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Marcus Bryant
12-12-2011, 11:28 PM
http://www.tnr.com/book/review/spirits-cold-war-ned-o-gorman
boutons_deux
12-13-2011, 09:05 AM
A good review, but nothing surprising here.

Does anybody think that a person's "nature and/or nurture" doesn't affect everything in their lives?
Yonivore
12-13-2011, 09:23 AM
A good review, but nothing surprising here.

Does anybody think that a person's "nature and/or nurture" doesn't affect everything in their lives?
In the days of an "alcoholic gene," yes; I think there are people who think they were born the way they are and nothing's affected that since.
boutons_deux
12-13-2011, 09:39 AM
alcoholism, obesity, infidelity, wife-beating, pedophilia are topics in the "nurture vs nature" eternal argument.

I believe they are mostly nurture, with the kids being imprinted very deeply, beyond conscious reach, with their parents' behaviors (drunkeness (includes wider abuse of any substance), obesity/overweight, philandering, wife-beating, pedophilia) as implicitly approving those behaviors, in spite of non-parental, ie, less powerful, "nurture" decrying such behavior, and even if the kids know intellectually they're wrong/bad, they are programmed emotionally with those behaviors as how the kids-as-adults could or should be.
Yonivore
12-13-2011, 09:42 AM
alcoholism, obesity, infidelity, wife-beating, pedophilia are topics in the "nurture vs nature" eternal argument.

I believe they are mostly nurture, with the kids being imprinted very deeply, beyond conscious reach, with their parents' behaviors (drunkeness (includes wider abuse of any substance), obesity/overweight, philandering, wife-beating, pedophilia) as implicitly approving those behaviors, in spite of non-parental, ie, less powerful, "nurture" decrying such behavior, and even if the kids know intellectually they're wrong/bad, they are programmed emotionally with those behaviors as how the kids-as-adults could or should be.
We are not in disagreement.
boutons_deux
12-13-2011, 10:19 AM
Choked on that one, huh?

Come on, Yoni, say it like you really feel it

"Boutons, I agree with you, and I really love you, man" :lol
Yonivore
12-13-2011, 10:27 AM
Choked on that one, huh?

Come on, Yoni, say it like you really feel it

"Boutons, I agree with you, and I really love you, man" :lol
Well, that will never happen but, I do agree, there is no gene that controls behavior -- we're all a product of our experiences from conception to death.