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JayTheClown
12-15-2011, 08:00 PM
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/cars-that-can-run-for-over-200-000-miles.html

For most cost-conscious consumers, keeping a car running for as long as possible is a financial issue – it’s typically cheaper to repair a car that’s otherwise in serviceable condition than it is to make payments on a new one. For others, however, it’s a mission. Case in point is Irv Gordon of East Patchogue, New York, who holds the Guinness world record for racking up the highest mileage in the same vehicle. At last count he’s clocked over 2,900,000 miles on the Volvo (http://autos.yahoo.com/used-cars/overview?listingtype=used&make=volvo&model=&modelyearlb=any&modelyearub=any&askpricelb=any&askpriceub=any&deliverymileagelb=any&deliverymileageub=any&location=) 1800 S coupe he purchased back in 1966 and is aiming for a cool three million. If you’ve ever seen it, it looks like a museum piece, which is a testament to Gordon’s meticulous care.

Trivia buffs know the Volvo 1800 S as Roger Moore’s ride of choice as adventurer Simon Templar in the TV series “The Saint” (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=121hqrgu7/EXP=1325206676/**http%3A//movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800113734/info) back when the car was new, but you don’t need divine intervention to wring the most miles possible out of your automotive investment. With proper maintenance and timely replacement of worn parts just about any of today’s cars and trucks can stay on the road for 200,000 miles or more. This is enabling American motorists to hold onto their rides for longer than ever – the average passenger vehicle on the road today is 10.6 years old, according to the Car Care Council.

For those with an eye on owning a car or truck (http://autos.yahoo.com/trucks/) for the long run, we’ve identified a list of 14 model-year 2012 vehicles that are statistically among the least likely to encounter major mechanical problems in at least the first several years of ownership. Our list consists of 14 cars and trucks that received top scores in both the most-recent Consumer Reports Car Reliability survey, based on problems reported by 1.3 million owners of model-year 2005-2010 vehicles, and the J.D. Power and Associates U.S. Vehicles Dependability Study based on responses from more than 43,700 original owners of 2008 model-year vehicles.

We also consulted repair-cost predictions from Intellichoice.com to ensure that any of the cars and trucks in our “200,000 mile club” would not become prohibitively costly to keep running once parts needed replacing. And at that, we chose models that, for the most part, “keep it simple,” and (at least in their base models) eschew complex gadgetry that could require expensive repair or replacement down the road.

Our picks include budget-minded small cars like the Honda (http://autos.yahoo.com/honda/) Fit and Scion (http://autos.yahoo.com/scion/) xB, stalwart sedans including the Acura (http://autos.yahoo.com/acura/) RL and Lincoln (http://autos.yahoo.com/lincoln/) MKZ, sporty cars like the Ford (http://autos.yahoo.com/ford/) Mustang and Mazda (http://autos.yahoo.com/mazda/) MX-5 Miata, purposeful people-movers such as the Subaru Forester and Toyota Highlander and tough trucks including the Toyota (http://autos.yahoo.com/toyota-truck/) 4Runner (http://autos.yahoo.com/toyota/4runner/2011/) and Tundra models. While most of the models on our list are from Asian automakers, based on past model-year performance, we expect additional domestic models to make CR and J.D. Power’s most-reliable lists in the years to come.

Of course, no matter which model a motorist ultimately chooses, only a well-maintained car or truck will last long enough to go the distance. The road to 200,000 miles begins with following the automaker’s maintenance schedule to the letter, particularly during the first few years of ownership to prevent voiding the vehicle’s warranty. Have the oil and filter changed according to the automaker’s so-called “severe use” schedule, which by definition applies to those who frequently drive in stop-and-go traffic, live in extremely hot or cold climates or dusty areas or who tow a trailer (which accounts for the majority of motorists).

What’s more, astute owners need to take a proactive attitude toward car care that reaches beyond the occasional trip to the shop. This means opening the hood and perhaps even getting your hands dirty from time to time. For starters, check all of the vehicle fluids regularly – including engine oil, coolant and brake, power steering and transmission fluids – and top them off as necessary. Your car’s owner’s manual will show where and how to check them. If any fluid levels are chronically low, have the car examined by a technician.

Inspect the hoses and belts regularly. Have them replaced whenever they appear cracked, brittle, frayed, become loose or show signs of excessive wear. Check the level of fluid in the battery at least once a month; it typically resides under a removable plastic cover to the left or right of the engine. Either remove the battery caps or look through the small “window” provided for this purpose. If the fluid level is low, top it off only with distilled water. Keep the terminals clear of corrosion to ensure a good connection using a soft wire brush dipped in ammonia or baking soda, then flush with clear water.

Check the air pressure in the tires – including the spare – weekly, and only when the tires are cold (before driving), using a good-quality tire-pressure gauge. Keep them inflated to the maximum pressure recommended in the owner’s manual. Check the tread depth periodically by placing a penny head first into the tread; if any part of Lincoln’s head is visible it’s time for new tires (contemporary tires also include built-in tread wear indicators that appear as horizontal stripes running perpendicular to the tread when they need replacing). Have the tires rotated once a year, or sooner if they begin to show signs of uneven wear.

Pay attention to the way your car drives. Take your car to the service department or repair shop if it’s making strange sounds, is becoming difficult to start, is handling or braking oddly, is overheating or otherwise isn’t operating as expected. Undue procrastination may lead to higher repair bills down the road.

Also, be sure to take care of your ride’s appearance to ensure it ages gracefully from an aesthetic point of view. Have the car washed frequently, waxed at least once a year with a good-quality paste wax and keep the interior looking good with liberal use of plastic-surface conditioner. Dirty seats and carpeting wear out quicker, so be sure to vacuum the interior regularly and freshen it annually with carpet/upholstery cleaner.

Unfortunately, even a meticulously maintained car or truck will need to visit the repair shop from time to time as the miles pile up. Batteries, tires and brake components, for example, usually last no more than a few years at a time before wearing out. Bigger-ticket items that usually need replacement at or near the 100,000-mile point often include an engine’s computer-control unit, timing belt, fuel pump, water pump, alternator and starter, as well as the vehicle’s muffler and exhaust pipes, power-steering pump and universal or CV joint. As a car approaches its “golden years,” it’s a good idea to budget a certain amount of money each year for such repairs to keep a car running in top shape.

Have a car that’s still looks and runs great after 200,000 or more miles? Leave a comment and let us know about it.

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(http://autos.yahoo.com/acura/rl/2012/)Acura RL (http://autos.yahoo.com/acura/rl/2012/)

While the full-size RL sedan (http://autos.yahoo.com/sedans/all.html) is neither the fastest nor the flashiest luxury car on the market, it’s roomy, quiet and comfortable and its V-6 engine, six-speed automatic transmission and advanced all-wheel-drive system perform stalwartly.



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(http://autos.yahoo.com/ford/fusion/2012/)Ford Fusion (http://autos.yahoo.com/ford/fusion/2012/)

With a choice of four-cylinder and V-6 engines, the midsize Ford Fusion delivers solid performance and treats occupants to a roomy and comfortable interior. All-wheel-drive is available for improved traction on wet or snowy roads, but adds to the car’s mechanical complexity.


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(http://autos.yahoo.com/ford/mustang/2012/)Ford Mustang (http://autos.yahoo.com/ford/mustang/2012/)

The original “pony car” remains fresh and potent, offering classic styling and lively performance with solid durability. Stick to the basic 3.7-liter V-6 or 5.0-liter V-8 configurations for fewer possible problems and/or less-expensive repairs than with the higher-performance specialty models in the line like the Boss 302 or Shelby GT500.


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(http://autos.yahoo.com/honda/cr-v/2011/)Honda CR-V (http://autos.yahoo.com/honda/cr-v/2011/)

A redesigned version of this popular compact crossover SUV debuts in early 2012, but it should remain as dependable as the current generation (pictured here). Its 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine and five-speed automatic transmission will carry over, though the new model will be more stylish and receive assorted upgrades.


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(http://autos.yahoo.com/honda/fit/2012/)Honda Fit (http://autos.yahoo.com/honda/fit/2012/)

The subcompact four-door Fit remains a perfect car for the times – it’s reasonably priced, is fun to drive and its 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine gets stellar fuel economy. It’s roomier on the inside than its diminutive exterior might otherwise indicate, with a tall-roofed hatchback design that maximizes both rear-seat headroom and cargo space.


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(http://autos.yahoo.com/lexus/rx/2012/350-4x2/)Lexus RX 350 (http://autos.yahoo.com/lexus/rx/2012/350-4x2/)

Stylish and sophisticated, it’s difficult not to like this midsize five-passenger luxury crossover SUV. It delivers a smooth ride with reasonably entertaining handling and treats its occupants to a roomy interior. It offers a bevy of high-tech systems, but stick to the basics to avoid possible problems later on.



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(http://autos.yahoo.com/lincoln/mkz/2012/)Lincoln MKZ (http://autos.yahoo.com/lincoln/mkz/2012/)

This is the luxury-oriented version of the midsize Ford Fusion sedan, equipped with that model's V-6 engine. It’s quiet and comfortable inside and feels substantial on the road with a smooth ride and capable handling.




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(http://autos.yahoo.com/mazda/mx-5-miata/2012/)Mazda MX-5 Miata (http://autos.yahoo.com/mazda/mx-5-miata/2012/)

The low-slung two-seat MX-5 roadster remains as entertaining and solidly built as ever. A 2.0-liter engine generates a lively 167 horsepower with the standard manual gearbox and 158 with the optional automatic. Its handling is go-kart sharp. Choose the standard manually operated cloth top over the optional retractable hardtop for simplicity’s sake.


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(http://autos.yahoo.com/scion/xb/2012/)Scion xB (http://autos.yahoo.com/scion/xb/2012/)

This boxy looking compact wagon affords maximum flexibility as both a basic people mover and light-duty cargo hauler. A 158-horsepower four-cylinder engine makes the xB a lively ride, and there’s enough room in the back seat to fit two six-footers with legroom to spare.



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(http://autos.yahoo.com/subaru/forester/2012/)Subaru Forester (http://autos.yahoo.com/subaru/forester/2012/)

This smallish midsize crossover SUV is a nicely styled and performs admirably, with a reputation for reliability. A 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine produces a sufficient 170 horsepower, with a peppier turbocharged 224-horsepower version alternately available. All-wheel-drive is standard.



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(http://autos.yahoo.com/toyota/highlander/2012/)Toyota Highlander (http://autos.yahoo.com/toyota/highlander/2012/)

This Camry-based seven-passenger crossover is eminently likeable, with its graceful curves and gentle overall demeanor. A 187-horsepower four-cylinder engine is standard and should suffice for most buyers, while a smoother and stronger 270-horsepower V6 is also offered.



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(http://autos.yahoo.com/toyota/sienna/2012/)Toyota Sienna (http://autos.yahoo.com/toyota/sienna/2012/)

With seating for seven or eight passengers, the Sienna minivan is the quintessential people mover. While a 2.7-liter four-cylinder engine is standard, it works hard to get this big vehicle up to speed when fully loaded, so choose with the stronger 3.5-liter V-6 instead. Myriad comfort and convenience features are offered, but we suggest sticking to the basics to avoid additional long-term mechanical issues.


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Often overlooked in what is a domestic brand dominated market for full-size pickups, the Tundra leads the competition in reliability rankings and remains capable in its own right. A V-6 is standard, but those with anything but casual needs will want to choose either of the available smooth and powerful V-8 engines for long-term durability.

JayTheClown
12-15-2011, 08:01 PM
Glad to see my ride made the list

benefactor
12-15-2011, 08:09 PM
Surprising that their isn't a Hyundai on the list...seeings how they have the best from the factory warranty in the business right now. 60K bumper to bumper without paying extra.

JayTheClown
12-15-2011, 08:15 PM
Surprising that their isn't a Hyundai on the list...seeings how they have the best from the factory warranty in the business right now. 60K bumper to bumper without paying extra.

As a former Hyundai salesman I can tell that Hyundai has not gotten the respect the car deserves. Hyundai is still perceived a certain way due to its affiliation with Kia I think. Give a it a couple of years.

4>0rings
12-15-2011, 08:56 PM
Any newer car should run over 200k miles.

Blake
12-15-2011, 09:14 PM
My 2000 Camry made it easily to 220k before I parted ways with it

leemajors
12-15-2011, 09:19 PM
my 02 saturn is still chugging along well at 145k

greyforest
12-15-2011, 09:37 PM
as far as new cars (made within last 10 yrs):

damn near all hondas (and acuras, subcompany)
most toyotas (and lexus/scion, subcompanies)
some nissans

thats really about it. of any american cars, your best bet is with ford. gm/dodge self-destruct pretty quickly.

byrontx
12-15-2011, 11:26 PM
Before you bash American you have to look at trucks. The number 1 selling vehicle in the U. S. is the F150 and there is a damn good reason for it. The new 5.0 V8 is a hellava engine. The Ecoboost delivers on brawn and mpg. Across the board Ford, Chevy, Dodge, all are damn fine vehicles. The Tundra id pretty damn ugly but it is built in S. A. and it is a fine truck, too. There are folks whose lifestyle is condusive to having a car. Mine isn't, and that is true for a lot of people. When you get to trucks, America still rules.

there is not a truck made that won't hit 200,000 and keep going.

jman3000
12-15-2011, 11:33 PM
v6 standard for a Tundra? um no. They build about 20 of those a day compared to the 400 or so v8's.

DMC
12-16-2011, 01:03 AM
Meh, diesel trucks routinely get 300K+

Who would want to drive most of those cars for 200 miles, much less 200,000?

DMC
12-16-2011, 01:04 AM
Before you bash American you have to look at trucks. The number 1 selling vehicle in the U. S. is the F150 and there is a damn good reason for it. The new 5.0 V8 is a hellava engine. The Ecoboost delivers on brawn and mpg. Across the board Ford, Chevy, Dodge, all are damn fine vehicles. The Tundra id pretty damn ugly but it is built in S. A. and it is a fine truck, too. There are folks whose lifestyle is condusive to having a car. Mine isn't, and that is true for a lot of people. When you get to trucks, America still rules.

there is not a truck made that won't hit 200,000 and keep going.
It will hit 80K at which time it will blow a plug out of the engine and destroy the engine.

Should run and has run are two different things.

Almost any engine will hit 200K miles if you pour enough corrective and preventive maintenance money into it.

DMC
12-16-2011, 01:06 AM
With cars it's not as much the mileage as the age of the engine. There are 2010 models that have 100K miles on them (I've seen them), but they are no where near as worn out as a 2003 with 100K miles.

Time does a lot of damage that mileage does not.

Wild Cobra
12-16-2011, 03:38 AM
Any car should last over 200k miles with proper maintenance and lack of abuse.

Sportcamper
12-16-2011, 04:16 AM
there is not a truck made that won't hit 200,000 and keep going.

Obviously you have never owned a Chevy truck with a big block or ANY Dodge product…

Wild Cobra
12-16-2011, 05:22 AM
Obviously you have never owned a Chevy truck with a big block or ANY Dodge product…
Maybe its the way you take care of them?

benefactor
12-16-2011, 07:10 AM
Maybe its the way you take care of them?
I know that he's partially right. An experienced mechanic(used to supervise the service dept. at a large dealership before going independent) whose opinion I trust told me that after a 100k on most Chevy truck products(trucks, Suburbans, Tahoes, etc.) you are better off trading it in unless you want to spend a lot of time in his shop.

CosmicCowboy
12-16-2011, 09:28 AM
I know that he's partially right. An experienced mechanic(used to supervise the service dept. at a large dealership before going independent) whose opinion I trust told me that after a 100k on most Chevy truck products(trucks, Suburbans, Tahoes, etc.) you are better off trading it in unless you want to spend a lot of time in his shop.

Hmmm...I'm gonna have to disagree with this...I'm currently driving a Chevy 2500HD 4X4 with the 6 liter that just passed 205,000 and still going strong...no major mechanical problems of any kind...heck, I just changed brake pads for the first time at 198,000 miles...

benefactor
12-16-2011, 09:54 AM
Oh I'm sure there are plenty that make it that far. You couldn't sell the vehicles if most of them weren't somewhat dependable. It's probably more about him seeing that trend more often than not when he gets one in the shop. For me personally, I'll take his word for it. I don't crap shoot when it comes to cars.

CosmicCowboy
12-16-2011, 09:55 AM
Oh I'm sure there are plenty that make it that far. You couldn't sell the vehicles if most of them weren't somewhat dependable. It's probably more about him seeing that trend more often than not when he gets one in the shop. For me personally, I'll take his word for it. I don't crap shoot when it comes to cars.

And I don't spend $50,000 on a new truck if I don't need to.

Sportcamper
12-16-2011, 11:48 AM
Cosmic- isn’t the current Chevrolet 6 liter basically an off shoot of the 350 small block. (Yea the 350 V8 was a great small truck engine) When I say big block I am talking about a 454 engine. Up to The Mark 3 versions they ran hot & would start to burn oil about 130,000 miles and seize up at about 160,000 miles. The Mark-4 versions were greatly improved. But I have friends with big block Suburban’s & they all claim to be problematic.

As far as Dodge products go they were the number one vehicle line traded in on the “Cash for Clunkers” Stimulus program. People were turning in their 2004 Jeep Cherokees & Dodge Rams in droves, happy to get out from under them.

I am surprised that there are not any Buick sedans on the bullet proof reliability list

leemajors
12-16-2011, 01:26 PM
Cosmic- isn’t the current Chevrolet 6 liter basically an off shoot of the 350 small block. (Yea the 350 V8 was a great small truck engine) When I say big block I am talking about a 454 engine. Up to The Mark 3 versions they ran hot & would start to burn oil about 130,000 miles and seize up at about 160,000 miles. The Mark-4 versions were greatly improved. But I have friends with big block Suburban’s & they all claim to be problematic.

As far as Dodge products go they were the number one vehicle line traded in on the “Cash for Clunkers” Stimulus program. People were turning in their 2004 Jeep Cherokees & Dodge Rams in droves, happy to get out from under them.

I am surprised that there are not any Buick sedans on the bullet proof reliability list

you can get pretty new trucks dirt cheap at auction, they have no value.

CosmicCowboy
12-16-2011, 02:32 PM
Cosmic- isn’t the current Chevrolet 6 liter basically an off shoot of the 350 small block. (Yea the 350 V8 was a great small truck engine) When I say big block I am talking about a 454 engine. Up to The Mark 3 versions they ran hot & would start to burn oil about 130,000 miles and seize up at about 160,000 miles. The Mark-4 versions were greatly improved. But I have friends with big block Suburban’s & they all claim to be problematic.

As far as Dodge products go they were the number one vehicle line traded in on the “Cash for Clunkers” Stimulus program. People were turning in their 2004 Jeep Cherokees & Dodge Rams in droves, happy to get out from under them.

I am surprised that there are not any Buick sedans on the bullet proof reliability list

Yeah I had a Chevy with the 454 that SUCKED. Damn thing would be fine one minute and redline the temp gauge the next...It was like the thermostat locked closed...never could get it fixed and finally sold it...the 6 liter is like a 400ci motor that has been around for 10-15 years and is just a rock solid design although it doesn't get particularly good gas mileage...

On my next truck I'm really thinking about going with one of those Ford ecoboosts...

CosmicCowboy
12-16-2011, 02:33 PM
you can get pretty new trucks dirt cheap at auction, they have no value.

uhhh...trucks are still doing quite well in Texas...

Viva Las Espuelas
12-16-2011, 03:24 PM
Any car should last over 200k miles with proper maintenance and lack of abuse.

Yeah. You gotta do more with your car other than simply putting gas in it and wiping the windows when they fog up.

Viva Las Espuelas
12-16-2011, 03:26 PM
Usually all I see stranded on side of the road, truckwise, are Chevy's. Sure, they could've run out of gas, but still. I can speak for Ford and say they're pretty solid trucks.

DMC
12-16-2011, 04:13 PM
Forget the logo on the vehicle. Focus on the engine and the drive train. Engines are made of certain materials and they all work pretty much the same way. So it usually comes down to what lubricant the manufacturer has settled on, what coolant they develop, what emissions systems designs they incorporate and what shortcuts they took to get there.

Engines are all about lubricants and lubricants are all about thermal breakdown. That kills most engines, even the older ones.

Good oil bypass systems and synthetic blends will allow engines to run far longer with much less friction induced heat, and good oil coolant systems will allow that blend to maintain it's viscosity far longer than dinosaur oil. That's just the engine.

The drive train is similar, but you have to have one that's built in tolerance with the torque of the engine, and some manufacturers push the envelope to both save costs and to advertise "best in class" for rear wheel horse power and torque, often at the price of increased service intervals and higher failure rates post-warranty.

Wild Cobra
12-16-2011, 04:28 PM
I know that he's partially right. An experienced mechanic(used to supervise the service dept. at a large dealership before going independent) whose opinion I trust told me that after a 100k on most Chevy truck products(trucks, Suburbans, Tahoes, etc.) you are better off trading it in unless you want to spend a lot of time in his shop.
Was it a dealership service department? Could there be motive to sell more cars?

leemajors
12-16-2011, 05:37 PM
uhhh...trucks are still doing quite well in Texas...

My uncle who attends weekly car auctions in Houston would beg to differ. They may sell well but they aren't worth much for resale.

CosmicCowboy
12-16-2011, 07:22 PM
My uncle who attends weekly car auctions in Houston would beg to differ. They may sell well but they aren't worth much for resale.

Thats basically a short term phenomenon on 1-2 year old F150s because Ford way overproduced on new trucks this year and was offering zero% interest and rebates to get rid of inventory which temporarily screws up the resale market...nice 250s and 350s are still bringing good money.

CosmicCowboy
12-16-2011, 07:23 PM
Was it a dealership service department? Could there be motive to sell more cars?

Dealerships make it or break it on their service departments. Theres not a lot of profit in the actual new car sales.

leemajors
12-16-2011, 07:32 PM
Thats basically a short term phenomenon on 1-2 year old F150s because Ford way overproduced on new trucks this year and was offering zero% interest and rebates to get rid of inventory which temporarily screws up the resale market...nice 250s and 350s are still bringing good money.

It's been that way for a while since gas prices spiked badly 4-5 years ago, at least in Houston. Everyone bid up the small Honda and Toyota sedans to ridiculous prices, but you could walk out with a damn nice truck dirt cheap. The smaller cars have come down in auction price a bit, but you can still get trucks damn cheap at auction.

CosmicCowboy
12-16-2011, 09:01 PM
Maybe in Houston. SA market has been pretty strong. I was looking for a 50,000 mile used F350 to add to the fleet for six months this year before I finally found a deal.

CosmicCowboy
12-16-2011, 09:05 PM
If they are giving them away in Houston tell your uncle I'm looking for another 2005+ F350 dually regular cab cab/chassis or flatbed (gas) with under 80,000 miles.

Das Texan
12-16-2011, 09:13 PM
my 06 corolla is at 230,000.


still going strong. goal now is 400k

benefactor
12-16-2011, 09:57 PM
Was it a dealership service department? Could there be motive to sell more cars?
He no longer works for a dealership. He is independent and has his own garage.