the idea is to win this season, Gasol, Odom > Paul no doubt.

Agree 100%

[endrity]

It's not about a stacked front court they'll have to go through, it's the fact that their stacked front court going up against weak front courts is what won them two championships. Their biggest advantage by far the last few years is gone if they trade Odom and Gasol.

And as I've said before, PGs lose championships.

I tend to agree, teams that have devoted major parts of their financial resources to a PG haven't won anything in the NBA since Magic, and even that was a very stacked Lakers team.

The first question when building a team is this:
- can I find a guy who demands 20 mil on the open market, to who I can go to at the end of a playoff game and he will deliver it for me?

If you have that guy, you have done most of the work, the rest is relatively easy. CP3 isn't that guy.

[DPG21920]

Maybe they would still be favourites in the West since every other decent team with the exception of OKC seems to be getting worse/older, but a trade that makes Bynum their best big would virtually deny them any kind of chances of beating Miami unless they can con the Magic into giving them Dwight.

If the idea is to win this season, Gasol, Odom > Paul no doubt.

I'm not really debating that and it's not the point. I think from a talent perspective it makes LA better, especially if they get any big back in return along with Paul. Impact, not so sure, but my point was that I see the logic with them taking their chances on facing weaker frontlines with an upgraded back court.

The other point was that the vetoed trade had a pretty high likelihood of landing LA Dwight as well.

[Pelicans78]

The team had a better offer with just Rondo plus multiple picks. Also, I don't get why people keep saying they have no leverage. If LA wants CP3, NO has plenty of leverage. If LA tries to low ball them, they just tell LA "Look, if you don't give us what we want, we have no problem letting him walk, getting 18M off the books, getting a high lottery pick in a stacked draft and you have 0 chance of getting Paul if he hits free agency so you better work with us".

Plenty of leverage.

Boston has to take CP3 without an extension. Rondo and Green and draft picks wouldn't be great since the draft picks would be low anyway. Plus, I'm not a fan of Rondo and Green. I guess it would help the team tank which is what you want.

[Giuseppe]

The same stacked front court that got swept last year?

& the one that went Back-to-Back the 2 seasons prior.

Yes, that one.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^Exactly. LA's stacked front court has won 2 more championships than Chrissy Paul.

[Pelicans78]

I'm not really debating that and it's not the point. I think from a talent perspective it makes LA better, especially if they get any big back in return along with Paul. Impact, not so sure, but my point was that I see the logic with them taking their chances on facing weaker frontlines with an upgraded back court.

The other point was that the vetoed trade had a pretty high likelihood of landing LA Dwight as well.

They're not that much better if Scola is the big guy you're talking about. Or David West which was rumored.

[Giuseppe]

^Exactly. LA's stacked front court has won 2 more championships than Chrissy Paul.

Ass kisser.

[DPG21920]

Boston has to take CP3 without an extension. Rondo and Green and draft picks wouldn't be great since the draft picks would be low anyway. Plus, I'm not a fan of Rondo and Green. I guess it would help the team tank which is what you want.

Boston has flat out said they don't care if Paul doesn't agree to extension and that is the point. Even if you don't like Rondo, he is still a young asset with some potential and if not, he's easier to trade for cap space than a Scola or Odom.

The draft picks would be low? What do you think the single draft pick you would be getting would be? At least this would be multiple. If you didn't want Jeff Green, the Hornets could do something else as BOS is wanting to deal regardless of CP3 agreeing to extension.

[Obstructed_View]

The team is not getting a better offer since CP3 won't sign an extension anywhere. Team had no leverage. I didn't agree with getting Scola, but getting Odom, Martin, draft picks/young players and maybe getting Ariza would still give them plenty of cap room.

Too much of non bold, not enough of bold.

[DJ Mbenga]

talks heating up again according to everyone, yahoo SI, cbs

[slick'81]

Chris Paul (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1115/chris-paul) - G - Hornets (http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/clubhouse/nba/no/hornets)

Multiple sources reported that the Chris Paul trade is not dead and still being worked on, as the NBA attempts to save face following Thursday's trade veto by David Stern.

They're going to try to get the Rockets to give the Hornets both Courtney Lee and Patrick Patterson in an attempt to sell that Lamar Odom's age made the original deal bad. It's absurd, but that's how they'll try to package it. How this ends is anybody's guess, but we're leaning toward Paul becoming a Laker through an altered trade of some type. Sadly, if the Lakers add anything else to this deal we'd veto it from their perspective and they will too. The only thing that is certain is that we're all dumber for having gone through this episode.

Source: CBS Sports (http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33780584)

[mavsfan1000]

Dang it. Stop trying to help the Lakers. I think all teams should be outlawed with trades of Laker players.

[m>s]

The team had a better offer with just Rondo plus multiple picks. Also, I don't get why people keep saying they have no leverage. If LA wants CP3, NO has plenty of leverage. If LA tries to low ball them, they just tell LA "Look, if you don't give us what we want, we have no problem letting him walk, getting 18M off the books, getting a high lottery pick in a stacked draft and you have 0 chance of getting Paul if he hits free agency so you better work with us".

Plenty of leverage.

the lakers have two targets this offseason but they can't get em both. if NO shuts the door then they'll go for DH and make a deal with orlando. NO need to bait another potential buyer (mavs for example) in order to gain some "leverage" in the negotiation with lakers imho

[ChumpDumper]

So what does the new owner think of the trade?

[IronMaxipad]

Done deal sons

Breaking: The 3 way deal is a done deal. Deal will be announced tomorrow morning. Too late for a press conference tonight. #Lakers

[ChumpDumper]

Breaking from whom?

[ChumpDumper]

nm, found it.

[slick'81]

well are laker fan happy now lol

[ChumpDumper]

well are laker fan happy now lolThey'll find something else to whine about.

[LkrFan]

I saw some tweets saying this is a done deal (finally). I won't get excited until I see him at a Laker presser wearing P&G - for basketball reasons.

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xN60P2NWRcI/Tr9ZpR9k6vI/AAAAAAAAGMA/CcHRcLO_698/s1600/3.gif

Maxipad? Why do you have this a gif? To show how bad ass pacman's chin is or how little power JMM's punch has?

[Muser]

So is it still LO/Pau? If so then awful deal for L.A unless more is to come.

[Banzai]

So is it still LO/Pau? If so then awful deal for L.A unless more is to come.

Yup...read that jermaine is in the deal...if so...big lol

[Baron Davιs]

Yep^
Laker fans better hope there is.

(to muser's post)

[NRHector]

even if the deal goes thru the Lakers are fucked anyways and they know it

[rascal]

The Lakers are like that guy in every fantasy league who sends out offers to land the best star player with 2 or 3 average players.

[21_Blessings]

They're trading two aging STD infected vagina's for the best point guard in the NBA. Yeah, real fucked.

[Muser]

So who's gonna play the 4?

And Laker fan of all people should know big men > point guards.

[NRHector]

They're trading two aging STD infected vagina's for the best point guard in the NBA. Yeah, real fucked.Lakers traded 2 infected vaginas for 1 infected vagina, well at least Paul will be closer to Hollywood so he can improve his flopping act

[21_Blessings]

So who's gonna play the 4?

All they need is a serviceable body. Or trade for Dwight.


And Laker fan of all people should know big men > point guards.

Bynum > Duncan Even the most deluded Spur fans know that by now.

The Lakers front court looks like a pristine diamond compared to the Spurs'.

[Ghazi]

They're trading two aging STD infected vagina's for the best point guard in the NBA. Yeah, real fucked.

Best PG in the NBA in 2008 maybe. Rose and Williams are better, more reliable, more durable... not vaginas, etc.

BUT a Top 3 PG :)... huge upgrade from Fisher.

But the frontcourt is thin mi amigo ... Bynum needs to stay healthy. Keep in mind injuries are more damning this year with a shortened schedule.

[Muser]

What do the Spurs have to do with the fact that big men > point guards?

[21_Blessings]

But the frontcourt is thin mi amigo ... Bynum needs to stay healthy. Keep in mind injuries are more damning this year with a shortened schedule.

Bynum is use to playing shortened schedules and Dwight never gets hurt.

Either way, NB:lol:lol:lol

[rascal]

So who's gonna play the 4?

And Laker fan of all people should know big men > point guards.

They are not finished yet. You will see.

[rascal]

Lakers fo > Spurs fo

Not even close. The lakers rebuild on the fly, the Spurs need to build only through the draft and hope for lottery luck.

The Spurs have seen their last title as super teams get built in the big markets the spurs won't be able to compete anymore.

[ChumpDumper]

Lakers fo > Spurs fo

Not even close. The lakers rebuild on the fly, the Spurs need to build only through the draft and hope for lottery luck.

The Spurs have seen their last title as super teams get built in the big markets the spurs won't be able to compete anymore.So give up already.

[DPG21920]

Has anyone seen what part of the deal actually changed?

[Josepatches_]

So is it still LO/Pau?

Well...Lakers have to give more,not less or the trade will be killed again.

[Fpoonsie]

Bynum > Duncan Even the most deluded Spur fans know that by now.

The Lakers front court looks like a pristine diamond compared to the Spurs'.

That's not saying much and no one was arguing that point.

You seem to just be trying to reassure yourself.

[DJ Mbenga]

my understanding JO would be a salar dump on the lakers he'd probbay be used to try and absorb turkeyglue

[Fpoonsie]

Lakers fo > Spurs fo

Not even close. The lakers rebuild on the fly, the Spurs need to build only through the draft and hope for lottery luck.

Jackass. This has nothing to do with the front office.

[pass1st]

I want to see Dan Gilberts next letter

[mavsfan1000]

This is terrible for the league.

[DPG21920]

I just don't see, if the reports are true, how if the movement in players changed was only between LA and NO how LA magically came up with draft picks and young talent from their roster.

I want to see the new deal.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Just gave up your advantage over most of the league. better hope lakers dont face OKC or Memphis early in the playoffs.

[Drewlius]

Best PG in the NBA in 2008 maybe. Rose and Williams are better, more reliable, more durable... not vaginas, etc.

BUT a Top 3 PG :)... huge upgrade from Fisher.

But the frontcourt is thin mi amigo ... Bynum needs to stay healthy. Keep in mind injuries are more damning this year with a shortened schedule.

Williams better than CP3 is laughable.

[21_Blessings]

Jackass. This has nothing to do with the front office.

Still an accurate statement.

[DJ Mbenga]

I just don't see, if the reports are true, how if the movement in players changed was only between LA and NO how LA magically came up with draft picks and young talent from their roster.

I want to see the new deal.

draft pics and the lakers taking on contracts. dan gilbert wants those luxury tax checks to his pocket

[DMC]

Lakers fo > Spurs fo

Not even close. The lakers rebuild on the fly, the Spurs need to build only through the draft and hope for lottery luck.

The Spurs have seen their last title as super teams get built in the big markets the spurs won't be able to compete anymore.

That's nothing to do with the front office. It has everything to do with being in a desirable location on a storied franchise.

Salaries are salaries, and there's only so much a front office can do to convince a player to come to a place like San Antonio to play for an ex-ABA team with a history of being a retirement stop for ringless players.

[Banzai]

Tbh I don't know what to think.

[DJ Mbenga]

talks must be really secretive cause the details havent leaked.

[21_Blessings]

That's nothing to do with the front office. It has everything to do with being in a desirable location on a storied franchise.

Salaries are salaries, and there's only so much a front office can do to convince a player to come to a place like San Antonio to play for an ex-ABA team with a history of being a retirement stop for ringless players.

Wrong. San Antonio just doesn't have the trade assets the Lakers do.

The Lakers superior FO put the team in the position to trade for a CP3 and Dwight after winning another back to back. What did SA do? Trade for a player everybody knew was already washed-up and then overpaid him, again. And they still haven't amnesty'd the guy. lol

[DPG21920]

:lol Looks like it might be LA getting Okafor. I guess NO wants to make sure LA doesn't have too many holes upfront, but at least if true as long as they don't take on anymore salary themselves NO is getting rid of one contract.

The fact that LA is willing to do this to get CP3 in fact shows Demps is an idiot because he could have gotten a better deal as evidence by him well, getting a better deal.

[Pelicans78]

:lol Looks like it might be LA getting Okafor. I guess NO wants to make sure LA doesn't have too many holes upfront, but at least if true as long as they don't take on anymore salary themselves NO is getting rid of one contract.

The fact that LA is willing to do this to get CP3 in fact shows Demps is an idiot because he could have gotten a better deal as evidence by him well, getting a better deal.

Yeah, trading Okafor to the Lakers is terrible. His contract isn't great, but he's still a solid starting center. They should have taken Ariza. He sucks and is overpaid.

[pass1st]

What would that mean in terms of LALs race to get D12?

[Pelicans78]

DPG, I think you're making up the part about Okafor. I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere. But if you're right, i'll give you credit for it.

[mavsfan1000]

Paul and Bynum for Dwight Howard.

[Giuseppe]

Yeah, trading Okafor to the Lakers is terrible. His contract isn't great, but he's still a solid starting center.

+ he's got that thick chest.

[21_Blessings]

DPG, I think you're making up the part about Okafor. I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere. But if you're right, i'll give you credit for it.

Larry Coon's twitter

[Pelicans78]

+ he's got that thick chest.

Bend over, I'll show you what's thick.

[mavsfan1000]

This is a massive upgrade at the point guard for the Lakers. I think they got a shot to win the championship. They only need one big man. (Bynum for now)

[DPG21920]

What would that mean in terms of LALs race to get D12?

Until we see what the deal is, hard to tell, but if it's just them sending out Odom/Pau still, regardless of who they take back does little to impact any draft trade (losing their first rounder might hurt slightly).

[Banzai]

So we know for sure pau and Lamar are going to their teams as before?

[DPG21920]

No, but that is the initial reports coming out. Looks like basically the only differences from the last trade came from between NO and LA. Houston still gets Pau and gives up the same guys. LA will probably just have to eat Okafor's contract and give up their first round draft pick (which is crap anyways) and NO gets the same players as before, but they also dump Okafor's contract.

It's better than before, but still a retarded trade that actually helps LA more w/ regards to filling a void by getting Okafor.

[Josepatches_]

Kill the trade again. This is even worse than last time

[DPG21920]

John Hollinger @johnhollinger 10 mins

Seems to me that only way this deal could be revised is to put Bynum in for Odom and send Okafor back to Lakers.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Kill the trade again. This is even worse than last time

Nah, this trade'll do just fine :lol

[Nathan89]

John Hollinger @johnhollinger 10 mins

Seems to me that only way this deal could be revised is to put Bynum in for Odom and send Okafor back to Lakers.

That would make me pretty happy. Eliminates the possibility of getting Howard. Although that would be a tough Lakers team.

[Pelicans78]

If Bynum is in the trade, then that's a huge difference.

Basically the Lakers would have Okafor and odom as their frontline.

[Nathan89]

Oh shit I was think Bynum and Odom...not Bynum and Gasol. Yeah, I would love that trade.

[DeadlyDynasty]

No way its bynum and gasol

[Pelicans78]

No way its bynum and gasol

If it includes getting back Okafor, it might be.

[DPG21920]

If it's Bynum and Pau it's a great trade for NO and bad for LA. I said the same thing Hollinger said where LA has no young talent besides Bynum, so unless they add him there is no way they met that part of the requirement (not saying they will have to in order to get it pushed through).

But there is no way I see LA giving up Pau/Bynum for CP3/Okafor.

[pass1st]

If it's Bynum + Gasol, then goodbye D12 pretty much.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Giving up both makes no sense, and is just flat-out retarded on so many levels.

[Pelicans78]

There's no way they can keep Bynum and Odom if they take back Paul and Okafor.

[Nathan89]

If it's Bynum + Gasol, then goodbye D12 pretty much.

:lol Lakerfan believes any trade is possible after Pau.

[Giuseppe]

:lol Lakerfan believes any trade is possible after Pau.

tee, hee...that's the one that put the tired old shit bag Duncan behind Kobe 5-4.

[DPG21920]

If it's Bynum/Pau there is no D12 trade. Bynum is and always has been the only way to get Howard (because they aren't giving up Kobe).

We know Pau is still in the deal because HOU doesn't want Bynum and even if they did the mandate wasn't to get HOU younger talent :lol

Again, if they have to up the young talent and the reports are that HOU is not changing it's package, Bynum is the only real young talent LA has. Still makes no sense for LA and I bet it's what I said where LA adds their first rounder + eats Okafor's deal. They aren't able to satisfy the young talent requirement really.

[Giuseppe]

If it's Bynum/Pau there is no D12 trade. Bynum is and always has been the only way to get Howard (because they aren't giving up Kobe).

We know Pau is still in the deal because HOU doesn't want Bynum and even if they did the mandate wasn't to get HOU younger talent :lol

Again, if they have to up the young talent and the reports are that HOU is not changing it's package, Bynum is the only real young talent LA has. Still makes no sense for LA and I bet it's what I said where LA adds their first rounder + eats Okafor's deal. They aren't able to satisfy the young talent requirement really.

Hell then, you're covered no matter how it turns out, Deepy.

[pass1st]

:lol Lakerfan believes any trade is possible after Pau.

You're digging deep if you bolded that phrase.

[Pelicans78]

If it's Bynum/Pau there is no D12 trade. Bynum is and always has been the only way to get Howard (because they aren't giving up Kobe).

We know Pau is still in the deal because HOU doesn't want Bynum and even if they did the mandate wasn't to get HOU younger talent :lol

Again, if they have to up the young talent and the reports are that HOU is not changing it's package, Bynum is the only real young talent LA has. Still makes no sense for LA and I bet it's what I said where LA adds their first rounder + eats Okafor's deal. They aren't able to satisfy the young talent requirement really.

But they still can't keep both Bynum and Odom if they take Paul and Okafor.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Goddamn im getting fucking tired of all the speculation about this deal...just shit or get off the pot already.

[Pelicans78]

Goddamn im getting fucking tired of all the speculation about this deal...just shit or get off the pot already.

Come on Deadly, just pull the trigger on Bynum. Okafor and Paul are worth it :lol

[Banzai]

Who is better..Okafor or Bynum.

[Pelicans78]

Who is better..Okafor or Bynum.

When healthy Bynum because he's just as good defensively if not better and he's much better offensively. But Okafor is durable and above average overall and very good defensively.

[Giuseppe]

When healthy Bynum because he's just as good defensively if not better and he's much better offensively. But Okafor is durable and above average overall and very good defensively.

And he's like 3 feet thick twixt the adam's apple, belly button and center of the back.

[Banzai]

When healthy Bynum because he's just as good defensively if not better and he's much better offensively. But Okafor is durable and above average overall and very good defensively.

Interesting..is it true that Bynum is in the proposed deal with NO?

[Pelicans78]

Interesting..is it true that Bynum is in the proposed deal with NO?

i don't know. Just speculation. Because not sure if Odom is included in the deal, but apparently Okafor is.

[Josepatches_]

If Odom+Pau for CP3 was unnaceptable for the owners... Odom+Pau for Cp3+Okafor is a lot better for LA so it's going to be sttoped again.

If you change Odom for Bynum......it could work

[Giuseppe]

I got a feeling if Bynum is in the deal, his knee won't be of a concern to the loyal opposition any longer.

tee, hee.

[DPG21920]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
Most recent construction of CP3 trade, sources say, does indeed still send Odom to NOH. Hornets want him as much as Martin/Scola, even

NO is so dumb


Chad Ford

Lots of speculation that Emeka Okafor is in the new CP3 deal. Source says he is not part of trade.

[DPG21920]

Let's see the sh*t they try and sneak by the front office.

[Giuseppe]

^Man, and I wanted that thick chest for my team.

[Giuseppe]

Let's see the sh*t they try and sneak by the front office.

It don't matter for you, Deeps, you covered the entire gamut with that one post of yours. You can't be wrong.

[Muser]

Fuck this is confusing.

[timvp]

Kevin Martin is the piece that makes no sense. As good as he is offensively, he's worse defensively. And mufka is is a beat offensively.

[Pelicans78]

Kevin Martin is the piece that makes no sense. As good as he is offensively, he's worse defensively. And mufka is is a beat offensively.

Martin's offense does overcome his defense and the Hornets would surround him good defenders, but they should get more from the Rockets if they're willing to take Scola's contract.

[Killakobe81]

How is it the wrong thing? Do owners of a team not normally get a say? I'm confused.

Come on now, DPG. We know plenty of folks hate the Lakers but that was horseshit and you know it. Did I think the KG trade was fair, no. But the GM's agreed. so what if Ainge and Mchale were former shower buddies in the 80's? A trade agreed to in principle should not of been vetoed. Stern was reactive like a fantasy football commish with NO BALLS! Stern would have no right to veto that shit or this trade either. 3 GM's agreed to that deal. NY times reported that Stern, Adam Silvestri and Stu Jackson (stern's top lackeys) were ALL being updated DAILY on the trade. They knew the main parts.

You buy that stern acted for basket-ball reasons? He acted because of pressure from Gilbert, cuban etc.

Again I dont thnk it was a great trade for the Lakers. They got the best player ... I would say Paul is top 10 (top 5 POSSIBLY before knee issues) and Pau is a top 15 player ...

[Muser]

Pretty sure Scola is one of the main reasons they're doing the trade son.

[Koolaid_Man]

Pretty sure Scola is one of the main reasons they're doing the trade son.


Latest report is Cp3 and Okafor to LA

[DPG21920]

Come on now, DPG. We know plenty of folks hate the Lakers but that was horseshit and you know it. Did I think the KG trade was fair, no. But the GM's agreed. so what if Ainge and Mchale were former shower buddies in the 80's? A trade agreed to in principle should not of been vetoed. Stern was reactive like a fantasy football commish with NO BALLS! Stern would have no right to veto that shit or this trade either. 3 GM's agreed to that deal. NY times reported that Stern, Adam Silvestri and Stu Jackson (stern's top lackeys) were ALL being updated DAILY on the trade. They knew the main parts.

You know who also agreed to the KG trade? The owners of the respective teams. The owners of the Hornets did not agree it was a good basketball trade so they squashed it, not the NBA. They were 100% correct as evidenced by LA likely still willing to give up more.


You buy that stern acted for basket-ball reasons? He acted because of pressure from Gilbert, cuban etc.

Again I dont thnk it was a great trade for the Lakers. They got the best player ... I would say Paul is top 10 (top 5 POSSIBLY before knee issues) and Pau is a top 15 player ...

Do I think that was the only reason for the owner of the Hornets to veto a trade his GM brought to him, no, but it was the biggest reason IMO because it was a shit deal and they clearly left money on the table again evidenced by the fact they played hard ball and will get a better deal as they should. Demps is just a dummy and his owner wouldn't let him get taken completely advantage of.

[Koolaid_Man]

New Paul Trade Submitted To NBA For Approval

Dec 10, 2011 1:07 PM EST

http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/wiretap/photos/2006/Paul_Chris_noh_111121.jpg
The Hornets, Lakers and Rockets have submitted a new proposed trade to the league office that would send Chris Paul to Los Angeles.
In its capacity as the owner of the Hornets, the NBA will have to sign off on the deal before it becomes final.
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports that Luis Scola, Kevin Martin and a 2012 draft pick would still be sent by the Rockets to the Hornets as part of the deal.
Other details have not yet been reported but the changes to the trade are between the Lakers and the Hornets.



Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217313/New_Paul_Trade_Submitted_To_NBA_For_Approval#ixzz1 gADX6GdV

[Banzai]

Are you asking me?

everyone..cause I keep reading(probably rumors) that NO wants Bynum and Pau for trade to work etc.

[Koolaid_Man]

CP3 and Okafor to LA...I think Okafor will be packaged along with Bynum to Orlando for D12..and if we can't trade him then it will be Bynum and Ebanks and Character

[Koolaid_Man]

our line-up next year should be

Kobe
Dwight
CP3
Artest
Okafor

[Killakobe81]

You know who also agreed to the KG trade? The owners of the respective teams. The owners of the Hornets did not agree it was a good basketball trade so they squashed it, not the NBA. They were 100% correct as evidenced by LA likely still willing to give up more.



Do I think that was the only reason for the owner of the Hornets to veto a trade his GM brought to him, no, but it was the biggest reason IMO because it was a shit deal and they clearly left money on the table again evidenced by the fact they played hard ball and will get a better deal as they should. Demps is just a dummy and his owner wouldn't let him get taken completely advantage of.

No the reason the Lakers have to make adjustments is because Stern took away some leverage. Plenty of basketball insiders said the hornets won with the leverage they had at that time. Stern did do them a favor by pissing off Odom and Pau ... but that trade was not crap. And only blind homers see that. Despite Getting Pau ROx had the weakest part of that deal, but word is Nene would be signed to pair with Pau ...if that did happen ROx would have two of the 10 best offensive post players in the league.

[Banzai]

our line-up next year should be

Kobe
Dwight
CP3
Artest
Okafor

Assuming Dwight even comes over..I read Nene is holding out until he knows pAU GOES TO hOUSTON.

[Koolaid_Man]

Assuming Dwight even comes over..I read Nene is holding out until he knows pAU GOES TO hOUSTON.

my only problem in all of this is Kobe's stats are going to suffer more...it'll take him longer to surpass MJ in scoring...but fuck it as long as he gets to #7

[DPG21920]

No the reason the Lakers have to make adjustments is because Stern took away some leverage. Plenty of basketball insiders said the hornets won with the leverage they had at that time. Stern did do them a favor by pissing off Odom and Pau ... but that trade was not crap. And only blind homers see that. Despite Getting Pau ROx had the weakest part of that deal, but word is Nene would be signed to pair with Pau ...if that did happen ROx would have two of the 10 best offensive post players in the league.

Lakers have to make adjustments because at the last second, which I agree makes them look unorganized, the Hornets owner told his GM you didn't get enough and I'm not allowing us to do the deal. Go get more because just holding onto him for 1 year and letting him go for free is a better deal for us.

[Koolaid_Man]

Lakers have to make adjustments because at the last second, which I agree makes them look unorganized, the Hornets owner told his GM you didn't get enough and I'm not allowing us to do the deal. Go get more because just holding onto him for 1 year and letting him go for free is a better deal for us.


not true..you can't sell that to a potential new owner...:lol we have em by the balls deepy just like I have you

[rascal]

Wrong. San Antonio just doesn't have the trade assets the Lakers do.

The Lakers superior FO put the team in the position to trade for a CP3 and Dwight after winning another back to back. What did SA do? Trade for a player everybody knew was already washed-up and then overpaid him, again. And they still haven't amnesty'd the guy. lol

Exactly. The spurs have made bad moves the last few years and have ended up with little in trade assets they are willing to trade. They are very conservative and have ridden the same team for too long now.

[DPG21920]

not true..you can't sell that to a potential new owner...:lol we have em by the balls deepy just like I have you

Of course you sell that to an owner. Doing the original trade no doubt lowers the value of the franchise.

[ChumpDumper]

not true..you can't sell that to a potential new owner.You absolutely can. In fact, holding on to your biggest trade chip in a huge expiring salary is the best possible move to attract a buyer this season.

[Koolaid_Man]

Of course you sell that to an owner. Doing the original trade no doubt lowers the value of the franchise.

:lol How?


We have this great team in NO for sale for $300 mil...no real talent...some run of the mill players and ohhh we got that 1 draft pick (25th pick) that might pan out...

:lol uh ok

[DJ Mbenga]

this is really being protected by the league. no details have leaked. also they are taking their sweet time to asses this

[rascal]

When the dust settles and the season begins the Lakers will take the floor with a younger more talented team than San Antonio.

[Koolaid_Man]

You absolutely can. In fact, holding on to your biggest trade chip in a huge expiring salary is the best possible move to attract a buyer this season.


and what will ticket sales look like...ohhh let's ask MJ and Dan Gilbert...you're a moron if you beleive this...and a gay one at that :lol

[ChumpDumper]

When the dust settles and the season begins the Lakers will take the floor with a younger more talented team than San Antonio.Why do you watch basketball?

[Fpoonsie]

this is really being protected by the league. no details have leaked. also they are taking their sweet time to asses this

Would that make it easier for the trade to go through? Or are the owners kept up-to-date on proceedings and it's just the general public that's left in the dark?

[ChumpDumper]

and what will ticket sales look like...ohhh let's ask MJ and Dan Gilbert...you're a moron if you beleive this...and a gay one at that :lolThey already have this season's ticket sales subsidized. And Paul would sell more additional tickets this season than Scola and shitty future draft picks.

lakerfan doesn't understand why they got Gasol in the first place.

[Koolaid_Man]

They already have this season's ticket sales subsidized. And Paul would sell more additional tickets this season than Scola and shitty future draft picks.

lakerfan doesn't understand why they got Gasol in the first place.


not a good business case to sell if you ask me...what happens when they're no longer subsidized? Paul will mail it in...you have no understanding how this works...fielding a competitive team that could potentially have a higher seeding than the Spurs is what will sell...not a disgruntled star who will mail it in...

go back to sitting on 14 inchers you have no clue

[ChumpDumper]

not a good business case to sell if you ask me...Who asked you? You pretend to be black. That's bad business practice in itself.
what happens when they're no longer subsidized? Paul will mail it in...you have no understanding how this works...You have no understanding how season tickets work :lmao
fielding a competitive team could potentially have a higher seeding than the Spurs is what will sell...That team won't do shit. You don't know anything about basketball either. :lol
not a disgruntled star who will mail it in...Who says he has to stay when the new owner gets there?


go back to sitting on 14 inchers you have no clueGo back to fantasizing about me -- oh, wait. You never stopped fantasizing about me. You aren't black.

[thispego]

Pretty funny how sterne vetoes this trade but the Pau for peanuts trade was allowed. Fucking hilarious bullshit

[Koolaid_Man]

Who asked you? You pretend to be black. That's bad business practice in itself.You have no understanding how season tickets work :lmaoThat team won't do shit. You don't know anything about basketball either. :lolWho says he has to stay when the new owner gets there?

Go back to fantasizing about me -- oh, wait. You never stopped fantasizing about me. You aren't black.


UKamAO_oo-0

[Pelicans78]

Pretty funny how sterne vetoes this trade but the Pau for peanuts trade was allowed. Fucking hilarious bullshit

The league owns the Hornets. They didn't own the Lakers or Grizzlies.

[ChumpDumper]

UKamAO_oo-0You want to, though. As much as you want to be black tbh.

[21_Blessings]

Pretty funny how sterne vetoes this trade but the Pau for peanuts trade was allowed. Fucking hilarious bullshit

That peanut just shit all over your franchise in the 1st round.

Show some respect for a great trade between two teams.

[Giuseppe]

That peanut just shit all over your franchise in the 1st round.

:lol

[Josepatches_]

That peanut just shit all over your franchise in the 1st round.



Lol...but it's true

[DPG21920]

BR, sons are you on Twitter :lol Matt Bilinsky is mad!

Matt:


@DPG21920 Oh please, they killed it out of sheer spite. If they preferred to do what you say they do - simply cut salary and go to the

@DPG21920 lottery for 5 years they wouldn't even try to move him. No deals they're discussing are salary cutters

@DPG21920 Bet you $1,000 they dont get a better talent haul through trade than this. Unless a slightly better one w/ the same teams involved

Me:


@mattbilinsky That makes 0 sense. Why just let him go if you can improve via trading him? You should try, but this trade sucked.

Matthew:


@DPG21920 Your logic: "because a GM can get solid (but not equal) return for one of the Top 5 players in the game, he is also sure to turn

@DPG21920 a talentless franchise into a contender through the draft within 5 years." Yeah, cuz it's that easy. Fucking moron.

@DPG21920 Have some balls and take my bet. $5k they can't get better talent haul nor a star plus cap-room.


Me:


@mattbilinsky I also love ur logic. "Demps is smart enough to make great trades, but not rebuild through the draft".

@mattbilinsky lol that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of and makes absolutely 0 sense. Why u mad tho?

Matty:


@DPG21920 Best you can do huh? Not surprising coming from some meaningless hick. Enjoy your day.


Me:


@mattbilinsky Listen, its not my fault this is so hard for you to grasp. Empty vessels make the most noise and you are being really loud lol

Matt:


@DPG21920 No it's just your fault you make ludicrous argument that about 2% of b-ball analysts agree w/ then spend the rest of the convo

@DPG21920 making direct contradictions. You don't know shit about this subject & I can't imagine your insight into other aspects of life

@DPG21920 are much better. I don't suffer fools, not even redneck nobodies like you.

Me:


@mattbilinsky I just don't get why you are so angry, Matthew.

Matthew:


@DPG21920 Haha oh please, you're trying the linguistic jiu jitsu game? I'm a black belt. Go slink back off to your mom's basement.

@DPG21920 You can sit there and contemplate why people think you're a moron. You'll figure out after a few hours of deep thought.

Me:


@mattbilinsky Cool typical internet catch phrases broesph. Someone who's truly smart can disagree w/o getting so angry.

@mattbilinsky Your insults really relevant to the topic at hand. Congrats, you are winning the internets.

Matt:


@DPG21920 Instigate, then claim victimhood when attacked. That's a recipe for success in life. Good luck with that.

yea, he mad

[Banzai]

BR, sons are you on Twitter :lol Matt Bilinsky is mad!

Matt:



Me:



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yea, he mad

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[Pelicans78]

I'm actually Matt Bilinsky.

[DPG21920]

lol why u mad bro

[Pelicans78]

lol why u mad bro

Because YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!

[DPG21920]

lol This is Matty's background on his Twitter:

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m524/jjutd/Matt.jpg

[DeadlyDynasty]

Omfg that is some funny shit :rollin

This thread just reached epic status

[Fpoonsie]

:rollin

[Banzai]

lol This is Matty's background on his Twitter:

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[slick'81]

The Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets sent an updated deal to the NBA for approval on Saturday night, and there is no timetable yet for a decision.

We're waiting for the news to crawl in here, but the league is so painted into a corner that the arm-twisting is taking time. Their 'big' additions so far have been Devin Ebanks, Patrick Patterson, and Courtney Lee to the Hornets, with the Lakers taking back Jason Smith and Marcus Banks to reduce Hornet expenditures. The Lakers are also said to be looking to acquire a first round pick to offer to sweeten the deal, but they're not going to give up the farm when many believe they gave up too much already. The Lakers are still in the Dwight Howard hunt, as well. Stay tuned.

[Giuseppe]

Marcus Banks

Lord-a-mighty.