Spurs Trying to Sign Chuck Hayes

[Man Mountain]

ESPNChrisPalmer chris palmer
Hayes went through "exhaustive testing" at the Cleveland Clinic yesterday and was informed by doctors that he doesn't have a heart problem.


Agent Calvin Andrews tells Y! Sports Sac frontrunner to sign Chuck Hayes, but Hou, SA, Minny in mix too. Decision likely to come after Xmas.

[DMC]

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Looks like Pop in the face a bit.

[mexicanjunior]

More use of the Spurs to up the price some other team pays...

[timvp]

Hayes is a damn good defender. He's definitely worth $9 million over three years.

Too bad that likely won't be enough to sign him. The non-amnesty of RJ is the gift that keeps on giving . . .

[elemento]

SAC will get him, AGAIN

[tmtcsc]

They should do whatever they can to get him. He's a fantastic defender. Lacks game at the offensive end but we have plenty of that.

[scottspurs]

This would be a great pickup for the Spurs. Hayes is one of the hardest workers in the league. Won't provide any offense, but his post defense is excellent. Will provide Duncan and Splitter plenty of Block opportunities. Playing him next to Duncan would be the perfect combination defensively. Blair could learn a lot from him too.

[Bruno]

Hayes is a damn good defender. He's definitely worth $9 million over three years.

Too bad that likely won't be enough to sign him. The non-amnesty of RJ is the gift that keeps on giving . . .


Well, you can blame too Spurs not salary dumping Dice...

[SenorSpur]

I concur. I only wish it were possible.

[ElNono]

Hayes is a damn good defender. He's definitely worth $9 million over three years.

Too bad that likely won't be enough to sign him. The non-amnesty of RJ is the gift that keeps on giving . . .

:pop: "It's ok, we're not in a hurry to do anything"

[benefactor]

Would be awesome.

Will not happen.

[Fabbs]

:pop: "It's ok, we're not in a hurry to do anything"
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Spurs head coach 2007 - to infinity and beyond.
ElNonos hero.

[benefactor]

Hayes is the Bruce Bowen of post defense. His fundamentals and positioning are near flawless on that end. Not to mention his base is like a hundred year old oak tree.

[Dex]

Not even about to get my hopes up.

[TimmehC]

Yes, please. Undersized doesn't mean shit with this particular big man.

[xtremesteven33]

I love the comparison that Hayes is the Bowen of Bigmen. His defensive fundamentals is something that would give the Spurs a huge help in the paint.

Please Hayes sign with the Spurs

[Gino2882]

I think he would be the ideal fit at this point for the Spurs. Popovich basically refuses to play Tiago Splitter with Tim Duncan, evidenced again in last night's preseason finale with the Rockets. We have gotten zero chance to see Duncan and Splitter work together, Pop seemingly likes Blair/Bonner with Duncan.

As for Chuck Hayes, he really has the reputation as a great post defender and has been effective versus much bigger players such as Bynum/Gasol and Amare Stoudemire.

Hayes was to sign a four year $21 million deal before the heart condition was revealed. I can't imagine a team offering the full MLE again, so maybe three years $9 million would work.

[kobyz]

i wish, he's a top ten favorite player of mine!

[baseline bum]

What an upgrade he'd be over Blair.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Fuck SAC, I really hope they don't pick him up. I don't know if he'd like to play for a fringe contender, but it's gotta be better than playing for a lottery team.

[lefty]

Wait



Doesnt he have health issues ?


:wtf

[ace3g]

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Free agent big man Chuck Hayes tells Y! Sports that while Kings will get strong consideration he is "back at square one" free agency wise.

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
"I have to see what teams are interested still. It’s back to the drawing board, block one, lets go on this merry-go-round," Hayes told Y!


and ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
RT @MazzESPN: Brook Lopez will have foot surgery tomorrow morning #nets

so hopefully the Nets don't target Hayes after that news.

[SenorSpur]

I don't know if Hayes would strongly consider the Spurs, but I have to believe there are other teams that can afford to offer him more than the mini-MLE, which is about all the Spurs have available.

[Libri]

Wait



Doesnt he have health issues ?


:wtf

Now that other teams know, Spurs have very little chance to sign him.

[monkeypunk]

I'm not even wasting time dreaming.

BillionNets are totally going to scoop him up.

[SA210]

I love the comparison that Hayes is the Bowen of Bigmen. His defensive fundamentals is something that would give the Spurs a huge help in the paint.

Please Hayes sign with the Spurs

[JonNOKC]

does Dalembert signing take HOU out of mix or they still be able to offer more than Spurs

[Bill_Brasky]

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[024]

interesting option though i doubt hayes will take less money to sit behind bonner in the rotation.

[JR3]

I guess I don't care as much how tall he is if he can defend!

[spurs10]

interesting option though i doubt hayes will take less money to sit behind bonner in the rotation.
:(

[Dex]

interesting option though i doubt hayes will take less money to sit behind bonner in the rotation.

If Hayes came here, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the starting lineup. If anything, Blair would probably be the one finding himself in the doghouse.

[z0sa]

Picking up Hayes would significantly improve my outlook concerning our defensive potential this season. Between he, Timmy, Splitter, and Blair we might could have a halfway decent defensive frontcourt. Lacking in size but maybe, just maybe they could make up for it in heart and hustle.

[elemento]

I have no doubt Hayes would start here. We don't need his offense. We need his defense, badly.

[NASpurs]

If Hayes did decide to play here, maybe he could show DeJuan how to use his big body and play defense like he does.

[mexicanjunior]

If Hayes did decide to play here, maybe he could show DeJuan how to use his big body and play defense like he does.

Yeah, that would be one of the biggest reasons he would help...by showing Blair how to play a big man game in a little frame. I think he would be an upgrade over Mcdyess from last year also.

[ChumpDumper]

If Hayes did decide to play here, maybe he could show DeJuan how to use his big body and play defense like he does.


Yeah, that would be one of the biggest reasons he would help...by showing Blair how to play a big man game in a little frame. I think he would be an upgrade over Mcdyess from last year also.If Hayes is signed, there's no reason to have Blair at all.

[mystargtr34]

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Looks like Pop in the face a bit.

Actually quite a lot :lol

[Trill Clinton]

do.not.want. he's a medical liability.

[ChumpDumper]

do.not.want. he's a medical liability.in what way?

[stephen jackson]

yeah, not gonna happen

[manufan10]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Frank_Leavitt_wrestler.jpg/250px-Frank_Leavitt_wrestler.jpg

Looks like Pop in the face a bit.


Actually quite a lot :lol

The only difference is this guy has hair. :lol

[Trill Clinton]

he's a liability because he failed a physical which voided his 4 year 21mil contract and had to take a battery of heart tests before he could be cleared. something isn't right with him. no point in taking a risk on a player with ANY kind of health problems, especially the heart.

If he agrees to a 1 year contract for the league minimum I'd consider it.

[ChumpDumper]

he's a liability because he failed a physical which voided his 4 year 21mil contract and had to take a battery of heart tests before he could be cleared. something isn't right with him. no point in taking a risk on a player with ANY kind of health problems, especially the heart.

If he agrees to a 1 year contract for the league minimum I'd consider it.I'd spend all the money currently available to the Spurs.

The reward would be much greater than the risk -- which seems to be rather dubious at this point.

[Seventyniner]

Would be awesome.

Will not happen.

[Trill Clinton]

I'd spend all the money currently available to the Spurs.

The reward would be much greater than the risk -- which seems to be rather dubious at this point.

exactly, at this point. who knows what may happen down the line. don't get me wrong he's a good player. I just prefer to err on the side of caution in situations like this.

[ChumpDumper]

exactly, at this point. who knows what may happen down the line. don't get me wrong he's a good player. I just prefer to err on the side of caution in situations like this.The maximum amount of money the spurs can spend is small enough that it's worth the risk.

[Trill Clinton]

The maximum amount of money the spurs can spend is small enough that it's worth the risk.

what is the amount? and do you think he will agree to that amount?

[rayray2k8]

If the spurs are interested, they're not getting him...

[remingtonbo2001]

What about a sign and trade?

[Buddy Holly]

what is the amount? and do you think he will agree to that amount?

3 million.

[SenorSpur]

Call me pessimistic, but everyone else has turned down the Spurs advances. It wouldn't surprise me if Hayes did too. No matter how it goes, the FO certainly needs to make the overture.

[mystargtr34]

Hopefully the Spurs can pick up Hayes.. you would say the offer would be 3 years $9M so whether he signs probably depends on if or how much the Kings decide to offer him the second time around. Hes a guy who hasnt made alot of $ in his career so i would expect him to chase the $ first, which is fair enough. I dont see the Rockets being in the picture with Dalembert, Scola, Patterson, Hill, Thabeet and even Morris who i see as a 4.

I guess another positive is if the Kings do sign Hayes, that may make Landry or Thompson available. They already have these two plus Cousins, Hickson, Whiteside. I think they may be a little higher on these three than the first two, i wouldnt want Landry.. had enough of 6'6' bigmen who dont play defense.. but Thompson still has some upside. Maybe Blair + a pick.

[mingus]

he would be a huge difference-maker for us. we would've beaten Memphis with Chuck Hayes on our roster. with him, the Spurs would be a part of the championship discussion. probably on the fringes of it, but a part of it nonetheless.

without another defensvely capable big, Spurs are going to go into virtually every game with their legs spread waiting to be penetrated when the second unit comes in and first round fodder like last year.

[angelbelow]

Undersized, unathletic power forward?...

I'm IN, his defense is SUPERB. His positioning is awesome thanks to his timing and his strength and his rebounding is actually a bit underrated. He has 0 offensive which includes the NBAs ugliest freethrow shooting form. If he'll come for cheap.. we'd be stupid not to take him.

[TD 21]

Hopefully the Spurs can pick up Hayes.. you would say the offer would be 3 years $9M so whether he signs probably depends on if or how much the Kings decide to offer him the second time around. Hes a guy who hasnt made alot of $ in his career so i would expect him to chase the $ first, which is fair enough. I dont see the Rockets being in the picture with Dalembert, Scola, Patterson, Hill, Thabeet and even Morris who i see as a 4.

I guess another positive is if the Kings do sign Hayes, that may make Landry or Thompson available. They already have these two plus Cousins, Hickson, Whiteside. I think they may be a little higher on these three than the first two, i wouldnt want Landry.. had enough of 6'6' bigmen who dont play defense.. but Thompson still has some upside. Maybe Blair + a pick.

Landry is on the Hornets. And as far as Thompson, I don't see why they'd trade him. Even if they signed Hayes again and added him to Cousins, Hickson and Outlaw, only Cousins is over 6-9 and Outlaw is a combo forward.

The only way the Spurs could make it work financially would be to offer Blair and Anderson (out of players they'd realistically even consider, obviously), which is too much. The Kings would probably be willing to throw in their 2nd, but that's still not enough. And neither Blair nor Anderson would make a great deal of sense for them. I don't see a fit.

[Dex]

@mr_jasonjones Jason Jones
Sounds like Kings players have been told Hayes will be joining the team again.



Everything I've heard since this morning pointed to Chuck Hayes returning to Kings and comments after practice say same thing.

Jason Jones

[Anonymous Cowherd]

yup.


saw that one coming.

[z0sa]

Dude wants his $$.

[spurs10]

Can they offer him a 1 year LLE (3m) with more money in the second year when Tim's 20 million come off the books? I'm wondering if they can match the Kings offer over the next 3/4 years. I think getting Hayes would be really great, we sure need him.

[Dex]

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
RT @KSherrets_Kings: Looks like Chuck Hayes is coming to SAC tomorrow according to Kings coach Paul Westphal

[spurs10]

^ never mind....

[angelbelow]

Well shucks.. that was fun (and filled with uncomfortable anxiety) while it lasted..

[timtonymanu]

Just another chapter in the Spurs shitty offseason.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

fuck
this
shit

[mystargtr34]

Landry is on the Hornets. And as far as Thompson, I don't see why they'd trade him. Even if they signed Hayes again and added him to Cousins, Hickson and Outlaw, only Cousins is over 6-9 and Outlaw is a combo forward.

The only way the Spurs could make it work financially would be to offer Blair and Anderson (out of players they'd realistically even consider, obviously), which is too much. The Kings would probably be willing to throw in their 2nd, but that's still not enough. And neither Blair nor Anderson would make a great deal of sense for them. I don't see a fit.

:lol ur right.. shows how irrelevant the hornets have become.. or that I need to get my act together.

Your right about Anderson not being a perfect fit.. or Blair for that matter.. Which is why you would need to offer the draft pick .. would the Kings take a first rounder for their back up power forward? I would say they think about it.. he didn't really get a lot of burn last season.. so I don't think they are really really high on him.

[Obstructed_View]

Oh shit. Yet another big the Spurs had zero chance of getting who all the ignorant fans are going to freak out because the FO didn't get them.

[TD 21]

:lol ur right.. shows how irrelevant the hornets have become.. or that I need to get my act together.

Your right about Anderson not being a perfect fit.. or Blair for that matter.. Which is why you would need to offer the draft pick .. would the Kings take a first rounder for their back up power forward? I would say they think about it.. he didn't really get a lot of burn last season.. so I don't think they are really really high on him.

The reason I didn't say Blair, Green and a 1st is because I'm fairly certain it wouldn't work financially. Otherwise, that would be the logical package to offer (although, the Spurs would probably request a 2nd in return). But just as Blair doesn't make a lot of sense for the Kings, neither does a 20 something pick.

Even if the Kings would do this, I'm not even sure the Spurs would. Thompson is like a poor man's Aldridge. But he's not very athletic and he's never been known as much of a defender. Since the Spurs don't prioritize/value size anyway, they may prefer Blair's vastly superior rebounding and energy. And that's not even taking into consideration the 1st.

[smrattler]

We need to start a permanent thread for:

"Free Agents who say they are 'considering' Spurs but are just trying to drive up their own price, while at the same time allowing the Spurs to make their fans think that they are being 'active' in free agency so they don't suspect that they are actually looking to improve from within, and eventually try to convince their fans that since player X was just a rookie last year and sat around doing jack shit, he now has a year under his belt, knows the system and is basically the equivalent of a big free agent signing."

[PublicOption]

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Looks like Pop in the face a bit.


:pop: "that's granps, he liked the vino too!"

[ace3g]

sam_amick Sam Amick
Regarding Kings voiding Hayes' contract, they had window of 6 days to void deal & couldn't risk being on hook for $21 mil if 2nd opinion bad

sam_amick Sam Amick
They played this perfectly, alerting Hayes to problem (he does have enlarged heart) & advising him to have more tests done b4 reconvening.

[Giuseppe]

Have you fellows felt enough pain yet?

tee, hee.

[Calispursfan11]

Hayes is a midget aside from his a$$

[SenorSpur]

Just another chapter in the Spurs shitty offseason.

This shittiest in some time.

[xellos88330]

Have you fellows felt enough pain yet?

tee, hee.

How is Kobe's wrist?

[Buddy Holly]

We need to start a permanent thread for:

"Free Agents who say they are 'considering' Spurs but are just trying to drive up their own price, while at the same time allowing the Spurs to make their fans think that they are being 'active' in free agency so they don't suspect that they are actually looking to improve from within, and eventually try to convince their fans that since player X was just a rookie last year and sat around doing jack shit, he now has a year under his belt, knows the system and is basically the equivalent of a big free agent signing."

Chuck Hayes never claimed to be considering anyone other than the Kings. It was media reports stating teams were interested in him, including the Spurs.

[TheProfessor]

Have you fellows felt enough pain yet?

tee, hee.
If anyone felt pain over this, they did it to themselves unnecessarily. Pretty clear Hayes would get his money when and if he got a clean bill of health.

[Steve-O-Matic]

Re-signing with SAC for four years, $22 million.

[Giuseppe]

How is Kobe's wrist?

Got ya!!!