Truth BOMBS about Kobe Bryant - Sons simply the facts

[BRHornet45]

sons I posted this in another thread, but for those of you not viewing it I didn't want you to miss these truth bombs.


what did Kobe do during that 3 and a half year span when he didn't have daddy there? oh yea that's right! he didn't do shit!!!

Kobe as team leader without Shaq or Gasol ...


2004-05

Lakers: 34-48 (failed to even make playoffs)


2005-06

Lakers: 45-37 (stomped out by PHX in first round)


2006-07

Lakers: 42-40 (stomped out by PHX again in first round)


2007-08

Kobe cries to be traded because he knows he can't lead a team so Stern sends him Gasol and the Lakers immediately hit a 10 game winning streak that started on Gasol's third game as a Laker and they finish the season 27-9 since Gasol's arrival.

[Killakobe81]

LOL 7 game series = stomp out ... :lmao

[ElNono]

lol 2 shots in the entire 2nd half of an elimination game...

Don't listen to the haters, son. Preach on.

[BRHornet45]

lol sons he led the Lakers to a 121-125 record during the 3 seasons without Shaq. :lol

I knew he was pathetic as a leader, but I didn't realize it was that bad.

[crc21209]

Damn BR, I don't usually see eye to eye with you but you came with the straight up stone cold facts on this one son! BR may have made the thread/post of the year with this one! Props! :tu

[DMC]

Kobe (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Kobe+Bryant+Is+a+chucker)

[DMC]

LOL 7 game series = stomp out ... :lmao
It's a stomp out when you are up 3 games to 1 and you lose.

[midnightpulp]

Great thread. God bless, son.

[Proxy]

lol sons he led the Lakers to a 121-125 record during the 3 seasons without Shaq. :lol

I knew he was pathetic as a leader, but I didn't realize it was that bad.

Shit... never saw this stat before.

/thread

[namlook]

How meaningful is the OP when the player many feel is the greatest ever did this:

What did Jordan do when he didn't have Pippen? He didn't do shit!

1984-85 Chicago Bulls: 38-44 record (No Pippen = below .500)
Lost 3-1 to Bucks 1st round

1986-87 Chicago Bulls: 40-42 record (No Pippen = below .500)
Swept 3-0 by Celtics 1st round

1987-88 Chicago Bulls: Above .500 - (Pippen and Horace Grant join team)
Lost 2nd round 4-1 to Pistons

1988-89 Chicago Bulls:
Lost East Finals 4-2 to Pistons

1989-90 Chicago Bulls:
Lost East Finals 4-3 to Pistons

The Bulls were a below .500 team until Pippen and Grant joined the team. Then even with Pippen and Grant the Bulls were bitch-slapped three years in a row by the Motor City.

The greatest players have all failed at times. Doesn't mean shit. In sports how many times you succeed is what matters.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5310907&postcount=38

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
Averaged 40 for a month

Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:
.492 win %
0 Titles
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

[BRHornet45]

lmao at you trying to justify Kobe's suck-ass-ness by comparing his 9th, 10th, and 11th years in the NBA to Jordan's first five years. son do you really want to go this route? I'll leave it that for now to save you some embarrassment, but if you push it then I'll be forced to whip out even more TRUTH BOMBS that expose Kobe as the true, role playing bitch that he is.

[LkrFan]

Kobe (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Kobe+Bryant+Is+a+chucker)

Son how did you do that? :lmao

[LkrFan]

I got few choice words for BR: Go Niners! :lmao

[BRHornet45]

son even the sun shines on a dogs ass every now and then.

[BRHornet45]

Laker fans these are the facts, not opinions. you can't argue with the stats.

don't be mad because I just wrecked your boy harder than Victor Ortiz has been smashing Vanessa Bryant behind Kobe's back.

[BRHornet45]

Carry me daddy!

http://www.pingceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/kobe-bryant-and-shaquille-oneal.jpg

[namlook]

Son how did you do that? :lmao

Not hard to do....

http://bit.ly/zw06GX (http://bit.ly/wuZ87b)

[namlook]

lmao at you trying to justify Kobe's suck-ass-ness by comparing his 9th, 10th, and 11th years in the NBA to Jordan's first five years. son do you really want to go this route?

Those failures actually covered Jordan's first 6 seasons. He was injured most of year 2. Do you mean how in comparison Kobe was wearing three rings after his first 6 seasons?

Bottom line is the greatest players didn't win shit without talent around them. Not Jordan, not Kobe, not Magic, Not Bird, not Kareem....and your spin is laughable and nothing more than pandering to the lowest common denominator.

[LkrFan]

Once upon a time there was this 17 year old phenom that was drafted by the Hornets. They did not believe in his talent so they traded him away for Vlade Divac.

This teenager would go on to win scoring titles, rangs, and is now a first ballot HOFer. Meanwhile the Hornets might not exist after 2012-2013 season and the teenager is now a grown man that holds grudges. This is evidenced by busting their asses when he plays them. This phenom is now on a perennial contender.

Who knows what could have bee if that teenage phenom didn't get traded away. We will never know. But as a Laker fan, I thank the dumbasses in the Hornets' FO everyday.

The End

:toast

[Fabbs]

Kobe cries to be traded because he knows he can't lead a team so Stern sends him Gasol and the Lakers immediately hit a 10 game winning streak that started on Gasol's third game as a Laker and they finish the season 27-9 since Gasol's arrival.
Nicely done BR.
Also while Shaq was with the Lakers in about 100 games that Cryant was out, Shaq won at an 80% clip.
The opposite, Shaq out-Kobme in? Laker Boi was at his customary .500

[Cry Havoc]

How meaningful is the OP when the player many feel is the greatest ever did this:

What did Jordan do when he didn't have Pippen? He didn't do shit!

1984-85 Chicago Bulls: 38-44 record (No Pippen = below .500)
Lost 3-1 to Bucks 1st round

1986-87 Chicago Bulls: 40-42 record (No Pippen = below .500)
Swept 3-0 by Celtics 1st round

1987-88 Chicago Bulls: Above .500 - (Pippen and Horace Grant join team)
Lost 2nd round 4-1 to Pistons

1988-89 Chicago Bulls:
Lost East Finals 4-2 to Pistons

1989-90 Chicago Bulls:
Lost East Finals 4-3 to Pistons

The Bulls were a below .500 team until Pippen and Grant joined the team. Then even with Pippen and Grant the Bulls were bitch-slapped three years in a row by the Motor City.

The greatest players have all failed at times. Doesn't mean shit. In sports how many times you succeed is what matters.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5310907&postcount=38

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
Averaged 40 for a month

Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:
.492 win %
0 Titles
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Just a small difference here.

Number of non-injured seasons Micheal Jordan played that he wasn't the leader on the Bulls: 0.

Number of seasons Kobe Bryant played with Shaq that he was the leader on the Lakers: 0.

[Donkeybong]

namlook took a shit on this thread.

[Koolaid_Man]

namlook took a shit on this thread.


We're going to have to start handing out Namlook awards...:toast He brought that fire that lit BR's ass up :lol

[diego]

.473 FG%, 16.1 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 5.2 apg, 2 stl, 0 MVP, 0 Finals MVP
.582 FG%, 23.7ppg, 10.9rpg, 2.5 apg, 2.3 blk, 1 MVP, 3 Finals MVP

when your argument revolves around making an analogue between pippen and shaq, you've already lost.

cherry picking stats is especially retarded, considering that Jordan trumps kobe in every single category except TO (oh wait, less is better, my mistake).

[Koolaid_Man]

.473 FG%, 16.1 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 5.2 apg, 2 stl, 0 MVP, 0 Finals MVP
.582 FG%, 23.7ppg, 10.9rpg, 2.5 apg, 2.3 blk, 1 MVP, 3 Finals MVP

when your argument revolves around making an analogue between pippen and shaq, you've already lost.

cherry picking stats is especially retarded, considering that Jordan trumps kobe in every single category except TO (oh wait, less is better, my mistake).


Pippen was an even better defender than Shaq...Shaq's numbers are inflated because of Kobe and Kobe's numbers suffer because of Shaq...:toast

[Giuseppe]

Nam

[midnightpulp]

br

[midnightpulp]

.473 FG%, 16.1 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 5.2 apg, 2 stl, 0 MVP, 0 Finals MVP
.582 FG%, 23.7ppg, 10.9rpg, 2.5 apg, 2.3 blk, 1 MVP, 3 Finals MVP

when your argument revolves around making an analogue between pippen and shaq, you've already lost.

cherry picking stats is especially retarded, considering that Jordan trumps kobe in every single category except TO (oh wait, less is better, my mistake).

Diego

[Koolaid_Man]

br

you hurting this morning aren't you :lol

BR was the recipient of Kobe's 1 million dollar donation to Katrina victims....he's quite the ungrateful bastard...Kobe feed that lil nigglet :lol

[Sportstudi]

Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:
.492 win %
0 Titles
0 Regular Season MVP career accomplishment
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team none of these selections were deserved
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Fixed it for ya. During the last decade Kobe has started to play defense only if he wants to. The young Kobe was a very good defender, but since 2004, 2005 (around that) he has fallen of a cliff. Seriously, all of these All Defense Team selections were utterly bullshit. You don't deserve such a selection if you play defense only every fifth game or so. And his MVP was a reward for career accomplishments. Chris Paul deserved it way more back then.

And no, I'm not a Kobe hater, he's lock in my personal Top 10. But unlike some Kobe fanbois in here, I'm not blinded by his stat padding.

[Killakobe81]

lmao at you trying to justify Kobe's suck-ass-ness by comparing his 9th, 10th, and 11th years in the NBA to Jordan's first five years. son do you really want to go this route? I'll leave it that for now to save you some embarrassment, but if you push it then I'll be forced to whip out even more TRUTH BOMBS that expose Kobe as the true, role playing bitch that he is.

I get you are trolling but this is one of your weaker efforts. you say he rides coat-tails but you give him all the blame for losses and none of the praise for the wins. You credit a proven playoff failure (pau until he joined Kobe) for the recent titles, you just all over the map. At least Midnight makes a case for Magic or MJ ... this argument is weaker than the LSU passing game or the Saints defense :toast

I kid, BR ...

[lefty]

Sticky this shit

[cheguevara]

truth bomb?

I thought this was about Kobe raping another white girl

this is common knowledge and not a truth bomb

[Giuseppe]

What did Jordan do when he didn't have Pippen?

That's it and that's all.

[Trill Clinton]

Laker stans always bring up da Gawd, Jordan when defending kobe. Stop it.

[DMC]

All the Laker fan vote straight ticket. Nothing new here.

[DMC]

you hurting this morning aren't you :lol

BR was the recipient of Kobe's 1 million dollar donation to Katrina victims....he's quite the ungrateful bastard...Kobe feed that lil nigglet :lol
Hey bro lets team up against Mav fan, that will show them.

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l482/DMCSPURS/KAMlol-1.jpg

[Juggity]

Just to contribute another nugget of truth to this thread...

Right now Kobe has the highest usage rate of all time: 39.9%. (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7466271/person-interest)

No other player has ever used the ball on as many possessions per game as Kobe is doing right now this season. It's significantly higher than that 2005-06 season. And he's definitely scoring less than he did that season.

I think this pretty much seals the chucker argument.

[Killakobe81]

Just to contribute another nugget of truth to this thread...

Right now Kobe has the highest usage rate of all time: 39.9%. (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7466271/person-interest)

No other player has ever used the ball on as many possessions per game as Kobe is doing right now this season. It's significantly higher than that 2005-06 season. And he's definitely scoring less than he did that season.

I think this pretty much seals the chucker argument.

Read that. Thought about posting it here but it's too depp for the rank and file. But you failed to highlight the part about Artest being overweight and shooting less than 35%, or the fact that the bigs were struggling to establish post position.
He did feel Kobe shot and especially dribbled too much but at least pointed out some of the reasons why like he is the only player we have that can effectively create offense. The problem is when he does like in pnr he prefers his shot over the roll-man ...:lol

[lefty]

What did Jordan do when he didn't have Pippen?


But the difference is that Jordan was still the man; Pippen didnt carry MJ


Shaq and Pau have had to carry Kobe's vagina


GTFO :lmao

[Stalin]

lol sons he led the Lakers to a 121-125 record during the 3 seasons without Shaq. :lol

I knew he was pathetic as a leader, but I didn't realize it was that bad.


son, Real Talk

[DMC]

Compare Kobe's season PPG vs Lakers' success in the past decade.

You might find that the Lakers did best when Kobe averaged less than 28ppg.

[BRHornet45]

Pippen was a better player than Kobe.


Team Leaders

1. Michael Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Gasol


Role Players

1. Pippen
2. Kobe

[Killakobe81]

Pippen was a better player than Kobe.


Team Leaders

1. Michael Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Gasol


Role Players

1. Pippen
2. Kobe

Team leaders:
Darren sharper

Cheer leader/Role player:
Drew Brees



Sharper is a better leader than Drew Brees ... no sharper, no rings. You see how silly that logic is?

Kobe rang as the leader ...son end of story.

[cesare borgia]

Br is seriously being a hypocrite right now.

[BRHornet45]

sons people tend to get mad and fire back with silly arguments and complaints when they get their shit wrecked by STATS and FACTS.

"but!...but!...but! you're a big stupid dummy!!!" - Laker fans right now

[Killakobe81]

sons people tend to get mad and fire back with silly arguments and complaints when they get their shit wrecked by STATS and FACTS.

"but!...but!...but! you're a big stupid dummy!!!" - Laker fans right now

Just stating facts. Without Sharper to lead them your saints don't win ...

what Brees broke Marino's scoring record?
Easy to score when you pass the ball 60 times ... (sound familiar?)
When you cant really hit the QB without a flag ...
when the DB's cant put their hands on the WR's ...

Media superstar? Who gets sucked off more for revitalizing New orleans after Katrina?

What he won a SB? Shit ... he rode Darren sharper's coat-tails :rollin

[DeadlyDynasty]

Kobe Bryant is a saint! You understand me? Kobe Bryant is a saint!

[BRHornet45]

LOL Darren Sharper?

son you're argument that Drew Brees is a chucker is downright silly, but we can play that game if you want ... if you're sure that's what you want?

son Brees may pass the ball a lot, but at least he can hit 71% of his passes while Kobe Bryant on the other hand can only hit about 44% of his. ***WRECKED***

[BRHornet45]

"but!...but!...but! BR has my ass on fire right now so I'm going to come up with a bunch of silly scenarios instead of accepting the stats and facts about Kobe!" - Laker fan

[Killakobe81]

LOL Darren Sharper?

son you're argument that Drew Brees is a chucker is downright silly, but we can play that game if you want ... if you're sure that's what you want?

son Brees may pass the ball a lot, but at least he can hit 71% of his passes while Kobe Bryant on the other hand can only hit about 44% of his. ***WRECKED***

1. Kobe shooting 50% ...last 4 games ...

2. Tony freaking Romo is passing at almost 64% big freaking deal.

3. I actually like Brees Br, the point I'm making is your arguments are silly.

But ... Brees still hasnt won a title without Darren sharper.
Before Darren sharper joined the Saints/chargers how far did he go in the playoffs?
While sharper led Farve to a title and Farve hasnt won since.
So if I follow your logic:

Sharper = Leader
Brees = Great passer/Role player

[BRHornet45]

Killa,

Please fill this out and get back to me. God bless


http://www.chicagonow.com/moms-who-drink-and-swear/files/2011/07/butthurt2.jpg

[Killakobe81]

Killa,

Please fill this out and get back to me. God bless


http://www.chicagonow.com/moms-who-drink-and-swear/files/2011/07/butthurt2.jpg

LOL, who is butthurt?
Im just using the BR method for determining who real leaders are ... and your boy Brees does not qualify. :lol
If I accept that Kobe is a role player i must accept the same about Brees ...

[Killakobe81]

Oh, GOD bless ...son.

[BRHornet45]

***wrecked***

[Killakobe81]

***wrecked***

:lmao

[Stalin]

Pippen was a better player than Kobe. <---Real Talk


Team Leaders

1. Michael Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Gasol


Role Players

1. Pippen
2. Kobe

preach it, son :toast

[Juggity]

Compare Kobe's season PPG vs Lakers' success in the past decade.

You might find that the Lakers did best when Kobe averaged less than 28ppg.

Good point, here's a handy graph to explain it:

http://i.imgur.com/fdsdD.gif

[NewcastleKEG]

Kobe was drafted on an All Star team

Bryant = Derek Jeter of the NBA

[ElNono]

***wrecked***

Son, they don't even get mad if you badmouth their team... but when you drop the truth bombs on glorified T-Mac, they just go apeshit...

[Giuseppe]

Son, they don't even get mad if you badmouth their team... but when you drop the truth bombs on glorified T-Mac, they just go apeshit...

& cite this:::

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

just like that.

[ElNono]

& cite this:::

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

just like that.

Exhibit A right here

[LkrFan]

Kobe was drafted on an All Star team

Bryant = Derek Jeter of the NBA

Hornets were not an all star team. Try again.

[Giuseppe]

Exhibit A right here

- "No problem."

- "Ace Merrill" - "Stand By Me"

[Killakobe81]

& cite this:::

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

just like that.

Bad mouth our team? NoNo, cully knows you aint that stupid ... because he will pull out Lakers 16 Spurs 4

at least Kobe vs. duncan is a contest ...

now, let us proceed ...

[Giuseppe]

^Killa

[ElNono]

Bad mouth our team? NoNo, cully knows you aint that stupid ... because he will pull out Lakers 16 Spurs 4

at least Kobe vs. duncan is a contest ...

now, let us proceed ...

tbh, the Lakerfan on Lakerfan violence this summer when the honkeys were brought over after the Paul debacle was a sad image to see. Even more so when some of them decided to jump ship entirely.

Cully had a knack for pointing out the Spurfan on Spurfan violence, so I gather it was an awful sight from his side of the pond too.

But even when it comes to the deserters, god forbid you touch their glorified T-Mac...

This isn't about Duncan or the Spurs... As far as I'm concerned, I already clearly stated Duncan is on his farewell tour. Has nothing to do with this conversation, tbh.

[DJB]

sons I posted this in another thread, but for those of you not viewing it I didn't want you to miss these truth bombs.


what did Kobe do during that 3 and a half year span when he didn't have daddy there? oh yea that's right! he didn't do shit!!!

Kobe as team leader without Shaq or Gasol ...


2004-05

Lakers: 34-48 (failed to even make playoffs)


2005-06

Lakers: 45-37 (stomped out by PHX in first round)


2006-07

Lakers: 42-40 (stomped out by PHX again in first round)


2007-08

Kobe cries to be traded because he knows he can't lead a team so Stern sends him Gasol and the Lakers immediately hit a 10 game winning streak that started on Gasol's third game as a Laker and they finish the season 27-9 since Gasol's arrival.

This is the most factual thing I have seen in the NBA forum in a long time, thanks BR. :tu

Laker fan just in denial of how Kobe needs a big to hold his hand, IMHO. :rolleyes

[NewcastleKEG]

Before the Gasol trade

Grizzlies > Lakers for 3 previous seasons

[DeadlyDynasty]

Before Jordan:

Watching paint dry>Bulls

After Jordan:

Watching paint dry>Bulls

[Giuseppe]

Before the Gasol trade

Grizzlies > Lakers for 3 previous seasons

Gasol could never win a single playoff game.

[NewcastleKEG]

Gasol could never win a single playoff game.
Kobe should have forced a deal to Memphis. He would have won a title sooner

[DeadlyDynasty]

Kobe should have forced a deal to Memphis. He would have won a title sooner

That didn't make any sense whatsoever. I'll give you all the time you need to edit your post. Hopefully the lightbulb will come on for you sooner rather than later:lol

[NewcastleKEG]

That didn't make any sense whatsoever. I'll give you all the time you need to edit your post. Hopefully the lightbulb will come on for you sooner rather than later:lol
Grizzlies were better than the Lakers
Link: W/L totals the previous 3 seasons

Laker fanboy has forgotten life without a premium post player. Without Shaq or Gasol.........Kobe isn't even Allen Iverson

[Koolaid_Man]

Grizzlies were better than the Lakers
Link: W/L totals the previous 3 seasons

Laker fanboy has forgotten life without a premium post player. Without Shaq or Gasol.........Kobe isn't even Allen Iverson


then why is Derrick Rose taking advice from him :lmao

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/12/derrick-rose-took-kobe-bryant%E2%80%99s-advice-to-develop-a-post-game/

[WeNeedLength]

Quality, fact-driven thread.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Grizzlies were better than the Lakers
Link: W/L totals the previous 3 seasons

Laker fanboy has forgotten life without a premium post player. Without Shaq or Gasol.........Kobe isn't even Allen Iverson

Jesus Christ you're fucking dumb. I wish somebody would catalog your posts and put them in a thread for you to read, just so you can see how stupid you are.

[WeNeedLength]

Jesus Christ you're fucking dumb. I wish somebody would catalog your posts and put them in a thread for you to read, just so you can see how stupid you are.

And yet you are compelled to reply to so called "fucking dumb" posters every time they post. Odd..

[DeadlyDynasty]

And yet you are compelled to reply to so called "fucking dumb" posters every time they post. Odd..

If your dog shits on the carpet, do you rub his nose in it or just leave it there?:lol

[BRHornet45]

And yet you are compelled to reply to so called "fucking dumb" posters every time they post. Odd..

Son a man much wiser than me once told me that when someone argues back with name calling and cursing directly at you it is because they know they don't have a leg to stand on. God bless

[DeadlyDynasty]

Son a man much wiser than me once told me that when someone argues back with name calling and cursing directly at you it is because they know they don't have a leg to stand on. God bless

uLrlWHhbpac

[WeNeedLength]

uLrlWHhbpac

Hmm, Kobe Bryant plays for LSU? I'm lost..

[DeadlyDynasty]

Hmm, Kobe Bryant plays for LSU? I'm lost..

:lmao

You have no idea how lost you are:lmao

[WeNeedLength]

:lmao

You have no idea how lost you are:lmao

Enlighten me

[DMC]

This is the most factual thing I have seen in the NBA forum in a long time, thanks BR. :tu

Laker fan just in denial of how Kobe needs a big to hold his hand, IMHO. :rolleyes
I don't fault the guy for needing size in the paint to win a ring, I fault him for having it x 2 and being too greedy to use it.

[BRHornet45]

Hmm, Kobe Bryant plays for LSU? I'm lost..

Son again ... when people argue back with name calling, curse words, or any other personal attack to try and take focus off of the original topic it is because they know they don't have a leg to stand on.

Facts and stats were presented in the topic of this thread. Not personal opinions, but since the facts and stats expose Kobe for being a terrible team leader and unable to do anything without an All Star big man some people are very mad about it and trying to spin it in their favor.

***WRECKED***

[WeNeedLength]

Actually don't enlighten me. BR already did with this piece of knowledge.


Son a man much wiser than me once told me that when someone argues back with name calling and cursing directly at you it is because they know they don't have a leg to stand on. God bless

[DMC]

Son again ... when people argue back with name calling, curse words, or any other personal attack to try and take focus off of the original topic it is because they know they don't have a leg to stand on.

Facts and stats were presented in the topic of this thread. Not personal opinions, but since the facts and stats expose Kobe for being a terrible team leader and unable to do anything without an All Star big man some people are very mad about it and trying to spin it in their favor.

***WRECKED***
I thought Fisher was the team captain.

Still though, Kobe isn't even a team player, much less a leader. Maybe he hasn't had a team around him, the same guys, long enough to form bonds.

[Giuseppe]

...long enough for:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[DeadlyDynasty]

PbxMz5h11CU

***WRECKED***

Agreed, they got wrecked:lol

[ElNono]

lol sons he led the Lakers to a 121-125 record during the 3 seasons without Shaq. :lol

I knew he was pathetic as a leader, but I didn't realize it was that bad.

[Giuseppe]

^Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[ElNono]

Son again ... when people argue back with name calling, curse words, or any other personal attack to try and take focus off of the original topic it is because they know they don't have a leg to stand on.

Facts and stats were presented in the topic of this thread. Not personal opinions, but since the facts and stats expose Kobe for being a terrible team leader and unable to do anything without an All Star big man some people are very mad about it and trying to spin it in their favor.

***WRECKED***

Son, take a cue from Pastor Manning and don't relent spreading the truth... the truth shall not be denied.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe has 5 championships without Shaq and Gasol :lol
Thread fail

[Spur_Fanatic]

Kobe has 5 championships without Shaq and Gasol :lol
Thread fail


http://dansideas.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/twisted-reality.jpg

[Giuseppe]

"Kobe has 5 championships without Shaq and Gasol :lol
Thread fail"

Damn, I knew there had to be a way around that.

tee, hee.

[Deuce Bigalow]

5>4

you know deep down they mad at that :lol

[Giuseppe]

5>4

you know deep down they mad at that :lol

Yep, that was the one that broke their hearts & asses. They've never recovered.

[Spur_Fanatic]

5>4

you know deep down they mad at that :lol

Look at the guy trying to switch it now, after failing.
I hope you paying culbie some royalties, noob.

[ezau]

Vanessa is getting half of whatever Kobe has:lol:lol

[BRHornet45]

Kobe wouldn't even be part of a championship team if it wasn't for Shaq and Gasol. he owes everything he has ever accomplished on the court to those two men.

[Giuseppe]

if

:lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe wouldn't even be part of a championship team if it wasn't for Shaq and Gasol. he owes everything he has ever accomplished on the court to those two men.


and you owe your screen name to Kobe...had he decided to play for Charlotte the Hornets never get a team :lmao

[Chucho]

Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:
.492 win %
0 Titles
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

You mean the MVP he won the year Gasol was gifted to the Lakers? THAT MVP without Gasol?? Is that the one? I remember THAT MVP he won without Gasol the year Stern gave Gasol to the Lakers. That is definitely the MVP he won without Gasol, the year Gasol was stolen from Memphis and given to the Lakers.

[lefty]

Stickyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[BRHornet45]

sons its time to whip it back out .....

http://i41.tinypic.com/vpkz1t.jpg

[jeebus]

Chuck is having a good night so far. :lmao

[BRHornet45]

31% shooting tonight and having to rely on a teammate to get the job done. does this sound familiar?

same ole song and dance when it comes to Kobe Bryant

[ElNono]

31% shooting tonight and having to rely on a teammate to get the job done. does this sound familiar?

same ole song and dance when it comes to Kobe Bryant

T-Mac at least has back spasms...

[Giuseppe]

T-Mac at least has back spasms...

...and no rings. But, that's T-Mac. One could see it comin' a mile away.

[ElNono]

...and no rings. But, that's T-Mac. One could see it comin' a mile away.

T-Mac coattailed the cheap Chinese stuff... was bound to break, tbh

[Stalin]

lakerfan can't handle Facts, tbh

[Rummpd]

The truth in all time PER which is a measure commonly used to measure all around value on a basketball court - Mr. Kobe Bryant is not top 5 [unlike LeBron] or even top 10 [unlike Wade, Duncan or Paul] or even top 15 but way down the list at 17. Hell he barely makes the top 5 of active players! http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html

[Giuseppe]

^PER is for pussies & assholes.

[Stalin]

facts are for pussies & assholes.

[Giuseppe]

^PER is for pussies & assholes.

[ElNono]

lakerfan can't handle Facts, tbh

sup Stalin, get on AIM dawg!

[bus driver]

:clap:clap:clap

well done BR, you got tshirt nation in a frenzy

[BRHornet45]

Sons there is just noway in hell anyone can justify Kobe leading the Lakers to a pathetic 121-125 record over 3 seasons without Shaq and then the moment they land Gasol they became title contenders overnight. I mean we are talking about the LOS ANGELES LAKERS here... not the Toronto Raptors, Memphis Grizzlies, or other scrub markets with owners who won't spend to win. That makes Kobe's 121-125 record as a team leader even more pathetic.

Hell even LeBron's choking ass took the lousy Cavs from arguably the worst team in the NBA to easily a top 5 team and title contenders every year with some of the worst rosters in NBA history. Just chew on that one for a little while. LeBron took the Cavs to the finals and Kobe couldn't even get out of the first round in 3 years.

[Giuseppe]

^Gasol couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe him in.

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

[ElNono]

Sons there is just noway in hell anyone can justify Kobe leading the Lakers to a pathetic 121-125 record over 3 seasons without Shaq and then the moment they land Gasol they became title contenders overnight. I mean we are talking about the LOS ANGELES LAKERS here... not the Toronto Raptors, Memphis Grizzlies, or other scrub markets with owners who won't spend to win. That makes Kobe's 121-125 record as a team leader even more pathetic.

Hell even LeBron's choking ass took the lousy Cavs from arguably the worst team in the NBA to easily a top 5 team and title contenders every year with some of the worst rosters in NBA history. Just chew on that one for a little while. LeBron took the Cavs to the finals and Kobe couldn't even get out of the first round in 3 years.

Son, stand up when you talk about Lebron. He made Mo Williams a borderline All-Star, and made the Finals with Booby Gibson and Sasha Pavlovic. Meanwhile, Kobe couldn't get out of the first round with ballas like Odom, Bynum and Smush Parker.

These truth bombs just can't be denied.

[Giuseppe]

Son, stand up when you talk about Lebron. He made Mo Williams a borderline All-Star, and made the Finals with Booby Gibson and Sasha Pavlovic. Meanwhile, Kobe couldn't get out of the first round with ballas like Odom, Bynum and Smush Parker.

These truth bombs just can't be denied.

Without Kobe---Daddy could only win 1 NBA Title. Kobe won 2 NBA Titles without Daddy.

Without Kobe---Gasol could win only 0 playoff games. With Kobe---Gasol won 2 NBA Titles.

The constant? Kobe Bryant.

[BRHornet45]

but .... but .... but ..... the media has been telling us that Kobe is the best for over a decade now! they needed another "star" once Jordan was gone for financial reasons to help sell the NBA brand so the media and NBA worked together to campaign for this glorified T-Mac.

[midnightpulp]

but .... but .... but ..... the media has been telling us that Kobe is the best for over a decade now! they needed another "star" once Jordan was gone for financial reasons to help sell the NBA brand so the media and NBA worked together to campaign for this glorified T-Mac.

What did you think of that 7-24 performance tonight, son?

[BRHornet45]

What did you think of that 7-24 performance tonight, son?

son no reaction really. it was just a typical performance from Kobe, but the media will turn the other cheek to his absolutely pathetic and selfish performance and the headlines will read "Lakers fall to hot Oklahoma City team despite Bryant's 24 points"

[BRHornet45]

Lakers with Kobe Bryant as team leader for three and a half years: 121-125

[midnightpulp]

son no reaction really. it was just a typical performance from Kobe, but the media will turn the other cheek to his absolutely pathetic and selfish performance and the headlines will read "Lakers fall to hot Oklahoma City team despite Bryant's 24 points"

:lmao

[DMC]

What did you think of that 7-24 performance tonight, son?
You must be a pessimist. An optimist sees that he's improved his game 20% over his 6-24 offering in the Finals.

[DMC]

^PER is for pussies & assholes.

Pussies and assholes must be hoarders. They seem to get everything according to Buffalo Bill up there.

[maddnezz]

http://cdn.tauntr.com/sites/default/files/userfilesimages/shaq_gif.gif

SHAQ.....funny as hell lmao:hat:hat:hat:hat

[Killakobe81]

The level of stupidity, butthurt and fanboi nonsense in this thread is epic. and BR's obvious trolling is hilarious. Im not always great at reading trolls and half the time I dont even try but Id rather believe that than think my forum brothers are THIS dumb ...

[Giuseppe]

^When you don't have to own up to your team's everyday manifest, and can just wait till your little heart's content for a 4 outta 6 bonanza, it's like shaved pussy.

But, you know BR is special. Allowances are made. It's a tradition.

[redzero]

^When you don't have to own up to your team's everyday manifest, and can just wait till your little heart's content for a 4 outta 6 bonanza, it's like shaved pussy.

But, you know BR is special. Allowances are made. It's a tradition.

Does BR play for The Hornets, Dale?

[Giuseppe]

^It's okay, Red, you guys there in that fandom have a pass. That's how it was when I landed on this burg. & I didn't try and change that protocol.

It's adorable.

[Bill_Brasky]

Kobe killed any chance the Lakers had of winning. He wasn't playing well and was still forcing bad shots at the end instead of feeding the post.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe killed any chance the Lakers had of winning. He wasn't playing well and was still forcing bad shots at the end instead of feeding the post.

As a full-time employee he's held to a higher standard than say a part-time employee like the tired old shit bag Duncan.

Relaxing courtside in the expensive seats 72 hours before the break.

Please.

[redzero]

^It's okay, Red, you guys there in that fandom have a pass. That's how it was when I landed on this burg. & I didn't try and change that protocol.

It's adorable.

Answer the question, Dale.

[Giuseppe]

^

- "I'll choose the time, place and inquisitor when I decide to take an exam."

- Culburn Castleberry

[Bill_Brasky]

As a full-time employee he's held to a higher standard than say a part-time employee like the tired old shit bag Duncan.

Relaxing courtside in the expensive seats 72 hours before the break.

Please.

Youre projecting Kobe's sucky play onto Duncan. Please don't do that.

[Giuseppe]

Youre projecting Kobe's sucky play onto Duncan. Please don't do that.

Can ya imagine Phil or Brown, or, another human being telling Kobe to come to Staples in his civies and watch the game?

tee, hee.

[Bill_Brasky]

Can ya imagine Phil or Brown, or, another human being telling Kobe to come to Staples in his civies and watch the game?

tee, hee.

It helped our TOSB, I don't see why it wouldn't help yours.

Kobe will play well after the all star break, but if he keeps getting big minutes he's gonna wear down again.

[Giuseppe]

It helped our TOSB

It would be an insult to Bryant to even broach such a squalid suggestion. Unlike Dirk and Duncan, Pierce, and a 100 others, Kobe came ready to play, hit the ground running, all cylinders firing. He doesn't use the regular season for training camp or, rest period.

Only pussies & assholes take a night(s) off.

[redzero]

Only pussies & assholes take a night(s) off.

Funny coming from somebody who prides himself in taking every night off.

[Giuseppe]

^:rolleyes

[redzero]

Do you take nights off, Dale?

[Giuseppe]

^Nary a one.

[redzero]

Dale, posting on internet forums doesn't count as work.

[Giuseppe]

^Thank you.

[redzero]

Good, you acknowledge that you take every night off.

[jag]

BR went to work in this thread. Pounded that lakerfan ass like it was Jaime Koeppe.

[BRHornet45]

The level of stupidity, butthurt and fanboi nonsense in this thread is epic..

son again how are facts and stats considered "stupidity, butthurt and fanboi nonsense"?

its not my opinion that the Lakers went 121-125 under the leadership of Kobe Bryant, its a fact.

its not my opinion that the Lakers didn't make the playoffs once and got stomped out in the first round twice under the leadership of Kobe Bryant, its a fact.

its not my opinion that after 3+ years of suckassness that Kobe Bryant cried to Stern and the media that he wanted a trade because it was obvious after 3 years he couldn't lead a team even in the prime of his career, its a fact.

its not my opinion that the Lakers immediately hit a 10-game win streak upon Pau Gasol's arrival and became title contenders overnight and have remained that way ever since, its a fact.

how can you argue against any of these facts? these are not opinions son.

[silverblk mystix]

It would be an insult to Bryant to even broach such a squalid suggestion. Unlike Dirk and Duncan, Pierce, and a 100 others, Kobe came ready to play, hit the ground running, all cylinders firing. He doesn't use the regular season for training camp or, rest period.

Only pussies & assholes take a night(s) off.

Only criminals and rapists don't understand the meaning of "no means no."

[Giuseppe]

Only criminals and rapists don't understand the meaning of "no means no."

You've nary room. Your Neal raped. Just like my Kobe.

+ you're doing fine. You've been living with it just jim & dandy. After all it wasn't anybody you knew bent over that sink gettin' her snatch broke.

[Giuseppe]

BR went to work in this thread. Pounded that lakerfan ass like it was Jaime Koeppe.

Of course. He's under the protection of pussy.

- "Fuckin' whimps."

- "Ajax" - "The Warriors"

[baseline bum]

son again how are facts and stats considered "stupidity, butthurt and fanboi nonsense"?

its not my opinion that the Lakers went 121-125 under the leadership of Kobe Bryant, its a fact.

its not my opinion that the Lakers didn't make the playoffs once and got stomped out in the first round twice under the leadership of Kobe Bryant, its a fact.

its not my opinion that after 3+ years of suckassness that Kobe Bryant cried to Stern and the media that he wanted a trade because it was obvious after 3 years he couldn't lead a team even in the prime of his career, its a fact.

its not my opinion that the Lakers immediately hit a 10-game win streak upon Pau Gasol's arrival and became title contenders overnight and have remained that way ever since, its a fact.

how can you argue against any of these facts? these are not opinions son.

BR, nailing Kobe's ass to the tree of woe. Crucify him!

[Giuseppe]

BR, nailing Kobe's ass to the tree of woe. Crucify him!

Of course. BR (((and his contingent))) are not held to the same standard we all are. He walks around here like Kori's other nephew aside from Deeps.

[Ashy Larry]

It's a stomp out when you are up 3 games to 1 and you lose.


no, that's a choke ........

[BRHornet45]

no, that's a choke ........

Son stomp out, choke, you name it ... Kobe had three and a half years to prove himself as the legit leader of the Lakers after Shaq and before Gasol and he shit the bed. That's all there is to it.

[Giuseppe]

Son stomp out, choke, you name it ... Kobe had three and a half years to prove himself as the legit leader of the Lakers after Shaq and before Gasol and he shit the bed. That's all there is to it.

I'd mark your shit stains, but, it's not done here. This is not the time, nor the place for that, ever.

What a gorgeous pussy you have, BR. Red has a swell one too.

[Jodelo]

son again how are facts and stats considered "stupidity, butthurt and fanboi nonsense"?

its not my opinion that the Lakers went 121-125 under the leadership of Kobe Bryant, its a fact.

its not my opinion that the Lakers didn't make the playoffs once and got stomped out in the first round twice under the leadership of Kobe Bryant, its a fact.

its not my opinion that after 3+ years of suckassness that Kobe Bryant cried to Stern and the media that he wanted a trade because it was obvious after 3 years he couldn't lead a team even in the prime of his career, its a fact.

its not my opinion that the Lakers immediately hit a 10-game win streak upon Pau Gasol's arrival and became title contenders overnight and have remained that way ever since, its a fact.

how can you argue against any of these facts? these are not opinions son.

:toast:king

[Giuseppe]

^Ty's another one under the protection of I don't know what, but, I ain't crossin' that virtual line.

[redzero]

Enjoying your night off, Dale?

[baseline bum]

Too much Kobe hate in this thread tbh. He's clearly one of the top supporting players of all-time. He's right there with Kerr and his 5 rings and arguably better than Horry.

[Giuseppe]

Enjoying your night off, Dale?

Like shaved pussy.

[Josepatches_]

lol sons he led the Lakers to a 121-125 record during the 3 seasons without Shaq. :lol

I knew he was pathetic as a leader, but I didn't realize it was that bad.

[Deuce Bigalow]

https://s1-01.twitpicproxy.com/photos/full/525428781.gif

[100%duncan]

I think BR's not saying that kobe is sucks and doesn't deserve credit he has now but BR stated that kobe is a shitty leader

[Giuseppe]

...though Kobe led them to California in June of '10 so as when Artest sighted off the crown of Pierce's gourd, it was in Los Angeles.

Ipso facto, it's why on this Sabbath I'm sittin' here in my jammies, 4 o'clock in the morning at 5-4, Kobe over the tired old shit bag Duncan.

[Koolaid_Man]

^Ty's another one under the protection of I don't know what, but, I ain't crossin' that virtual line.

Cul...let them eat Cake...them be like the Peasants of the 18th century :lol dat hunted down King Louis da XVI and Marie Antoinette...da only difference here is we not French we some bad asses...

My mantra is: "Gain Perspective": Deuteronomy 13:4

Kobe 5
Dallas 1

Kobe 5
Hornets 0

Kobe 5
Heat 0 (at this pace LBJ and Wade won't finish nowhere near 5) :lol

Kobe 5
TOSB 4 ( 4 being set in stone)

[LkrFan]

BR is being disingenuous at best with this thread. I'd love to see TD play with the likes of...

Smush
Kwame Brown
Chris Mihm
Brian Cook
Luke Walton
Inconsistent ass Lamar Odom
67 year old Brian Grant
_erek Fisher
Mike Penberthy
(^from the top of my head)

...and get out of the 1st round against those stacked Phoenix teams. Had Horry not taken out their key players in 07, TD's sitting on 3* tbh.

TD had a stacked team last year. What happened? I'll tell you: 8.

So I'll say this and end mines. If TD couldn't repeat as champion, couldn't beat an 8th seed who tanked for the chance to tap that Spurs ass (and succeeded), how can you clown Kobe for not getting out the 1st round with the list of "NBA" players he had to roll with?

And speaking of repeating, Kobe has done something Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq (and of course TD) never did: repeat as champion without a HOF teammate. What's funny is Pau won nary a playoff game until Kobe took him in and turned him into a 2-time champion.

How you like them truth bombs? :downspin:

[baseline bum]

LOL Kobe getting swept with a stacked team.

[Texas_Ranger]

BR is being disingenuous at best with this thread. I'd love to see TD play with the likes of...

Smush
Kwame Brown
Chris Mihm
Brian Cook
Luke Walton
Inconsistent ass Lamar Odom
67 year old Brian Grant
_erek Fisher
Mike Penberthy
(^from the top of my head)

...and get out of the 1st round against those stacked Phoenix teams. Had Horry not taken out their key players in 07, TD's sitting on 3* tbh.

TD had a stacked team last year. What happened? I'll tell you: 8.

So I'll say this and end mines. If TD couldn't repeat as champion, couldn't beat an 8th seed who tanked for the chance to tap that Spurs ass (and succeeded), how can you clown Kobe for not getting out the 1st round with the list of "NBA" players he had to roll with?

And speaking of repeating, Kobe has done something Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq (and of course TD) never did: repeat as champion without a HOF teammate. What's funny is Pau won nary a playoff game until Kobe took him in and turned him into a 2-time champion.

How you like them truth bombs? :downspin:

Now that's gotta be a joke right?? :rollin

[LkrFan]

Now that's gotta be a joke right?? :rollin

I take it you agree with everything else? :downspin:

:lol

[Fabbs]

Kerby made six shots the other night.

[Giuseppe]

LOL Kobe getting swept with a stacked team.

Before 8 you suffered The Skunker.

You've nary room.

[Sportcamper]

Kobe was like 17 years old when he entered the NBA...

[Jodelo]

Kobe 5
Dallas 1

Kobe: 0
Dallas: 4

Or, Kobe didn't win one time against the Mavs/Dirk. ;) Ask Gasol how it feels (0-8)... :lol

[baseline bum]

Before 8 you suffered The Skunker.

You've nary room.

But getting skunked with homecourt as the title favorites while healthy with a stacked roster? That's a whole 'nother level of skunker tbh.

[Fabbs]

I'm a parrot. I follow what I'm told to follow.http://www.gadgetmadness.com/archives/squawkers-mccaw-robot-parrot.jpg

[ElNono]

Lakerfan going on the defensive, trying to drag TD, Lebron and if they have to, Kardashian into the mud hole that Kerby dug all on his own. No responses on the pathetic record BRHornet posted (factual too). Just kicking, screaming and but but but...

[baseline bum]

LOL @ the idea that Kobe is the only star to ever have a shitty supporting cast. As if Duncan never played with Danny Ferry, Antonio Daniels, and Terry Porter starting, LeBron with Sasha Pavlovic, Boobie Gibson, and Donyell Marshall, DWade with finished Jermaine O'Neal, Carlos Arroyo, and rookie Beasley.

[LkrFan]

LOL @ the idea that Kobe is the only star to ever have a shitty supporting cast. As if Duncan never played with Danny Ferry, Antonio Daniels, and Terry Porter starting, LeBron with Sasha Pavlovic, Boobie Gibson, and Donyell Marshall, DWade with finished Jermaine O'Neal, Carlos Arroyo, and rookie Beasley.

All of those players were better than Kobe's "supporting" cast and you know it - sans Lamar inconsistent ass Odom.

PS - ask any Mav fan if they know what I'm talking bout. :downspin:

[LkrFan]

Lakerfan going on the defensive, trying to drag TD, Lebron and if they have to, Kardashian into the mud hole that Kerby dug all on his own. No responses on the pathetic record BRHornet posted (factual too). Just kicking, screaming and but but but...

:downspin: my shit. :lol

[Man In Black]

Reality Bites!


Won 5 titles as Robin and it's easily debatable that he wasn't the clear-cut Finals MVP on the 2 he was BESTOWED.

What Cully and LALBandwagon need to recognize is that that BR has Best Owned Them all.

It's easy to see, unless of course, you are part of the LAL Bandwagon that likes to circlejerk.

Image pulled from LG.NET>http://forums.lakersground.net/images/smiles/grouphug.gif
It's very rainbow.

[Stalin]

son again how are facts and stats considered "stupidity, butthurt and fanboi nonsense"?

its not my opinion that the Lakers went 121-125 under the leadership of Kobe Bryant, its a fact.

its not my opinion that the Lakers didn't make the playoffs once and got stomped out in the first round twice under the leadership of Kobe Bryant, its a fact.

its not my opinion that after 3+ years of suckassness that Kobe Bryant cried to Stern and the media that he wanted a trade because it was obvious after 3 years he couldn't lead a team even in the prime of his career, its a fact.

its not my opinion that the Lakers immediately hit a 10-game win streak upon Pau Gasol's arrival and became title contenders overnight and have remained that way ever since, its a fact.

how can you argue against any of these facts? these are not opinions son.

take it easy on lakerfan br

[LkrFan]

Let's do a "where are they now?" rendition of Kobe's 2004-2007 supporting cast, shall we?

Smush - NBA exile
Now 85 year old B Grant - TORSB - :king
Mihm - medically retired from getting yoked on - I had high hopes for him - NOT! :lol
Aaron McKie - helped 2011 8 in Gasol deal that killed the Spurs in more ways than one :lol
Laron Profit - Kobe look alike was his contributions :lmao
Tierrable Brown - :lmao
Slava MedMFn Medenko - :lol
Sasha "The Machine" Vujacic - :wow
Devean George - :rollin
Chucky Atkins! - :lol
Kareem the faggot Rush - :downspin:
Jumaine Jones - :blah
92 year old Vlade Divac - the original Charlotte Hornet - :rolleyes


Only a few players are still even in the NBA (stealing paychecks of course):

C Butler - good player. Can't talk shit on him. Never should have traded him. :(
Kwame - stealing GSW money :lol
Luke - stealing LAL money
B Cook - Bench Warmer City - stealing Clip Joint money

And now for the "Marquee Player" in the Shaq Trade: Lamarvelous Odom - Dallas bench warmer. 7.7/4.5/FG: 35.6%. #BALLIN!

Shit. Kobe should receive a Medal of Honor for taking the above stiffs to the playoffs. With Kobe, LO is a 6th man of the year avg. 15/9. Without him, see above numbers (stats don't lie :toast). The only decent player Kobe ever played with after the Shaq trade was Butler. Other than that, he played with a watery shit stained roster. And many fucks on here got the nerve to clown. Carry on though. It's amusing to me. :elephant

[Jodelo]

Does not change the fact that he can't lead a team...

[Stalin]

lakerfan full of excuses today, taking facts causes massive butthurt, it seem

[Giuseppe]

What Cully and LALBandwagon need to recognize is that that BR has Best Owned Them all.

BR has no bootie vested here-a-bouts. He plays fast & loose with house money. Sounds precious but after a half hour if I were him I'd be "embarrassed as a motherfucker."

[Stalin]

BR has no bootie vested here-a-bouts. He plays fast & loose with house money. Sounds precious but after a half hour if I were him I'd be "embarrassed as a motherfucker."

indeed

[ElNono]

tbh, people are harsh. Kobe has been a very dependable and durable second option... Plus unlike Kerr, he can dunk that shit...

Credit where credit is due, tbh

[baseline bum]

tbh, people are harsh. Kobe has been a very dependable and durable second option... Plus unlike Kerr, he can dunk that shit...

Credit where credit is due, tbh


Too much Kobe hate in this thread tbh. He's clearly one of the top supporting players of all-time. He's right there with Kerr and his 5 rings and arguably better than Horry.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

UNCAN:....well, forget about DUNCAN. After our smoking of the pipe of peace the other nite on The Mono Show, I've nothing but love for my fellow Phoenician.

Come ta Pappy, boy.

[LkrFan]

lakerfan full of excuses today, taking facts causes massive butthurt, it seem

Excuses? That's laughable. Other than Butler or LO, who on that shitty roster would have gotten any major burn on a decent team? Meanwhile, look at who Kobe had to roll with:

Smush or Atkins - starters
Kobe
Luke - starter
Cook - starter
Kwame - starter

Results: 1st round exit(s). These stiffs should have to order NBALP rather than start for my Lakers. We were a lucky Tim Thomas 3 away from upsetting the heavily favored suns. Thems be the facts. Neal with it.

Bonus: Let's sub Duncan for Kobe. Now you got:

Smush or Atkins
Sasha Vujacic
Luke
Duncan
Kwame

Would they be contenders? We both know the answer to that one. :lol

:downspin:

[ElNono]

lol sons he led the Lakers to a 121-125 record during the 3 seasons without Shaq. :lol

I knew he was pathetic as a leader, but I didn't realize it was that bad.


***wrecked***

[baseline bum]

Duncan took a starting lineup of old David Robinson, and three completely worthless players in finished Terry Porter, finished Danny Ferry, and never was shit Antonio Daniels to the WCF, lol. Kobe couldn't take a cast with prime Odom and prime Butler to .500.

[ElNono]

***wrecked***

[Jelloisjigglin]

Kobe 5

Duncan 4

tee,hee

[Kindergarten Cop]

Kobe 5

Duncan 4

tee,hee

You signed in under the wrong account.

;)

[Giuseppe]

prime Butler

tee, hee.

[LkrFan]

Duncan took a starting lineup of old David Robinson, and three completely worthless players in finished Terry Porter, finished Danny Ferry, and never was shit Antonio Daniels to the WCF, lol. Kobe couldn't take a cast with prime Odom and prime Butler to .500.

Answer the question bb:

Smush or Atkins
Sasha Vujacic
Luke
Duncan
Kwame

Would they be contenders? We both know the answer to that one. :lol


Terry Porter > Smush or Atkins
Antonio Daniels > Sasha Vujacic
S.E. > Luke
Duncan > LO
Robinson > Kwame

What were you yapping about again? :lol

[Giuseppe]

Duncan took a starting lineup of old David Robinson, and three completely worthless players in finished Terry Porter, finished Danny Ferry, and never was shit Antonio Daniels to the WCF

Congratulations.

Now go back and get your fucking shine box!!!

[baseline bum]

Congratulations.

Now go back and get your fucking shine box!!!

It doesn't really make much sense tbh, as BR is Tommy if you're Billy Batts tbh.

[baseline bum]

Answer the question bb:

Smush or Atkins
Sasha Vujacic
Luke
Duncan
Kwame

Would they be contenders? We both know the answer to that one. :lol


Terry Porter > Smush or Atkins
Antonio Daniels > Sasha Vujacic
S.E. > Luke
Duncan > LO
Robinson > Kwame

What were you yapping about again? :lol

Are you fucking nuts? 2006 Smush Parker was way better than 2001 Terry Porter. Oh man, those 7 points and 3 assists a game were huge. And Ferry's 5 PPG were a monster contribution too. Let me guess though; it was their quick feet on defense that don't show up on the stat sheet, right? Of course that Laker team would have been a contender with Duncan, since the Spurs were contenders starting guys like Ferry, Porter, Jerome Kersey, Antonio Daniels, Chucky Brown, etc.

[Giuseppe]

It doesn't really make much sense tbh, as BR is Tommy if you're Billy Batts tbh.

Uh, oh.

[Giuseppe]

Smush Parker was way better than

Oh, Lord.

[baseline bum]

Tells you how useless Porter was. I know you remember Porter falling on his ass at the end of game 4, and he was a fucking starter in 01.

[LkrFan]

Smush better than Porter. That's a good one bb! Kori should take one of them Spurs from you for posting that shit.:lol

[midnightpulp]

Smush better than Porter. That's a good one bb! :lol

Not prime Terry Porter. But a 38 year old Terry Porter? Definitely.

[LkrFan]

Not prime Terry Porter. But a 38 year old Terry Porter? Definitely.

You should remain a grey Spur fan for posting that shit! :lol

[baseline bum]

Smush Parker's Laker highlight is getting the steal to force OT to take a playoff game against Phoenix. Terry Porter's Spurs highlight is falling on his ass after the ball was inbounded to him. Not a tough call to make at all. Hell, Walton forced the game-winning turnover too that game, so he should get some love from the spoiled Laker fans too.

[LkrFan]

Smush Parker's Laker highlight is getting the steal to force OT to take a playoff game against Phoenix. Terry Porter's Spurs highlight is falling on his ass after the ball was inbounded to him. Not a tough call to make at all. Hell, Walton forced the game-winning turnover too that game, so he should get some love from the spoiled Laker fans too.

Smush was a good athlete. Then again so was Kwame. They both sucked ass. I don't give a shit if Porter was 53 years old - he better than Smush.

No one (that ain't trolling) would ever take Smush over PorterPERIOD.

[midnightpulp]

You should remain a grey Spur fan for posting that shit! :lol

You mean Terry Porter who averaged 3.3 points in a game in the '02 playoffs compared to Smush who averaged 8.9 points in the '06 playoffs?

[baseline bum]

Of course you don't give a shit, since you're a Kobe-sucker who wants to trash everyone around the man in order to build him up. You didn't even address the LeBron comparison, when he took a team to the Finals with his best teammate being scrub-ass Drew Gooden. :lol

[midnightpulp]

Smush was a good athlete. Then again so was Kwame. They both sucked ass. I don't give a shit if Porter was 53 years old - he better than Smush.

No one (that ain't trolling) would ever take Smush over PorterPERIOD.

Lol at faggot Kobefan doing everything in his power to tear down one of Kobe's teammates to prop up his idol. Terry Porter, at 38 years old, was more useless than Smush Parker, who could at least run the length of the floor without needing oxygen.

[ElNono]

Are you fucking nuts? 2006 Smush Parker was way better than 2001 Terry Porter. Oh man, those 7 points and 3 assists a game were huge. And Ferry's 5 PPG were a monster contribution too. Let me guess though; it was their quick feet on defense that don't show up on the stat sheet, right? Of course that Laker team would have been a contender with Duncan, since the Spurs were contenders starting guys like Ferry, Porter, Jerome Kersey, Antonio Daniels, Chucky Brown, etc.

What Lakerfan, and especially Kobefan won't tell you is that Kobe just quit. That elimination game 7 against the Suns when he decided to be the quit team leader is simply the indelible act of a born quitter. It wasn't Smush Parker. It wasn't Butler or Odom. It was Kirby saying the story is going to be me, and I will throw the team and the fans under the bus to get what I want.

Shameful, cowardly act. But that's the leadership you're going to get with Bean.

[baseline bum]

Ship his ass out was more quality KBB leadership. Good thing Kupchack realised snitches make horrible GMs.

[LkrFan]

What Lakerfan, and especially Kobefan won't tell you is that Kobe just quit. That elimination game 7 against the Suns when he decided to be the quit team leader is simply the indelible act of a born quitter. It wasn't Smush Parker. It wasn't Butler or Odom. It was Kirby saying the story is going to be me, and I will throw the team and the fans under the bus to get what I want.

Shameful, cowardly act. But that's the leadership you're going to get with Bean.

He didn't quit. He had like 1,000 points at the half and was still down 60. He tried to get teammates involved and we know the rest. Try again.

[LkrFan]

Lol at faggot Kobefan doing everything in his power to tear down one of Kobe's teammates to prop up his idol. Terry Porter, at 38 years old, was more useless than Smush Parker, who could at least run the length of the floor without needing oxygen.

:lol

[LkrFan]

You mean Terry Porter who averaged 3.3 points in a game in the '02 playoffs compared to Smush who averaged 8.9 points in the '06 playoffs?

6 more pppg = 3 more layups in garbage time. Whoopdedamn doo.

[LkrFan]

Of course you don't give a shit, since you're a Kobe-sucker who wants to trash everyone around the man in order to build him up. You didn't even address the LeBron comparison, when he took a team to the Finals with his best teammate being scrub-ass Drew Gooden. :lol

Yeah, that EC was soooo tough that year. If he was so great, how come the Finals turned into The Skunker!? He shouldn't have been there in the first place.

We know how Kobe does work on the Spurs in the playoffs. Don't make me pull some of Kool's YouTubes as proof. LeHype should take notes. :downspin:

[Giuseppe]

Smush better than Porter. That's a good one bb! Kori should take one of them Spurs from you for posting that shit.:lol

[baseline bum]

Yeah, that EC was soooo tough that year. If he was so great, how come the Finals turned into The Skunker!? He shouldn't have been there in the first place.

We know how Kobe does work on the Spurs in the playoffs. Don't make me pull some of Kool's YouTubes as proof. LeHype should take notes. :downspin:

:rollin

He went through Detroit, who Kobe couldn't beat with 3 Hall of Fame teammates.

[LkrFan]

:rollin

He went through Detroit, who Kobe couldn't beat with 3 Hall of Fame teammates.

Damn. Can't :downspin: that shit. :(

So I'll take solace with this:

Kobe: 5
LeHype: Krispy Kreme Donut

[BRHornet45]

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lol sons what a piece of shit.

glorified, role playing, T-Mac who has been blessed to play on stacked teams his entire career is all he has ever been.

[flipspursfan]

*bump*

lol sons what a piece of shit.

glorified, role playing, T-Mac who has been blessed to play on stacked teams his entire career is all he has ever been.

Just BR laying down truth bombs as per the usual. God bless son. And P.S. the girl in your sig is hot

[scanry]

Preach on son, cause not even Kobe fanatics can come to his rescue. :lol They are beyond mad with his T-Mac defense and ball handling in the closing minutes.

BTW, how are them ticket prices for WCF game 1 & 2?

[Stalin]

br with additional TRUTH BOMBS, preach on son

[Capt Bringdown]

Tells you how useless Porter was. I know you remember Porter falling on his ass at the end of game 4, and he was a fucking starter in 01.

An unforgettable image, unfortunately.

[BRHornet45]

the free throw king Kobe!!!

[Bynumite]

the free throw king Kobe!!!

Work ethic, will, love for the game... what a warrior :cry

[Venti Quattro]

5 rings
2 finals MVPs

What truth bombs!

[Koolaid_Man]

“I don’t give a [fuck] what you say,” Bryant told Yahoo! Sports late Friday. “If I go out there and miss game winners, and people say, 'Kobe choked, or Kobe is seven for whatever in pressure situations.' Well, [fuck] you.



“Because I don’t play for your [fucking] approval. I play for my own love and enjoyment of the game. And to win. That’s what I play for. Most of the time, when guys feel the pressure, they’re worried about what people might say about them. I don’t have that fear, and it enables me to forget bad plays and to take shots and play my game."


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kobe-bryant-embraces-moment--saves-lakers--season-with-game-3-win-over-thunder.html;_ylt=ArvFfqQsncZGqHeB97aceta8vLYF

[VBM]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kobe-bryant-embraces-moment--saves-lakers--season-with-game-3-win-over-thunder.html;_ylt=ArvFfqQsncZGqHeB97aceta8vLYF


“I found it pretty funny, entertaining, that I made a bunch of mistakes down the stretch, mistakes that I normally don’t make,” Bryant said. “So yeah, I ended up laughing at myself. I knew we’d have a chance to get it back.

:lmao If Bynum said that, Kobe'd shoot him on sight...

[BRHornet45]

lol Kobe be mad

[BRHornet45]

http://i45.tinypic.com/33a5uo5.jpg

[BRHornet45]

lol 10 turnovers? seriously? is this real life sons?


but....but....but .... he scored 40 points because he chucked the ball almost 30 times and was given 13 bullshit, free point opportunities by the refs!

[ElNono]

lol 10 turnovers? seriously? is this real life sons?


but....but....but .... he scored 40 points because he chucked the ball almost 30 times and was given 13 bullshit, free point opportunities by the refs!

:cry the flu son, the flu :cry

[midnightpulp]

lol 10 turnovers? seriously? is this real life sons?


but....but....but .... he scored 40 points because he chucked the ball almost 30 times and was given 13 bullshit, free point opportunities by the refs!

Speaking some muthafuckin' truth! Hope you had a blessed and satisfying Thanksgiving, son.

[Clipper Nation]

*bump*

lol sons what a piece of shit.

glorified, role playing, T-Mac who has been blessed to play on stacked teams his entire career is all he has ever been.
Truth bombs.... except, don't insult T-Mac by comparing him to that cocky, stat-padding, shot-jacking, raping, snitching, team-killing, coach-killing, glory-hogging, ballhogging, overrated excuse for a role player...

[scanry]

BR & CN tagteaming.

[Rummpd]

1. HE IS NOT CLUTCH: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

2. He is not efficient as a superstar at least in the range of MJ, LBJ, the Admiral or TD http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html

3. His ego is 2nd to none: http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/09/kobe-says-his-usa-teammates-cant-teach-him-anything-new/

[Clipper Nation]

Once upon a time there was this 17 year old punk ass bitch that was drafted by the Hornets after lying to the Nets that he would go play in Europe if they drafted him. Kobe refused to play for any team but the Lakers so they traded him away for Vlade Divac.

This teenager would go on to outrageous usage rates, role-player rangs, trade demands, and is now a first ballot HOFer on name and hype alone. Meanwhile the Hornets still exist after 2012-2013 season and owned the Lakers by not giving them CP3 and the teenager is now a grown manchild that holds grudges against Smush Parker. This is evidenced by blowing up the teams he plays for. This phenom is now ruining what was thought to be a perennial contender.

Who knows what could have been if that teenage crybaby didn't have Shaq carry him to LA. We will never know. But as a Laker fan, I cry about David Stern and the Hornets' FO everyday.

The End

:toast

fify

[Deuce Bigalow]

1. HE IS NOT CLUTCH: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

2. He is not efficient as a superstar at least in the range of MJ, LBJ, the Admiral or TD http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html

3. His ego is 2nd to none: http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/09/kobe-says-his-usa-teammates-cant-teach-him-anything-new/
1. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204185
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183819&

2. His career TS% is higher than Duncan's.

3. Lame point.

[ElNono]

son, this thread needs revisiting after current events...

[Stalin]

check out this fascinating webpage about kobe i found




http://kobebryantisoverrated.webs.com/

[ElNono]

that page needs an urgent update too, tbh

[Stalin]

that page needs an urgent update too, tbh



true, it paints to favoreable of a picture of kobe bean bryant, IMO TBH

[Johnny RIngo]

2. His career TS% is higher than Duncan's.

Duncan trumps him pretty easily with his playoff TS%.

Regular season TS%:
Kobe: .555
Duncan: .552

Post-season TS%:
Kobe: .541
Duncan: .549

Kobe sees a significant drop in his TS% during the post-season. Pretty embarassing for someone that's supposed to be the best closer in the game.

[irishock]

Duncan>Kobe