*** Official Dallas Mavericks 2011-2012 Discussion thread ***

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Here is two of our newest Mavericks...

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/5c/fullj.170b69fce4f9c36618a1b5dad7f8cc0e/ap-201112131226447923023.jpg

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[Giuseppe]

Where's Chandler, Barea and Butler?

[Muser]

VC really needs to shave..

[ElNono]

Here is two of our newest Mavericks...

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/5c/fullj.170b69fce4f9c36618a1b5dad7f8cc0e/ap-201112131226447923023.jpg

:lobt2::lobt2:

That's pretty stacked, tbh... what does the bench look like? Just Donatello?

[Axe Murderer]

Mavs to sign Delonte West

tbh i've always liked his game (even though I'd be tempted to punch him in the face if I saw him in person) he always played pretty well off LeBron and I feel he could do the same with Nowitzki

This team might not repeat but they will again be tough to beat this season
:lobt2:

[ElNono]

Forgot about bi-polar... quality/not-quality pickup... depending on what side of him you get...

[Giuseppe]

This team might not repeat but

No fuckin' (buts). You'll either ring, or, you'll be up in front of the man.

[Muser]

All depends on what big man they get.

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Nicest thing about West, is he gives us a guy who can actually stick with the super-quick PGs, such as Parker, Rose, and CP3. Of course he wont shut them down, as no one really can, but his ability to stay with them and be physical, will mean those types of players wont eat the Mavs up quite as easily as they used to.

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All depends on what big man they get.

If Haywood plays hard, the Mavs should be alright, although I would prefer if they could get Dalembert or someone like that.

[Axe Murderer]

Nicest thing about West, is he gives us a guy who can actually stick with the super-quick PGs, such as Parker, Rose, and CP3. Of course he wont shut them down, as no one really can, but his ability to stay with them and be physical, will mean those types of players wont eat the Mavs up quite as easily as they used to.

+1

he also seems like he could be a Vujacic/Varejao douchey-annoying player that every quality team needs. Like I said I'd love to punch him in the face which is why i'm glad he's on our team

[ElNono]

tbh, it's all in the hands of...

Based Marion

[Axe Murderer]

:lol i just remembered our Marion will outplay _______ in this series :) schtick from last year

[ElNono]

:lol Dok
:lol http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180298

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lol the Mavs should start Odom at the 2, and have a ridiculously massive lineup

Kidd 6'4
Odom 6'10
Marion 6'7
Dirk 7'0
Haywood 7'0

the defense/rebounding would be fantastic, thats for sure.

Personally, I think some consideration should be given to West starting at the 2, so he can defend the more deadly opposing guard. He is fully capable of hitting open shots, handling the ball, and penetrating when given the chance. He can provide what Stevenson brought, but even more. He also has a very underrated post game, so opposing defenders who are undersized or suck, can't just hide themselves on Stevenson like they did last year.

[Killakobe81]

lol the Mavs should start Odom at the 2, and have a ridiculously massive lineup

Kidd 6'4
Odom 6'10
Marion 6'7
Dirk 7'0
Haywood 7'0

the defense/rebounding would be fantastic, thats for sure.

Personally, I think some consideration should be given to West starting at the 2, so he can defend the more deadly opposing guard. He is fully capable of hitting open shots, handling the ball, and penetrating when given the chance. He can provide what Stevenson brought, but even more. He also has a very underrated post game, so opposing defenders who are undersized or suck, can't just hide themselves on Stevenson like they did last year.

Best part of this signing besides his defense ...

TBH, Even though im starting to get annoyed with the local Mavs fans here with their chest puffed out, If we (lakers) can't win 17, I would LOVE to see a Mavs/Heat re-match.

[Kyle Orton]

Tbh we really need Dirk Nowitzki here right now to pump us up :cry

Hope everyone returns this season. Except bullsfaggot1000

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Tbh we really need Dirk Nowitzki here right now to pump us up :cry

Hope everyone returns this season. Except bullsfaggot1000

sup Kyle

[Kyle Orton]

sup 'ayslee

[lefty]

Somewhat stacked

[Mav-elous Man]

Where's Chandler, Barea and Butler?


Taking turns on your mom.

[endrity]

Taking turns on your mom.

Damn!

[Jodelo]

That's pretty stacked, tbh... what does the bench look like? Just Donatello?

Let´s say: Kidd-Carter-Marion-Dirk-Haywood are the starters.

Bench: Roddy, Terry, Odom, Mahinmi, West, Brewer and Cardinal/Jones/Wright.

Pretty good! ;)

[Jodelo]

Taking turns on your mom.

And again owned! :lol

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If VC makes a dedicated effort to improve and focus heavily on defense, like Caron Butler did when coming to Dallas, that will make the Mavs so much more deadly.

Having his mix of size and skills at SG is something the Mavs haven't had since Finley.

Either him or West should end up starting at SG. West is probably a better matchup overall defensively, but Carter's scoring ability should really help take some heat off Dirk to begin games.

[Giuseppe]

Where's Chandler, Barea and Butler?

[JamStone]

so they're trading Rudy to Denver??

lol Spain

[Jodelo]

Maybe together with Brewer...

[Giuseppe]

So what the Hell happened to Butler, Chandler, and Barea?

[pass1st]

They went to go fuck your mother some more, Curly.

[Giuseppe]

They went to go fuck your mother some more, Curly.

lmemulatedao!!!

[Jodelo]

They went to go fuck your mother some more, Curly.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

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so they're trading Rudy to Denver??

lol Spain

Hopefully they get something valuable. I was excited when the Mavs drafted Jordan Hamilton. But I was also happy with getting Fernandez, under the impression he would be used. Now, its annoying that they traded away a youthful talent for basically nothing.

[Giuseppe]

So what happened to Butler, Chandler, and Barea?

[Giuseppe]

...& Stevenson?

tee, hee.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

They went to go fuck your mother some more, Curly.

:lol

[Giuseppe]

^I'm still waitin:::what happened to Butler, Chandler, Barea, & Stevenson?

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So what happened to Butler, Chandler, and Barea?


...& Stevenson?

tee, hee.

Replaced by Vince Carter, Lamar Odom, Delonte West, and Roddy B.

we staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked

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[Giuseppe]

^Fine. That's all I asked...

Now Pass can go back and fuck his mother some more.

[mavsfan1000]

So we basically traded Odom for Fernandez and Brewer. Can't believe how many players the Mavs are getting rid of.

[badfish22]

Gave Brewer & Rudy away for a 2nd rounder. Sucks to see Brewer go.

[badfish22]

So what happened to Butler

He hasn't been here in over a year, cubby.

[Giuseppe]

He hasn't been here in over a year, cubby.

Now wait a minute:::You threw him in my face every day he was eligible. If he was good enough to crow about then, he's a loss now.

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Now wait a minute:::You threw him in my face every day he was eligible. If he was good enough to crow about then, he's a loss now.

Only thing to crow about is the fact that he got to hoist one of these :lobt2:

While not playing a single minute in the playoffs.

Mavs = mufuggin staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked

[Giuseppe]

Only thing to crow about is the fact that he got to hoist one of these :lobt2:

While not playing a single minute in the playoffs.

Mavs = mufuggin staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked

& he walked away with Chandler, Barea, Stevenson, Brewer, Rudy.

C'mon. Act like somebody.

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Gave Brewer & Rudy away for a 2nd rounder. Sucks to see Brewer go.

Opens some cap space though, for a couple guys who weren't going to play anyways. Mavs are doing a great job of getting themselves set up for next year, while giving themselves a solid chance at a repeat, two things that 99% of Mavs fans thought there was no chance in hell happening. That they could only either gear up for next year, or try to contend this year, but not both.

Major :toast to the FO.




Perhaps this opens the door for a return of D-Steve? :king

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Opens some cap space though, for a couple guys who weren't going to play anyways. Mavs are doing a great job of getting themselves set up for next year, while giving themselves a solid chance at a repeat, two things that 99% of Mavs fans thought there was no chance in hell happening. That they could only either gear up for next year, or try to contend this year, but not both.

Major :toast to the FO.




Perhaps this opens the door for a return of D-Steve? :king

i hate yo azz, but you speak the truth.

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& he walked away with Chandler, Barea, Stevenson, Brewer, Rudy.

C'mon. Act like somebody.

Bend over.

I'll show you how to act like somebody.

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:depressed

RIP #41 shoot em up

:depressed:depressed:depressed

[DPG21920]

Marion looks bigger in that pic.

[mavs>spurs]

The one problem I have with all the moves they have been making is when you are this stacked, you don't waste a roster spot on Findog Cardinal and let Brewer go. We have like 14 players right now and I'd kind of like to see stevenson back tbh.

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The one problem I have with all the moves they have been making is when you are this stacked, you don't waste a roster spot on Findog Cardinal and let Brewer go. We have like 14 players right now and I'd kind of like to see stevenson back tbh.

Cardinal is an enforcer / male cheerleader.

Those guys are essential for a title contender.

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Also, they did Brewer a favor, by letting him go somewhere that he will likely get more PT. The kid deserves it, but wasn't going to get it in Dallas.

[mavs>spurs]

Cardinal is an enforcer / male cheerleader.

Those guys are essential for a title contender.

color me n!ggered but I'd rather have a roster full of guys who can play. we still need to clear space for a real C, I'm not comfortable with Mahinmi.

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well that one PG they signed the other day is almost certainly just practice squad fodder, so consider the roster to be 13.

I agree they could use another C though. If they found a way to somehow snag Dalembert, I'm fully confident in a repeat.

[Kyle Orton]

Tbh dat niqqa cardinal made plays in the Miami series even knocking the fuck out of wade and injuring him.

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Rumor has it that there are Peja sightings in Dallas... possible vets minimum return?

I'm not against it as long as it doesnt affect their ability to get another C (which it shouldnt)

[mavs>spurs]

look at the roster and tell me exactly what's the point?

[Kyle Orton]

look at the roster and tell me exactly what's the point?

Good shooter off the bench that can deliver. Used situationally obviously.

[mavs>spurs]

Kidd/West/Beaubois
Carter/Jet/Beaubois
marion/LO/Wright
Dirk/LO/Wright/Findog
Haywood/Mahinmi

y

[mavs>spurs]

that's 12 right there not even counting stevenson who we really should resign if we want to guard kobe, wade, etc in the playoffs. after the way peja shit the bed vs miami and looked scared to be on the floor i was hoping we don't resign him.

[Kyle Orton]

1 year deal for vet min would be good tbh.

Mavs are set for next summer to possibly get Howard AND Deron.

Amnesty Haywood/Marion to clear up another 8 mill and the Mavs are looking at 20-25mill in cap space.

[Kyle Orton]

Props to the Mavs FO for staying competitive this season but being major players in FA next summer :tu

[Giuseppe]

Kidd/West/Beaubois
Carter/Jet/Beaubois
marion/LO/Wright
Dirk/LO/Wright/Findog
Haywood/Mahinmi

y

:rolleyes

[Giuseppe]

Props to the Mavs FO for staying competitive this season but being major players in FA next summer :tu

Uh, uh. None of that "competitive" crapola. You'll ring come June, or, you'll be in last place with the other 28 teams.

[mavs>spurs]

1 year deal for vet min would be good tbh.

Mavs are set for next summer to possibly get Howard AND Deron.

Amnesty Haywood/Marion to clear up another 8 mill and the Mavs are looking at 20-25mill in cap space.

probably why they won't end up going after dalembert, i'm thinking he wants more than a 1 year deal and they ain't fuckin up their chances at those 2.

[mavs>spurs]

would be cool if dirk restructured his deal and took like 5m less for 1 season just to sign those 2, that would be insane tbh.

[Kyle Orton]

Could see him restructuring tbh

At the end of the day, we fuckin staaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked

[Kyle Orton]

And it's out of our control but I'd take the chance of not gettin Dally if it means we have a great shot at deron and/or howard

[Giuseppe]

^If you think yer riding that next season horse unscathed you've another thing coming.

[mavs>spurs]

And it's out of our control but I'd take the chance of not gettin Dally if it means we have a great shot at deron and/or howard

exactly. tbh it isn't a stretch at all to call it a possibility, we will only have like 33 mil on the books guaranteed next year if we amnesty marion or brenda, that gives us plenty of money to sign both, and maybe even do more damage if dirk were willing to restructure to be part of a dynasty. And don't forget the MLE too. this is looking better and better the more i think about it.

[mavs>spurs]

^If you think yer riding that next season horse unscathed you've another thing coming.

Cubby you're an idiot if you sign dalembert this year when you have a chance to bring both Deron and Dwight to Dallas next year, sorry but that's about on par with your Suns prediction and I tried to be nice about that.

[mavsfan1000]

lol Dallas isn't getting Howard. I'm pretty sure it will be the Lakers. That is why they unloaded Odom.

[Kyle Orton]

lol Dallas isn't getting Howard. I'm pretty sure it will be the Lakers. That is why they unloaded Odom.

:lmao shut the fuck up bandwagoning pussy

[mavs>spurs]

^you should go fist yourself some more, shove it up there real good. howard is a free agent next year and can go wherever he wants if he chooses to do so. lakers won't have the cap space to sign him, only way is if they pull off a trade this year and he chooses to extend with them.

[Giuseppe]

Cubby you're an idiot if you sign dalembert this year when you have a chance to bring both Deron and Dwight to Dallas next year, sorry but that's about on par with your Suns prediction and I tried to be nice about that.

No need to go easy. I wear The Prediction openly.

I just have a sneaking suspicion that you're trying to sell out this season for next season and striving to set the battlefield to accomodate yourself. No. You're not doing it. If you don't ring this season you're going to pay the price.

Let us proceed...

[mavs>spurs]

No need to go easy. I wear The Prediction openly.

I just have a sneaking suspicion that you're trying to sell out this season for next season and striving to set the battlefield to accomodate yourself. No. You're not doing it. If you don't ring this season you're going to pay the price.

Let us proceed...

I fully understand that there are games to be played right now, and I think that we made the right moves to win this year AND next year. I don't see why we won't compete this year, we're reloaded for bear and will be a force to be reckoned with. If we lose then I'll eat shit like every other year, but it doesn't change the fact that what they are doing is absolutely brilliant, first time I've EVER been this high on the FO. They did a truly amazing job.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

:lmao shut the fuck up bandwagoning pussy

I second this motion

[Giuseppe]

Shoot Em, go back and fuck Pass' mother some more.

[mavsfan1000]

:lmao shut the fuck up bandwagoning pussy
The truth hurts. I'm just thinking like most fans. No way Howard would ever pick Dallas. He looks like a bandwagoning player that only picks teams I hate. (Lebron James, D. Wade, Shaq, and etc.) None picked Dallas because they know they are assholes that don't fit here.

[mavs>spurs]

^You look like a complete fucking faggot to me :lmao

[mavsfan1000]

Seriously use your brain. Dwight Howard as a Mav. It just doesn't seem right.

[mavs>spurs]

Last time you used your brain you said the mavs wouldn't ring you little negative ninny :lmao

[mavsfan1000]

My guess is the ideal teams (assuming money wasn't a factor) for Dwight Howard are Miami, OKC, and LAL. I'm pretty sure he was rooting for Miami to beat Dallas in the finals as well. I hardly think he would want to be on this team.

[Kyle Orton]

:lmao you've no credibility. You thought devin was our savior and bitched all night and day when he was traded

[mavs>spurs]

I'm pretty sure you don't know Dwight personally and are completely talking out of your ass. STFU faggot just stop :lmao

[mavs>spurs]

:lmao you've no credibility. You thought devin was our savior and bitched all night and day when he was traded

And acted like Finley never did shit for the franchise, the little sorry motherfucker.

"I was a bull fan back when Jordan played"

:lmao

[mavsfan1000]

I'm pretty sure you don't know Dwight personally and are completely talking out of your ass. STFU faggot just stop :lmao
Howard prefers a certain culture. Wade, Bosh, James, Kobe, Durant, Westbrook, and etc would suit him. I can't see Howard and Dirk being good friends.

[mavsfan1000]

Anyways, I think Cuban show go for the ring now. This team is getting old quick. Why would Howard go to a old team?

[Kyle Orton]

You also thought the mavs could win with devin :lmao

Lol bulls faggot

[mavsfan1000]

You also thought the mavs could win with devin :lmao

Lol bulls faggot
They could have if they had Chandler. Dumpier is a different story though.

[Kyle Orton]

Kidd:1

Devin:0


Now shut the fuck up.

[mavsfan1000]

You know I'm right. You just want to be more positive about the Mavs. I don't blame you but be a little more respectful about it. Kidd did nothing special for this team. It was the other players that took Dallas to a higher level. Kidd's first 2 seasons with Dallas showed that he couldn't take the team to the same level as Devin Harris. He just didn't have the same effect on breaking down defenses that Harris could.

[mavs>spurs]

You know I'm right. You just want to be more positive about the Mavs. I don't blame you but be a little more respectful about it. Kidd did nothing special for this team. It was the other players that took Dallas to a higher level. Kidd's first 2 seasons with Dallas showed that he couldn't take the team to the same level as Devin Harris. He just didn't have the same effect on breaking down defenses that Harris could.

No, you're really not. With Devin Harris instead of Kidd we get curbstomped last year. Devin got curbstomped by Wade in 06 and then Bdiddy whereas Kidd defended kobe, durant for stretches, and wade and did a damn good job. Also spread the floor for everyone with his 3s. Devin "40% from the field shooting chucking faggot" Harris blows harder than you, get off that man's scrot.

[Kyle Orton]

That 07-08 and 08-09 team fuckin sucked.

[Kyle Orton]

:lol starting Antoine wright
:lol hollins
:lol shitty josh Howard

[Spursfan092120]

Mavs signing a bunch of Vets to 1 year contracts to get freed up next year for DHo and Deron Williams...

[Kyle Orton]

+ amnesty hay

[mavsfan1000]

No, you're really not. With Devin Harris instead of Kidd we get curbstomped last year. Devin got curbstomped by Wade in 06 and then Bdiddy whereas Kidd defended kobe, durant for stretches, and wade and did a damn good job. Also spread the floor for everyone with his 3s. Devin "40% from the field shooting chucking faggot" Harris blows harder than you, get off that man's scrot.
Devin Harris with the Mavs. 05-06 46.9% 06-07 49.2% 07-08 48.3%. That is Devin with a good team you fucking fag. Way off on your stats. Just another retarded homer.

[Kyle Orton]

And if I remember correctly, Vince Carter's 2nd and 3rd year are only partially guaranteed as well which allows even more cap flexibility.

[mavs>spurs]

Devin Harris with the Mavs. 05-06 46.9% 06-07 49.2% 07-08 48.3%. That is Devin with a good team you fucking fag. Way off on your stats. Just another retarded homer.

Devin Harris without a stacked team where he's free to be the 4th option and get curbstomped on defense:

43%, 40%, 42%

:lmao

[mavsfan1000]

Devin Harris without a stacked team where he's free to be the 4th option and get curbstomped on defense:

43%, 40%, 42%

:lmao
Does it really matter how well he performs on a bad team? The point is that he was a great fit alongside Dirk. Got us past the Spurs and almost won the finals. He was a great sixth man and could start against certain teams. He provided needed energy off the bench. Without him, Dallas wasn't that good. As proven by their losing in 08.

[mavs>spurs]

Does it really matter how well he performs on a bad team? The point is that he was a great fit alongside Dirk. Got us past the Spurs and almost won the finals. He was a great sixth man and could start against certain teams. He provided needed energy off the bench. Without him, Dallas wasn't that good. As proven by their losing in 08.

Yeah, it does. It shows that he only looked better playing with an excellent 06 mavericks team and that getting curbstomped on defense wasn't worth what he brought to the table. Whenever a player goes somewhere else and falls off a cliff, then the team that got rid of you goes on to win a championship it shows a lot. The mavs absolutely made the right decision letting him go because if you sub Harris for Kidd last year we DON'T win the championship. Kidd's defense on kobe and wade was outstanding, something Harris couldn't do. It's just like when we let nash go, it was nothing personal but it was the right move for US.

[mavsfan1000]

Yeah, it does. It shows that he only looked better playing with an excellent 06 mavericks team and that getting curbstomped on defense wasn't worth what he brought to the table. Whenever a player goes somewhere else and falls off a cliff, then the team that got rid of you goes on to win a championship it shows a lot. The mavs absolutely made the right decision letting him go because if you sub Harris for Kidd last year we DON'T win the championship. Kidd's defense on kobe and wade was outstanding, something Harris couldn't do. It's just like when we let nash go, it was nothing personal but it was the right move for US.
Stevenson and Marion were the ones doing most of the dirty work. This team actually suits Harris more than the mavs of 06. Btw Heat of 06>Heat of 2K11. Harris to the Mavs was as important as Bobby Jackson was for the Kings. No surprise both teams dropped off tremendously once they were not there. While we are at it, Antoine Walker 1 ring. Charles Barkley no ring.

[mavs>spurs]

mavs with kidd: 1 ring

mavs with harris: 0 rings

Harris couldn't ever duplicate what Kidd did for us last year. Not shutting down Wade and Kobe or hitting those 3's. Kidd was the better fit you're just an asshurt bullsfan/homosexual devin harris lover, your take on the whole trade is irrational.

[mavsfan1000]

mavs with kidd: 1 ring

mavs with harris: 0 rings

Harris couldn't ever duplicate what Kidd did for us last year. Not shutting down Wade and Kobe or hitting those 3's. Kidd was the better fit you're just an asshurt bullsfan/homosexual devin harris lover, your take on the whole trade is irrational.
This team would be a whole lot better offensively. Teams will struggle with containing Harris's penetration which will open up other players. If you thought Barea was good, Harris is better and more annoying to other teams. Just ask Tony Parker about how he thought about the trade.

[mavs>spurs]

:lmao Just because the trade made life easier for one player (Parker) doesn't mean it wasn't a good trade for US you ignorant ass. The thing is, we couldn't have Kidd without trading Harris and without Kidd, no championship. Harris wouldn't have and couldn't bring the things to the table Kidd brought last season. He can't shoot and space the floor (Kidd's 3's were huge for us) and he got curbstomped by Wade whereas Kidd defended him excellently. Sorry scrah your crush is unfounded and irrational.

[mavsfan1000]

Stevenson would be guarding Wade. Harris wouldn't need to guard Wade with that lineup. Harris would destroy Bibby though. Kidd couldn't do anything against Bibby. And having Chandler guard the rim was huge for all Dallas players. This team had more talent than 06. Miami had 2 big men in 06. Way more suited to the playoffs when the game slows down.

[mavs>spurs]

Stevenson isn't a guy who is going to play for 40 minutes a night and can't guard them all game long. Kidd guarded those guys to perfection whereas Harris could not. You fail.

[mavsfan1000]

Stevenson isn't a guy who is going to play for 40 minutes a night and can't guard them all game long. Kidd guarded those guys to perfection whereas Harris could not. You fail.
Harris can guard Wade for 10 minutes a game. It's a big difference than him guarding Wade for most of the game which he had to in 06. And Wade wasn't as quick now as he was in 06. He was a nightmare back then with a little help from the refs. Having Chandler guard the rim would also be huge in slowing down Wade.

[dirk4mvp]

lol devin harris

I haven't heard anything about the guy since he hit that half court shot a few years ago.

[mavs>spurs]

^Scro I'll let you take it from here, this guy gave me a headache :dizzy

[Giuseppe]

lol devin harris

I haven't heard anything about the guy since he hit that half court shot a few years ago.

& aside from Dick Jefferson I ain't ever seen a guy look better being shitty than Devin Harris. Uncanny.

[mavsfan1000]

^Scro I'll let you take it from here, this guy gave me a headache :dizzy
:lol

[m>s]

Here is two of our newest Mavericks...

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/5c/fullj.170b69fce4f9c36618a1b5dad7f8cc0e/ap-201112131226447923023.jpg

:lobt2::lobt2:

had you got the same 5 n!ggas on your squad 5 years ago you'd be a certain to win da championship tbh

[Giuseppe]

^Cept without Chandler you've never been able to win squat.

[BlackSwordsMan]

another year for us mav fans

[m>s]

if that's our final squad for the upcoming season, i say they're going to tank it and prepare for the next season and offseason. dirk may still have a few good years ahead of him but we need to plan further, at least in the next 10 years we must ensure that we have a superstar (preferably a dallas native) or a combo of two superstars (a dallas native plus a superman) to lead this team and keep the team great.

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Delonte West needs to remain at the starting 2 guard.

IMO West > Barea overall, just needs the time to gel. But by season's end, we will be happier with West than we were with Barea. They basically bring the same things: penetration, scoring, determination, but periodically make brainless plays. However, West is a MUCH better defender, and is actually capable of taking on speedy guys like Westbrook and Parker, as well as bigger guys like Wade and Kobe, and actually making them all work hard for what they get.

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Also, I think VC is going to fit in quite nicely if he keeps doing what he's been doing... shooting spot up shots (has always been a very underrated jumpshooter), and periodically attacking the rim when the opportunity arises.

But the most important player to get in a groove is Lamar Odom. He's been completely out of sync. But when he does build that chemistry... he can be a VERY deadly weapon and can help take this offense to the next level, and keep the Mavs from struggling so badly when Dirk leaves the game (which was pretty much the story of the game last night against OKC - they made all their runs when Dirk was out).

Way too early to give up on the season Mavs fans... there is a LOT to like about the team. Will they win a championship? Hard to say, with Miami lurking, but they are the only team to feel threatened by in the end, IMO (OKC isn't scary to me in the least bit as they havent shown any real improvement since last season and are still every bit as boneheaded). But staying in contention is still extremely important, especially if they want to have a shot at landing a big FA next year.

[21_Blessings]

I smell a repeat... of 2007

[stretch]

I smell a repeat... of 2007

Lakers getting facefucked in 5 in the first round?

Very likely, tbqmfh.

[BUMP]

I agree that West will replace everything that Barea gave us. Much better shooter/defender and a good penetrator but not quite as good as Barea. Actually has an underrated postgame. I was pretty excited when I found out we got him.

And you're right about Odom. Once he gets in sync with the offense, I think Dallas will be in good shape. He's given us nothing so far but it's obvious he's capable of a lot more.

[mavs>spurs]

The West signing is looking to be brilliant..him checking westbrook last night was a major reason why we were even in it. Wouldn't mind him starting at the 2 at all tbh.

[stretch]

I'm happy with this squad, and strongly believe that they will finish strong, and hopefully can make another nice playoff run.

If they somehow overcame all odds, and pulled off another championship run, I think it would pretty much guarantee that the Mavs at least get one of the big 2 FAs (Dwight and Deron), if not both. As much as some Mavs fans want to say that this season doesn't matter much because they are playing for 2012 free agency, the more successful season they have, the more desirable Dallas becomes to FAs. If they go out and completely lay an egg and miss the playoffs, Dwight and Deron might have second thoughts on whether Dallas is a suitable location for them or not.

Again, I don't think the Mavs will win a championship, I think Miami will. But I do think that if Dallas is firing on all cylinders, they are the only team in the NBA with a legit shot at beating Miami, because they again match up well, in having players that make Wade/Lebron work at both ends of the court, have a major mismatch in Dirk, and have an unquestionably superior coach.

[stretch]

The West signing is looking to be brilliant..him checking westbrook last night was a major reason why we were even in it. Wouldn't mind him starting at the 2 at all tbh.

Shaq was raving about how good the West pickup was for Dallas, and I believe him, considering he has played with West on multiple teams.

[BUMP]

I was just happy to get West because he's that annoying/douchey/dirty player that I've always said every championship team needs.

Anything more he brings is a bonus.

[midnightpulp]

Lakers getting facefucked in 5 in the first round?

Very likely, tbqmfh.

Stretch

[midnightpulp]

I mean, if you ringless clowns are so good then win a fucking game already.

They ain't ringless. They got one now. Swept your shitball team en route.

[midnightpulp]

No they dont, bitch.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1225/dal_u_mavs_banner_cr_300.jpg

[Mav-elous Man]

I mean, if you ringless clowns are so good then win a fucking game already.


:lmao regular season :lmao

:lobt2:

[stretch]

Fellow Mavs fans...

By seasons end, after having had time to adjust with each other, do you think this Mavs team can be as good or potentially even better than last year's squad?



IMO, their offense is going to be immensely superior to last years offense. You can already see the potential that this offense has, and it blows last years offense out of the water, which pretty much was 3 things... Dirk going iso, Dirk playing pick and pop with Terry, or Dirk playing pick and pop with Barea. West and Carter both provide players who are fearless at taking it to the hoop, and dont just settle for tons of jumpshots (although both are very capable of hitting open jumpers). IMO West/Carter > Barea/Butler. The passing/ball movement may actually even be better as well, as West, Carter, and Odom are all fantastic passers. Most of all, when Dirk goes out of the game, the team doesn't suffer offensively nearly as much, with Odom and Carter picking up the slack. Don't underestimate the growth of Mahinmi either, as his ability to score has been a HUGE factor in making defenses play the Mavs more honestly, especially with Dirk out of the game.

The defense out of the center position isn't quite as good, obviously without Chandler, but I think adding West, Odom, and Carter (who has been a superb defender so far and has really bought into the team concept), improves basically all the holes on defense that the team had last year. Thus defense from the center position isn't as neccesary as it was last year. Last year, the perimeter defense was pretty mediocre, to weak. This year, at worst, it is no longer a weakness, but rather a strength even.

They certainly have potential to be better than last years team. Will they? Mavs fans can only hope. If they want to see that, there will need to be 3 things in particular that happen, IMO.

1. West needs to continue playing effective minutes at both ends of the court and making good PG desicions, hopefully uprooting some of Kidd's minutes, leaving Kidd to basically only be out there to start the 1st and 3rd, and to finish off close games when the offense turns into Dirk/Terry time (although even then, I may consider possibly running Terry at PG, and going extra long with Odom and either Marion or Carter at SG/SF).

2. Odom needs to get more comfortable with the offense. He needs to continue to improve to a point where he is part of the closing unit. Odom's shooting ability, length and size makes him more useful in closing situations than Marion or Kidd.

3. Haywood needs to put forth energy and effort consistently. Mahinmi will continue to grow as a player, and will be playing hard consistently. No need to worry about him, as opposed to Haywood actually giving a crap about the game.

[mavs>spurs]

Oh, and less Kidd please. The offense has been sharp the past few games without him.

Tbh. When your typical statlines are 3/4/3, it's time to hang it up imho.

[mavs>spurs]

^then his statlines would only be 2/2/2 :lmao

[mavs>spurs]

it ain't all about that but in this case they are reflective of him doing pretty much nothing out on the court tbh. just taking up space.

[Giuseppe]

You trust Terry/West/Roddy as a ful time PG?

I'm the only one who trusted Barea and look what happened.

[mavs>spurs]

yeah i trust em. kidd is the one who can't be trusted imho.

[mavs>spurs]

let's not forget how many times kidd lost the ball in late game moments last year, even a couple times in the playoffs. he blew a game against portland just by letttin mathews take his cookie and go the other way. i get nervous whenever kidd handles the ball.

[Giuseppe]

let's not forget how many times kidd lost the ball in late game moments last year, even a couple times in the playoffs. he blew a game against portland just by letttin mathews take his cookie and go the other way. i get nervous whenever kidd handles the ball.

But while James & Wade were hunting the EXIT sign, Kidd was hunting 3's.

[mavs>spurs]

But while you were quittin, Butler was on the bench supporting his team not givin up despite injury. Sign Butler to the max!!!

[stretch]

Tbh I think he still brings something to the game but maybe he should only play 20-25 a night

Agreed. They need to be very choosy with the lineups he plays in. IMO, he should never be on the floor when Dirk is off the floor. His inability to do anything but hit spot-up 3s, really hurts the offense when Dirk is out. When Dirk is in, he's a very nice compliment.

[stretch]

Biggest weaknesses right now are rebounding and paint defense. It looks like we are going to see a lot of Dirk at center even with the Hay/Ian combo being solid.

Rebounding definitely needs some improvement, which Odom can really help when he gets in his groove. Also, West seems to have a nice nose for rebounds as well, hopefully he can help with the long rebounds to prevent some opponent fastbreaks.

Why do you think Dirk will play a lot at center, though?

[mavs>spurs]

Agreed. They need to be very choosy with the lineups he plays in. IMO, he should never be on the floor when Dirk is off the floor. His inability to do anything but hit spot-up 3s, really hurts the offense when Dirk is out. When Dirk is in, he's a very nice compliment.

pretty good stuff there. although west takes advantage of the opportunity to attack well when he's in the game with dirk too.

[Giuseppe]

Why do you think Dirk will play a lot at center, though?

Cuz Chandler is ineligible.

tee, hee.

[stretch]

pretty good stuff there. although west takes advantage of the opportunity to attack well when he's in the game with dirk too.

I think a starting duo of Kidd and West is ideal for the team.

As happy as I have been with VC, I think he is more useful off the bench, especially when Dirk goes out of the game. The lack of scoring when Dirk goes out has been the achilles heel of this team for a few years now, including last year. I remember a stat in the Finals showing the Mavs had like an average of +15 +/- when Dirk was in the game, and -14 when he was out, or something really bad like that.

[stretch]

Cuz Chandler is ineligible.

tee, hee.

Have fun with Wigger McRoberts and Puke Walton off the bench, leading to another early playoff exit.

tee, hee.

[mavs>spurs]

Cuz Chandler is ineligible.

tee, hee.

So will Bynum be whenever he inevitably goes down.

haha

[Giuseppe]

Have fun with Wigger McRoberts and Puke Walton off the bench, leading to another early playoff exit.

tee, hee.

Relax, Stretch. You're still Champion.

[stretch]

Relax, Stretch. You're still Champion.

No shit, faggot.

[Giuseppe]

No shit, faggot.

It's okay, daddy.

[Giuseppe]

Chandler was to Dirk what Abbott was to Costello.

[stretch]

Just through the first few games of the season, we keep seeing this odom at the 4, dirk at the 5 lineup. Maybe it was just a situational thing or coming off a b2b but I've seen dirk play C this year more than any other year and it's only been 8 games.

Ian is emerging though and was great last night. Great duo.

:lmao spurs
:cry we need another big! :cry

Pretty sure its Carlisle just experimenting with all kinds of lineups, seeing what can work and doesnt work in various situations. Also, probably trying to get them all to gel with each other.

[Giuseppe]

And at the end of the day, Dirk tapped that ass 122-86

This is true.

[Killakobe81]

And at the end of the day, Dirk tapped that ass 122-86

Yes sir, and I were you I would play that card all the way until ...May. You guys rang last June but lost this year' title in December when you broke up the core ...but you will always have last June ...ALWAYS.

[Giuseppe]

if dal don't ring come June, we are back to 2nd place tbh.

No. You'll be in last place with 28 other teams.

[stretch]

The Mavs have actually been more efficient defensively so far this season than they were a year ago. They’re allowing 101.8 points per 100 possessions, down from 105.0 last season.


Interesting... doesn't quite suprise me though. The Mavs main weaknesses defensively the past several years has been their poor perimeter defense, with speedy guards able to just blow past their defender. Last year Tyson was able to cover that up a bit, but this year, with the infinitely better perimeter defense, the Mavs don't need a guy like Tyson Chandler to clean that up. Just look at the Heat as an example, as generally had a fantastic perimeter defense last year, without much of an interior presence, thanks to the strong defense from Wade, Lebron, and Chalmers.

[lefty]

Gametime

[stretch]

Wow officiating has been awful tonight. Can't even breathe on Rondo...

[lefty]

Jim Carey ejected :lol

[pass1st]

Officiating for the Nugget game is good, dunno what's the problem

[lefty]

Delonte :lmao

[lefty]

The Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[lefty]

Pieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerce

[lefty]

Pierce has BALLS

[lefty]

Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirk

[resistanze]

What a fucking shot.

[lefty]

Clutch muthafucka

[lefty]

Dirk is that nazi

[endrity]

dirk is a bad bad bad man!

[MavDynasty]

We fuckin suck

[Latarian Milton]

last season was a fluke i told ya

[mavs>spurs]

rogue you tone it down you hear

[MavDynasty]

Damn, dem negroes in blue went 13-5 in January. 18 games in 30 days and they walked away with 13? :wow

Tbh after that shit 0-3 start, mavs be 14-5 with 3 buzzer beater losses. We fuckin staaaaacked.
So much potential with this team..now if Odom and Dirk will wake the fuck up then the league will be really fucked.

[Fpoonsie]

We fuckin suck


We fuckin staaaaacked.

Lulz.

[MavDynasty]

:lol

[stretch]

Yeah, they have done a great job of rebounding since their bad start. Especially when you consider the 3 stupid last-second losses... the Mavs are going to be just fine.

[stretch]

VC and West have been awesome pickups.

Can you imagine the Mavs doing this well, in any of the last 5+ seasons, if Dirk was playing this bad? They would probably be 6-16, instead of 14-8. Not to mention the fact that they went 3-1 in the games he missed, and the loss was a game they blew badly after a good start. This is the first time since the early Terry/Howard/Stackhouse days, where the Mavs haven't had to rely so heavily on Dirk to score for the team.

[endrity]

We'll have something to say about who comes out of the West, that's for sure.

[endrity]

VC and West have been awesome pickups.

Can you imagine the Mavs doing this well, in any of the last 5+ seasons, if Dirk was playing this bad? They would probably be 6-16, instead of 14-8. Not to mention the fact that they went 3-1 in the games he missed, and the loss was a game they blew badly after a good start. This is the first time since the early Terry/Howard/Stackhouse days, where the Mavs haven't had to rely so heavily on Dirk to score for the team.

I expected Delonte to play well to be honest, he's been a solid player in Boston and Cleveland. But VC is a real surprise, he seems really hungry for a title and is playing like it.

[stretch]

I wasn't shocked at all by VC. Honestly, I thought Odom would struggle the most. I was excited for him simply because he is probably the best backup Dirk has ever had, but I was still more excited overall for getting VC and West, as I thought they would fit some of the Mavs needs, better than Odom (attacking the hoop, scoring, perimeter defense)

[Latarian Milton]

but when you need some big bearded n!gga to protect the paint & rebound come the playoffs and can't reach out for no one, you are literally FUCKED

losing TC marks the end of your title chances tbh and its time for you n!ggas to rebuild now. despite how good & swole they look right now, 2nd round is the ceiling for this team tbh. VC/West aint enough to compensate the loss of TC, you UNSTACKED

[mavsfan1000]

We Stacked! Chandler is overrated. We got Haywood and Mahinmi.

[MavDynasty]

We Stacked! Chandler is overrated. We got Haywood and Mahinmi.

Shut the fuck up, bullfucker.

[Samuel Eto'o]

but when you need some big bearded n!gga to protect the paint & rebound come the playoffs and can't reach out for no one, you are literally FUCKED


:lmao:lmao:lmao

[mavsfan1000]

Shut the fuck up, bullfucker.
Fuck you. I don't give a shit about the Bulls. You are an idiot for thinking I care about any other team but the mavs.

[MavDynasty]

tbh real talk, when the mavs start suckin ass you gonna switch teams?

[mavs>spurs]

Fuck you. I don't give a shit about the Bulls. You are an idiot for thinking I care about any other team but the mavs.

Only idiot I see here is you tbh. Ugly duckling misfit mav fan tbh.

[mavsfan1000]

Only idiot I see here is you tbh. Ugly duckling misfit mav fan tbh.
This site didn't use to have such angry mavs fans. I wish it was like the good old days where Spurs fans hated me. I could care less what they thought. It was fun trolling them.

[mavs>spurs]

You don't have the mental capacity to troll a retard.

[mavsfan1000]

You don't have the mental capacity to troll a retard.
You obviously don't remember the first 2 years I was on this site. I gave up trolling spurs fans though or rarely do it now.

[mavs>spurs]

I'm sure it was awesome man!

[mavsfan1000]

I guess my biggest mistake was disrespecting Finley. He was a great player but his decline was rather quick. Maybe had to do with some injuries he had. I also had a lot of bad predictions. The first 2 years I was here, I was a homer believe it or not. I enjoyed beating the spurs more than anyone. I predicted the year before that the Mavs would be a 60 win team. They got close. Anyways, I can't remember a lot as that was 6 years ago. I remember putting a lot of post in the spurs forum and GDT. Enjoying many of their losses.

[Samuel Eto'o]

I also had a lot of bad predictions.

:wow omg no way

[stretch]

but when you need some big bearded n!gga to protect the paint & rebound come the playoffs and can't reach out for no one, you are literally FUCKED

losing TC marks the end of your title chances tbh and its time for you n!ggas to rebuild now. despite how good & swole they look right now, 2nd round is the ceiling for this team tbh. VC/West aint enough to compensate the loss of TC, you UNSTACKED

What made Chandler unique was his ability to hassle quick guards who got into the paint. The Mavs defense against speedy guards was so horrendous that having Chandler was a must.

This year, that's not the case. West and Roddy both have proven more than capable defenders against speedy guards, and it has helped the defense tremendously. Don't get me wrong, I would still love Chandler to be in there, but losing him didn't hurt nearly as much as it would have, if West/Roddy weren't in the rotation. Also, it seems like Carlisle has changed up the defensive system a bit, to attack passing lanes for steals, and to swarm the paint quicker. I think the increased level of athleticism across the team has allowed these types of schemes to work better, as the perimeter defenders are quick enough to recover and still get back to their man or rotate to the perimeter (although the last couple games they haven't defended the perimeter that well)

[endrity]

What made Chandler unique was his ability to hassle quick guards who got into the paint. The Mavs defense against speedy guards was so horrendous that having Chandler was a must.

This year, that's not the case. West and Roddy both have proven more than capable defenders against speedy guards, and it has helped the defense tremendously. Don't get me wrong, I would still love Chandler to be in there, but losing him didn't hurt nearly as much as it would have, if West/Roddy weren't in the rotation. Also, it seems like Carlisle has changed up the defensive system a bit, to attack passing lanes for steals, and to swarm the paint quicker. I think the increased level of athleticism across the team has allowed these types of schemes to work better, as the perimeter defenders are quick enough to recover and still get back to their man or rotate to the perimeter (although the last couple games they haven't defended the perimeter that well)

This! It's what I have been writing over at dallas-mavs.com. It's not that Mahinmi and Wood are better than Tyson by themselves, it's that the perimeter D is so much better than last year until now, that the centers don't need to really clean up as much as Tyson did. Roddy and West have been extremely impressive in their aggresive D.

That's one of the reasons why people have a right to wonder whether the team has more talent than last year.

[stretch]

This! It's what I have been writing over at dallas-mavs.com. It's not that Mahinmi and Wood are better than Tyson by themselves, it's that the perimeter D is so much better than last year until now, that the centers don't need to really clean up as much as Tyson did. Roddy and West have been extremely impressive in their aggresive D.

That's one of the reasons why people have a right to wonder whether the team has more talent than last year.

The talent level most definitely is superior. Imagine if Dirk and Kidd were playing this badly/missing games last season... how lost would the team be? Rather than going 14-8, they would probably be something awful like 6-16 during such a stretch.

The thing that make's this team potentially superior, is that they don't have to rely on Dirk or Kidd to make things happen for the offense, like they did last year. They have 5 players who can create offense for themselves and/or others, that they didn't have/utilize last year, in Carter, West, Roddy, Mahinmi, and Odom. That makes a BIG difference, and down the stretch, will be even more useful, as we will have a much more fresh Dirk on our hands, who will be more confident in his teammates ability to help him out when he is getting doubled consistently.

The goal of the team during the season should be getting everyone as comfortable as possible with each other, while keeping everyones bodys well rested. Come playoff time, the Mavs will be right there competing for a championship.

[mavs>spurs]

the talent level outside of dirk is better but the overall talent level including dirk (who is a huge part of our overall success by himself) is quite a bit lower. as currently constructed, the mavs success will ultimately depend on how dirk plays, no matter how good the supporting cast is playing. it ain't like he's got a stacked team around him either way.

[stretch]

Dirk will be fine. I strongly doubt he has declined that much in the matter of 6-7 months. He is obviously out of shape, but had some games early on where he showed he still is fully capable of taking over and dominating in the clutch, including still face-raping the Thunder both times they played them.

It's pretty obvious Dirk is coasting, which is frustrating to see as a fan, but will ultimately be more beneficial for the team as he will be more fresh, while the extra shots and opportunities for everyone else will help them all get in the best groove possible.

[stretch]

the talent level outside of dirk is better but the overall talent level including dirk (who is a huge part of our overall success by himself) is quite a bit lower.

tbh this statement doesnt make much sense at all, unless you are saying Dirk magically lost all his skills.

[MavDynasty]

Lamar out for tonight's big game but it should open up minutes for Wright (hopefully) and not Cardinal.

[MavDynasty]

Haywood is out too...we fucked

[Samuel Eto'o]

The Mavs depth is ridiculous

[stretch]

Brutal stretch coming up at the end of the month... 9 games in 12 days, with a back-to-back-to-back. Also, there will be traveling between every single game.

NJ
@Mem

@NO
Uta

@OKC
NY

@Pho
@Sac
@GS

If they come out of the with 6 wins, I'm happy. The main one I want them to really win though is @OKC.

This is a stretch where that depth can come in VERY handy...

[Giuseppe]

^That OKC game is the only one that they could defend if they lost it. Everything else is garbage.

[mavs>spurs]

Shut it, Cubs. Our team is old and we ain't even aiming to win every game. i'd be happy with 7-2

[Giuseppe]

Shut it, Cubs. Our team is old and we ain't even aiming to win every game. i'd be happy with 7-2

Hell, just pretend to hit OKC and you'll run the table.

They flinch every time.

[MavDynasty]

Looking for VC to have a breakout game tonight tbh. Roddy and Terry are out so he is going to get his share of minutes. Tough game to have little guard depth with all the fast guards Denver has.

[mavsfan1000]

Rpddy's big chance and his father dies. :(

[MavDynasty]

Delonte is done for the night now :cry

[Arlington Native]

Delonte is done for the night now :cry
Fractured something on his right hand...:(

[MavDynasty]

Tbh hope he ain't gone too long. He has been one of the most consistent mavs this year tbh.

[Lincoln]

sup niggas how yall been?

[Roddy Beaubois]

lol 6 players in double figures w/o Jet, Roddy or Delonte

:lol so stacked

[Roddy Beaubois]

oh and :cry, tbh

[Giuseppe]

It would be nice if West was gone for 6-8 weeks.

Any news?

[mavsfan1000]

Dang if Roddy didn't have this tragedy happen to him, this would've been his big opportunity. :(

[Jodelo]

It would be nice if West was gone for 6-8 weeks.

Any news?

Would be nice too if you or one of your family dies...

[Jodelo]

Nahh, you don't wish someone anything bad, that's just not right...

[Leetonidas]

Would be nice too if you or one of your family dies...

:lmao:lmao:lmao faggot

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

It would be nice if West was gone for 6-8 weeks.

Any news?

Heard over at db.com that D.West hopes to be back by mid March. At the very least he'll miss a month

[Jodelo]

Man, that's a tough break, he was playing really good. :( Jones is not the one i want to see on the court...

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

lol 6 players in double figures w/o Jet, Roddy or Delonte

:lol so stacked

Including roddy in that list with Terry and West :lol
When the team is healthy that scrub doesn't get off the bench.

[Jodelo]

Roddy was good for a few games but after that he was scared to do anything it seemed...

[Giuseppe]

Heard over at db.com that D.West hopes to be back by mid March. At the very least he'll miss a month

That's better than nothing.

[Goran Dragic]

Even with Dirk being out of shape, Lamar Odom being emo, Kidd being dead, their production out of the center position sucking and a 1-4 start, Dallas is 4th in the West and is the best defensive team in the West so far this year.

If Dirk returns to form, and they can get better production out of Kidd/Odom/Haywood, they're the favorite to win the West imo.

[stretch]

Even with Dirk being out of shape, Lamar Odom being emo, Kidd being dead, their production out of the center position sucking and a 1-4 start, Dallas is 4th in the West and is the best defensive team in the West so far this year.

If Dirk returns to form, and they can get better production out of Kidd/Odom/Haywood, they're the favorite to win the West imo.

They might not be getting great numbers, but they are definitely getting what they need out of the trio of Haywood/Mahinmi/Wright.

I think Haywood has really been overlooked in the defensive presence he brings in the middle. He's not flashy but he definitely gets the job done, and it's been a big reason why the Mavs have been so strong defensively, and are still in good playoff position.

He isn't as good of a total team defender as Chandler, but IMO, he is a superior individual defender to Chandler.

[MavDynasty]

Lamar had a good game last night tbh and the last week he has looked more comfortable. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come

[Goran Dragic]

I haven't watched that much of them this year but I thought losing Chandler would bring their defense down a lot so it would make sense if Haywood/Mahinmi are better than people act. IMO it was still a good decision to let him leave because of the flexibility it gives them going forward, granted he's making a Mike D'antoni team play defense better than anyone thought it could.

The lack of great defensive teams in the West helps Dallas the most imo.

[stretch]

The lack of great defensive teams in the West helps Dallas the most imo.

Yeah, defense is definitely not common these days among most Western conference teams.

[Arlington Native]

We better ship Odom's ass out asap...he's just fucking terrible.

[stretch]

Sounds like Mavs are much more open to trade Roddy now...

As for Odom, as much as he has pissed us all off, I have a feeling come playoff time, he's going to take it up another notch or two, and Mavs fans will have a different view of him.

You can tell though, that the perimeter defense has suffered since West has gone out. I think if the Mavs have West, they beat the Knicks and Lin has a substantially tougher time creating in that game. West is going to be very important for a deep playoff run, as he is capable of guarding all kinds of guards, whether its Raymond Felton, Russell Westbrook, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade... he is not scared of any of them, has the lateral quickness and tenacity to stay at home with them, and is tough/physical.

[stretch]

Also, Steven A Smith yesterday or today pretty much stated what most of us already knew, that if the Nets don't get Dwight, then Deron is virtually a lock to come to Dallas.

Still has to make you wonder if Dallas getting Deron will result in Dwight being a lock to come to Dallas...

[mavs>spurs]

Also, Steven A Smith yesterday or today pretty much stated what most of us already knew, that if the Nets don't get Dwight, then Deron is virtually a lock to come to Dallas.

Still has to make you wonder if Dallas getting Deron will result in Dwight being a lock to come to Dallas...

:)

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Getting Deron Williams, could potentially add another 2-3 years of effective play to Dirk's career. His ability to run the pick and roll/pop, and score on his own (unlike Kidd) will create all kinds of open looks for Dirk, and he will be able to get shots like he did back when he played with Nash.

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He isn't as good of a total team defender as Chandler, but IMO, he is a superior individual defender to Chandler.

As much as i intended to crofl at this for being retarded and throw a pickle at you I actually think you might be right

[mavs>spurs]

He ain't quite the team defender Chandler is but it isn't like there's a huge gap either, he's easily the 2nd best interior defender in the league and a nice consolation prize. Not to mention he would solve our rebounding problems. Deron + Dwight + Dirk = multiple more rings. Don't forget that Brandon Wright will probably be a solid rotation player for years to come, and maybe roddy or jones will pan out yet. Delonte ain't old either tbh.

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As much as i intended to crofl at this for being retarded and throw a pickle at you I actually think you might be right

Haywood can play great one-on-one defense actually. I believe Dwight Howard actually named him one of the 3 best defenders in the league a couple years ago. He can be lazy at times, especially on boxing out and on help defense, but when he plays motivated, he is as good defensively as any center in the league. I recall when the Mavs first got him, in a game against Phoenix he actually played suprisingly good defense on Steve Nash when getting switched on PnRs, blocking a couple of his jumpshots, and not letting Nash beat him with his footwork.

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he still looks pretty lost out there, imo.

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he still looks pretty lost out there, imo.

Yet the Mavs are arguably the best defensive team in the NBA. Considering how much defense relies on your big man, I hope he continues being as lost as you suggest.

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good. we understand each other.

[DPG21920]

Roddy is on the block?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I think Spurs and Memphis would be the worst matchups for Dallas this season. Not saying they couldn't beat either in a series, but it'd be tough.

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Roddy is on the block?

Supposedly. That's the rumors.


I think Spurs and Memphis would be the worst matchups for Dallas this season. Not saying they couldn't beat either in a series, but it'd be tough.

Possibly. Neither really are that intimidating in a 7 game series, IMO. Spurs have to have extremely hot 3 point shooting to win a series against Dallas though. Really, if their 3's aren't falling against most any team, they are toast.

[DPG21920]

Don't agree with that. With Tiago on the bench spur always have a legit post scorer in the game. They do rely on threes still but not as much.

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I am actually afraid of the Grizzlies. They probably might not beat the Lakers, but that size up front would wear down Dirk during a series.

[MavDynasty]

Tbh big game tonight. Curious to see how lakers react after their players only meeting. Hopefully this time we don't get raped by Fish and suck dick offensively.

Still think we need a bigger shot blocking backup center. Wright is too small and Mahinmi has come down to earth.

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Don't agree with that. With Tiago on the bench spur always have a legit post scorer in the game. They do rely on threes still but not as much.

I don't think Tiago is a guy that can be truly reliable consistently come playoff time. If the Spurs want to beat more than one of the elite teams in playoff series (which would be required to win a title), they will need their 3s to fall. They might be able to beat one, MAYBE two elite teams, but I don't think they can last for 4 playoff series.

[DPG21920]

Billy (Newark)

Does Deron Williams leave NJ this summer?
Chad FordLuck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_(1:22 PM)

Probably. The only scenario where he doesn't is if the Nets swing a deal for Dwight Howard at the trade deadline. At that point, I think Williams hangs around. If that doesn't happen, I think Williams will join Dwight Howard (assuming he's not traded to the Lakers in March) in Dallas next summer. Lots of signals pointing to this being the preferred outcome for both players.


Something of note for Mav fans

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Something of note for Mav fans

Well, we certainly hope that will come true... I'm pretty confident in D-Will coming here. Dwight I have no idea what to expect though...

[mavs>spurs]

I think if Deron comes here, Dwight probably will too. Going to play with your friends is all the rage these days ever since the homo trio did it, now everyone else is forced to counter if they want to win.