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midnightpulp
01-16-2012, 01:34 AM
And that is at least two championship runs with a +10 margin between offensive and defensive rating.

Larry Bird:

84 - 120 OR, 103 DR
86 - 127 OR, 103 DR

Michael Jordan:

91 - 127 OR, 101 DR
92 - 115 OR, 104 DR
93 - 119 OR, 105 DR
96 - 123 OR, 101 DR
97 - 114 OR, 101 DR
98 - 117 OR, 103 DR

Shaquille O'Neal:

00 - 114 OR, 104 DR
01 - 113 OR, 96 DR
02 - 112 OR, 99 DR

Hakeem Olajuwon:

94 - 109 OR, 97 DR

(Only one but it's worth nothing he had 119 OR, 101 DR in his 86 Finals run, where the Rockets unfortunately met one of the greatest teams of all time, if not the greatest team of all time. So we'll include him).

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:

80 - 118 OR, 99 DR
87 - 119 OR, 108 DR

(I'm sure his Bucks title would qualify if they recorded the stat back then).

Kobe Bryant:

01 - 116 OR, 99 DR
09 - 117 OR, 104 DR

(Never above +6 in his other championship runs.)

Tim Duncan:

99 - 110 OR, 92 DR
03 - 116 OR, 92 DR
05 - 111 OR, 101 DR
07 - 111 OR, 98 DR

Magic Johnson:

80 - 117 OR, 100 DR
82 - 126 OR, 102 DR
85 - 122 OR, 107 DR
87 - 129 OR, 107 DR
88 - 124 OR, 112 DR

(Magic has the most above 15. Amazing.)

Another interesting characteristic about this stat is when a star player sees the discrepancy tighten, his team typically doesn't succeed in the post-season. For example, in all of Jordan's non-championship years, the OR/DR margin was only above ten twice. And Karl Malone only scratched +10 in the playoffs once.

Killakobe81
01-16-2012, 01:40 AM
And that is at least two championship runs with a +10 margin between offensive and defensive rating.

Larry Bird:

84 - 120 OR, 103 DR
86 - 127 OR, 103 DR

Michael Jordan:

91 - 127 OR, 101 DR
92 - 115 OR, 104 DR
93 - 119 OR, 105 DR
96 - 123 OR, 101 DR
97 - 114 OR, 101 DR
98 - 117 OR, 103 DR

Shaquille O'Neal:

00 - 114 OR, 104 DR
01 - 113 OR, 96 DR
02 - 112 OR, 99 DR

Hakeem Olajuwon:

94 - 109 OR, 97 DR

(Only one but it's worth nothing he had 119 OR, 101 DR in his 86 Finals run, where the Rockets unfortunately met one of the greatest teams of all time, if not the greatest team of all time. So we'll include him).

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:

80 - 118 OR, 99 DR
87 - 119 OR, 108 DR

(I'm sure his Bucks title would qualify if they recorded the stat back then).

Kobe Bryant:

01 - 116 OR, 99 DR
09 - 117 OR, 104 DR

(Never above +6 in his other championship runs.)

Tim Duncan:

99 - 110 OR, 92 DR
03 - 116 OR, 92 DR
05 - 111 OR, 101 DR
07 - 111 OR, 98 DR

Magic Johnson:

80 - 117 OR, 100 DR
82 - 126 OR, 102 DR
85 - 122 OR, 107 DR
87 - 129 OR, 107 DR
88 - 124 OR, 112 DR

(Magic has the most above 15. Amazing.)

Another interesting characteristic about this stat is when a star player sees the discrepancy tighten, his team typically doesn't succeed in the post-season. For example, in all of Jordan's non-championship years, the OR/DR margin was only above ten twice.

Magic was my all-time favorite. Could score, rebound and pass ...his vision was amazing. defense just ok but was a good help defender ...

midnightpulp
01-16-2012, 01:43 AM
Magic also has the overall highest career OR/DR playoff margin at 122 to 107, one point higher than Jordan. Coincidentally (or maybe not), he's been in the most Finals of any player in the modern era.

Killakobe81
01-16-2012, 01:51 AM
Magic also has the overall highest career OR/DR playoff margin at 122 to 107, one point higher than Jordan. Coincidentally (or maybe not), he's been in the most Finals of any player in the modern era.

Magic and Kareem only players I have seen with a legit argument for GOAT wuth MJ . I still give Mike the nod, but hate that people act like NO ONE compares.

Mel_13
01-16-2012, 01:54 AM
Magic and Kareem only players I have seen with a legit argument for GOAT wuth MJ . I still give Mike the nod, but hate that people act like NO ONE compares.

Most of those people never saw Kareem or Magic play, at least not in their primes.

midnightpulp
01-16-2012, 01:58 AM
Players with all-time playoff OR/DR margins above 10:

Magic Johnson: 122, 107
MJ: 118, 104
Tim Duncan: 110, 98
Kareem: 114, 103
Hakeem: 112, 101
Larry Bird: 114, 104

I'm sure players like Wilt and Oscar would make the list if the stat was recorded in their day.

midnightpulp
01-16-2012, 02:00 AM
Magic and Kareem only players I have seen with a legit argument for GOAT wuth MJ . I still give Mike the nod, but hate that people act like NO ONE compares.

I agree. You also have to throw peak Bird in there before the back problems.

DMC
01-16-2012, 02:02 AM
Magic was my all-time favorite. Could score, rebound and pass ...his vision was amazing. defense just ok but was a good help defender ...
He didn't see that AIDs coming though...

TarantinoRezDog
01-16-2012, 02:07 AM
Players with all-time playoff OR/DR margins above 10:

Magic Johnson: 122, 107
MJ: 118, 104
Tim Duncan: 110, 98
Kareem: 114, 103
Hakeem: 112, 101
Larry Bird: 114, 104

I'm sure players like Wilt and Oscar would make the list if the stat was recorded in their day.

My guy Wade would also make this list if not for Queen James bending over for the mavs.

And wow kobe has only a plus four playoff margin? Greatest of his generation my ass. Wade's is plus eight.