Last GOP debate before Iowa tonight on Fox. 12/15/11

[JoeChalupa]

December 15, 2011: Fox News Channel hosts a Republican Presidential Debate in Sioux City, Iowa, at 9 pm eastern. Don't miss it.

Mitt needs to be strong tonight but careful not to get flustered and start betting people. Look for some more one liners from Newt.

[boutons_deux]

JimmyRicky's last stand.

[DMX7]

It'll be like the night before Christmas.

[RickPerry]

I got my game face on and the Lord behind me.

[hater]

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[DMX7]

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I think I have a new sig. Thank you, sir.

[Drachen]

I only just flipped to the channel at the last commercial (right before the Iran question). I can see why people like Paul.

Edit: (but I don't want to watch 50 million 45 minute youtube videos about him, so please don't PM me with them).

[Spurminator]

Damn, Joe, do you really watch all of these debates? There's so much good television on these days.

[Drachen]

They are trying to cut off or make snide remarks about the "small guys" going over time, but they don't seem to do so to the others.

[Yonivore]

They are trying to cut off or make snide remarks about the "small guys" going over time, but they don't seem to do so to the others.
Because they're making substantive arguments.

[Drachen]

what did huntsman say that was so wrong to you?

[cheguevara]

damn those fox guys hate Dr. Paul.

checking twitter, Paul gets either extreme love or hate.

http://twitter.com/#!/search/ron%20paul

El Che is not a warmongerer so El Che loves this cuddly man.

[hater]

Paul dissapointed. why couldn't he just answer "only congress can make a declaration of war"

no way Paul wins Iowa now

[Yonivore]

Paul dissapointed. why couldn't he just answer "only congress can make a declaration of war"

no way Paul wins Iowa now
He's back to single digits where he belongs. What a crazy fuck.

[Yonivore]

Gingrich wins.

Bachmann turned into a whining high school girl, "I'm a serious contender!"

Mitt was weak.

Paul came close to being forcibly removed, straight jacketed, and committted.

Santorum and Perry did themselves no harm.

Huntsman? Who? I think he wants to win so he can appoint himself ambassador to China.

[mouse]

I was impressed by the candidates.

[cheguevara]

Gingrich wins.

Bachmann turned into a whining high school girl, "I'm a serious contender!"

Mitt was weak.

Paul came close to being forcibly removed, straight jacketed, and committted.

Santorum and Perry did themselves no harm.

Huntsman? Who? I think he wants to win so he can appoint himself ambassador to China.

decent take Yoni :tu

El Che's take:

Mitt: won the debate but produced a lot of fuel for Obama
Newt: came in 2nd same old wild Newt
Paul: lost many conservative votes, won a ton of liberal votes(which means nothing)
Bachman: attack dog, but a crazy eyes warmongerer
Huntsman: The logical of the bunch, but won't mean much to regular folk
Perry: pitty applause for the poor guy
Santorum: crazy as fuck nutcase

[cheguevara]

Paul dissapointed. why couldn't he just answer "only congress can make a declaration of war"

no way Paul wins Iowa now

Paul killed bachman in the exchange and said that. but you are right, he should have said that from the get go

[Yonivore]

Newt Gingrich just told Sean Hannity that if President Obama hasn't agreed to a series of Lincoln-Douglas style debates by the time of his nomination, in Tampa, he's going to let the White House schedule his campaign.

As Lincoln did with Douglas, he will follow him to every city he visits, arrive four hours later, and pick apart his speeches, point-by-point until, like Douglas, Obama agrees to debate him.

:corn:

[JoeChalupa]

Damn, Joe, do you really watch all of these debates? There's so much good television on these days.

That is the problem. Many voters, and non-voters who shouldn't bitch at all, bitch about the POTUS yet they are not willing to get informed because they would rather watch some fictional show or worse yet some reality BS and have no clue as to whom they are voting for.
Yeah, I watch these and no I don't use these as the sole basis for my voting decision but damn, if Perry can't even remember WTF he is talking about that sure as hell doesn't help.
Good television? I don't watch one series on TV other than I have, and I don't really know why but I like Grace Park and Sonny's son on Hawaii 50, and storage wars and I do watch quite a bit of the Food Shows.
The future of our Country is much more important to me than some TV show. But hey...that is just me.

[Yonivore]

Paul killed bachman in the exchange and said that. but you are right, he should have said that from the get go
They both beclowned themselves tonight. Paul and Bachmann are done.

[Yonivore]

That is the problem. Many voters, and non-voters who shouldn't bitch at all, bitch about the POTUS yet they are not willing to get informed because they would rather watch some fictional show or worse yet some reality BS and have no clue as to whom they are voting for.
Yeah, I watch these and no I don't use these as the sole basis for my voting decision but damn, if Perry can't even remember WTF he is talking about that sure as hell doesn't help.
Good television? I don't watch one series on TV other than I have, and I don't really know why but I like Grace Park and Sonny's son on Hawaii 50, and storage wars and I do watch quite a bit of the Food Shows.
The future of our Country is much more important to me than some TV show. But hey...that is just me.
:tu

The Food Network rocks!

[JoeChalupa]

Oh, and this may sound odd...but for reason...and it may have been the beers and is very chauvanistic..I thought Bachman looked...well....kind of hot.

[cheguevara]

They both beclowned themselves tonight. Paul and Bachmann are done.

disagree, both Paul and Bachman are alive and well after this debate

[JoeChalupa]

:tu

The Food Network rocks!

Now that we can agree on. :tu

[cheguevara]

Oh, and this may sound odd...but for reason...and it may have been the beers and is very chauvanistic..I thought Bachman looked...well....kind of hot.

bukkakable face and I did notice the extra long eyelashes but her neck looks like a neck from dawn of the dead

[Yonivore]

bukkakable face and I did notice the extra long eyelashes but her neck looks like a neck from dawn of the dead
I agree, Bachmann looked Pelosi plastic.

Frankly, I was disappointed Megyn Kelly didn't get to moderate more of the debate. She's smokin' hot.

[Yonivore]

disagree, both Paul and Bachman are alive and well after this debate
We'll see.

Bachmann's, "I'm a serious contender!" was juvenile. I seriously thought she was going to cry like a school girl. Plus she out and out lied about both Gingrich's lobbying and his pro-life record.

Paul's unhinged rant on Iran lost him everyone but the Ronulans and, they aren't a double-digit crowd.

[JoeChalupa]

I agree, Bachmann looked Pelosi plastic.

Frankly, I was disappointed Megyn Kelly didn't get to moderate more of the debate. She's smokin' hot.

Megyn has some great gams for sure.

[cheguevara]

We'll see.

Bachmann's, "I'm a serious contender!" was juvenile. I seriously thought she was going to cry like a school girl. Plus she out and out lied about both Gingrich's lobbying and his pro-life record.

some ppl will find that adorable



Paul's unhinged rant on Iran lost him everyone but the Ronulans and, they aren't a double-digit crowd.

then where was the applause coming from?

[JoeChalupa]

bukkakable face and I did notice the extra long eyelashes but her neck looks like a neck from dawn of the dead

:lmao It must have been the beers.

[JoeChalupa]

Huntsman blew it from the start by dissing the Donald. Sadly, as he is still by far my favorite GOP candidate, he'll be joining Cain in the depot very, very soon.

[Yonivore]

some ppl will find that adorable
In a Homecoming Queen but, not a President.


then where was the applause coming from?
Ronulans -- some of whom started some ruckus on the Fed, later on, and had to be removed. I don't think Paul got as much applause on his Iran position as you think. Maybe as he started out but, as his rant became more unhinged from the reality -- everyone else in the world sees about Iran -- the applause died.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm a cracker for Gingrich!Bandwagonning frontrunner.

[Yonivore]

Huntsman blew it from the start by dissing the Donald. Sadly, as he is still by far my favorite GOP candidate, he'll be joining Cain in the depot very, very soon.
I didn't even see that but, Huntsman a joke...and, has been from the beginning.

[Yonivore]

Now, Ron Paul is on Hannity defending Iran. :lmao

[cheguevara]

Ronulans -- some of whom started some ruckus on the Fed, later on, and had to be removed. I don't think Paul got as much applause on his Iran position as you think. Maybe as he started out but, as his rant became more unhinged from the reality -- everyone else in the world sees about Iran -- the applause died.

you have Santorum and Bachman warmongers wanna go ahead and bomb. they got some applause

Mitt and Newt just wanna give a blank check to the MIC. no applause

Paul was on the other extreme and got some applause

Huntsman actually had the best answer to the Iran scenario but yeah, everyone else was on the extremes which does not either help them or hurt them.

[JoeChalupa]

I didn't even see that but, Huntsman a joke...and, has been from the beginning.

Have you looked at his record? He truly is the most conservative of the group. Simply because the man served under Obama he isn't given an honest look. He has the credentials and is articulate and has a grasp of foreign policy above all the others, IMHO.

[cheguevara]

Now, Ron Paul is on Hannity defending Iran. :lmao

Hannity is an asshole

[Yonivore]

Hannity is an asshole
I'm watching the candidate. Hannity is irrelevant.

[Yonivore]

Have you looked at his record? He truly is the most conservative of the group. Simply because the man served under Obama he isn't given an honest look. He has the credentials and is articulate and has a grasp of foreign policy above all the others, IMHO.
Yep. I've looked at him. He's not a serious candidate.

[cheguevara]

I'm watching the candidate. Hannity is irrelevant.

well if I had to pick 1 word for Iran, either bully or victim vs. USA, I would pick victim. I agree with Dr. Paul

when has Iran been a bully, when we destroyed their democratic leader in 53? or when we supported Iraq vs them in that horrific war?

those are the 2 biggest events in Iran history

[Yonivore]

you have Santorum and Bachman warmongers wanna go ahead and bomb. they got some applause

Mitt and Newt just wanna give a blank check to the MIC. no applause

Paul was on the other extreme and got some applause

Huntsman actually had the best answer to the Iran scenario but yeah, everyone else was on the extremes which does not either help them or hurt them.
I'll rewatch that portion of the debate when it shows up on YouTube, and it will, and I'll give you another assessment. All I remember thinking the whole time Paul was talking was that moderates and independent jaws were dropping all over the fruited plain.

And, you're right, Santorum and Bachmann seemed to have already locked and loaded.

Mitt and Newt responded with sober analysis about what is known and suspected about Iran's intentions...and how Obama's policy of engagement has only made the matter worse.

Honestly, I don't recall what Huntsman said.

[Yonivore]

well if I had to pick 1 word for Iran, either bully or victim vs. USA, I would pick victim. I agree with Dr. Paul
Really?

Who's been supplying IEDs to our enemies for the past 10 years?

Who's been arming Israel's enemies for the past 40?

Who's been arming Hezbollah and Hamas?


when has Iran been a bully, when we destroyed their democratic leader in 53?
Mosaddeq was a democratic leader in the mold of Hugo Chavez who nationalized the oil industry and seized international assets. He fucked up.


...or when we supported Iraq vs them in that horrific war?
At this point, I wish they had annihilated each other. But, at the time, Iraq was the lesser of the two evil and, like it or not, that region is vital to our national and economic security -- and, it has been for quite some time.


those are the 2 biggest events in Iran history
As long as they continue to threaten and kill Americans, I'm in favor of ending the regime in Iran.

[ChumpDumper]

Who's been arming Israel's enemies for the past 40?Not our problem.


Who's been arming Hezbollah and Hamas?Not our problem.



Mosaddeq was a democratic leader in the mold of Hugo Chavez who nationalized the oil industry and seized international assets. He fucked up.Bush fucked up several times. You're saying he was fair game to be overthrown by Iran.

You think Obama fucked up. You're saying the US government can now be justifiably overthrown by Iran.

You're an idiot.

[cheguevara]

Really?

Who's been supplying IEDs to our enemies for the past 10 years?

Who's been arming Israel's enemies for the past 40?

Who's been arming Hezbollah and Hamas?


again, they are protecting their servereignty in THEIR area of the world




Mosaddeq was a democratic leader in the mold of Hugo Chavez who nationalized the oil industry and seized international assets. He fucked up.


so we should kill Hugo Chavez too??? great another war! :tu



At this point, I wish they had annihilated each other. But, at the time, Iraq was the lesser of the two evil and, like it or not, that region is vital to our national and economic security -- and, it has been for quite some time.


As long as they continue to threaten and kill Americans, I'm in favor of ending the regime in Iran.

Saddam's crazy regime was the lesser of the 2 evils? how was Iran's regime more evil than Saddam's regime?

A) Iraq attacked Iran first
B) Iraq used WMDs on Iran (not viceversa)
C) At UN, "United States prevented the UN from condemning Iraq" (from UN exerpts)

:downspin:

tbh, Iran has the 100% right to hate the guts of the US.

[Pelicans78]

I like Paul, but he can't get stuck in foreign policy. He should be quick and decisive and not get bogged down.

Even if he's right about Iran, he shouldn't try to sympathize with them. Its a rogue government. His answers on Iran are inefficient. and insufficient. Its a weakness that he's let get exploited.

[SnakeBoy]

As long as they continue to threaten and kill Americans, I'm in favor of ending the regime in Iran.

As long as your taxes aren't increased to pay for another war...right?

[ChumpDumper]

As long as your taxes aren't increased to pay for another war...right?Iraq paid for itself after they greeted us a liberators.

[Pelicans78]

Iraq's invasion to Iran was illegal and was all about hatred towards Shiites and wanting their oil. However, the hostages were in Iran so most of the world didn't care and encouraged Iraq.

[Yonivore]

again, they are protecting their servereignty in THEIR area of the world
How is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict under their purview? Also, one would think they had a bigger grudge against Iraq and that providing IEDs to kill Americans was counter productive.


so we should kill Hugo Chavez too??? great another war! :tu
He's dying.


Saddam's crazy regime was the lesser of the 2 evils? how was Iran's regime more evil than Saddam's regime?
In the context of our interests there? As far as war-making, the were both atrocious.

[ChumpDumper]

How is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict under their purview?How is it under ours?
Also, one would think they had a bigger grudge against Iraq and that providing IEDs to kill Americans was counter productive.No, they rather like the Iraqi people and vice-versa. And who says it was counter-productive? It got Bush to pull out.

[Pelicans78]

The new Iraq government is mostly Shiite which is different from Saddam's. The Ayatollah's will be more sympathetic towards Iraq now.

BTW, Ahmadinejad gets too much attention. He has zero power in that country. It doesn't matter what he says. He doesn't run the country. He can say whatever he wants as long as he doesn't piss off the Ayatollahs. If they wanted to quiet him, they could.

[JoeChalupa]

Yep. I've looked at him. He's not a serious candidate.

Which perplexes me. He'd beat Obama with the largest margin of victory. I guarantee it. IF he were the nominee. Conservatives would support him against Obama for sure, anyone but Obama, and the moderates and independents, given Obama's approval ratings, would turn to him as the alternative. Oh yeah,

[Yonivore]

The new Iraq government is mostly Shiite which is different from Saddam's. The Ayatollah's will be more sympathetic towards Iraq now.

BTW, Ahmadinejad gets too much attention. He has zero power in that country. It doesn't matter what he says. He doesn't run the country. He can say whatever he wants as long as he doesn't piss off the Ayatollahs. If they wanted to quiet him, they could.
Well, he's going to get their country annihilated. If I were the Ayatollahs, I'd shut him up.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, he's going to get their country annihilated.No he's not. Not everyone flips out to his trolling like you do.

[Yonivore]

Saw this posted at a blog as their Tweet of the night...


http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/[email protected]
:lmao

[Yonivore]

One more...


http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/[email protected]

[ChumpDumper]

The hell is a sheya?

[Jacob1983]

I don't think Ron Paul sympathizes with Iran. He just tries to get people to put themselves in Iran's place. If you were Iran, are you going to tell me you wouldn't want to be able to defend yourself? Besides, there isn't hard evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapon. Personally, I thought the whole "let's bomb Iran" bandwagon during the debate was interesting.
How does America benefit from that?
These GOP bozos need to open their eyes and realize that most Americans don't like war and don't want more wars.
And why doesn't anyone ever talk about how it would be suicidal for Iran to fire on Israel or America? That would be the dumbest thing that they could do. Israel would blow the shit out of Iran.

[cheguevara]

http://www.conservativehq.com/article/5927-smackdown-mainstream-media-ignored-ron-paul-nails-michele-bachmann-iran

The Smackdown the Mainstream Media Ignored: Ron Paul Nails Michele Bachmann on Iran

Congresswoman Michele Bachmann was quick to attack Ron Paul by claiming, "We have an avowed madman who uses that nuclear weapon to wipe nations off face of the earth.”

Bachmann bolstered her argument by claiming, “We have an IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency] report that just recently came out that said literally Iran is within just months of being able to obtain that (a nuclear) weapon.” To which Ron Paul retorted, “There is no U.N. report that said that… They produced information that led you to believe that, but they have no evidence that there has been enrichment… It’s totally wrong, what you just said.”

A variety of news media sources, including CNN's "Truth Squad" fact checkers concluded that Paul — and not Bachmann — was factually correct and that as Paul said, the report of the International Atomic Energy Agency does not state that Iran is within months of having nuclear arms. The U.N. agency report does suggest that Iran conducted secret experiments whose sole purpose is the development of nuclear weapons, but did not put a time frame on when Iran might succeed in building a bomb, and it made no final conclusion on Tehran’s intent.

Congresswoman Michele Bachmann serves on the House Intelligence Committee and should know what she is talking about when it comes to such a sensitive topic as Iran’s purported nuclear weapons program – yet she was strangely wrong about the IAEA report, an unclassified public document. Does she know something the IAEA doesn’t?

[cheguevara]

crazy eyes warmongerer

http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/photos-of-the-day-aug-15/bachman.jpg