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midnightpulp
01-16-2012, 06:48 PM
Great, great article.

First, let’s look at the regularized adjusted +/- (RAPM) for this year alone. There is a decent amount of error when looking at this sample size, but it’s a good starting place. Here are the top 20 players according to the amount of love they got in All-Defensive team votes this year, sorted from best to worst by defensive RAPM:

http://asubstituteforwar.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/defrapm1011.jpg

Below Grant Hill :lmao

But will still make a fuckin' all-defensive team.

Over his career:

http://asubstituteforwar.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/def20apm0311.jpg?w=700&h=357

Is the trend clear? There have been 3 players who’ve dominated the All-Defensive team for the past decade: Bryant, Garnett, and Tim Duncan. Over any extended period, Garnett dominates the list, Duncan is near the top of the list, and Bryant is pretty much at the bottom.

Being at the bottom is visually striking, but it’s actually not that damning in and of itself. If my knock on Kobe was that he was only the 20th best defender in the league on average, this would not be that horrendous of a knock. After all, big men dominate these kind of lists, maybe he’s still one of the top 5 or so perimeter defenders in the game, no?

No. The more damning thing is that every metric I’ve broken down here has Kobe’s defensive impact as utterly average. -0.8, -0.6, 0.1, 0.1, these are not numbers of someone who is consistently a game changer on defense. The other guys given even half the love Kobe’s gotten over the year, pretty consistently do turn up on these metric doing quite well.

http://asubstituteforwar.com/2011/05/09/kobe-bryant-the-most-overrated-defender-imaginable/

Kirk Hinrich level defender! :lmao

Spur_Fanatic
01-16-2012, 06:50 PM
Dude, Kobe when facing a decent G cant defend shit, cause he need all his energy powa to cuck shots after shots, waaaaaha,,..

NewcastleKEG
01-16-2012, 06:50 PM
I've stated plenty of times that Bryant stopped playing defense once Ariza showed up. Then it was Artest. Even on the Shaq teams the Lakers had Rick Fox & George.

Giuseppe
01-16-2012, 06:53 PM
Only pussies & assholes do RAPM.

pass1st
01-16-2012, 06:54 PM
Kobe used to be a good defender, but just stopped putting in the effort a few years ago. Anyways, accolades are awarded to popular players.

DMC
01-16-2012, 06:55 PM
Only pussies & assholes do RAPM.
In case you haven't noticed, your standards mean nothing, since even you don't adhere to them.

midnightpulp
01-16-2012, 06:57 PM
Only pussies & assholes do RAPM.

"Duncan is near the top of the list, and Bryant is pretty much at the bottom."

Zing!

Giuseppe
01-16-2012, 07:00 PM
Only pussies & assholes do RAPM.

midnightpulp
01-16-2012, 07:01 PM
"Duncan is near the top of the list, and Bryant is pretty much at the bottom."

Zing!

Giuseppe
01-16-2012, 07:04 PM
Only pussies and assholes do RAPM.

DeadlyDynasty
01-16-2012, 07:08 PM
asubstituteforwar.com?

Doesn't sound very reliable, tbh. In fact it sounds like one man's libelous campaign against the greatest player of our generation. For shame.

midnightpulp
01-16-2012, 07:11 PM
asubstituteforwar.com?

Doesn't sound very reliable, tbh. In fact it sounds like one man's libelous campaign against the greatest player of our generation. For shame.

"When you can't refute the argument, attack the source."

DeadlyDynasty
01-16-2012, 07:14 PM
"When you can't refute the argument, attack the source."

It's the Republican way, what can I say.

dunkman
01-16-2012, 07:15 PM
Intersting . . .

Koolaid_Man
01-16-2012, 08:03 PM
"When you can't refute the argument, attack the source."

Hey midget....no matter what form of math you like using...addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, trig, geometry, algebra, calculus, one simple fact remains...


5 is greater than 4 :lol

midnightpulp
01-16-2012, 08:12 PM
Hey midget....no matter what form of math you like using...addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, trig, geometry, algebra, calculus, one simple fact remains...


5 is greater than 4 :lol

Rings are team accomplishments, though. Just like:

Manu: 3

Jerry West: 1

:lmao Kirk Hinrich level defender.

DeadlyDynasty
01-16-2012, 08:23 PM
Nothing but fuzzy math in the OP, tbh

Deuce Bigalow
01-16-2012, 08:39 PM
more all-nba defensive 1st teams than duncan :lol u mad?

midnightpulp
01-16-2012, 08:54 PM
more all-nba defensive 1st teams than duncan :lol u mad?

"Duncan is near the top of the list, and Bryant is pretty much at the bottom."

Deuce Bigalow
01-16-2012, 08:54 PM
"Duncan is near the top of the list, and Bryant is pretty much at the bottom."

Does anybody care?

midnightpulp
01-16-2012, 08:56 PM
Does anybody care?

You obviously do since you took the time to reply.

Kirk Hinrich level defender :lol