Trade for Demarcus Cousins?

[TwelveGs210]

Demarcus Cousins demanded a trade from Sacramento..He's got size, he's 21, and IIRC, ther Spurs were rumored to make a deal to move up in that draft possibly to get him..any thoughts?

[Brutalis]

He is selfish. He's one of those guys all about himself. He got into it with his own team at Kentucky more times than I can count, and that already poured over onto the Kings.

Would love to add his skills at his size but he acts like a 9 year old and that will never fly in SA.

[Uriel]

He has major, major character red flags. But his talent and upside is so enormous, he could develop into the cornerstone of our franchise a la Tim Duncan once the Big 3 is gone.

That said, I'm wary if we can give up enough to get him. Other teams will almost certainly be interested, and many can offer better packages than the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

If the Spurs could somehow trade small for big, maybe -- but damn, he's a roll of the dice chemistry-wise.

[TwelveGs210]

I figured he would be a distraction if he demanded a trade, but maybe a change in scenery/leadership could help him..maybe they will try and prove a point and be willing to let him go cheap..

[Seventyniner]

Many teams out there would be willing to give up good pieces to potentially (given he eventually signs an extension) young, talented big man. It would probably take two of Blair, Splitter, Neal, or Anderson plus a pick or two to get it done, and I don't think it's worth it.

[Ice009]

I think he's friends with DeJuan, and DeJuan would probably help keep him in check or would he have to be part of the trade package?

[cd98]

Head cases are rarely worth it and this clown is no exception. Though I would think it would be good for Pop to slap him around. No chance Cousins could get Pop fired.

[stxspurs]

I'm seeing an upside to splitter...is keep him...I think bonner would love the coast lol

[mailboogie52]

Let's see what Pop thinks. If he wants to go after Cousins, I am not the only one who would be for it. But if he doesn't, then we will have to accept his decision.

I would love to see Cousins in Spurs silver and black. He has the tools to be a good player.

If no trade is made to shore up the big situation, maybe we could get E. Lorbek to come on over this season. Either that or Richards, both are doing great in Europe.

[Brutalis]

He's averaging 13/11 on a terrible team. I think he's pissed cause he isn't "the man" on the squad.

[024]

i would trade anyone on the spurs for cousins. of course, the kings won't want the old vets but any kind of young prospect + draft picks would be a no brainer to get cousins.

[stephen jackson]

"well do our due diligence" :pop:

[itzsoweezee]

I'd trade Bonner and a first round pick for him

[Sean Cagney]

Trade who for him? Not many pieces to trade.
I'd trade Bonner and a first round pick for him

IN A HEARTBEAT LOL.

[ChumpDumper]

Let's see what Pop thinks. If he wants to go after Cousins, I am not the only one who would be for it. But if he doesn't, then we will have to accept his decision.

I would love to see Cousins in Spurs silver and black. He has the tools to be a good player.

If no trade is made to shore up the big situation, maybe we could get E. Lorbek to come on over this season. Either that or Richards, both are doing great in Europe.I can only KBP Richards' status at this point. Sniffing the boxscores reveals he's rebounding with some consistency but not much else.

I do know that the second leading scorer on his team was kind of a middling bench shooting guard in the D-League for a couple of seasons, and that guy's stats are up across the board in the Swiss league as a starter. Considering the level of D-League play is lower this season (but improving a bit of late), Richards doesn't seem ready for prime time.

All caveats apply.

[lefty]

No thanks


Wait...

[angelbelow]

ChuckD made a good points in the general nba forum as well, I would pass on this guy.

-It would cost too much to get him, likely Splitter or Blair.
-Major character issues
-Doesn't play hard
-Will go from a situation where he gets all the minutes he wants to a 4/5th big situation. No way that sits well with someone as immature as him.

Pop's already shown that he'll bench talent over veterans in "fairness".. No way he plays Cousins over any of our bigs. Which means hes going to whine and bitch and eventually demand another trade.

[ducks]

guy sounds like sj before he got here

[DJ Mbenga]

price too high. Might ask for parker.

[lefty]

price too high. Might ask for parker.

I'm down

[ducks]

spurs traded beno to them

with this going public kings are not going to get alot for him

[TDMVPDPOY]

this guy has so much potential if someone sets him straight

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Big risk, potentially big reward, but there's no way Pop would play the guy! He's all about himself. Big man who shot 43% last year says a lot. I wouldn't give up any of the Big 3, Splitter, Blair, Leonard for him. If we could land him for anything else, give it a shot.

[Obstructed_View]

spurs traded beno to them

with this going public kings are not going to get alot for him

Beno was traded to the Timberwolves. The Kings signed him for the MLE.

[Obstructed_View]

Big risk, potentially big reward, but there's no way Pop would play the guy! He's all about himself. Big man who shot 43% last year says a lot. I wouldn't give up any of the Big 3, Splitter, Blair, Leonard for him. If we could land him for anything else, give it a shot.

Ouch.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Ouch.

Yup. This season he's at 32.1% to start the year. :rolleyes

Takes bad shots, mopes if he doesn't get the ball... huge talent attached to a non-functional brain.

I'd look to pick him up in 2 or 3 years when he's taken some hard knocks and realised that team comes first and you have to work hard to get anywhere in the NBA.

[SenorSpur]

Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned Bonner and a 1st round pick. If that's all it would take, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Outside of that, it's not worth parting with a more valuable asset (Splitter, Leonard or Anderson) on a player who is such a high risk.

While I believe Pop could handle him for a while, it would probably be a matter of time before he burned his bridges in SA too.

Let the buyer beware, but still, the Spurs at least have to make an inquiry on him.

[BillMc]

DeMarcus does not remotely seem ready to "get over himself."

[urunobili]

Bonner, Neal and RJ would do it?

[angelbelow]

Bonner, Neal and RJ would do it?

No way I'd give up Neal or RJ for him. I don't know much about Cousins, but I do know that hes a lazy headcase who doesn't give a shit about team basketball. He won't be happy playing behind Duncan, Splitter and Blair. He'll whine and bitch about not getting the ball, not getting playing time and ultimately he'll demand a trade from the Spurs.

With that being said, I would trade Bonner for him and pray for SJax part 2. I might do RJ but that probably means we take back bad contracts..

[rascal]

Yes, trade for him. The Spurs are in a position that playing safe (not taking any chances because of character isssues) will not work anymore. They are desperate for help on the fontline and taking the chance and having it work out puts the Spurs in a better position to contend this year.

He is a young talented player with great upside. If he didn't have any red flags( ?character issues) then he would not be attainable. Pop can straighten him out and being around a known winner like Duncan can do him good.

[024]

Yup. This season he's at 32.1% to start the year. :rolleyes

Takes bad shots, mopes if he doesn't get the ball... huge talent attached to a non-functional brain.

I'd look to pick him up in 2 or 3 years when he's taken some hard knocks and realised that team comes first and you have to work hard to get anywhere in the NBA.
by then he will command a 12 million dollar per year contract. if the spurs want a big man full of potential, they need to pick one up cheap. the attitude problem can easily be corrected on the spurs.

[rascal]

Most here are typical fag Spur fans. Too afraid to take any chances.

[SenorSpur]

Pop should trade for him, then send him down to for a stint in Austin so that he gets over himself.

[angelbelow]

Yes, trade for him. The Spurs are in a position that playing safe (not taking any chances because of character isssues) will not work anymore. They are desperate for help on the fontline and taking the chance and having it work out puts the Spurs in a better position to contend this year.

He is a young talented player with great upside. If he didn't have any red flags( ?character issues) then he would not be attainable. Pop can straighten him out and being around a known winner like Duncan can do him good.

Typical Idealist. Btw which player would you trade for this headcase? Try and be realistic too. No "Bonner for Cousins" bullshit.

[BillMc]

Cousins is making a terrible mistake. You don't become a pain in the ass on your rookie contract. You wait until you've got the next bigger contract. He's costing himself millions...

[DJ Mbenga]

his value is not as laughable as low as some of the proposals. would probably be leonard(since they are loaded with guards already) neal blair for cousins garcia.

[rascal]

Big risk, potentially big reward, but there's no way Pop would play the guy! He's all about himself. Big man who shot 43% last year says a lot. I wouldn't give up any of the Big 3, Splitter, Blair, Leonard for him. If we could land him for anything else, give it a shot.

In other words you basically would want him for free.
I like these guys who would want a player but aren't willing to trade anyone worth anything.

Splitter for him would be a steal for the Spurs. He has far more upside potential than Splitter.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the problem is he wants to be first option on offense, too bad we dont have a pass first pg....

[angelbelow]

the problem is he wants to be first option on offense, too bad we dont have a pass first pg....

Too bad hes not good enough to be a first option on offense type player.

[siraulo23]

too lazy to check if numbers work or not

but i'd trade any combination of neal/bonner/rj

[ChuckD]

In other words you basically would want him for free.
I like these guys who would want a player but aren't willing to trade anyone worth anything.

Splitter for him would be a steal for the Spurs. He has far more upside potential than Splitter.

1) You don't pay much for a lit stick of dynamite. It won't be around long.

2) More downside offsets more upside.

[TwelveGs210]

Let's trade the rights to Spanoulis since KBP says he's currently better than any player on the Spurs, and add in a conditional 2018 second round pick to sweeten the deal.

[analyzed]

Remember once upon a time we traded for headcase Rodman, using our 1st round pick and ultimate team guy Sean Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_. Stranger things have happened

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol the clowns saying put him around winners will change his situation

when was the last time the spurs were winners?

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol the clowns saying put him around winners will change his situation

when was the last time the spurs were winners?

[Man In Black]

He's the next coming....



Of Mike SuckmyWokandi!

Spurs fans thought Olowokandi was going to be a beast here should he come and I argued that was big hell naw, and well, the Spurs got rings once Wokandi bailed for Minnesota and did what? What did he do after he left the Clippers? What is he doing now?

That's the career path that Cousins is on right now. He ain't Spur material...He just ain't.

[Bill_Brasky]

I don't want this cancer anywhere near my team. This is a guy who has gotten into MULTIPLE fights with teammates. Fuck. No.

[itzsoweezee]

Lol, dude has zero trade value. He can be had for next to nothing. I'd take him for sure

[ElNono]

Spurs value character = not in the Spurs radar, IMO

[itzsoweezee]

his value is not as laughable as low as some of the proposals. would probably be leonard(since they are loaded with guards already) neal blair for cousins garcia.

You're out of your mind. The kings are going to be begging teams to take him.

[jdiggy0424]

with the current roster that the spurs have, I think its necessary to address the lack of help from the front line. Adding cousins would be the best upgrade for this team, and I have no problem offering splitter/jefferson/anderson and a future first rounder for cousins.

[TE]

with the current roster that the spurs have, I think its necessary to address the lack of help from the front line. Adding cousins would be the best upgrade for this team, and I have no problem offering splitter/jefferson/anderson and a future first rounder for cousins.

Are you retarded enough or are you just trying harder to be stupid?


Wow.

[ElNono]

tbh, I have a feeling Kings are going to want to package him with "The Microwave" Thornton, who's due $32 million for the next 4 seasons and a blackhole.

I just don't think they're going to let him walk for the equivalent of $4.5m...

[jdiggy0424]

Are you retarded enough or are you just trying harder to be stupid?


Wow.

Of course I don't mean offer all 3, just a player from that group, bonner and a future 1st rounder. The kings are going to need at least 1 prospect included in any potential trade whether it be in,a future draft, or vice-versa.

[Em-City]

let's also go for blatche while we're at it...

[GSH]

Maybe none of you really followed him, or what went on in Sac last year. While they were trying to negotiate his rookie contract, he was such a crazy bastard that there were rumors that they might actually renounce him. They got the contract signed, and then had to hire his high school coach as a babysitter, in the hope that he would at least have a little influence over him. (Maybe there have been other coaches who jumped straight from high school to being an assistant in the NBA, but I never heard about it.) One of the Kings' staff got into trouble for saying that the "kid has a screw loose" - but everyone else was thinking the same thing.

From the moment he arrived, he started making demands like he was LeBron. He ignored and insulted Paul Westphal, and the assistants, and was all but uncontrollable. He showed up for camp at almost 300 lbs., and pissed on the strength coach until the team finally fined him $5K, and threatened to suspend him for the first game of the season. He had screaming matches with coaches during practices, over their instructions. During the season, he started a fight with Donte Greene after a game that was so bad that he was refused a seat on the team plane afterward. Why? Because during the game, Greene inbounded the ball to another player, and Cousins thought he should have gotten it instead. That's a rookie... with one year of college ball under his belt.

This season he came into camp as the supposedly "new and improved" DeMarcus Cousins. All of that attitude shit was behind him, and he was going to be a good teammate and bring a championship to Sacramento. He couldn't even make it last two weeks - on the last day of camp he demanded to be traded. Seriously? Demanding a trade over something that happened in camp?

Of course, it shouldn't be any surprise that he's demanding a trade after one season in the league. After high school, he committed to one university. (Alabama?), then reneged. Then he signed a letter of intent with Memphis. Then reneged again, and went to Kentucky.

You guys can debate his talent all you want to. I think most people agree he's got skills. But there's no way he's coming to this team. Everyone knows about the time Latrell Sprewell choked P.J. Carlesimo. But the team didn't really publicize the time he got into a fight with Jerome Kersey, and came back to practice with a two by four, and threatened to bring a gun. (Or a bunch of other crazy-stupid shit.) Cousins is a lot like that. There's a lot more wrong with him than most people have read about on ESPN. And unless he gets his head fixed, he'll bring his teams just as many championships as Sprewell did. I don't think players all have to be do-gooders. But they can't be crazy-assed, distractive troublemakers all the time, either.

[Ice009]

Thanks for the info GSH, but didn't Pop try to get Sprewell on the Spurs once or twice before?

[spurs10]

^ Good post. I wasn't aware of his problems. I'm sure everybody in the league is hip to his craziness. Good luck kid....

[SenorSpur]

Maybe none of you really followed him, or what went on in Sac last year. While they were trying to negotiate his rookie contract, he was such a crazy bastard that there were rumors that they might actually renounce him. They got the contract signed, and then had to hire his high school coach as a babysitter, in the hope that he would at least have a little influence over him. (Maybe there have been other coaches who jumped straight from high school to being an assistant in the NBA, but I never heard about it.) One of the Kings' staff got into trouble for saying that the "kid has a screw loose" - but everyone else was thinking the same thing.

From the moment he arrived, he started making demands like he was LeBron. He ignored and insulted Paul Westphal, and the assistants, and was all but uncontrollable. He showed up for camp at almost 300 lbs., and pissed on the strength coach until the team finally fined him $5K, and threatened to suspend him for the first game of the season. He had screaming matches with coaches during practices, over their instructions. During the season, he started a fight with Donte Greene after a game that was so bad that he was refused a seat on the team plane afterward. Why? Because during the game, Greene inbounded the ball to another player, and Cousins thought he should have gotten it instead. That's a rookie... with one year of college ball under his belt.

This season he came into camp as the supposedly "new and improved" DeMarcus Cousins. All of that attitude shit was behind him, and he was going to be a good teammate and bring a championship to Sacramento. He couldn't even make it last two weeks - on the last day of camp he demanded to be traded. Seriously? Demanding a trade over something that happened in camp?

Of course, it shouldn't be any surprise that he's demanding a trade after one season in the league. After high school, he committed to one university. (Alabama?), then reneged. Then he signed a letter of intent with Memphis. Then reneged again, and went to Kentucky.

You guys can debate his talent all you want to. I think most people agree he's got skills. But there's no way he's coming to this team. Everyone knows about the time Latrell Sprewell choked P.J. Carlesimo. But the team didn't really publicize the time he got into a fight with Jerome Kersey, and came back to practice with a two by four, and threatened to bring a gun. (Or a bunch of other crazy-stupid shit.) Cousins is a lot like that. There's a lot more wrong with him than most people have read about on ESPN. And unless he gets his head fixed, he'll bring his teams just as many championships as Sprewell did. I don't think players all have to be do-gooders. But they can't be crazy-assed, distractive troublemakers all the time, either.

Wow! Thanks for posting this. It's pretty obvious that this kid quite possibly DOES have a screw loose somewhere.

I guarantee Mark Cuban will be after him for sure - seeing as how he's trying to corner the market on bigs.

[baseline bum]

Maybe none of you really followed him, or what went on in Sac last year. While they were trying to negotiate his rookie contract, he was such a crazy bastard that there were rumors that they might actually renounce him. They got the contract signed, and then had to hire his high school coach as a babysitter, in the hope that he would at least have a little influence over him. (Maybe there have been other coaches who jumped straight from high school to being an assistant in the NBA, but I never heard about it.) One of the Kings' staff got into trouble for saying that the "kid has a screw loose" - but everyone else was thinking the same thing.

From the moment he arrived, he started making demands like he was LeBron. He ignored and insulted Paul Westphal, and the assistants, and was all but uncontrollable. He showed up for camp at almost 300 lbs., and pissed on the strength coach until the team finally fined him $5K, and threatened to suspend him for the first game of the season. He had screaming matches with coaches during practices, over their instructions. During the season, he started a fight with Donte Greene after a game that was so bad that he was refused a seat on the team plane afterward. Why? Because during the game, Greene inbounded the ball to another player, and Cousins thought he should have gotten it instead. That's a rookie... with one year of college ball under his belt.

This season he came into camp as the supposedly "new and improved" DeMarcus Cousins. All of that attitude shit was behind him, and he was going to be a good teammate and bring a championship to Sacramento. He couldn't even make it last two weeks - on the last day of camp he demanded to be traded. Seriously? Demanding a trade over something that happened in camp?

Of course, it shouldn't be any surprise that he's demanding a trade after one season in the league. After high school, he committed to one university. (Alabama?), then reneged. Then he signed a letter of intent with Memphis. Then reneged again, and went to Kentucky.

You guys can debate his talent all you want to. I think most people agree he's got skills. But there's no way he's coming to this team. Everyone knows about the time Latrell Sprewell choked P.J. Carlesimo. But the team didn't really publicize the time he got into a fight with Jerome Kersey, and came back to practice with a two by four, and threatened to bring a gun. (Or a bunch of other crazy-stupid shit.) Cousins is a lot like that. There's a lot more wrong with him than most people have read about on ESPN. And unless he gets his head fixed, he'll bring his teams just as many championships as Sprewell did. I don't think players all have to be do-gooders. But they can't be crazy-assed, distractive troublemakers all the time, either.

Wow, I didn't know all of that; I take back wanting to make a deal for him then. The Spurs are extremely desperate for frontcourt talent, but that's a lot worse than just a lack of maturity.

[The_Worlds_finest]

Bonner and a pick, that is all. Pop was able to deal with rodman and jackson, cousins could be worth the chance.

[angelbelow]

Maybe none of you really followed him, or what went on in Sac last year. While they were trying to negotiate his rookie contract, he was such a crazy bastard that there were rumors that they might actually renounce him. They got the contract signed, and then had to hire his high school coach as a babysitter, in the hope that he would at least have a little influence over him. (Maybe there have been other coaches who jumped straight from high school to being an assistant in the NBA, but I never heard about it.) One of the Kings' staff got into trouble for saying that the "kid has a screw loose" - but everyone else was thinking the same thing.

From the moment he arrived, he started making demands like he was LeBron. He ignored and insulted Paul Westphal, and the assistants, and was all but uncontrollable. He showed up for camp at almost 300 lbs., and pissed on the strength coach until the team finally fined him $5K, and threatened to suspend him for the first game of the season. He had screaming matches with coaches during practices, over their instructions. During the season, he started a fight with Donte Greene after a game that was so bad that he was refused a seat on the team plane afterward. Why? Because during the game, Greene inbounded the ball to another player, and Cousins thought he should have gotten it instead. That's a rookie... with one year of college ball under his belt.

This season he came into camp as the supposedly "new and improved" DeMarcus Cousins. All of that attitude shit was behind him, and he was going to be a good teammate and bring a championship to Sacramento. He couldn't even make it last two weeks - on the last day of camp he demanded to be traded. Seriously? Demanding a trade over something that happened in camp?

Of course, it shouldn't be any surprise that he's demanding a trade after one season in the league. After high school, he committed to one university. (Alabama?), then reneged. Then he signed a letter of intent with Memphis. Then reneged again, and went to Kentucky.

You guys can debate his talent all you want to. I think most people agree he's got skills. But there's no way he's coming to this team. Everyone knows about the time Latrell Sprewell choked P.J. Carlesimo. But the team didn't really publicize the time he got into a fight with Jerome Kersey, and came back to practice with a two by four, and threatened to bring a gun. (Or a bunch of other crazy-stupid shit.) Cousins is a lot like that. There's a lot more wrong with him than most people have read about on ESPN. And unless he gets his head fixed, he'll bring his teams just as many championships as Sprewell did. I don't think players all have to be do-gooders. But they can't be crazy-assed, distractive troublemakers all the time, either.

Great post. Here is a yahoo article on Cousins that backs up GSH's post: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-demarcus_cousins_kings_010112

[DarkGinobili]

Maybe none of you really followed him, or what went on in Sac last year. While they were trying to negotiate his rookie contract, he was such a crazy bastard that there were rumors that they might actually renounce him. They got the contract signed, and then had to hire his high school coach as a babysitter, in the hope that he would at least have a little influence over him. (Maybe there have been other coaches who jumped straight from high school to being an assistant in the NBA, but I never heard about it.) One of the Kings' staff got into trouble for saying that the "kid has a screw loose" - but everyone else was thinking the same thing.

From the moment he arrived, he started making demands like he was LeBron. He ignored and insulted Paul Westphal, and the assistants, and was all but uncontrollable. He showed up for camp at almost 300 lbs., and pissed on the strength coach until the team finally fined him $5K, and threatened to suspend him for the first game of the season. He had screaming matches with coaches during practices, over their instructions. During the season, he started a fight with Donte Greene after a game that was so bad that he was refused a seat on the team plane afterward. Why? Because during the game, Greene inbounded the ball to another player, and Cousins thought he should have gotten it instead. That's a rookie... with one year of college ball under his belt.

This season he came into camp as the supposedly "new and improved" DeMarcus Cousins. All of that attitude shit was behind him, and he was going to be a good teammate and bring a championship to Sacramento. He couldn't even make it last two weeks - on the last day of camp he demanded to be traded. Seriously? Demanding a trade over something that happened in camp?

Of course, it shouldn't be any surprise that he's demanding a trade after one season in the league. After high school, he committed to one university. (Alabama?), then reneged. Then he signed a letter of intent with Memphis. Then reneged again, and went to Kentucky.

You guys can debate his talent all you want to. I think most people agree he's got skills. But there's no way he's coming to this team. Everyone knows about the time Latrell Sprewell choked P.J. Carlesimo. But the team didn't really publicize the time he got into a fight with Jerome Kersey, and came back to practice with a two by four, and threatened to bring a gun. (Or a bunch of other crazy-stupid shit.) Cousins is a lot like that. There's a lot more wrong with him than most people have read about on ESPN. And unless he gets his head fixed, he'll bring his teams just as many championships as Sprewell did. I don't think players all have to be do-gooders. But they can't be crazy-assed, distractive troublemakers all the time, either.

Good post, HE has lots of problems.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

by then he will command a 12 million dollar per year contract. if the spurs want a big man full of potential, they need to pick one up cheap. the attitude problem can easily be corrected on the spurs.

"Easily corrected"? I doubt it. He has a few hard lessons to learn before he'll listen to someone like Pop.


In other words you basically would want him for free.
I like these guys who would want a player but aren't willing to trade anyone worth anything.

Splitter for him would be a steal for the Spurs. He has far more upside potential than Splitter.

Yup, I'd basically want him for comparable contracts and a first round pick or something like that. Sure he has more upside than Splitter, but he also has the potential to completely disrupt the franchise. We've been carefully stockpiling nice young players to place around a lottery pick or big FA splash within two years (probably after this year when Tim retires), and I wouldn't be throwing away assets on gambles at this point.


He's the next coming....

Of Mike SuckmyWokandi!

Spurs fans thought Olowokandi was going to be a beast here should he come and I argued that was big hell naw, and well, the Spurs got rings once Wokandi bailed for Minnesota and did what? What did he do after he left the Clippers? What is he doing now?

That's the career path that Cousins is on right now. He ain't Spur material...He just ain't.

Very likely the case.


I don't want this cancer anywhere near my team. This is a guy who has gotten into MULTIPLE fights with teammates. Fuck. No.

Indeed.

Cousins puts the C in "cancer". He is not a Spur. But if it cost us little to gamble on him I'd do it, then he's easy to let go. Trading up-and-comers like Grizz, Splitter, or Leonard for him would be the kind of mismanagement we've all chided the FO for in the past. Nope, stay the course for mine - I like the way some of these kids are developing!

[Giuseppe]

Spurs value character =

Neal & that guy who drove face ass down drunk withstanding.

[The_Worlds_finest]

Neal & that guy who drove face ass down drunk withstanding.

Just how fucking pathetic are you?

[Giuseppe]

Just how fucking pathetic are you?

Just checking, daddy.

[Mal]

Dont give up big 3, Thiago, JA, Neal, Blair, Leonard. Only deal with picks and RJ for SF and Cousins.

[ChuckD]

He's the next coming....



Of Mike SuckmyWokandi!

Spurs fans thought Olowokandi was going to be a beast here should he come and I argued that was big hell naw, and well, the Spurs got rings once Wokandi bailed for Minnesota and did what? What did he do after he left the Clippers? What is he doing now?

That's the career path that Cousins is on right now. He ain't Spur material...He just ain't.

He's actually much worse than Kandi man. He combines that laziness and lack of work ethic with a malignant personality. Kandi just seemed like a goof.

DC won't "get it" until it costs him big money in FA.

[rascal]

You guys can debate his talent all you want to. I think most people agree he's got skills. But there's no way he's coming to this team. Everyone knows about the time Latrell Sprewell choked P.J. Carlesimo. But the team didn't really publicize the time he got into a fight with Jerome Kersey, and came back to practice with a two by four, and threatened to bring a gun. (Or a bunch of other crazy-stupid shit.) Cousins is a lot like that. There's a lot more wrong with him than most people have read about on ESPN. And unless he gets his head fixed, he'll bring his teams just as many championships as Sprewell did. I don't think players all have to be do-gooders. But they can't be crazy-assed, distractive troublemakers all the time, either.

Sprewell was a bad example. Sprewell was a missed opportunity for the Spurs. Sprewell came back to have great years and even got the Knicks into the finals in 1999. He would have been great on the Spurs instead of what the Spurs were running out in the backcourt at the time.
Sprewell would have been important in trying to prevent the lakers from their 3 peat.

[ChuckD]

Sprewell was a bad example. Sprewell was a missed opportunity for the Spurs. Sprewell came back to have great years and even got the Knicks into the finals in 1999. He would have been great on the Spurs instead of what the Spurs were running out in the backcourt at the time.
Sprewell would have been important in trying to prevent the lakers from their 3 peat.

Sprewell would have kept Manu in Italy.

By all accounts, Spree's "PJ choke" was a one time incident. DC has repeated issues with coaches AND teammates. I sometimes think that if he just got his ass kicked once, a real beat down, he might straighten out. He's the basketball equivalent of a Pageant Princess, spoiled and touted his whole life.

[YODA]

Interesting to hear thew fact on this kid. The theme in most of these posts show that they think it would take alot to get this guy. When a guy demands a trade and is sitting out games, it doesnt give much leverage for the kings to demand much. With that being said, I dont think it would take much to get this guy.

Character wise, this guy sounds like he thinks he is intitled to everything. Pop in his face would work on a kid like this, but if this kid has a few loose marbles like many think, then no kind of Pop screaming would ever work on him. Seems like it could be a low risk high reward situation, because we know Pop and the Team wouldnt mess around long with an idiot.

People forget fast about having people like Rodman and Strickland here. Pop did a good job on these nut cases IMO. Im sure there are a few we dont even know about.

[Mel_13]

People forget fast about having people like Rodman and Strickland here. Pop did a good job on these nut cases IMO. Im sure there are a few we dont even know about.

Pop was an assistant under Larry Brown when Strickland played for the Spurs. Brown and Pop were fired during Strickland's last season in San Antonio. Pop never coached Rodman, but he did trade him away after he was brought back to the Spurs as GM.

[Mel_13]

And I believe the Maloofs will fire Westphal before they trade Cousins.

[Old School 44]

No way the Spurs go after Cousins.
If somehow the Spurs did get him, can you imagine what would happen the first time Pop pulled him from the line up in favor of Bonner?

[lmbebo]

By all accounts, Kings want to keep him and will get rid of Westphal.

[Mel_13]

Kings say they won’t trade Cousins

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiHopTpK8wKn61FBXpXEPbG8vLYF?slug=ys-demarcus_cousins_kings_010112

[Old School 44]

^ To maintain any value that's what they have to say.

[Mel_13]

^ To maintain any value that's what they have to say.

It also makes perfect sense. They've got a young player with tremendous talent with three years remaining on a cheap rookie contract. On the other side, they have a coach in the last year of his contract who has won less than one third of his games in Sacramento.

They're also in a rather unique position where they don't have to care very much about winning this season. Sacramento has to come up with a new arena or the Kings are going to move to Anaheim.

The Maloofs will discard Westphal and try a different approach with Cousins before they seriously contemplate a trade.

[Kori Ellis]

I believe they'll definitely get rid of Westphal before Cousins. There will eventually be a breaking point for the team when he won't be worth the trouble -- it's probably not yet though. By all accounts, no one has been able to deal with Cousins at all so far. He's fought with a variety of players, Westphal over and and over, and even with Mario Elie. I don't know if it would be different with any coach. It seems like he just needs to grow up -- no one can force that.

[ChuckD]

It also makes perfect sense. They've got a young player with tremendous talent with three years remaining on a cheap rookie contract. On the other side, they have a coach in the last year of his contract who has won less than one third of his games in Sacramento.

They're also in a rather unique position where they don't have to care very much about winning this season. Sacramento has to come up with a new arena or the Kings are going to move to Anaheim.

The Maloofs will discard Westphal and try a different approach with Cousins before they seriously contemplate a trade.

Probably what they'll do, and it will not work in the long run. DC will just think he can get rid of coaches at will. :lol

[Mel_13]

Probably what they'll do, and it will not work in the long run. DC will just think he can get rid of coaches at will. :lol

Probably so.

[rascal]

Sprewell would have kept Manu in Italy.



How do you figure? Manu's first season with the Spurs was 2002-2003.

[Mel_13]

How do you figure? Manu's first season with the Spurs was 2002-2003.

You are aware of the deal the Knicks gave him after the 99 Finals? If you're going to live in a fantasy where he would have helped the Spurs prevent the Laker threepeat, you also have to assume that the Spurs would have paid the price to keep him.

[Brazil]

I believe they'll definitely get rid of Westphal before Cousins. There will eventually be a breaking point for the team when he won't be worth the trouble -- it's probably not yet though. By all accounts, no one has been able to deal with Cousins at all so far. He's fought with a variety of players, Westphal over and and over, and even with Mario Elie. I don't know if it would be different with any coach. It seems like he just needs to grow up -- no one can force that.

IMHO this dude will never grow up and act like a pro. To grow up you need to have some fundamentals, he has no.

[Giuseppe]

No way the Spurs go after Cousins.
If somehow the Spurs did get him, can you imagine what would happen the first time Pop pulled him from the line up in favor of Bonner?

They'd make Horry do Pop's dirty work like against the Suns that time?

[rascal]

You are aware of the deal the Knicks gave him after the 99 Finals? If you're going to live in a fantasy where he would have helped the Spurs prevent the Laker threepeat, you also have to assume that the Spurs would have paid the price to keep him.

You pay that price to add him to the frontline of Robinson/Duncan.
The spurs had considered Sprewell then were scared off.

[Cane]

The Spurs were interested in a fat and done Rasheed Wallace before they had to settle on Antonio McDyess (thank the basketball gods for that btw), so I think the Spurs would take Cousins in, if the price was right. Then again, Cousins is a much bigger headcase than Sheed ever was. It also means less touches for Blair and Splitter, Blair's game just didn't seem the same after he got benched and had fewer opportunities last season

[TDMVPDPOY]

You pay that price to add him to the frontline of Robinson/Duncan.
The spurs had considered Sprewell then were scared off.

i believe they wanted sprewell, but the problem was we had PJ Carlesimo on coachin bench...

[ElNono]

Neal & that guy who drove face ass down drunk withstanding.

They were mistakes(:cry).... like you, tbh

[Mel_13]

You pay that price to add him to the frontline of Robinson/Duncan.
The spurs had considered Sprewell then were scared off.

Not trading for Sprewell was an excellent decision in both basketball and financial terms.

[Mel_13]

i believe they wanted sprewell, but the problem was we had PJ Carlesimo on coachin bench...

PJ didn't join the Spurs until 2002.

[DAF86]

Cousins for Bonner works straight up. If only...

[Giuseppe]

They were mistakes(:cry)

My ass.

Cry me a river.

[urunobili]

They'd make Horry do Pop's dirty work like against the Suns that time?

Money. The Spurs need a bad boy to do the enforcer job for them in the playoffs...

Who did that in 03 and 05? I wonder... :rolleyes

[Old School 44]

I believe they'll definitely get rid of Westphal before Cousins. There will eventually be a breaking point for the team when he won't be worth the trouble -- it's probably not yet though. By all accounts, no one has been able to deal with Cousins at all so far. He's fought with a variety of players, Westphal over and and over, and even with Mario Elie. I don't know if it would be different with any coach. It seems like he just needs to grow up -- no one can force that.

I agree, but it won't be because of Cousins. Westphal's just not that good of a coach. I think for Cousins to be successful, he probably needs to be with a respected coach, like Pop, Phil Jackson and/or with a team with a core of veterans like the Spurs or the Celtics.

[dbestpro]

See Eddie Curry.

[txstr1986]

tbh, I have a feeling Kings are going to want to package him with "The Microwave" Thornton, who's due $32 million for the next 4 seasons and a blackhole.

I just don't think they're going to let him walk for the equivalent of $4.5m...

I heard that they were trying to package him with John Salmons.

With that being said, I would love to have his talent on the team, depending upon the price. This is basically a "best offer" situation - Sacramento will trade Cousins to the team that offers them the best deal (no matter how piss poor that offer is). I know that Houston is interested in Cousins, as are several other teams, so we'll just have to see.

That being said, I haven't heard any rumors that the Spurs are interested, so it's all just probably conjecture anyway.

[G-Dawgg]

Maybe Sacto could work out a deal with Orlando for Dwight

[ChuckD]

I heard that they were trying to package him with John Salmons.

With that being said, I would love to have his talent on the team, depending upon the price. This is basically a "best offer" situation - Sacramento will trade Cousins to the team that offers them the best deal (no matter how piss poor that offer is). I know that Houston is interested in Cousins, as are several other teams, so we'll just have to see.

That being said, I haven't heard any rumors that the Spurs are interested, so it's all just probably conjecture anyway.

...or wishful jerking off by forum posters.

DC likely won't be traded this season at all. Their best market for a questionable malcontent will be next summer, when there will be many spurned suitors from the FA market.

[Muser]

Bonner and a pick. Nothing more.

[Spurtacus]

We have nothing to offer in trade.

I'd rather see Varejao.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Varejao, though I think he'd make a great Spur, provides similar skills to Splitter - we don't need two guys who are the same.


Money. The Spurs need a bad boy to do the enforcer job for them in the playoffs...

Who did that in 03 and 05? I wonder... :rolleyes

You mean 05 and 07 - Horry was a Faker in 03. Jax and Kevin Willis (the original T-Rex!) were our tough guys that year, and they were awesome at it! ;)

[DPG21920]

We could definitely use two guys who are the same IMO. Especially if it's Splitter we are replicating.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

We could definitely use two guys who are the same IMO. Especially if it's Splitter we are replicating.

I think we need a big who can score a bit, with a reliable post game and 15fter (as well as being a decent defender), to take over from Tim after he retires (I'm becoming increasingly sure it will happen after this season). I don't think Splitter is ever going to be that. He might score 10-12ppg, but he'll never be a scorer. Varejao is much the same.

Now if Grizz continues to develop as a post beast (ala Elton Brand years ago), and especially if he develops some reliable range (unlikely), two Splitters would be great!

Isn't the point moot anyway? I haven't read that CLE are trying to shift Anderson.

[Mr. Body]

Calipari meanwhile checks on how much dirt investigators have on him, to see if it's time to jump to the NBA yet or not.

[TDMVPDPOY]

either you trade for cousins and tank for a future possibility cousins/drummond frontline

or trade his ass to move up in the draft

[GSH]

This from NBA dotcom. The quote is Paul Westphal:

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"Everything that happens on a team does not become known to the public. This is how it should be. However, when a player continually, aggressively, lets it be known that he is unwilling/unable to embrace traveling in the same direction as his team, it cannot be ignored indefinitely."

Translation: Cousins' difficult transition to the NBA is much worse than what's been reported.

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Some team will be willing to take a chance on him, and will overpay Sac in prospects and picks. But it won't be the Spurs. "Taking a chance" on Cousins is like betting double zero on a roulette wheel. It's a sucker bet.

[dunkman]

The Spurs just have to add talent through draft. This season the pick will be higher then usual. If they trade for Cousins, he won't be playing until next season anyway.

[TDMVPDPOY]

The Spurs just have to add talent through draft. This season the pick will be higher then usual. If they trade for Cousins, he won't be playing until next season anyway.

takes 2 years to know t he spurs system, might as well get him now and tank and be ready for the next season with drummond next to him, duncan and splitter off the bench...

[ChuckD]

Hill played as a rookie. Anderson played as a rookie until hurt. Neal played as a rookie. Kawhi is playing as a rookie.

[dunkman]

Hill played as a rookie. Anderson played as a rookie until hurt. Neal played as a rookie. Kawhi is playing as a rookie.

When the Pistons traded Darko, they got a mid draft pick for him. He was crazy, but not that much as Cousins and seemed less talented. I think the Pistons selected Stuckey with the pick.

Neal wasn't a true rookie, he was an established pro in Europe, as Manu. Hill didn't play in the playoffs as a rookie until the Spurs lost the series with Dallas, the same happened with Splitter, who missed the pre-season, and other bigs that arrived mid-season (Thomas and Gooden). Typically, new bigs get less chance to play in the Spurs system, due to the defensive rotations.

I think that Cousins wouldn't see playtime in the playoffs, if the Spurs make it there without Ginobili. If the case of Darko is indicative, the price would be a pick, plus another player to make things work, could be Bonner.

Bonner doesn't shot consistently in the playoffs, but he doesn't make rookie mistakes either. And the pick, even if not lottery, where if there are not chances to get an athletc bigman, could be used for a good PG or SG, and later trade Parker or Manu for an all-star big.

[Giuseppe]

Neal wasn't a true rookie, he was an established pro in Europe

Like Roman Polanski.

[my2sons]

why not....people want to blow this team up, manu is injured...if trade flops better draft position and if pop can pick this kids brain, could anchor team for years to come

[Mel_13]

And I believe the Maloofs will fire Westphal before they trade Cousins.

The Kings have sent out a new release that they have fired coach Paul Westphal.

The message is clear: After a year-long battle between Westphal and DeMarcus Cousins, there is no question who won.

http://twitter.com/KBergCBS

[timvp]

:lol Good luck ever controlling Cousins again, Sactown.

[lefty]

We should trade for COusins


That way, we'll get rid of Pop


:elephant

[jjktkk]

We should trade for COusins


That way, we'll get rid of Pop


:elephant

Ahh, I get it, then Cousins could be a player/coach, like back in the day.

[smrattler]

No way, we have Danny Green! Everything will be fine now!

[20beastie45]

I'd rather try for Jones III from Baylor. He's going to be a good player.

[GSH]

The Kings have sent out a new release that they have fired coach Paul Westphal.

The message is clear: After a year-long battle between Westphal and DeMarcus Cousins, there is no question who won.

http://twitter.com/KBergCBS



The Kings thought they were going to hire Larry Brown to replace Westphal. Why? Becuase of Brown's reputation for being the only coach to ever remotely handle Allen Iverson - another perennial problem child. I understand that Brown didn't want any part of DeMarcus Cousins, and wouldn't even discuss it with them.

So instead they made Keith Smart their new head coach, whose previous head coaching experience includes going 9-31 with Cleveland (interim), and 36-46 with Golden State. Why? Because they know that no good coach is going to step into a situation where the tail wags the dog.

They're goin' off the rails, on a crazy train.

[ChuckD]

They just need to roll into this summer, and some spurned FA suitor will take him off their hands for a good price, and they can re-tool and hire a new legit coach.

[underdawg]

The situation in Sacramento with DeMarcus Cousins has been festering for more than a year, and it's clear the Kings are at their wit's end as far as how to rein in the talented but virtually uncoachable sophomore. It's no surprise to one front office executive who advised his staff and coaches that in the event Cousins were still on the board when they picked in 2010, they should run far and fast and not look back. "I told my coaches, 'You guys can't handle dealing with him. He'll kill you,'" the executive said. "'Trust me, 30 days into the season you'll give up on him and it'll be on our back.'" Sure enough, that's exactly what happened in Sacramento last season, and with a young roster with no established veteran to put Cousins in check, the situation has gotten worse. CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/16737029/postups-how-will-the-howard-saga-end)

[wildbill2u]

And I believe the Maloofs will fire Westphal before they trade Cousins.

That was prophetic. Westphal is gone. Easier to fire a coach than a talent when they are on a collision course.

This is probably a signal from the Maloofs that they will keep Cousins and try to correct his destructive impulses with some coddling.

Good luck with that strategy. :bang