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Nbadan
12-09-2011, 08:40 PM
If your against another war you'd better speak up more serious because this war can't, and won't stay covert forever.....the prize...the Iranian oil fields...what else...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/12/7/1323290466307/Iranians-honour-dead-Revo-007.jpg
Escalation of the covert US-Israeli campaign against Tehran risks a global storm. Opposition has to get more serious


The attacks are not directly acknowledged, but accompanied by intelligence-steered nods and winks as the media are fed a stream of hostile tales – the most outlandish so far being an alleged Iranian plot to kill the Saudi ambassador to the US – and the western powers ratchet up pressure for yet more sanctions over Iran's nuclear programme.

The British government's decision to take the lead in imposing sanctions on all Iranian banks and pressing for an EU boycott of Iranian oil triggered the trashing of its embassy in Tehran by demonstrators last week and subsequent expulsion of Iranian diplomats from London.

It's a taste of how the conflict can quickly escalate, as was the downing of a US spyplane over Iranian territory at the weekend. What one Israeli official has called a "new kind of war" has the potential to become a much more old-fashioned one that would threaten us all.

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There is in fact no reliable evidence that Iran is engaged in a nuclear weapons programme. The latest International Atomic Energy Agency report once again failed to produce a smoking gun, despite the best efforts of its new director general, Yukiya Amano – described in a WikiLeaks cable as "solidly in the US court on every strategic decision".

As in the runup to the invasion of Iraq, the strongest allegations are based on "secret intelligence" from western governments. But even the US national intelligence director, James Clapper, has accepted that the evidence suggests Iran suspended any weapons programme in 2003 and has not reactivated it.

The whole campaign has an Alice in Wonderland quality about it. Iran, which says it doesn't want nuclear weapons, is surrounded by nuclear-weapon states: the US – which also has forces in neighbouring Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as military bases across the region – Israel, Russia, Pakistan and India.

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There seems little doubt that the US administration is deeply wary of a direct attack on Iran. But in Israel, Barak has spoken of having less than a year to act; Binyamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has talked about making the "right decision at the right moment"; and the prospects of drawing the US in behind an Israeli attack have been widely debated in the media.

Maybe it won't happen. Maybe the war talk is more about destabilisation than a full-scale attack. But there are undoubtedly those in the US, Israel and Britain who think otherwise. And the threat of miscalculation and the logic of escalation could tip the balance decisively. Unless opposition to an attack on Iran gets serious, this could become the most devastating Middle East war of all.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/07/iran-war-already-begun

It's really scary that we are getting dragged into another war with no proof of what we are alleging is happening....its WMDs and imminent threat all over again...millions could die....

spursncowboys
12-09-2011, 08:51 PM
US installing a computer virus into their nuclear power plant's computers I doubt has anything to do with their oil. If we need to be fighting anyone over land disputes involving oil, it should be the Arctic Sea with Russia.

Nbadan
12-09-2011, 08:55 PM
US installing a computer virus into their nuclear power plant's computers I doubt has anything to do with their oil. If we need to be fighting anyone over land disputes involving oil, it should be the Arctic Sea with Russia.

This has everything to do with oil....I wouldn't be surprised if years from now we find out that we quietly, and not-so covertly, supported the French and British in Libya for their future support in Iran

Nbadan
12-09-2011, 09:14 PM
Each star marks a US millitary base,

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377249_278904845495696_199067310146117_849951_9658 21340_n.jpg

spursncowboys
12-09-2011, 10:05 PM
Each star marks a US millitary base,

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377249_278904845495696_199067310146117_849951_9658 21340_n.jpg
1. Those are all bases. Some of those stars are not even used and others are not manned by american military.
2. With most of those stars being in two countries we are at war with, I would hope we had bases around.
3. What is the implication?

We have never hidden the fact that we do not support the Mullahs controlled Iran. Do you have any real facts that we are after Iran's oil or is this another liberal conspiracy theory?

ChumpDumper
12-09-2011, 10:30 PM
Is Iran somehow restricting its oil exports now, dan?

Yonivore
12-09-2011, 11:40 PM
'Bout time we had a war on Iran, they've been having one on us since the Carter Administration.

And, Joe, you said the Iraq war was about oil. Where's the fucking oil?

Wild Cobra
12-09-2011, 11:46 PM
The liberals always say it's about oil. Have we seen any yet?

Nbadan
12-09-2011, 11:51 PM
Is Iran somehow restricting its oil exports now, dan?

Restricting? :lol

It's about controlling the flow of oil...we dictate where the oil goes

Nbadan
12-09-2011, 11:52 PM
The liberals always say it's about oil. Have we seen any yet?

If we haven't you'd better be pissed....think of it this way, we are now surpassing all amount that Pre-war Iraq was putting out and we still can't meet a growing demand without price flexibility...it's like I've been saying for years, Saudi oil production has long peaked and the capitalist markets know that in order for them to keep growing, they must scrounge for whatever is left..

Nbadan
12-10-2011, 12:03 AM
The liberals always say it's about oil. Have we seen any yet?

YOu silly goose....it's not about oil for you...


Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Friday that Baghdad wouldn't terminate ExxonMobil Corp.'s contract to develop the West Qurna-1 oil field in southern Iraq as punishment for signing a deal with the country's semi-autonomous Kurdistan region, with whom Baghdad has a long-running dispute over land and the sharing of oil resources.

"We have not cancelled its contract in the south," said Mr. Maliki in an interview with The Wall Street Journal ahead of a scheduled state visit to Washington next week.

"We are looking for a way for (Exxon Mobil's) other contracts in any area to be within the legal contexts, but as for cancelling its contract in the south, no."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203501304577088362771645908.html

ChumpDumper
12-10-2011, 12:14 AM
Restricting? :lol

It's about controlling the flow of oil...we dictate where the oil goesWhere is it going now?

Be specific.

greyforest
12-10-2011, 12:29 AM
makes sense
http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/who-has-the-oil.jpg

Wild Cobra
12-10-2011, 01:46 AM
If we haven't you'd better be pissed....
Why?

The war was never about oil. That was a liberal fantasy.

ChumpDumper
12-10-2011, 01:49 AM
Restricting? :lol

It's about controlling the flow of oil...we dictate where the oil goesWell, over half Iran's oil already goes to US allies, so what's the problem?

PublicOption
12-10-2011, 04:42 AM
Why are we fucking with them? If they have nukes, so what. We have nukes.

Let China or Russia deal with them.....why are we?

mingus
12-10-2011, 05:07 AM
it would set this country back on many levels if we got nuked, but we would recover, eventually. Iran would be blown away into oblivion by a retaliatory nuke or nukes. wgaf about their nuclear operation. they're not going to do anything with them.

PublicOption
12-10-2011, 05:12 AM
you do realize Iran is about 10000 miles away from us, you are talking like they in Central America.

Jacob1983
12-10-2011, 05:12 AM
I second that. Iran would be suicidal if they fired upon America or Israel. It would be blown off the map if it fired on America or Israel. And you know Israel would love that shit. Maybe, Iran will be Obama's Iraq.

Winehole23
12-10-2011, 05:12 AM
H/t, rg

Winehole23
12-10-2011, 05:22 AM
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5482192&highlight=Stuxnet#post5482192

Winehole23
12-10-2011, 05:23 AM
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5346340&highlight=Stuxnet#post5346340

Winehole23
12-10-2011, 05:24 AM
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5151294&highlight=Stuxnet#post5151294

Winehole23
12-10-2011, 05:25 AM
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4784666&highlight=Stuxnet#post4784666

Winehole23
12-10-2011, 05:25 AM
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4654124&highlight=Stuxnet#post4654124

Winehole23
12-10-2011, 05:27 AM
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4640337&highlight=Stuxnet#post4640337

Winehole23
12-10-2011, 05:27 AM
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4638104&highlight=Stuxnet#post4638104

Agloco
12-10-2011, 11:36 AM
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5346340&highlight=Stuxnet#post5346340

There it is. RG and I were discussing this article (among others) over lunch the other day. One of the best I've read in some time.

boutons_deux
12-10-2011, 11:54 AM
why?

The war was never about oil. That was a liberal fantasy.

you lie

spursncowboys
12-10-2011, 12:21 PM
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5346340&highlight=Stuxnet#post5346340

This is a great article

Nbadan
12-10-2011, 04:16 PM
Wow...stuxnet may open up a can of worms that is unimaginable...I really don't think that its creators knew the future vulnerabilities that they maybe exposing in their own machines when they put out this zero-point virus..,,,truly frightening...

ChumpDumper
12-10-2011, 04:37 PM
So where does whoever is wanting war with Iran for the oil want Iran's oil to go, dan?

CosmicCowboy
12-10-2011, 04:56 PM
Wow...stuxnet may open up a can of worms that is unimaginable...I really don't think that its creators knew the future vulnerabilities that they maybe exposing in their own machines when they put out this zero-point virus..,,,truly frightening...

Well, those zero points are obviously patched now...

Nbadan
12-10-2011, 10:03 PM
Well, those zero points are obviously patched now...

What your talking about it patching every component of what us old mainframers called machine language....that's impossible...

but my real concern is that the code is out there now, it can be simply manipulated a little and you've got a whole different zero point virus...

Winehole23
12-11-2011, 03:53 AM
There it is. RG and I were discussing this article (among others) over lunch the other day. One of the best I've read in some time.Appreciate the feedback. Until just now I had zero responses to that post.

Winehole23
12-11-2011, 03:55 AM
Not that that's so unusual, but it's nice to know somebody else concurs more or less.

Winehole23
12-11-2011, 03:56 AM
I wanted to nominate it for thread of the year, but you can't really do that when you get zero replies.

Winehole23
12-11-2011, 03:59 AM
This is a great articleThank you. I thought so too.

boutons_deux
12-11-2011, 07:17 AM
"'Bout time we had a war on Iran,"

-- Yoni, non-combattant

"we" :lol

People bitchin about the national debt while wanting to spend a few $100B and 1000s of US lives attacking Iraq.