Bachmann drops out

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/04/politics/bachmann-campaign/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

:lmao another retarded bible thumping house wife bites the dust!

[CosmicCowboy]

no surprise there...

[boutons_deux]

sniff sniff

go home and be subservient to that gay-hating hubby.

[baseline bum]

What a dickhead god was to lead her on like that only to tell to drop out at the last minute.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What a dickhead god was to lead her on like that only to tell to drop out at the last minute.
:lmao

[JoeChalupa]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188983

She'll be on a book tour in no time.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188983

She'll be on a book tour in no time.
Or VP pick.

[ChumpDumper]

Or VP pick.:lol

[Wild Cobra]

:lol
Why not. Palin was picked last time...

[ChumpDumper]

Why not. Palin was picked last time...You answered your own question.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I imagine WC can't wait to vote for Bachmann

[JoeChalupa]

I'm curious to see if she'll run for re-election to Congress.

[CosmicCowboy]

Why not. Palin was picked last time...

No fucking way Bachmann is even considered for VP...

[Oh, Gee!!]

the tea party is not gonna have its way with the GOP this go around. no chance Bachmann sniffs a VP nod

[Wild Cobra]

I imagine WC can't wait to vote for Bachmann
Almost correct.

I can't wait to vote against Obama.

[Blake]

Almost correct.

I can't wait to vote against Obama.

Scary that there are probably many voters like you that feel anyone that the gop rolls with is automatically better than Obama.

[Wild Cobra]

Scary that there are probably many voters like you that feel anyone that the gop rolls with is automatically better than Obama.
Isn't it the truth? That's how I see it. Anybody is better except maybe Gingrich. Gingrich is as unprincipled and unethical, but of a near 180 degrees.

[ElNono]

Isn't it the truth?

There's rarely such thing when opinion is involved...

[Blake]

The truth is that voters like WC scare me.

[Blake]

....you can also throw angel_luv in that group of voters that scare me

[Wild Cobra]

Scare you? Why? There are more of us than you know, and this (anti)progressive politics only does our nation harm.

The people who scare me are the 47%.

[ElNono]

Scare you? Why? There are more of us than you know

How many?

[ChumpDumper]

What percentage of voters stalk people via satellite?

[Blake]

Scare you? Why?

Predetermined voters and staunch partisan hacks scare the shit out of me.


There are more of us than you know.

One Wild Cobra is scary enough as is........the thought of multiple WCs is boot shakingly terrifying.

[Bill_Brasky]

.....and nothing of value was lost.

[CosmicCowboy]

Predetermined voters and staunch partisan hacks scare the shit out of me.



One Wild Cobra is scary enough as is........the thought of multiple WCs is boot shakingly terrifying.

You can call it whatever you want, but I can't see Obama doing anything in the next ten months that would possibly make me change my mind and vote for him.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Scare you? Why? There are more of us than you know.
That's the scary part. There are literally millions of people as retarded as you are.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Scare you? Why? There are more of us than you know.

this literally made the hair on the back of my neck stand up....

[CosmicCowboy]

this literally made the hair on the back of my neck stand up....

There really are a ton of people that don't approve of Obama's job performance and it's got NOTHING to do with the fact that he is black.

[Blake]

You can call it whatever you want, but I can't see Obama doing anything in the next ten months that would possibly make me change my mind and vote for him.

So if Rick Perry somehow comes out of this mess in the primaries on top, you would vote for him over Obama?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There really are a ton of people that don't approve of Obama's job performance and it's got NOTHING to do with the fact that he is black.
I don't approve of the job Obama is doing. What scares me is the amount of people who think Rick Santorum would be a better president.

[Blake]

There really are a ton of people that don't approve of Obama's job performance and it's got NOTHING to do with the fact that he is black.

Lolwtf

[CosmicCowboy]

Lolwtf

Just beating you to the punch before you accused me of being a racist for not approving of him.

[ChasingWithBible]

:madrun This is bullshit!! :madrun

[DeadlyDynasty]

:rollin

[Wild Cobra]

Just beating you to the punch before you accused me of being a racist for not approving of him.
And I'll say it. If he was white, he would have lost. He was elected for racial reasons as well.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao no. He lost because W's approval rating was at like 29% and it was easy to associate McCain with George Bush. It would have taken a miracle for the GOP to win in 2008.

[CosmicCowboy]

So if Rick Perry somehow comes out of this mess in the primaries on top, you would vote for him over Obama?

I would probably vote for any "smaller government" candidate over Obama. I'm not worried about their primary pandering to the right, because there is no way they could ever get that moral/social agenda passed. As for the question about Perry...as governor is a scary conservative running in the primary, a moderate in the general election, and pragmatist as governor.

[ElNono]

:madrun This is bullshit!! :madrun

:lol

[ElNono]

I would probably vote for any "smaller government" candidate over Obama.

Who is that?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Nothing says "small government" like victims of rape being forced by the government to have a kid

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao no. He lost because W's approval rating was at like 29% and it was easy to associate McCain with George Bush. It would have taken a miracle for the GOP to win in 2008.

The vote was 52.9% to 45.7%. Blacks turned out in probably double the numbers they normally do and was so close to 100% voting for Obama, it was ridiculously racial.

I'm pretty sure the outcome would have been different if Obama was white, especially when you include the whites who also wanted to see history made.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Whites who "wanted to see history made" with a black president are people who'd vote democrat anyway.

Please link me a source regarding your conjecture that "double" the amount of black people showed up and voted.

[Spurminator]

The vote was 52.9% to 45.7%. Blacks turned out in probably double the numbers they normally do and was so close to 100% voting for Obama, it was ridiculously racial.

I'm pretty sure the outcome would have been different if Obama was white, especially when you include the whites who also wanted to see history made.

Presidential elections are not won by popular vote. In which states did the increased black vote make the difference for Obama?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

And there were plenty of dumb rednecks out there who normally don't vote but voted in 2008 because the dreaded the reality of a black president. It's retarded to act like being black didn't cost Obama any votes either.

[CosmicCowboy]

Nothing says "small government" like victims of rape being forced by the government to have a kid

Like I said, they don't have a chance in hell of overturning roe vs.wade and I personally wish they would just shut the fuck up and accept it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The vote was 52.9% to 45.7%. Blacks turned out in probably double the numbers they normally do and was so close to 100% voting for Obama, it was ridiculously racial.

I'm pretty sure the outcome would have been different if Obama was white, especially when you include the whites who also wanted to see history made.

It never ceases to amaze me how people like you assign motives to an entire voting bloc..

[CosmicCowboy]

Who is that?

Oh, I think just about any candidate on the republican side is less of a proponent of "more government is the answer" than Obama is.

[Blake]

Just beating you to the punch before you accused me of being a racist for not approving of him.

I accuse you of being a strawist

[CosmicCowboy]

I accuse you of being a strawist

Fortunately, I don't really give a fuck what the forums intellectual midgets think.

[Blake]

As for the question about Perry...as governor is a scary conservative running in the primary, a moderate in the general election, and pragmatist as governor.

lolwtfwut....?

Are you drunk?

[ElNono]

Oh, I think just about any candidate on the republican side is less of a proponent of "more government is the answer" than Obama is.

What gives you that impression? I mean, Ron Paul I can see... but the rest are as status quo as they come, IMO.

[Wild Cobra's Surgeon]

The vote was 52.9% to 45.7%. Blacks turned out in probably double the numbers they normally do and was so close to 100% voting for Obama, it was ridiculously racial.

I'm pretty sure the outcome would have been different if Obama was white, especially when you include the whites who also wanted to see history made.

Hmmm...the Lithium doesn't seem to be working like it used to. Come by the office early tomorrow and i'll start you on a generous loading dose of Thorazine.

[ElNono]

Whites who "wanted to see history made" with a black president are people who'd vote democrat anyway.

Please link me a source regarding your conjecture that "double" the amount of black people showed up and voted.

He pulled it out of his ass... One could just as easily make the claim that hispanics hate blacks and would've turned out en masse to vote against Barry.

And hispanics (16%) are a bigger portion of the US population than blacks (12%).

[Blake]

Fortunately, I don't really give a fuck what the forums intellectual midgets think.

I do for entertainment purposes.

Thanks for your entertaining response to my simple question.

[CosmicCowboy]

What gives you that impression? I mean, Ron Paul I can see... but the rest are as status quo as they come, IMO.

Well, the fact that they are universally against the bastardized nationalized health care plan that got passed, for starters...

[Wild Cobra]

Whites who "wanted to see history made" with a black president are people who'd vote democrat anyway.
Probably the same types, but they had more motive to actually vote than in previous elections.

Please link me a source regarding your conjecture that "double" the amount of black people showed up and voted.

First of all, I said "probably double" which is cleanly an opinion. I think the facts of complaints of their not being enough voting machines in black neighborhoods is proof enough, since they are allocated by past voting history.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I laugh at the thought that the GOP represents small government. Starting as many wars as possible and keeping drugs outlawed for no reason isn't exactly small government.

[ElNono]

Well, the fact that they are universally against the bastardized nationalized health care plan that got passed, for starters...

You mean they say they're universally against it. Well, I'm not even sure Romney even fits that criteria, tbh.

Somehow I get the feeling that didn't stop you from re-electing Bush Jr after they passed Medicare Part D...

[ElNono]

First of all, I said "probably double" which is cleanly an opinion. I think the facts of complaints of their not being enough voting machines in black neighborhoods is proof enough, since they are allocated by past voting history.

50% of the black population doesn't have enough numbers to make a 20% swing, which is what you need to win the election.

So you can (reluctantly) scratch that one off your list.

[clambake]

cowboy playing the "i'm not a racist" race card. lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

First of all, I said "probably double"
So it was mere conjecture and was not based off any facts or data.

Glad we cleared that up.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Hmmm...the Lithium doesn't seem to be working like it used to. Come by the office early tomorrow and i'll start you on a generous loading dose of Thorazine.
:lmao

[Blake]

cowboy playing the "i'm not a racist" race card. lol

Rofl because he played it before anyone else sat down at the table to play

[ChumpDumper]

cowboy playing the "i'm not a racist" race card. lol


Rofl because he played it before anyone else sat down at the table to playI propose a few forum members make it part of their respective sigs.

[spursncowboys]

Or VP pick.
Bingo. For her to get out so soon.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol the Bachmann lovers delusional enough to think any sane candidate would pick that wacko cunt as the VP

your shitty bible thumping house wife is about to be as irrelevant as your previous bible thumping house wife is now

[CosmicCowboy]

I propose a few forum members make it part of their respective sigs.

Go for it.

I defy you to ever find a racist quote from me...

[Blake]

Go for it.

I defy you to ever find a racist quote from me...

It would be like searching for a needle in a strawstack.

[ElNono]

The big problem is that your average republican these days preach "down with socialism! (but save medicare, social security, etc)".

Basically, they want the socialism, they just don't want it called that.

[Bill_Brasky]

Nothing says "small government" like victims of rape being forced by the government to have a kid

Or thinking that we should be telling people who they can marry.

Or wanting to ban pornography(Santorum).

The guy's aversion to human sexuality is downright creepy. I give it 6 months till he's caught blowing some dude at a rest stop.

[Wild Cobra]

50% of the black population doesn't have enough numbers to make a 20% swing, which is what you need to win the election.

So you can (reluctantly) scratch that one off your list.

There was only a 7.2% difference in the popular vote. A 3.6% swing would be an effective tie.

[Wild Cobra]

The big problem is that your average republican these days preach "down with socialism! (but save medicare, social security, etc)".

Basically, they want the socialism, they just don't want it called that.
No...

I see a distinct difference between caring for our elderly and handicapped vs. welfare for able bodied people.

[Wild Cobra]

So it was mere conjecture and was not based off any facts or data.

Glad we cleared that up.
Correct. I see your comprehension of the English language is starting to improve.

[spursncowboys]

I think regardless of if she was convinced, or if she came to the decision herself, she decided that America didn't need another McCain candidate where the conservative vote was split with Huckster and Mitt.

[ChumpDumper]

I defy you to ever find a racist quote from me...That's as good a sig as any.

[ElNono]

There was only a 7.2% difference in the popular vote. A 3.6% swing would be an effective tie.

Popular vote doesn't win elections. Heck, we already had a president that lost the popular vote and won the election.

Back to the drawing board for you.

[ElNono]

No...

I see a distinct difference between caring for our elderly and handicapped vs. welfare for able bodied people.

It's still welfare, whatever color you want to paint it.

[Wild Cobra]

It's still welfare, whatever color you want to paint it.
So?

Do you understand the difference or not?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Quite frankly the amount of tax payer money this country uses to keep people in their 80s alive at the expense of education for people 20 years and younger who actually have something to contribute to society is appalling.

[Trainwreck2100]

Quite frankly the amount of tax payer money this country uses to keep people in their 80s alive at the expense of education for people 20 years and younger who actually have something to contribute to society is appalling.

it wouldn't be that bad if our healthcare system wasn't completely fucked

[Agloco]

Quite frankly the amount of tax payer money this country uses to keep people in their 80s alive at the expense of education for people 20 years and younger who actually have something to contribute to society is appalling.

What's your solution youngster?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What's your solution youngster?
let useless old people die

[boutons_deux]

Bachmann claims she is not a politician

“I am a very real person, I am not a politician,” she said during a speech to her supporters. “Nor do I ever hope or aspire to be a politician.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/04/bachmann-claims-she-is-not-a-politician/

[Wild Cobra]

let useless old people die
Will you feel that way in your later years? Have you told your grandparents that?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Will you feel that way in your later years?
Watching someone who incessantly whines about welfare and big government continuously argue that tax dollars should go towards healthcare of people who were irresponsible and didn't save up enough to take care of themselves if really hilarious tbh.

But to answer your question, I plan on proper diet and exercise most of my life, along with saving up a lot of money before I retire. If my health deteriorates to a certain point I'd much rather die then live out the rest of my days miserably.

[Magua]

Almost all senior citizens 75 years or older (especially ones in nursing homes) are on some kind of anti-depressant, be it Lexapro, Effexor, Celexa, or something else. They realize they've become nothing more than piss and shit factories and really dont want to be alive anyways

[BUMP]

:rollin

[Wild Cobra]

Watching someone who incessantly whines about welfare and big government continuously argue that tax dollars should go towards healthcare of people who were irresponsible and didn't save up enough to take care of themselves if really hilarious tbh.

Apparently you only see things in black and white. Maybe you should think about the differences, and how I have already explained what I feel are valid exceptions.

Besides the shades of gray, maybe you should upgrade to color as well. Nice HD TV's are coming down in price you know.


But to answer your question, I plan on proper diet and exercise most of my life, along with saving up a lot of money before I retire. If my health deteriorates to a certain point I'd much rather die then live out the rest of my days miserably.

What about the handicapped? Just let them die? What about the elderly who did plan, but already liquidated their assets as required for some benefits? Shouldn't we at least allow for a more comfortable living or our seniors last years with us?

Now i would draw the line at expensive life extending procedures and drugs. This is for people who can afford them. Not for the tax payers to pay. Still, easing a person's transition into the next realm I think is the proper thing to do.
[QUOTE=DoK]

[Wild Cobra]

Almost all senior citizens 75 years or older (especially ones in nursing homes) are on some kind of anti-depressant, be it Lexapro, Effexor, Celexa, or something else. They realize they've become nothing more than piss and shit factories and really dont want to be alive anyways
That's why we have living wills. Oregon has assisted suicide. This gets complicated here though. My personal view is different than others, but shouldn't we consider the person's wishes? Some people are afraid to die, and takes a long time for them to accept it. Some never do.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Apparently you only see things in black and white. Maybe you should think about the differences, and how I have already explained what I feel are valid exceptions.

Besides the shades of gray, maybe you should upgrade to color as well. Nice HD TV's are coming down in price you know.
Great counter argument. As ElNono said, welfare is welfare, and socialism is socialism. Medicare is a form of both welfare and socialism. You support welfare and socialism in a way by supporting medicare.


What about the handicapped? Just let them die? What about the elderly who did plan, but already liquidated their assets as required for some benefits?
Going by Republican logic where you always blame the victim, it's their fault they didn't have more assets to liquidate.


Now i would draw the line at expensive life extending procedures and drugs. This is for people who can afford them. Not for the tax payers to pay. Still, easing a person's transition into the next realm I think is the proper thing to do.
If easing a person's transition is this issue, give them a nice, civilized assisted suicide when their healthcare gets too expensive. Some old cunt who's been smoking 2 packs a day her entire life and needs lung cancer treatment shouldn't be the taxpayer's responsibility.

[Wild Cobra]

Some old cunt who's been smoking 2 packs a day her entire life and needs lung cancer treatment shouldn't be the taxpayer's responsibility.
Agreed.

Something that pisses me off is seeing someone get a heart, liver, or lung transplant that are abusing themselves with drugs of some sort, when others who take care of themselves need them too. Isn't the better candidate the one who will likely not destroy the new ones like they did the ones that they originally had?

[Wild Cobra]

Great counter argument. As ElNono said, welfare is welfare, and socialism is socialism. Medicare is a form of both welfare and socialism. You support welfare and socialism in a way by supporting medicare.

There are few absolutes in life. Only an idiot only sees one extreme or another without seeing the vast area between, or allow merit based exceptions.

[ElNono]

Great counter argument. As ElNono said, welfare is welfare, and socialism is socialism. Medicare is a form of both welfare and socialism. You support welfare and socialism in a way by supporting medicare.

Thank you... lol don't want to call it socialism when I agree with it

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There are few absolutes in life. Only an idiot only sees one extreme or another without seeing the vast area between, or allow merit based exceptions.
There's nothing extreme. Medicare is a form of socialism. Do you think medicare isn't a form of socialism?

[ElNono]

There are few absolutes in life. Only an idiot only sees one extreme or another without seeing the vast area between, or allow merit based exceptions.

It's ok to simply state "I like socialism in certain areas"... nobody is going to jump at you or ask you to return your GOP member card

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Agreed.

Something that pisses me off is seeing someone get a heart, liver, or lung transplant that are abusing themselves with drugs of some sort, when others who take care of themselves need them too. Isn't the better candidate the one who will likely not destroy the new ones like they did the ones that they originally had?
That's why I support a universal healthcare system that's literally done on a case by case basis. Self inflicted health problems should mean they're on their own, health problems they couldn't avoid should be covered. Age itself though should not be grounds for complete government healthcare coverage.

[Wild Cobra]

There's nothing extreme. Medicare is a form of socialism. Do you think medicare isn't a form of socialism?
I never said it wasn't a form now, did I?

Just because I primarily take conservative and libertarian stances, doesn't mean i don't disagree with everything outside those defined bounds.

[Wild Cobra]

It's ok to simply state "I like socialism in certain areas"... nobody is going to jump at you or ask you to return your GOP member card
Bullshit.

you do it very often.

[Blake]

when have you ever said you like socialism in certain areas?

[ElNono]

Bullshit.

you do it very often.

:lol because you're full of shit.

You decry socialism! then proceed to justify socialism.

[Wild Cobra]

when have you ever said you like socialism in certain areas?
When it came to welfare, I have always had the position of helping the elderly and disabled. I never called it socialism, but I will not argue that it isn't. In limited cases, I will agree some socialism is OK. just not as a general practice. I will never say all conservative policies are right, and I will never say all libertarian policies are right.

[Wild Cobra]

:lol because you're full of shit.

You decry socialism! then proceed to justify socialism.
Case by case. Why are you so intent on painting people with your own prejudiced bias on them? I guess being the polarized partisan person you are, you cannot see acceptable variations.

[ElNono]

Case by case. Why are you so intent on painting people with your own prejudiced bias on them? I guess being the polarized partisan person you are, you cannot see acceptable variations.

I'm not painting anything. You're doing it to yourself. I'm far from the only person in here pointing out your hypocrisy...

[Wild Cobra]

I'm not painting anything. You're doing it to yourself. I'm far from the only person in here pointing out your hypocrisy...
That's a figment of your imagination. I have been consistent. Not hypocritical.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

socialism is teh devil :madrun (unless it helps old people who contribute nothing to society)

[ElNono]

That's a figment of your imagination. I have been consistent. Not hypocritical.

It's good that you at least agree I'm far from the only one pointing out your hypocrisy though...

[Wild Cobra]

It's good that you at least agree I'm far from the only one pointing out your hypocrisy though...
I'm curious. Why are you so obsessed with me, always making a thread about me?

I'd like to see you try to back up the hypocrisy, but start another thread. Not here. I'm sure you can get creative with the title.