Ohio landlord: "Reconsider ruling on 'white only' sign"

[Agloco]

Unbelievable....or rather sadly, quite believable.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/12/us/us-whites-only-pool/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1


The case was brought by Michael Gunn, a white man who said had unrestricted access to the pool area for himself and his guests during the nearly two years he lived in the duplex, he said in a December interview.

Gunn, a software engineer, said he and his girlfriend, who is also white, lived upstairs; their 31-year-old landlord lived downstairs. However, he said their relationship soured in May 2011 when he invited his 10-year-old biracial daughter to visit and swim in the pool.

"Complainant states that the owner, Jamie Hein, accused his daughter of making the pool 'cloudy' because she used chemicals in her hair," the commission said in its summary. "Days later, the owner posted a sign on the gate to the pool which read, 'Public Swimming Pool, White Only.'"

[Trainwreck2100]

private residence she should do whatever the fuck she wants

[JoeChalupa]

Saw this on the news this morning. Totally wrong. Sad really.

[CubanMustGo]

private residence she should do whatever the fuck she wantsSince the place is being rented out the Fair Housing Act probably comes into play.

[z0sa]

private residence

doesn't the whole "Public Swimming Pool" sign kind of... circumvent that?

[clambake]

you ever try to remove jerry curl?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I wonder who this guy voted for in 2008...

[Trainwreck2100]

Since the place is being rented out the Fair Housing Act probably comes into play.
except there was no denial of service, if his little half breed kid went into the pool and she kicked them out then sure. He left which was well within his rights, and he probably successfully argued for his deposit back, being the environment he felt the sign created

doesn't the whole "Public Swimming Pool" sign kind of... circumvent that?

no cause it's an antique sign, if i hang a old miller lite sign in a room that has alcohol that doesn't make it a bar.

[z0sa]

no cause it's an antique sign, if i hang a old miller lite sign in a room that has alcohol that doesn't make it a bar.

A miller lite sign that said "Open Bar to the Public" ??? And not in your room, on the outside where passersby can presumably see it.

[vy65]

Since the place is being rented out the Fair Housing Act probably comes into play.

The FHA doesn't apply - that's why the suit is based on the Ohio Civil Rights Act.

[Trainwreck2100]

A miller lite sign that said "Open Bar to the Public" ??? And not in your room, on the outside where passersby can presumably see it.


ok a sign on my private residence door that says open bar to the public dated 30 years ago and with a different city. Does not make my house a bar. And when i put decorations up at christmas that say "Santa stop here" that doesn't mean I expect Santa or anyone dressed as Santa to actually stop there.

[z0sa]

ok a sign on my private residence door that says open bar to the public dated 30 years ago and with a different city. Does not make my house a bar. And when i put decorations up at christmas that say "Santa stop here" that doesn't mean I expect Santa or anyone dressed as Santa to actually stop there.

as much as I see where you've gone with this, it doesn't change the fact that if you lived on a busy street downtown and hung that up, people would come in looking for drinks.

[Oh, Gee!!]

private residence she should do whatever the fuck she wants

no, a landlord cannot do whatever she wants on the property when it interferes with her tenants rights/privileges.

[Blake]

private residence she should do whatever the fuck she wants

Rofl

[Trainwreck2100]

no, a landlord cannot do whatever she wants on the property when it interferes with her tenants rights/privileges.

You are right especially in the story where she kicked the girl out of the pool. Bit that's not in the story cause it didn't happen. The Guy moved out.

[Oh, Gee!!]

You are right especially in the story where she kicked the girl out of the pool. Bit that's not in the story cause it didn't happen. The Guy moved out.


The landlord decided to restrict the use of the pool to white people only. Where do the non-white tenants swim? Where do tenants take their non-white guests to swim? She cannot restrict use and enjoyment of the facilities because the tenants have the right (through the lease presumably and common-law) to enjoy the common areas. It's a fairly new concept that's existed for several hundreds of years.

[Trainwreck2100]

The landlord decided to restrict the use of the pool to white people only. Where do the non-white tenants swim? Where do tenants take their non-white guests to swim? She cannot restrict use and enjoyment of the facilities because the tenants have the right (through the lease presumably and common-law) to enjoy the common areas. It's a fairly new concept that's existed for several hundreds of years.

so when did she restrict that when she posted a sign from the 1930's and stamped with a different city's name? The guy never actually swam with a minority in the pool after the sign was posted, he left. Had he tried to swim with his daughter and they said get the fuck out the pool then you'd be onto something.

[Oh, Gee!!]

so when did she restrict that when she posted a sign from the 1930's and stamped with a different city's name? The guy never actually swam with a minority in the pool after the sign was posted, he left. Had he tried to swim with his daughter and they said get the fuck out the pool then you'd be onto something.

you're a moron. not worth debating

[Trainwreck2100]

cause you have nothing to argue the landlord didn't break any laws cause the guy left, its that simple. I acknowledge that if she did kick his little kid out of the pool than of course she would be wrong. But as of now her version, collecting antiques is plausible, I'm not saying it's true, I'm saying it's plausible.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I guess the landlord's argument is that the sign is freedom of expression. It's art?

[Oh, Gee!!]

cause you have nothing to argue the landlord didn't break any laws cause the guy left, its that simple. I acknowledge that if she did kick his little kid out of the pool than of course she would be wrong. But as of now her version, collecting antiques is plausible, I'm not saying it's true, I'm saying it's plausible.

She was ruled against, so I'm thinking she did violate some law. If you wanna defend racists, go ahead. She told non-white tenants through her sign that they had less rights than the white tenants. She didn't have to physically kick out the girl at the time, she prevented all non-whites from entering the pool.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Trainwreck logic: the injured party can't sue because they left after being insulted and after the damage had already been done. He left, therefore no violation occurred.

[Trainwreck2100]

She was ruled against, so I'm thinking she did violate some law. If you wanna defend racists, go ahead. She told non-white tenants through her sign that they had less rights than the white tenants. She didn't have to physically kick out the girl at the time, she prevented all non-whites from entering the pool.

1)she has no nonwhite tenants
2)The guy didn't confront her about the issue he left
3)It's a sign, signs around pools say "no diving" and people dive in anyway, in no way did it restrict them from doing anything.
4)I gladly defend people's rights to do whatever the fuck they want to in their own place. The guy didn't like it, the guy moved without confronting the landlord about the sign. If he said "hey your sign is offensive can my daughter not swim in your pool" and she said "that is correct your daughter can't swim in my pool" Then I would be on that guys side. But as of now there is no recorded history of colored tenants being barred access to that pool.

[Trainwreck2100]

Trainwreck logic: the injured party can't sue because they left after being insulted and after the damage had already been done. He left, therefore no violation occurred.

what damage? He left so there would be no damage? But yes I'm a firm believer that damage has to occur in order for you to sue for damages.

[clambake]

he'd get lynched if he hung around.

get it......lynched......hung around?

[Oh, Gee!!]

1)she has no nonwhite tenants

I wonder why?


2)The guy didn't confront her about the issue he left

So? If someone violates a person's civil rights, they have be told "hey you hurt my feelings" before they can sue?


3)It's a sign, signs around pools say "no diving" and people dive in anyway, in no way did it restrict them from doing anything.

if it said "non-whites cannot dive," you'd have an analogy. The no diving signs are for liability issues and don't restrict activity/acceptance based on race. like I said, you're a moron.



4)I gladly defend people's rights to do whatever the fuck they want to in their own place.

It's the tenants' place to possess and use. That's how the landlord/tenant relationship works. the tenants pay to live there. She has certain obligations to them.


The guy didn't like it, the guy moved without confronting the landlord about the sign. If he said "hey your sign is offensive can my daughter not swim in your pool" and she said "that is correct your daughter can't swim in my pool" Then I would be on that guys side.

your opinion of how people should respond or how the law should operate is meaningless.


But as of now there is no recorded history of colored tenants being barred access to that pool.


1)she has no nonwhite tenants

[Oh, Gee!!]

what damage? He left so there would be no damage? But yes I'm a firm believer that damage has to occur in order for you to sue for damages.

the loss of use of the pool for himself and the guest(s) of his choosing is the damage. She didn't live up to her end of the landlord/tenant relationship. The moment the sign went up, his rights as a tenant were violated.

[Trainwreck2100]

I wonder why?

cause it's a duplex so there can only be one tenant

[z0sa]

cause it's a duplex so there can only be one tenant

Not true, which is a big part of why this was definitely racially motivated.

The landlord chooses to rent out the upstairs, but a duplex doesn't HAVE to have a landlord living down/upstairs.

The landlord didn't like non-whitey in the same pool as them. Their joke of an explanation hurts their case.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I would agree that one can do "almost anything" on her own private property, but she gives up that absolute right when she decides to lease it to tenants. At that point, the tenant has his own set of rights.

[Wild Cobra]

A question of curiosity.

How many black people don't put that funky jell in their hair these days?

Now I agree posting a "white only' sign was the wrong approach, and I agree the hair jell is a proper concern. The restriction should have indicated such.

[ElNono]

What's "hair jell"? If you mean "gel", I suppose you have no idea how many women (and some men) of every race use hair products...

[Blake]

Rofl jell

[Wild Cobra]

What's "hair jell"? If you mean "gel", I suppose you have no idea how many women (and some men) of every race use hair products...
LOL... Yes, gel.

Shit I never see the stuff in the bottle, can, or whatever, so excuse my spelling. Yes, other races use gel, and partially my point. The sign should have indicated that a person needed to clean their body of foreign lotions, gels, etc, that would come off in the water.

Now maybe this was the land lords way of applying his bigotry, but maybe he was just stupid in his wording. There are very few black people I see who do not use gel to soften their hair. The Afro is out, and other methods of keeping the hair under control gets rather spendy. I'll have to ask my current girlfriend. She has her hair treated and flat ironed.

[clambake]

better hurry and ask. she's paid by the hour.

[Wild Cobra]

better hurry and ask. she's paid by the hour.
Just can't stop being a low life with those cheap shots that you initiate now, can you.

Was that you with the small dick peeing on the dead Taliban?

[clambake]

wc thinking about dick lol

[clambake]

Just can't stop being a low life with those cheap shots that you initiate now, can you.

Was that you with the small dick peeing on the dead Taliban?

come out and tell us more lol

[ChumpDumper]

What is the proof the hair jelllllll clouded up the water?

And WC judged all the penis sizes on that video?

Damn.

[Wild Cobra]

I was looking for something with the gel stain on the couch in the movie "Coming to America."


doTln-HDFQo


http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/SoulGloStain.jpg

[ElNono]

better hurry and ask. she's paid by the hour.

:lol