Is Kobe Bryant the MVP as of now?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Sure looks like it.

Discuss.

[ElNono]

Lebron, IMO

[GoodOdor]

his team isn't good enough tbh.

[Spursfan092120]

smdh

[lefty]

Sure looks like it.

Discuss.
:lmao

Dumbfuck

[DeadlyDynasty]

Lebron, IMO

He should be 2nd. That's the role he prefers anyway, tbh

[Spur_Fanatic]

With his level of production, and if the Lakers get a decent record, yeah.

But I don't think he'll play this good in 20, 30 games.

[lefty]

He should be 2nd. That's the role he prefers anyway, tbh
:lol

Ok I admit, good one

[midnightpulp]

Any star two guard can put up these numbers in this league that sends perimeter players to the line for ticky tack bullshit while shooting 30+ shots a game.

Not really impressed.

Bernard King 1.5.

[ElNono]

He should be 2nd. That's the role he prefers anyway, tbh

Nah... Lebron #1

[DeadlyDynasty]

Any star two guard can put up these numbers in this league that sends perimeter players to the line for ticky tack bullshit while shooting 30+ shots a game.

Not really impressed.

Bernard King 1.5.

But not just any starter can do that with an arthritic finger, torn tendon in his shooting wrist, and a bad knee. What he's doing is truly inspirational.

[GoodOdor]

But not just any starter can do that with an arthritic finger, torn tendon in his shooting wrist, and a bad knee. What he's doing is truly inspirational.

:depressed:depressedwhat a warrior:depressed:depressed:depressed

[daslicer]

But not just any starter can do that with an arthritic finger, torn tendon in his shooting wrist, and a bad knee. What he's doing is truly inspirational.

:lol All these injuries are fake injuries they are as legit as injuries to a victim who has just been rear ended by a rich person in a car accident.

[Juggity]

What he's doing is truly inspirational.

What's really inspirational is the fact that he can take 30 shots per game, robbing teammates of easier, better looks just so he can pursue ever greater point totals, win or lose -- and his teammates tolerate the ensuing mediocrity.

[Bill_Brasky]

No.....Kobe is just stat padding like the Saints and will be exposed when it matters like the Saints.

[egtonecity]

Kobe makes good commercials but I hear it takes 24 tries to get 6 good ones

[lefty]

Kobe makes good commercials but I hear it takes 24 tries to get 6 good ones
:lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

Can you imagine how great Manu would be if he had even half the toughness and heart that Kobe had? He'd be a monster, but alas...he can't play through pain like Bean. Not many can though, not many can...

[ElNono]

Can you imagine how great Manu would be if he had even half the toughness and heart that Kobe had? He'd be a monster, but alas...he can't play through pain like Bean. Not many can though, not many can...

What happened? People didn't take the Kobe bait? :lol

[egtonecity]

Penny Hardaway in a suit > Derek Fisher

Make it happen Mitch

[pass1st]

Probably behind Rose, but considering that LALs win streak coincided with his 40pt streak, it's not a joke to say that he's the MVP at the moment. He has zero chance to win it this season, though.

[Bill_Brasky]

Can you imagine how great Manu would be if he had even half the toughness and heart that Kobe had? He'd be a monster, but alas...he can't play through pain like Bean. Not many can though, not many can...

Your timmytozo is showing.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Probably behind Rose, but considering that LALs win streak coincided with his 40pt streak, it's not a joke to say that he's the MVP at the moment. He has zero chance to win it this season, though.

Derrick Rose is a piece of shit.

[DJ Mbenga]

durant has it locked up. the only reason rose won it last year was his entire team was hurt. now its healthy.

[TheMACHINE]

If manu didnt bruise his hand, he'd be MVP

[DeadlyDynasty]

If manu didnt bruise his hand, he'd be MVP

:lol

tbh he just would've injured something else eventually.

Frailty thy name is Manu

[DMC]

Derrick Rose is a piece of shit.
I said last year that Rose was overrated.

[ChrisRichards]

Kobe's in the conversation but the Lakers record aint that great. With Wade's health issues around, Lebron can basically run the Heat like the Cavaliers again but this time with much better teammates. Lebron will have the better stats and record and the voters will credit Miami's success to Lebron despite of Wade's absence.


Also, Lebron's consistency and youth over Kobe are his biggest strength. Lebron can practically ball at this level all season while I expect Kobe to hit a wall quite soon. Kobe will eventually come down to earth and finish the season at 27ppg 45%.


I'm just not so sure if the media are ready to give Lebron another MVP. I think its either KD or Rose again this year.

[dunkman]

It's between LeBron and Kobe. Kobe has few more ppg, LeBron takes only around 20 shots / game, rebounds and assists way better, and plays elite defense. There are other candidates like Durant and Rose. It will depend on team success. Kudos to Kobe for keeping such level against prime competition. Another +40 ppg spree at 33 is something ridiculous.

[LakaFan]

Kool definitely owes DD head after this thread.

[LakaFan]

What's really inspirational is the fact that he can take 30 shots per game, robbing teammates of easier, better looks just so he can pursue ever greater point totals, win or lose -- and his teammates tolerate the ensuing mediocrity.

Had you actually watched the game instead of merely hoping for the worse for Kobe, you could see that nobody outside Kobe was taking advantage of better looks. Envy is such a bad human trait.

[baseline bum]

Was Jerry Stackhouse the MVP in 2001?

[Koolaid_Man]

Sure looks like it.

Discuss.

Man look-a-here....I don't wish that fucking curse of an award on Kobe...ask yourself when was the last time an MVP won the title...It's been almost 10 yrs...the fucking thing is a curse..mark may words the "MVP" almost always never win the title these days....:lol

[dbestpro]

Yes, Kobe is the MVP of the Lakers.

[Killakobe81]

Rose is a badass, and shoudl be the early favorite along with Lebron ...

But again, who cares? If Kobe wins it wont change the haterz or the Kobe fanbois minds about his status in the game ...but winning another title without shaq and one without PJ would be pretty amazing.

Doubt either happens this year though ..

[DPG21920]

Why do Kobe fanbois come into threads like this and ask "who cares"? It's just one thread on the topic and why do they always try and knock MVP awards and say "who cares anyways?!!"

[Muser]

I'm surprised Cubby hasn't gone off on DD for ditching the lakers.

[BoricuaCJA]

I'm surprised Cubby hasn't gone off on DD for ditching the lakers.
I've been wondering this myself for a while, I thought DD was a LA fan but then I saw Miami Heat. I was thinking this was a different dude.

[Wildcat67]

Kobe is hurting his team. If he was out they would be better.

I fail to see why people think shooting the ball every time down the court makes you a great player. If you shoot the ball that much of course you're gonna score 40. Taking 3 pt shots from 35 ft is really MVP material?

All the other players are taken out of the game and rendered useless.

In Kobe's mind he probably thinks "Man I'm carrying this team my teammates suck", but in reality he's causing his teammates to suck and he's dragging the team down.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Man look-a-here....I don't wish that fucking curse of an award on Kobe...ask yourself when was the last time an MVP won the title...It's been almost 10 yrs...the fucking thing is a curse..mark may words the "MVP" almost always never win the title these days....:lol

Carefull, man.

For a second it seemed you implied Lakers have a chance to win the title with their current playstyle.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I've been wondering this myself for a while, I thought DD was a LA fan

Yeah, I get that all the time.

[jjktkk]

I'm surprised Cubby hasn't gone off on DD for ditching the lakers.

DD just jumping off bandwagons.

[DMC]

Kobe cannot be the MVP. He's the one holding the Lakers back, not promoting their success. MVPs aren't just scoring leaders, in fact they often aren't scoring leaders. They are team leaders, and Kobe is not a team leader.

[Spur_Fanatic]

I think Durant is a lock. Great scorer, great teamplayer, and OKC is actually good and with a great record. Kobe can get it, if the team starts to play better.

[DMC]

YTqK7Z8fejQ

Kobe with worse health and shittier franchise

[Killakobe81]

Why do Kobe fanbois come into threads like this and ask "who cares"? It's just one thread on the topic and why do they always try and knock MVP awards and say "who cares anyways?!!"

DPG, I was not saying the MVP doesn't matter to anyone. I said who cares if KOBE is the front-runner for MVP? It doesnt change anything for his supporters or his detractors. If he wins one it's still less than MJ Magic or Bird who won it when the award still had more meaning. Kobe fanbois love him regardless of snitching or 6 for 24 ...that was my point.

The legitimacy of the award is relevant to the topic. you dont like my thoughts don't read it. The award lost luster when they stopped giving it to Mj due to voter fatigue...even the one Kobe won, was debatable.

[crc21209]

Ummm.....no. Putting up 40+ points for 4 games in a row doesnt make you the MVP of the league in the first 4 weeks of the season. Still have a loooong way to go.....

[Killakobe81]

BTW, Probably the last no doubt about it MVP was Shaq in 2000.

When Nash won you could of argued Kobe or Lebron ...
Rose you could of argued Lebron or Howard

It just seems to be media politics ...you can ignore that if you like.

[DMC]

BTW, Probably the last no doubt about it MVP was Shaq in 2000.

When Nash won you could of argued Kobe or Lebron ...
Rose you could of argued Lebron or Howard

It just seems to be media politics ...you can ignore that if you like.
Or Tim Duncan in 2003. MVP and Finals MVP in the same year, hard to argue that, especially on the 2nd year of a b2b MVP.

[pass1st]

YTqK7Z8fejQ

Kobe with worse health, worse defense and shittier franchise

fify

[Killakobe81]

Or Tim Duncan in 2003. MVP and Finals MVP in the same year, hard to argue that, especially on the 2nd year of a b2b MVP.

The finals MVP has nothing to do with it. winning both was impressive ...no doubt. But IIRC I think Kidd was in heavy consideration that year as well. But I agree I would of voted Duncan.

My point was Shaq was almost unanimous choice that year and was deservedly so. Man, I wish shaq would of given us a few more years like 2000. I though he had turned the corner and would go after MJ as GOAT ...

[DMC]

The finals MVP has nothing to do with it. winning both was impressive ...no doubt. But IIRC I think Kidd was in heavy consideration that year as well. But I agree I would of voted Duncan.

My point was Shaq was almost unanimous choice that year and was deservedly so. Man, I wish shaq would of given us a few more years like 2000. I though he had turned the corner and would go after MJ as GOAT ...
And I wish you would quit saying "would of". :toast

[Killakobe81]

Meh I care little about internet forum grammar, as you can tell. But if shaq had the work ethic of Duncan or Kobe he had an outside shot at GOAT status.

[DMC]

Meh I care little about internet forum grammar, as you can tell. But if shaq had the work ethic of Duncan or Kobe he had an outside shot at GOAT status.

I don't think so, because he had no skills outside of the paint. He couldn't hit a FT, his foot work wasn't great and he didn't really defend outside 8'.

His strength was his size, and after getting with Phil, his attitude. His size was also his detriment though, because he was bound to taper off quickly. He became a liability. I think Shaq did as well as could be expected. He would never have been the GOAT. Unstoppable force during his time, absolutely, but fairly sharp rise and decline in terms of effectiveness.

[Muser]

Meh I care little about internet forum grammar, as you can tell. But if shaq had the work ethic of Duncan or Kobe he had an outside shot at GOAT status.

If he kept his weight in check and worked to get his FT's up to around 70% he would of easily been the GOAT, talking about a guy who averaged 30 points on nearly 60% shooting in his prime...damn.

[Killakobe81]

I don't think so, because he had no skills outside of the paint. He couldn't hit a FT, his foot work wasn't great and he didn't really defend outside 8'.

His strength was his size, and after getting with Phil, his attitude. His size was also his detriment though, because he was bound to taper off quickly. He became a liability. I think Shaq did as well as could be expected. He would never have been the GOAT. Unstoppable force during his time, absolutely, but fairly sharp rise and decline in terms of effectiveness.

Agree, to disagree. IF shaq was as focused as he was after PJ joined he wins at least one title with the Magic. And he wins a few more with the Lakers. again, this is just conjecture but you have plenty of folks that think that already despite the limits to his game that you mentioned ... guys (like chuck and Kenny) l have called him the most dominant player since MJ. Many have him rated over Kobe and Duncan.
With better shape and focus he would not pass MJ in book, but to say he dint have a shot is being short-sighted. Plus with that focus he develops a Duncan type bank-shot or mid range game. Remember despite his injuries and penchant for Krispy Kremes Shaq almost lasted 20 years ...with a more rounded post game and and less weight on his joints ...who knows?

[DMC]

Whatever the case, egos always seem to kill greatness.

[m>s]

I don't think so, because he had no skills outside of the paint. He couldn't hit a FT, his foot work wasn't great and he didn't really defend outside 8'.

His strength was his size, and after getting with Phil, his attitude. His size was also his detriment though, because he was bound to taper off quickly. He became a liability. I think Shaq did as well as could be expected. He would never have been the GOAT. Unstoppable force during his time, absolutely, but fairly sharp rise and decline in terms of effectiveness.

size & strength were god-given gifts for him imho, neither was a "detriment". you must have confused him the 7'6 chink piece of shit imho

[DMC]

size & strength were god-given gifts for him imho, neither was a "detriment". you must have confused him the 7'6 chink piece of shit imho

His size was his strength, but his size was also his detriment. It's why he got so tired getting down court.

Even shitty alternate usernames should get that.

[m>s]

His size was his strength, but his size was also his detriment. It's why he got so tired getting down court.

Even shitty alternate usernames should get that.

yeah drafted 92 & retired 11 dude played 19 seasons in NBA, and yeah surely he was MORE tired then that 7'6 piece of shit who only endured 9 injury-plagued years in this league :lol