Luck or RG3?

[dirk4mvp]

Would you want a darkie quarterbacking your favorite professional football team?

[Spursfan092120]

Would you want a darkie quarterbacking your favorite professional football team?

If he's got skills, I don't care what color he is. Would have loved a young Warren Moon on the Cowboys. I'd take RGIII too, to be honest, once he's seasoned.

[dirk4mvp]

Can you be honest and say it's because he's from texas and went to a texas school?

[Goran Dragic]

Who's better, RG3 or Vince Young I saiddddddddddddd

[Goran Dragic]

Tbh I bet 90210 is an outspoken Santorum supporter :lol

[JoeTait75]

Would you want a darkie quarterbacking your favorite professional football team?

After watching Colt McCoy and his noodle arm the last two years, absolutely. I'd trade #4, #22 and any 2013 pick after the first round for the darkie.

Black, white, yellow- as long as it isn't spunky little Colt, I don't care.

[JoeTait75]

Warren Moon was a BOSS. Black QBs should try to emulate him and not Cunningham.

Keep in mind Warren Moon didn't make his NFL debut until he was 28 and had played a bunch of years in Canada. IIRC he was a running QB early in his career in Edmonton or wherever he was playing up there.

Cunningham turned into a pocket passer later in his career too. I don't remember him scrambling very much when he was with the Vikings.

I get what you guys are saying about black quarterbacks but Christ, do you really have to split the fucking atom to play the position? Everyone talks about how smart Colt McCoy is and he sucks balls.

Just give me ability, instincts and a willingness to learn and adjust and I'll roll with it.

[Spursfan092120]

Can you be honest and say it's because he's from texas and went to a texas school?

No...has nothing to do with what school or state he's from...guess you don't watch many college football games, do you? The guy has the accuracy..has the right form...and can run.

[Spursfan092120]

Who's better, RG3 or Vince Young I saiddddddddddddd

One man has never played a game in the NFL...but I'd still take RG3.

[Spursfan092120]

Tbh I bet 90210 is an outspoken Santorum supporter :lol

He's annoying as hell, tbh...hate him.

[Spursfan092120]

Tbh I bet 90210 is an outspoken Santorum supporter :lol

And wtf does me liking RG3 have anything to do with politics? ...you really do have issues.

[Goran Dragic]

That's very unchristian to dislike Santorum.

Jesus would be ashamed of you.

[Goran Dragic]

Keep in mind Warren Moon didn't make his NFL debut until he was 28 and had played a bunch of years in Canada. IIRC he was a running QB early in his career in Edmonton or wherever he was playing up there.

Cunningham turned into a pocket passer later in his career too. I don't remember him scrambling very much when he was with the Vikings.

I get what you guys are saying about black quarterbacks but Christ, do you really have to split the fucking atom to play the position? Everyone talks about how smart Colt McCoy is and he sucks balls.

Just give me ability, instincts and a willingness to learn and adjust and I'll roll with it.

Well, you need mental smarts AND mental toughness. Colt McCoy has the smarts, but like every other UT players, Mack Brown's coddling made him mentally soft. This shoulda been evident when he was in the locker room playing catch with his daddeh during what SHOULD have been the biggest game of his career.

[DPG21920]

Luck is really fast too. Under a 4.6 is really quick.

[Spursfan092120]

That's very unchristian to dislike Santorum.

Jesus would be ashamed of you.

lol racist bigot

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I get what you guys are saying about black quarterbacks but Christ, do you really have to split the fucking atom to play the position?

1/46, JT. 1/46. No starting black qbs in the playoffs this year. One in 2010 (lost in WC game), one in 2009 (lost in WC game). They fucking suck, and the fact that this guy is a Big 12 QB only exacerbates the problem.


No...has nothing to do with what school or state he's from...guess you don't watch many college football games, do you? The guy has the accuracy..has the right form...and can run.

Thanks, Mark May. Don't act like you have any special insight into this player or can offer up any opinion that hasn't been regurgitated by the mothership already.

Here's all you need to know:

-He's taken maybe 5 snaps under center his entire career
-gimmicky, shotgun formation QB
-Played in the Big 12, where QBS have hyper-inflated stats and become garbage pro QBS.

Here's a stat you'll love: No Big 12 QB has ever won a playoff game as a starter. Kordell Stewart beat the Ravens back in 2001 back when it was still the Big 8 (props to Blake for that find), and that's the last one.

So let's recap: He's black, plays in a gimmicky offense, and his conference has done nothing but drop turds at the QB position.



But I'm sure he'll be different...

[Spursfan092120]

So let's recap: He's black, plays in a gimmicky offense, and his conference has done nothing but drop turds at the QB position.



But I'm sure he'll be different...

And I'm sure the conference's consistent failure has everything to do with him as a player and a competitor. Thank you for that ray of intelligence.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

And I'm sure the conference's consistent failure has everything to do with him as a player and a competitor.

It sure as shit does when you run your entire career in the shotgun and play maybe 2 teams who try to play defense a year. Are you really that stupid?

"But he's got a fire inside and he's a competitor!:cry" Yeah, so is everybody else

[Spursfan092120]

It sure as shit does when you run your entire career in the shotgun and play maybe 2 teams who try to play defense a year. Are you really that stupid?

"But he's got a fire inside and he's a competitor!:cry" Yeah, so is everybody else

Sooo....with your ultimate knowledge and unmeasurable football intelligence, you can accurately pick who will and won't be good in the NFL before they even play a down...and insult people who don't have your incredible talents..God..we're so lucky to have the ability to be on the same forum with you...

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Sooo....with your ultimate knowledge and unmeasurable football intelligence, you can accurately pick who will and won't be good in the NFL before they even play a down

When it comes to black QBs, it's an easy assumption to make. History supports my argument. Nothing supports your argument.

Btw, way to skirt the Big 12 point when it got thrown back in your face.

lol thinking the weak defensive conference you play in and gimmicky offense you run doesn't have an effect on your pro prospects.

[Spursfan092120]

When it comes to black QBs, it's an easy assumption to make. History supports my argument. Nothing supports your argument.

Btw, way to skirt the Big 12 point when it got thrown back in your face.

lol thinking the weak defensive conference you play in and gimmicky offense you run doesn't have an effect on your pro prospects.

Never said it hasn't in the past...just saying I think RG3 may be different. Say what you will...and I'll say what I will. I may be wrong..you may be. Truth is, neither of us have any idea. And you say nothing supports my argument, I could say the same about yours. Your basing one person because of his race on others...it's hilarious. One of the most racist things I've ever heard. But you keep fighting the good fight, sir...

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Your basing one person because of his race on others...it's hilarious. One of the most racist things I've ever heard. But you keep fighting the good fight, sir...

Learn to read, you god-fearing mongoloid. His blackness is but one factor in his doomed career. He's a Big 12 QB, only played out of the shotgun, and went against horrible defensive teams week after week. I have to keep repeating this cause that point is simply not getting through to you.

When an entire conference's QB's suck in the pros for damn near 20 years, you should probably take a hint. Now add his unfortunate racial predicament to the picture and the odds are even further stacked against him.

[Goran Dragic]

Ryan Fitzmagic, clearin' out the paint and takin' 90210 to the woodshed.

[Goran Dragic]

The other thing is that while Baylor's receivers aren't world beaters, they were WAAAAAAAAY better than the trash Luck had to throw to at Stanford. Luck also demonstrates the ability to involve multiple tight ends in the passing game, while throwing to the tight end is something the black QB has historically struggled with (like Mike Vick ignoring Brent Celek his entire career in Philly).

[Obstructed_View]

The other thing is that while Baylor's receivers aren't world beaters, they were WAAAAAAAAY better than the trash Luck had to throw to at Stanford. Luck also demonstrates the ability to involve multiple tight ends in the passing game, while throwing to the tight end is something the black QB has historically struggled with (like Mike Vick ignoring Brent Celek his entire career in Philly).

Baylor's receivers were pretty damn good; that's worth mentioning. I don't know anything about Stanford's receiving core, but Baylor's was well above average. Hell, they may end up being better than the receivers Griffin sees in Cleveland. Griffin's ability to hit his receivers in the hands at all points on the field was remarkable, though. I think people will be surprised at how accurate Griffin is when he's in the pros.

All that said, Luck has all the traditional quarterback skills in spades (snicker) and is an outstanding athlete to boot. I'm a huge Baylor homer, but it's completely logical that Luck is the runaway first pick and is likely to be a better pro. I'm not going to say that Griffin can't be a good NFL quarterback, but if you're picking this high in the draft, you're hoping for a guy with hall of fame potential, and that looks more like Luck at the moment.

[JoeTait75]

1/46, JT. 1/46. No starting black qbs in the playoffs this year. One in 2010 (lost in WC game), one in 2009 (lost in WC game). They fucking suck, and the fact that this guy is a Big 12 QB only exacerbates the problem.

Do you think he's going to be better than Colt McCoy, DD?

Because that's all I'm concerned about.

[Warlord23]

As a GM, you go with the probabilities. There is maybe a 10% chance that RG3 may end up being the better player, but nobody's going to take that gamble. Luck is the safe choice.

[Goran Dragic]

Do you think he's going to be better than Colt McCoy, DD?

Because that's all I'm concerned about.
I have a hard time seeing any young QB successful in Cleveland when their receivers are THAT bad. I agree Colt McCoy sucks and should be cut but I wouldn't expect Griffin or Luck for that matter to do anything to turn Cleveland around when Greg Little is their #1 receiver.

[Blake]

FYI, RG3 came in at 6'2 3/8 and 223lbs.

He also confirmed he is an athletic freak...4.4 in the 40 and a 39in vert.

There were also reports that he interviewed very well...no surprise there.

So he's undersized, can run fast and jump high.

Three extremely important qualities an NFL QB should possess tbh

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Do you think he's going to be better than Colt McCoy, DD?

Because that's all I'm concerned about.

He could be, but is it worth trading all those picks to get another Big 12 QB who isn't NFL-ready? Don't forget, the brothas don't fare too well in cold weather either.

[Goran Dragic]

So he's undersized, can run fast and jump high.

Three extremely important qualities an NFL QB should possess tbh
:lmao

The Branch Dividian simply doesn't get it. Wtf does running a fast 40 time have to do with playing the QB position?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I have a hard time seeing any young QB successful in Cleveland when their receivers are THAT bad. I agree Colt McCoy sucks and should be cut but I wouldn't expect Griffin or Luck for that matter to do anything to turn Cleveland around when Greg Little is their #1 receiver.

Gotta agree with this too, JT. Although I think Greg Little has a lot of promise, he's no #1 WR option by a longshot at this point, and Massaquoi and Cribbs aren't either. They're also hurting at RB. Hillis is their best option and he's an injury-prone diva. Hardesty and Ogbonononononononayaya just plain suck.

Don't get me wrong, McCoy sucks too...but RG3 is not going to overcome this team's plethora of holes.

[Goran Dragic]

Or respect someone who quit in the national fucking championship to go play catch with daddeh McCoy

[Trill Clinton]

bottom line, best young qb in the league, Cammy Cam "i fcked ya girl" Newton and the best qb in the draft RG3 Aka "the white girls love me" Aka 'black drew brees' Aka "bitch Please" Robert Griffin. We taken over the qb position baby!

[JoeTait75]

I think it's his voice. How can any man in the NFL respect a QB who sounds like a 12 year old?

He looks like a little kid, too.

You look at the Steelers, they've got this 6'5" horse who's shucking defensive linemen and throwing ropes fifty yards down the field, and meanwhile we've got this little shrimp who looks like the kid from "Malcolm in the Middle."

[JoeTait75]

Gotta agree with this too, JT. Although I think Greg Little has a lot of promise, he's no #1 WR option by a longshot at this point, and Massaquoi and Cribbs aren't either. They're also hurting at RB. Hillis is their best option and he's an injury-prone diva. Hardesty and Ogbonononononononayaya just plain suck.

Don't get me wrong, McCoy sucks too...but RG3 is not going to overcome this team's plethora of holes.

I hear you guys, but at some point you've got to address the QB position regardless of the other holes.

Keep waiting and best case you end up as the '90s Steelers- talent all over the field but they can't win the big one because they're trotting out dogmeat like Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox.

Our receivers do blow, no question about that.

[Obstructed_View]

But the QB problem to be addressed isn't the QB position. The best left tackle in the game can't protect a QB who has to stand there for 15 seconds waiting for one of his scrubs to get open. Griffin won't solve that problem. Luck won't solve that problem. Yeah, Griffin will run, and yeah he's fast and he's courageous, and yeah, he'll get pummeled half to to death before the bye week. Historically, it's not that black QBs don't succeed, it's that run-first QBs don't succeed. Cleveland's receivers will make him a run-for-your-fucking-life QB.

[Trill Clinton]

I hear you guys, but at some point you've got to address the QB position regardless of the other holes.

Keep waiting and best case you end up as the '90s Steelers- talent all over the field but they can't win the big one because they're trotting out dogmeat like Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox.

Our receivers do blow, no question about that.


my boy, elprez, who is a browns fan explains it well.
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[AFBlue]

So he's undersized, can run fast and jump high.

Three extremely important qualities an NFL QB should possess tbh

Not undersized, which was my point. You make it seem as if he's a midget. You also neglected to mention he's not a mental midget; very charismatic and well-spoken, which are important leadership traits.

[Blake]

Not undersized, which was my point. You make it seem as if he's a midget.

Slightly under average is still technically undersized.

I think it's stupid to burn a first round pick on an undersized qb.


You also neglected to mention he's not a mental midget; very charismatic and well-spoken, which are important leadership traits.

Wtf why should I mention that?

I don't give a shit if he's smarter than Stephen fucking Hawking.

Rofl myopic Baylor nut

[BUMP]

I hope RGIII goes to Washington. That'll make a sick Madden team

[JoeTait75]

But the QB problem to be addressed isn't the QB position. The best left tackle in the game can't protect a QB who has to stand there for 15 seconds waiting for one of his scrubs to get open. Griffin won't solve that problem. Luck won't solve that problem. Yeah, Griffin will run, and yeah he's fast and he's courageous, and yeah, he'll get pummeled half to to death before the bye week. Historically, it's not that black QBs don't succeed, it's that run-first QBs don't succeed. Cleveland's receivers will make him a run-for-your-fucking-life QB.

Then they can get the damned receivers later. It's a lot tougher to find a good quarterback than it is to find good receivers. What's the highest round any of Aaron Rodgers's receivers was picked in? Third, in the case of Greg Jennings?

Just get the quarterback. Worry about the rest later.

[Goran Dragic]

When you have a top 5 pick every year (not trying to be a dick just stating reality for Cleveland) then they can have an RG3 type QB every year. It's not like RG3 is some can't miss QB prospect. There are QBs with his potential in the draft every year.

Greg Jennings was a 2nd rounder iirc

[BUMP]

When you have a top 5 pick every year (not trying to be a dick just stating reality for Cleveland) then they can have an RG3 type QB every year. It's not like RG3 is some can't miss QB prospect. There are QBs with his potential in the draft every year.

Greg Jennings was a 2nd rounder iirc

This is a good point tbh

If you're Cleveland you have just as good a chance as RGIII panning out as some middle of the round QB like Jake Locker/Christian Ponder next season.

With the amount of gaps this team has I think they should use it on a skill player who's more likely to succeed

[Goran Dragic]

I think they should make a safe pick or trade down. Nothing is fixing that team overnight.

IMO it was a mistake for them to fire Mangina.

[jjktkk]

Are NFL per. and draft experts over-hyping RGIII? I was looking at one of Mel Kiper's mock drafts, and based on Kiper's take, RGIII seems like a can't miss prospect. This mock draft from Kiper was dated Jan. 18, 2012:

"Griffin made big strides this past season, particularly with his deep accuracy. He is a big-time athlete at the quarterback position but has developed a very good pocket presence and the ability to read the game, and his big arm comes with a nice touch on intermediate throws. He is a leader and has intangibles that should really impress evaluators during the draft process".

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7467078/mel-kiper-first-mock-draft-year

[JoeTait75]

This is a good point tbh

If you're Cleveland you have just as good a chance as RGIII panning out as some middle of the round QB like Jake Locker/Christian Ponder next season.

With the amount of gaps this team has I think they should use it on a skill player who's more likely to succeed

a.) They've tried to make it work with one dogshit, noodle-armed, middle-round QB after another over the last decade (Luke McCown, Charlie Frye, Colt McCoy) and it hasn't worked. QB is a premium position and you have to pay a premium price for one. Rummaging through the bargain bin has gotten them nowhere.

On a personal level, if I have to watch one more low-upside scrub with :cryheart:cry and :crygrit:cry who :cryloves Cleveland:cry I'm going to stick my head in the oven. Enough is enough. Get someone in here who can play. I'm tired of watching Rudy Rutteger play QB for this team.

b.) The biggest gap is at QB. In today's NFL if you don't have one you don't have anything. DoK, the Cardinals went from Kurt Warner to Derek Anderson with roughly the same level of supporting-cast talent. Was there a difference in results or not?

c.) Holmgren can't afford to waste another season with the likes of McCoy. He's 9-23 in two years, 1-11 in the division, and he has the most knee-jerk owner in the league at his back. I honestly don't know if he'll survive another 4-12 season with no solution at QB.

d.) There is no non-QB skill player worth taking in the top five. Not Justin Blackmon. Draft him to play here and keep the QB and he'll average about eight yards per catch and all the fans will be screaming that :cryColt still needs more weapons:cry

I'm not saying RGIII is the alpha and omega of QB prospects but at some point the position needs to be addressed in a serious way. This is as good a year as any.

[Edward]

IMO they can suck for 1 more year and then draft a white QB who actually has a chance at winning a superbowl (like Barkley).

RG3 would suck in Cleveland. IMO this pick should be for a difference maker for them on defense. There's no reason to think RG3 will be any more successful than other black Big 12 QBs.

[Spursfan092120]

Learn to read, you god-fearing mongoloid. His blackness is but one factor in his doomed career. He's a Big 12 QB, only played out of the shotgun, and went against horrible defensive teams week after week. I have to keep repeating this cause that point is simply not getting through to you.

When an entire conference's QB's suck in the pros for damn near 20 years, you should probably take a hint. Now add his unfortunate racial predicament to the picture and the odds are even further stacked against him.

Umm....I guess you don't pay attention. Where in my post did I talk about only race? I said you're basing one player off of others. That means race, conference, style..everything. Say what you want about RG3, but the facts are you have no fucking clue what's going to happen in his NFL career, just like I don't. I'm just saying I think he's got a shot.

[JoeTait75]

IMO they can suck for 1 more year and then draft a white QB who actually has a chance at winning a superbowl (like Barkley).

Barkley is likely to be the #1-rated QB in next year's draft class. He isn't a box of cereal, he won't just be sitting on the shelf available for anyone who wants him.

FWIW, if you want to talk about the bust rate of Big 12 quarterbacks, we can also talk about the bust rate of USC quarterbacks. Aside from Carson Palmer, what USC quarterback has done anything in the NFL?

[Trill Clinton]

Umm....I guess you don't pay attention. Where in my post did I talk about only race? I said you're basing one player off of others. That means race, conference, style..everything. Say what you want about RG3, but the facts are you have no fucking clue what's going to happen in his NFL career, just like I don't. I'm just saying I think he's got a shot.

save your keystrokes, bruh. When deadly is in his anti-black zone, nothing you say will change his mind.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Umm....I guess you don't pay attention. Where in my post did I talk about only race? I said you're basing one player off of others. That means race, conference, style..everything. Say what you want about RG3, but the facts are you have no fucking clue what's going to happen in his NFL career, just like I don't. I'm just saying I think he's got a shot.


Never said it hasn't in the past...just saying I think RG3 may be different. Say what you will...and I'll say what I will. I may be wrong..you may be. Truth is, neither of us have any idea. And you say nothing supports my argument, I could say the same about yours. Your basing one person because of his race on others...it's hilarious. One of the most racist things I've ever heard. But you keep fighting the good fight, sir...

:rollin
Umm....I guess you don't pay attention to the shit takes YOU post.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

save your keystrokes, bruh. When deadly is in his anti-black zone, nothing you say will change his mind.

When I see a black QB succeed consistently on the pro-level I'll change my mind.

Deal?

[Trill Clinton]

When I see a black QB succeed consistently on the pro-level I'll change my mind.

Deal?

Deal. pay attention to cam newton this year:hat

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Barkley is likely to be the #1-rated QB in next year's draft class. He isn't a box of cereal, he won't just be sitting on the shelf available for anyone who wants him.

FWIW, if you want to talk about the bust rate of Big 12 quarterbacks, we can also talk about the bust rate of USC quarterbacks. Aside from Carson Palmer, what USC quarterback has done anything in the NFL?

I hear ya, man...and I generally agree with most of your posts in this thread. In the NFL the haves and have-nots are separated by good QB's--but I think you're just desperate to get anything as good as mediocre at QB--like Bills, Dolphins, and Redskins fans feel. But mortgaging all those picks for a guy who's so not-ready for the NFL and comes from a conference and offensive system (and race) chock fulla failure, you have to have a logical perspective when assessing it.

Not to mention he'd be going up against the Steelers and Ravens defenses, as well as an up-and-coming Bengals D. He's going to get destroyed in that division.


As for your other point, USC QB's--although unspectacular--have accomplished more than Big 12 QB's. Cassel isn't great by any stretch, but he did have 27/7 in 2010, and would've won the division this year if not for injuries to 2 of his 3 biggest weapons, as well as his own injuries. That division sucked ass. Sanchez is not much else either, but he's 4-2 in the playoffs in 3 seasons, including wins over Palmer, Rivers, Manning, and Brady (all on the road). In 2010 he played great in the postseason.

Big 12 QB's have a bust rate of 100%.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Deal. pay attention to cam newton this year:hat

I like Cam, Trill. He became more of a runner later in the year, but after he established that he's got a gun and is willing to stand in the pocket. I hope he succeeds cause he's a nice guy, but teams now have a year of film on him and he's in a division with 2 teams that are clearly better than them.

[Goran Dragic]

Cam Newton stat whored on a bad team. Most overrated rookie ever. How bout he actually leads his team to a winning record before he's crowned the great black hope.

[Trill Clinton]

Cam Newton stat whored on a bad team. Most overrated rookie ever. How bout he actually leads his team to a winning record before he's crowned the great black hope.

:lol

He did pretty good for a black qb, though. A lot better than sorry ass jimmy clausen.

[Goran Dragic]

:lol black QB > Notre Dame QB

These are tings that we know!


This is why Charlie Weis is the best QB coach of all time, he made Brady Quinn and Jimmy Claussen both look like they belong in the NFL.

[JoeTait75]

IAs for your other point, USC QB's--although unspectacular--have accomplished more than Big 12 QB's. Cassel isn't great by any stretch, but he did have 27/7 in 2010, and would've won the division this year if not for injuries to 2 of his 3 biggest weapons, as well as his own injuries. That division sucked ass. Sanchez is not much else either, but he's 4-2 in the playoffs in 3 seasons, including wins over Palmer, Rivers, Manning, and Brady (all on the road). In 2010 he played great in the postseason.

I'm playing Devil's advocate a little bit here, tbh. I like Matt Barkley a lot, actually.

My problem is that there's this notion- at least among Browns fans- that Barkley will be there for the taking next year. I hear it all the time: "Let's give Colt another year and go out and get Barkley next year."

Thing is, if there's one team in front of you in the 2013 Draft, and they're dead-set on a QB, you're not getting Matt Barkley. Good chance you won't have the means or the opportunity to "go get him."

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

That's a fair point, but I'm still not sold on the theory of trading up now to get "anybody but Colt."

Also, going into next year how many teams can you say are clearly worse than the Browns? In the AFC I can only think of the Jags, but they just drafted a QB (although he sucks) and will probably wait till he gets receivers around him before giving up. The Bills are the only other team in the AFC with a chance to suck as bad as those two.

In the NFC you have Washington, Minnesota, TB, STL, and Seattle to contend with. Minnesota just drafted a QB, Freeman crashed back down to earth but he's still young, and the Rams are either going to draft RG3, or keep Bradford and accumulate picks (that would be the better move). Assuming the teams who just drafted QB's stick with their guys, I think Washington, Buffalo, and Seattle are your main competition for him. Are the Browns better than any of those teams? Maybe Washington...

[Goran Dragic]

I'd say Washington, Tampa and Seattle will all be better than Cleveland. I can't honestly think of a team that looks worse than Cleveland right now.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Seattle will probably be better. They have an underrated and solid young D, and they have an above average WR corps, TE, and RBs:

Sidney Rice
Mike Williams
Doug Baldwin (up and comer)
Golden Tate (decent as a #4)
Zach Miller at TE
Marshawn Lynch at RB.

They would be a good team with even a solid QB, over Jigaboo Jackson

Washington and Tampa both play in tough divsions too though. TB had a bunch of injuries last year, but they're ceiling is probably 7-8 wins from here on out. Still, better than Cleveland.

As far as Washington, I think this is the team that will trade the house to get RG3, unless they can land Peyton. Washington just flat out sucks. Every year they start off 3-1 or 4-2, then lose 7 of their next 8.

[Goran Dragic]

Yeah, starting off 3-1 or 4-2 is a good enough start to end up with a better record than Cleveland.

[JoeTait75]

St. Louis went 2-14 this past season and still didn't get the top overall pick, fwiw.

[Goran Dragic]

I think Cleveland has 2-14 potential, possibly 1-15, if they trot out the same retarded idea of trying to run a west coast offense with that personnel.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Schedules aren't out yet, but here are the Browns opponents in 2012:

Home:

Steelers, L
Ravens, L
Bengals, L
Chiefs, ?
Chargers, L
Bills, W
Eagles, L
Redskins, W

Away:

Steelers, L
Ravens, L
Bengals, L
Giants, L
Cowboys, L
Broncos, L
Raiders, L
Colts, L

Holy hell what an unforgiving road schedule.

3-13 tops, imo

[Spursfan092120]

:rollin
Umm....I guess you don't pay attention to the shit takes YOU post.

You're still a racist fuck..doesn't change a thing. Dress it up however you want, you think this guy won't succeed as a QB because he's black.

[BUMP]

Black or not, I just don't see what makes Griffin so much more special than other run first QB's in draft history other than the fact that he put up huge numbers in a gimmicky system

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You're still a racist fuck..doesn't change a thing. Dress it up however you want, you think this guy won't succeed as a QB because he's black.

Yeah, I woulda gone back to calling me a racist too if i had just eaten my words:lol

tbh him being black gives him a slight chance at success due to 1/46.

Being a Big 12 QB is the coup de grace though, as they have a 100% NFL bust rate.

Don't get mad Brannon...1 for 46 and 0 & forever are just statistics. I'm sure RG3 will buck both those trends though because he's smart, has faith, and loves his mama.

[Spursfan092120]

Yeah, I woulda gone back to calling me a racist too if i had just eaten my words:lol

tbh him being black gives him a slight chance at success due to 1/46.

Being a Big 12 QB is the coup de grace though, as they have a 100% NFL bust rate.

Don't get mad Brannon...1 for 46 and 0 & forever are just statistics. I'm sure RG3 will buck both those trends though because he's smart, has faith, and loves his mama.

I'm not saying he's going to make it...I'm saying I think he can. And I'm also saying that the fact that he's black means jack shit, that's all.

[JoeTait75]

Schedules aren't out yet, but here are the Browns opponents in 2012:

Home:

Steelers, L
Ravens, L
Bengals, L
Chiefs, ?
Chargers, L
Bills, W
Eagles, L
Redskins, W

Away:

Steelers, L
Ravens, L
Bengals, L
Giants, L
Cowboys, L
Broncos, L
Raiders, L
Colts, L

Holy hell what an unforgiving road schedule.

3-13 tops, imo

Sucks they're not playing Buffalo. What are we going to do without the Browns and Bills meeting in a game that sets the sport back three decades? :lol

[Goran Dragic]

um doesn't it say they are playing buffalo....?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Sucks they're not playing Buffalo. What are we going to do without the Browns and Bills meeting in a game that sets the sport back three decades? :lol


um doesn't it say they are playing buffalo....?

Yeah, the Bills travel to Cleveland this year...I'm sure tickets will be real pricey for det one:lol

That 2010 meeting was a classic. 10-6 iirc.

[AFBlue]

Black or not, I just don't see what makes Griffin so much more special than other run first QB's in draft history other than the fact that he put up huge numbers in a gimmicky system

Except that he's not a run-first QB. He's a (very accurate) passer that can run.

[JoeTait75]

um doesn't it say they are playing buffalo....?

Yup, missed it. I was too busy staring in horror at the games against the Giants, Eagles, Steelers, Ravens, etc.

[Goran Dragic]

Philly made it clear they can beat anybody and lose to anybody (they're a shining example of why you don't want a black QB). I wouldn't be surprised of Cleveland beat them :lol

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You can always count on the Giants to inexplicably lose to some crappy team at home every year, so don't count them as an L just yet

[BUMP]

tbh do the Browns play Dallas in December or any other month?

[JoeTait75]

tbh do the Browns play Dallas in December or any other month?

Cleveland is exactly the kind of team Romo shines against, tbh.

[Samuel Eto'o]

Historically, it's not that black QBs don't succeed, it's that run-first QBs don't succeed.

Sup bro just wondering why almost all black qbs are run-first? Could someone help me out here pls

[Goran Dragic]

:lol I missed that one from Obstructed Deuce


Historically, it's not black QBs who suck, just QBs who enjoy a pregame meal of KFC, watermelon and grape drink.

[AFBlue]

Slightly under average is still technically undersized.

I think it's stupid to burn a first round pick on an undersized qb.



Wtf why should I mention that?

I don't give a shit if he's smarter than Stephen fucking Hawking.

Rofl myopic Baylor nut

A half-inch (without shoes) and two pounds isn't undersized. And the reason you don't want to mention his intelligence is because it's a positive trait that translates well to the NFL.

[Goran Dragic]

Since when has a black QB had intelligence that translates well to the NFL? Especially ones who decide to live in the city that David Koresh lived in.

[Spursfan092120]

Since when has a black QB had intelligence that translates well to the NFL? Especially ones who decide to live in the city that David Koresh lived in.

racist fuck

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1008/nfl.best.players.by.jersey.number.00-49/images/01-warren-moon.jpg

[Goran Dragic]

I have as many superbowls as Warren Moon

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

The irony of Brannon calling somebody else a racist never gets old, especially since 2 of his heroes (W, Toby Keith) are some of the most racist motherfuckers on the planet.

[JoeTait75]

I have as many superbowls as Warren Moon

Can't put the Oilers playoff failures on Warren Moon, imo. That was a horribly coached, mentally retarded football team aside from the QB.

[benefactor]

Can't put the Oilers playoff failures on Warren Moon, imo. That was a horribly coached, mentally retarded football team aside from the QB.
You sir, are correct. I still have the urge to hit Kevin Gilbride with a 2x4 every time I see his face on TV.

[JoeTait75]

You sir, are correct. I still have the urge to hit Kevin Gilbride with a 2x4 every time I see his face on TV.

They fired Jerry Glanville basically for being an idiot and replaced him with Jack Pardee. Glanville looked like Paul Brown compared to Pardee.

[benefactor]

The whole thing was a shit sandwich. That team had some ridiculous offensive talent. But Houston football knows how to piss good opportunities away. Maybe they'll finally get it right next year.

[Spurs da champs]

RG3 is all HYPE!

[AFBlue]

RG3 is all HYPE!

Disagree. He's legit.

[Blake]

Can't put the Oilers playoff failures on Warren Moon, imo. That was a horribly coached, mentally retarded football team aside from the QB.

Yeah, I think you can put some blame on Moon for playoff failures.

[Pelicans78]

You can put some blame on Moon, but the defense always choked as well when it counted especially against Buffalo and Denver, not to mentioning letting a 45 year old Joe Montana pick them apart in their own stadium.

[Pelicans78]

If I was Cleveland, I would definitely trade to get RGIII. He will make them competent for many years and not likely to bust, especially since most of the 1st round QBs since 2004 have panned out. Its easier for QBs to succeed in this league and I'm sure he will as well.

[Bigzax]

RGIII is coming to Washington. Bank it. :toast

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

RGIII is coming to Washington. Bank it. :toast

Giants, Eagles, and Cowboys (except Brannon) fans hope you are right

[Bigzax]

No it's cool Ryan, Washington knows how to win a Superbowl with a black QB. No worries.

[dirk4mvp]

Is Toby Keith the only music artist ever to whore 2 totally different things (an american tragedy and college party lifestyle) to make himself rich?

BKZqGJONH68&ob

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Disagree. He's legit.

says Baylor alum

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

No it's cool Ryan, Joe Gibbs knows how to win a Superbowl with a black QB. No worries.

fify

Having studs like Gary Clark and Art Monk at WR, one of the best OL's ever, and a RB who rushed for over 200 yds in that SB didn't hurt either.

[Bigzax]

Can't argue with you except to say that you left out Ricky Sanders as the stud wideout of that SB. :lol

We'll see what Shanny and his boy can do. Washington is building the OL and will get a FA or two and expects to get a FA WR as well. All part of the rebuilding process but we haven't had a franchise QB in over 20 years so we're due. There's bust potential but you gotta take a shot sometime. Kid seems like a good prospect.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

crofl forgot about Sanders...It was either 87 or 88 where Washington had 3 1000-yd receivers...det team had some weapons for sure:lol

I think RG3 is certified bust material, and Washington should make a run for Peyton. Santana Moss is getting older but still has great speed. If Hankerson can stay healthy he'll be damn good too. Add TE's Cooley and Davis (sans-roids) and it's a perfect fit for Manning. He loves utilizing the TE, and black qb's are allergic to TE's.

[Goran Dragic]

lol Washington
lol BigSnax
lol MannyIsGod
lol n!ggerbear

lol talking shit after they start 3-1 then disappearing for the rest of the season

[Bigzax]

crofl forgot about Sanders...It was either 87 or 88 where Washington had 3 1000-yd receivers...det team had some weapons for sure:lol

I think RG3 is certified bust material, and Washington should make a run for Peyton. Santana Moss is getting older but still has great speed. If Hankerson can stay healthy he'll be damn good too. Add TE's Cooley and Davis (sans-roids) and it's a perfect fit for Manning. He loves utilizing the TE, and black qb's are allergic to TE's.


Well I see what you are saying but I hope you are wrong cuz I think our owner has his weee little heart set on him and has given the green light to trade whatever is necessary to get him in burgandy and gold next season.

I wouldn't mind Peyton, but that nerve that may or may not regenerate giving him back his arm strength is a major concern.

And yes, we think Hankerson can be a player if he can stay healthy and Davis got busted for toking along with our stud LT trent williams. they both got suspended the last four games of the year. They might franchise davis to give him a one year deal to make him prove his worth and his ability to stay clean. The one that may be on hgh is laron landry. he's pushing 254 and his arm is bigger than his head and he has a massive upper body. he's a fa, but his problem is he has a bad achilles and bone spurs too and refuses to get surgery so it's a problem thats not going to go away. he'll likely walk. i wish him luck. oh what could have been with him and sean taylor.....what could have been...

[jjktkk]

crofl forgot about Sanders...It was either 87 or 88 where Washington had 3 1000-yd receivers...det team had some weapons for sure:lol

I think RG3 is certified bust material, and Washington should make a run for Peyton. Santana Moss is getting older but still has great speed. If Hankerson can stay healthy he'll be damn good too. Add TE's Cooley and Davis (sans-roids) and it's a perfect fit for Manning. He loves utilizing the TE, and black qb's are allergic to TE's.

If ever a black qb has a chance to break the stereotype, RGIII seems like the ideal candidate to do so, imo. And as far as black qbs allergic to TE's, without looking it up, it seemed that Cam had success last year, throwing to Shockley and Olsen.

[Trill Clinton]

I pray to Allah that RG3 doesn't go to the deadskins. Not that I don't want to see him against the Cowboys, but the deadskins organization is a cancer. RG3 needs to be in a positive environment.

[BUMP]

Personally, if I was the Giants, Cowboys, or Eagles you have to figure the Skins are gonna get a QB somehow so you just hope it's RGIII instead of Manning. Peyton in Washington would make them division favorites right away.



lol talking shit after they start 3-1 then disappearing for the rest of the season

:lmao

[BUMP]

Cam had success last year, throwing to Shockley and Olsen.

tbh other than those two, it's Steve Smith and a pile of shit at WR, so not sure if Newton had any other choice imho

[jjktkk]

I pray to Allah that RG3 doesn't go to the deadskins. Not that I don't want to see him against the Cowboys, but the deadskins organization is a cancer. RG3 needs to be in a positive environment.

If thats the case, I hope RGIII does go to the Skins. :lol

[JoeTait75]

RGIII is coming to Washington. Bank it. :toast

Probably. Cleveland holds all the cards, but this regime is too pussy to make any kind of bold move whatsoever.

So the Browns will stand pat, draft more non-skill players and it'll be another year of :crygritty, tough little Colt:cry

[jjktkk]

tbh other than those two, it's Steve Smith and a pile of shit at WR, so not sure if Newton had any other choice imho

tbh, that sounds very similar to the Pats offense, not that Newton is nowhere near a Tom Brady.

[JoeTait75]

tbh other than those two, it's Steve Smith and a pile of shit at WR, so not sure if Newton had any other choice imho

That's funny, Browns fans love to downgrade Cam's rookie performance by talking about all the talent he had to work with in Carolina. I have to check to make sure they're not talking about the 1992 Cowboys instead of a team that went 6-26 the previous two seasons before last year.

[Spursfan092120]

Disagree. He's legit.

[Spursfan092120]

The irony of Brannon calling somebody else a racist never gets old, especially since 2 of his heroes (W, Toby Keith) are some of the most racist motherfuckers on the planet.

heroes? lol...I like a few of Keith's songs and I don't have a problem with W...wasn't one of the best presidents, but he's who we voted for. But I am curious as to how either of them are racist...this ought to be good. Especially coming from your bigot ass.

:corn:

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

heroes? lol...I like a few of Keith's songs and I don't have a problem with W...wasn't one of the best presidents, but he's who we voted for. But I am curious as to how either of them are racist...this ought to be good. Especially coming from your bigot ass.

:corn:

Bush ignored the Gulf after Katrina, and as for Toby Keith...

I'm sure Beer for my Horses is one of your favs:lol


Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked that he done
Take all the rope in Texas
Find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys
Hang them high in the street for all the people to see that

[Goran Dragic]

:lmao

[BUMP]

:lol

I actually think (out of all his realistic destinations) Washington is the best place for him. If they still had Zorn or any other revolving door type coach who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, then I'd think otherwise. However, Shanahan actually knows what he's doing and his offense is perfect for mobile quarterbacks.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

:lolI'm sure grandpappy's original quote didn't say "bad boys" either.

[Spursfan092120]

Bush ignored the Gulf after Katrina, and as for Toby Keith...

I'm sure Beer for my Horses is one of your favs:lol

:lmao idiot...the song was recorded for a movie...the "bad boy" was white. And like I said...he wasn't the best president we had..but in case your racist ass didn't know, white people live in Louisiana too.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

:lmao idiot...the song was recorded for a movie...the "bad boy" was white. And like I said...he wasn't the best president we had..but in case your racist ass didn't know, white people live in Louisiana too.

Is that why the song came out 5 years before the movie?:lmao

[Goran Dragic]

If he didnt reveal personally identifiable information (Brannon, sister wife, etc.) I'd be convinced 90210 is a T-Park troll. They both have the same right wing Christian generic views on everything, like when they call people bigots for making jokes on a sports forum when they vote for racist politicians and listen to racist music :lol

[Goran Dragic]

Is that why the song came out 5 years before the movie?:lmao
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[MavDynasty]

:lmao

[Spursfan092120]

Is that why the song came out 5 years before the movie?:lmao

You really think the script of that movie wasn't already written? You're an idiot. :lmao

[Goran Dragic]

You really think the script of that movie wasn't already written? You're an idiot. :lmao
They write scripts to movies 5 years in advance? lol

[MavDynasty]

They write scripts to movies 5 years in advance? lol

:lmao it never ends

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You really think the script of that movie wasn't already written? You're an idiot. :lmao

:lmaothis is too good, even for you. Yes, I'm sure they started working on the soundtrack in pre-production FIVE YEARS BEFORE THE MOVIE WAS MADE.

Just give up on life, Brannon:rollin

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

They write scripts to movies 5 years in advance? lol

:lmao
It's obviously a heavy duty script/production like Schindler's List or Star Wars, so "Beer For My Horses" was a gem that took 5 years to come to fruition.

[Goran Dragic]

:lmao
It's obviously a heavy duty script/production like Schindler's List or Star Wars, so "Beer For My Horses" was a gem that took 5 years to come to fruition.
:lmao

[Spursfan092120]

:lmaothis is too good, even for you. Yes, I'm sure they started working on the soundtrack in pre-production FIVE YEARS BEFORE THE MOVIE WAS MADE.

Just give up on life, Brannon:rollin

lol racist bigots who dislike people because they're racist...You're hilarious. I can't believe a poser jackass who has to pretend to be someone else because he's not comfortable in his own skin is actually insulting me and thinking I care enough to "give up on life." Some of you people are so hilarious...

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

lol racist bigots who dislike people because they're racist

Glad you finally admit he's a racist:lol

[Spursfan092120]

Glad you finally admit he's a racist:lol

Good God you're an idiot...now I see why you wouldn't want people to know who you are.

[Spursfan092120]

Oh..and by the way..takes a real racist to think only black people were hung and only black people were affected by Katrina. Keep fighting the good fight, sir.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Oh..and by the way..takes a real racist to think only black people were hung and only black people were affected by Katrina. Keep fighting the good fight, sir.

...and it gets even better.

Yes, I'm sure grandpappy talking about the good ol' days of stringing up "bad boys" in the Jim Crow South had to do with other people:rollin

[Toby Keith]

Dammit I can't wait to hang one of those nig....

*Oh shit 90210's here*

"American giiiiirrrrrlllllllls...American boooooooyyyyyyyysssssss....Lend me your haaaaaand in this troubled tiiiiime!"

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

:lmao
:lmao
:lmao

[Goran Dragic]

...and it gets even better.

Yes, I'm sure grandpappy talking about the good ol' days of stringing up "bad boys" in the Jim Crow South had to do with other people:rollin
Yeah lol, I'm sure Toby Keith was talking about all the white people "grandpappy" was lynching in the South :lmao

[Goran Dragic]

Dammit I can't wait to hang one of those nig....

*Oh shit 90210's here*

"American giiiiirrrrrlllllllls...American boooooooyyyyyyyysssssss....Lend me your haaaaaand in this troubled tiiiiime!"
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Spursfan092120]

...and it gets even better.

Yes, I'm sure grandpappy talking about the good ol' days of stringing up "bad boys" in the Jim Crow South had to do with other people:rollin

Keep fighting the good fight..like I said...I thought people got banned for racism on this forum now...

[the plane ride]

My flight from Boston into the side of a national monument was so quiet, you could hear a Toby Keith single drop!

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

My flight from Boston into the side of a national monument was so quiet, you could hear a Toby Keith single drop!

:lmao

[Bill_Brasky]

my flight from boston into the side of a national monument was so quiet, you could hear a toby keith single drop!

potd

[dirk4mvp]

This is getting worse than his performance in the teams that have more sb's than the Colts thread.

[benefactor]

This is getting worse than his performance in the teams that have more sb's than the Colts thread.
I don't know that he'll ever be able to top that. Between the salary/studio smack and him tell J.T. he was going to kick his ass that thread was just on a completely different level. It's up there with "lol" and "hottest clubber."

[midnightpulp]

lol at the last few pages of this thread. DD with some epic work.

[Trill Clinton]

RG3 took another step forward in his future HOF career by impressing NFL coaches and scouts at his pro day.

[Goran Dragic]

How did he do that? Did he score more than 15/50 on his wonderlic test?

[manufan10]

@McShay13: Robert Griffin III tore it up today. Pro day passing sessions don't mean much but I love how he's attacking the process...

[Huey Freeman]

RG3 took another step forward in his future HOF career by impressing NFL coaches and scouts at his pro day.

Sorry to share this news to ya brah. Redskins are gonna pick em. His career is doomed imo :depressed

[Trill Clinton]

Sorry to share this news to ya brah. Redskins are gonna pick em. His career is doomed imo :depressed


Huey, my nigga u been following the trayvon martin story?


RG3 going to the skins doesn't look good at all but I think he's gonna make them competitive again.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

@McShay13: Robert Griffin III tore it up today. Pro day passing sessions don't mean much

.

[Pelicans78]

McShay was all over Jamarcus Russell's nuts after his pro day.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

:lolDwight Howard is the Black Kevin Love

could do a whole show on nothing but O_V's takes and it would be gold.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

McShay was all over Jamarcus Russell's nuts after his pro day.

I bet Mel Kiper reminds him of that too. McShay actually makes me hate Kiper less--he that's much of a douche

[manufan10]

:lolDwight Howard is the Black Kevin Love

could do a whole show on nothing but O_V's takes and it would be gold.

:lmao

[manufan10]

Irsay: Luck is not a lock for Colts:



"It's up in the air. We have to look at this thing completely open-minded. You have two outstanding athletes, two great pure passers, two guys from families that are incredible ... If we get to the point where we're going to negotiate early, get something done before the draft, you never rule that out. We've talked to both agents. We haven't negotiated yet.''

Read More (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/irsay-luck-not-lock-colts-1-153001846.html)

[The Franchise]

Listen Sambo, I'm not one for grammatical correction, but you keep fucking up the tense of this word..."that HAVE failed miserably." Don't type it like you speak it, type it correctly.

On to your point...Being athletic at the LB position is more important in today's NFL--combine it with smarts and you have a beast (Lewis, Willis, etc)...unless of course you're legally retarded like Lavar Arrington.

You can't develop the mental capacity of a player---either thay have it or they don't. Either you can grasp 500+ plays, audibles, and can read a defense, or you can't.

Prejudice Prick.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Prejudice Prick.

But a correct one, rocketfan

[The Franchise]

But a correct one, rocketfan

As long as you believe it, yes.

[DeadlyDynasty]

As long as you believe it, yes.

If you have evidence to the contrary I'm all ears.

[Chief Brody]

lol

[KoolAid Mans Brother]

:lmao JayTheClown

[The Reckoning]

philip rivers

[Chief Brody]

Maybe there's a reason we've only seen "13 Black Franchise QBs," ever think of that? There's been a shit-ton of them in college over the last 15 years, but the VAST majority can't hack it in the pros.

Is that racist, or just a fact?

Cam Newton shows promise, but let's see what he does now that teams have a year of game-film on him. Josh Freeman completely shit the bed after his one good year.

Michael Vick is an unreliable starting QB--he barely gets through 10 games a year b/c instead of staying in the pocket, the african in him takes over and starts running, resulting in injury.

Until Black QBs can win on a consistent basis--and win championships--then give me the white guy.
prophetic

[Chief Brody]

Gotta love the deathblow from Collinsworth last night: "RG3 is a one-read QB." :rollin

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Gotta love the deathblow from Collinsworth last night: "RG3 is a one-read QB." :rollin

:lmao I noticed that too.

[Chief Brody]

He'll always have that ROY trophy though--which--along with 88 playoff passing yards he can look back on fondly when he retires with no ACLs before 2020.

[Pelicans78]

Gotta love the deathblow from Collinsworth last night: "RG3 is a one-read QB." :rollin

I was too depressed to watch the game after what transpired an hour earlier, but that has to be one of the worst things anyone can say about a QB. That's like saying he's reading at a Phonics level.

[Chief Brody]

I was too depressed to watch the game after what transpired an hour earlier, but that has to be one of the worst things anyone can say about a QB. That's like saying he's reading at a Phonics level.
:lolI had to double-take when he said it. Collinsworth is usually annoying but dude was on point last night. He even called the Romo interception seconds before it happened.

[jeebus]

:lmao JayTheClown
:lmao

I just reread the first page and JaytheFaggot is about as smart as a retard's pubic hair. the black panthers were wrong about Cletus

[Chief Brody]

Just read through this thread again...I forgot all about Creepn defending Jamarcus Russell "for not getting a fair shot.":lmao:lmao

Black people, they're here for our entertainment.

[The Reckoning]

philip rivers

[AchillesHeel]

Luck

/thread.

[spurraider21]

Just read through this thread again...I forgot all about Creepn defending Jamarcus Russell "for not getting a fair shot.":lmao:lmao

Black people, they're here for our entertainment.
:lmao people actually defend JaWalrus? :lmao

[spurraider21]

RG3 is an accurate, poised QB with the ability to run, but doesn't like to.
:lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

So many great takes from Team Black in this thread...

[Bill_Brasky]

:lmao it only took one year for this question to be proven rhetorical

fuckin idiots. I like rg3 but there's no question now.

[KoolAid Mans Brother]

So many great takes from Team Black in this thread...

:lmao Team Black avoiding this thread bump like the plague

[bigzak25]

RG3 won rookie of the year. Division Championship. Round 1, RG3.

This season ain't over. Round 2, TBD.

[spurraider21]

if by some divine miracle Luck was black and RG3 was white (but they played the same way) they'd have chosen Luck. :lol racists

[spurraider21]

:lmao Luck turned around the 2-14 colts into an 11-5 team and didn't exactly have a run game to take pressure off, which is something pretty much all other young qb's have had when they are successful (Ryan with Turner, Flacco with Rice, Tannehill with Bush, Wilson with Lynch, etc. RG3 had Alfred Morris who was the NFL's second leading rusher. The Skins went from 5-11 to 10-6. Luck spearheaded a 9 game turnaround, RG3 was in charge of a 5 game turnaround.

[Creepn]

:lmao Team Black avoiding this thread bump like the plague

Huh? Why would "team black" be scared of this thread? This thread was created last season and RG3 straight dominated Luck last season so I don't know why yall are bumping this thread. It only shows how wrong you guys were.

I would still start my franchise team with RG3 without a doubt.

[spurraider21]

Huh? Why would "team black" be scared of this thread? This thread was created last season and RG3 straight dominated Luck last season so I don't know why yall are bumping this thread. It only shows how wrong you guys were.

I would still start my franchise team with RG3 without a doubt.
he predictably dominated Luck in rushing yards and tore up his ACL as a result. Kudos

[Creepn]

he predictably dominated Luck in rushing yards and tore up his ACL as a result. Kudos

He had a better passer rating and less interceptions as well. He was all around better than Luck last season. There's a reason why he's rookie of the year over Luck. This season is still early so we'll see. Also Colts tanked that year with talent like Reggie Wayne but RG3 made a mediocre Redskins team relevent.

[spurraider21]

He had a better passer rating and less interceptions as well. He was all around better than Luck last season. There's a reason why he's rookie of the year over Luck. This season is still early so we'll see. Also Colts tanked that year with talent like Reggie Wayne but RG3 made a mediocre Redskins team relevent.
Option offense. One-read then take off and run. Easy to minimize interceptions. Luck didnt have the luxury of a 1400 yard rusher, so more picks are expected. Is Russell Wilson a better qb than luck too? Lol

[Chief Brody]

He had a better passer rating and less interceptions as well. He was all around better than Luck last season. There's a reason why he's rookie of the year over Luck. This season is still early so we'll see. Also Colts tanked that year with talent like Reggie Wayne but RG3 made a mediocre Redskins team relevent.
He's great at throwing dumpoffs, slants, and screens...can't take that away from him. Much like his playoff performance, where he didn't complete a pass over 11 yards:lmao

Meanwhile, Luck torched Sherman and Browner, and the entire Legion of Boom enroute to victory.

[Creepn]

Option offense. One-read then take off and run. Easy to minimize interceptions. Luck didnt have the luxury of a 1400 yard rusher, so more picks are expected. Is Russell Wilson a better qb than luck too? Lol
Has Russell killed a wide open hall of famer receiver in the open field? Nuff said. :lmao

[spurraider21]

Has Russell killed a wide open hall of famer receiver in the open field? Nuff said. :lmao
I'm a fan of Russell Wilson. barking up the wrong tree. but he's no luck

[Creepn]

I'm a fan of Russell Wilson. barking up the wrong tree. but he's no luck
Im glad he's no Luck or else he'd be breaking the knees of his wide receivers lol. Just terrible. Will the other receivers still put their knees onthe line for him or will the moral be the same?

[Bill_Brasky]

Huh? Why would "team black" be scared of this thread? This thread was created last season and RG3 straight dominated Luck last season so I don't know why yall are bumping this thread. It only shows how wrong you guys were.

I would still start my franchise team with RG3 without a doubt.

and that's why people think you're retarded.

[Creepn]

Fuck outta here. You're retarded to think other nfl teams wouldn't snatch up RG3 in heartbeat and start him if let go right now.

[spurraider21]

Im glad he's no Luck or else he'd be breaking the knees of his wide receivers lol. Just terrible. Will the other receivers still put their knees onthe line for him or will the moral be the same?


and that's why people think you're retarded.

[Bill_Brasky]

Fuck outta here. You're retarded to think other nfl teams wouldn't snatch up RG3 in heartbeat and start him if let go right now.

too bad that's not the discussion. the discussion is whether you'd rather have Luck or RG3. at this point that's a pretty obvious choice.

no fucking shit on what you said, teams like the Jags would obviously rather have rg3 than gabbert. way to move the goalposts.

[Creepn]

too bad that's not the discussion. the discussion is whether you'd rather have Luck or RG3. at this point that's a pretty obvious choice.

no fucking shit on what you said, teams like the Jags would obviously rather have rg3 than gabbert. way to move the goalposts.
Obvious choice would be not to pick the one that would break your wide receiver's knees on an open play lol.

Goodnight folks!

[tlongII]

Russell Wilson is better than either one of them.

[J.T.]

Russell Wilson is better than either one of them.

Wilson is good but the Seahawks could win games if he got hurt. The Colts wouldn't survive without Luck. He's much more important to his team. I think Wilson is still a very good QB for his age and experience but Luck definitely better at playing QB.

[tlongII]

Wilson is good but the Seahawks could win games if he got hurt. The Colts wouldn't survive without Luck. He's much more important to his team. I think Wilson is still a very good QB for his age and experience but Luck definitely better at playing QB.

Luck is a good one, but I like Wilson better. Wilson is clutch, he never gets rattled, and he seems to have a 6th sense for when he's about to get hit. The Seahawks would be no better than .500 without him. Luck will have a chance to show what he's made of now that Reggie Wayne went down.

[The Reckoning]

Luck is a good one, but I like Wilson better. Wilson is clutch, he never gets rattled, and he seems to have a 6th sense for when he's about to get hit. The Seahawks would be no better than .500 without him. Luck will have a chance to show what he's made of now that Reggie Wayne went down.



lol

[spurraider21]

lol

well they were 5-11 in 09, 7-9 in 2010. Lynch got there 2011 and they again went 7-9.

last year they bumped up to 11-5. its not inconceivable that they wouldn't be hovering around .500 if not below it

[Spur-Addict]

Luck is a good one, but I like Wilson better. Wilson is clutch, he never gets rattled, and he seems to have a 6th sense for when he's about to get hit. The Seahawks would be no better than .500 without him. Luck will have a chance to show what he's made of now that Reggie Wayne went down.

A lot of the players from 2011 are on this years roster. That's something nobody really talks about.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Luck is a good one, but I like Wilson better. Wilson is clutch, he never gets rattled, and he seems to have a 6th sense for when he's about to get hit. The Seahawks would be no better than .500 without him. Luck will have a chance to show what he's made of now that Reggie Wayne went down.

:lol

[spurraider21]

well they were 5-11 in 09, 7-9 in 2010. Lynch got there 2011 and they again went 7-9.

last year they bumped up to 11-5. its not inconceivable that they wouldn't be hovering around .500 if not below it

to add, to to this, Wilson took over a 7-9 team that had made the playoffs and had even won a playoff game, and they improved by 4 wins. Luck got the Colts to a 9 game turnaround and into the playoffs. RG3 was there for a 5 game turnaround and got his team into the playoffs. Wilson took over the easiest situation of the 3. I have Luck>Wilson>Griffin out of those 3 rookies. Tannehill started off hot this year but they have one of the 3-5 worst offensive line situations in the league, so its been really hard to gauge him lately. Luck has had the least support in the run game of that entire QB class, which makes him that much more impressive

[tlongII]

lol

Not sure what the "lol" is for. Did you see the Seahawks with Tarvaris Jackson?

[Spur-Addict]

to add, to to this, Wilson took over a 7-9 team that had made the playoffs and had even won a playoff game, and they improved by 4 wins. Luck got the Colts to a 9 game turnaround and into the playoffs. RG3 was there for a 5 game turnaround and got his team into the playoffs. Wilson took over the easiest situation of the 3. I have Luck>Wilson>Griffin out of those 3 rookies. Tannehill started off hot this year but they have one of the 3-5 worst offensive line situations in the league, so its been really hard to gauge him lately. Luck has had the least support in the run game of that entire QB class, which makes him that much more impressive

The year before Wilson took over, they did not make the playoffs. That was two years before Russell. And, that playoff team of two years prior had one of the best quarterbacks in Seahawk history, a quarterback that took a team to the Super Bowl and that team still went 7-9 with a lot of the same players. So, to imply that they would've been two wins better is a stretch, especially with Matt Flynn projected to be the starter.

And in the same two year span for the Colts (10-11), they had a 10-6 season. That Colt team without Peyton still rushed for 1,400 yards and 7 TDs with their three headed system. I'm not saying Indi had a monster running game, or a great defense, but it's unfair to say a team that was below .500 since 2008 would all of a sudden be a .500 or above team.

[Raven]

well they were 5-11 in 09, 7-9 in 2010. Lynch got there 2011 and they again went 7-9.

last year they bumped up to 11-5. its not inconceivable that they wouldn't be hovering around .500 if not below it

so it's a coincidence that browner and sherman play for the seahawks since the 2011 season, thomas and chancellor from the 2010 season (now only 24 and 25 years old) and bobby wagner from the 2012...

[spurraider21]

funny. for every other team in the league, its a qb driven league, and other players don't matter. yesterday we were hearing all about how Peterson is the best, but it doesn't matter without a qb. Seattle seems to be the only team in the league where the QB doesn't matter. convenient. cute.

[Chief Brody]

funny. for every other team in the league, its a qb driven league, and other players don't matter. yesterday we were hearing all about how Peterson is the best, but it doesn't matter without a qb. Seattle seems to be the only team in the league where the QB doesn't matter. convenient. cute.

Kansas City, tbh. Like I said, those two teams are carbon copies of each other

[benefactor]

Hilarious read tbh.

[spurraider21]

Kansas City, tbh. Like I said, those two teams are carbon copies of each other
pretty much everybody here think KC will lose their first playoff game. i dont think the board agrees with that notion about seattle

[J.T.]

Andrew Luck is gonna win the Super Bowl like 9 times. It's going to be legen...wait for it...dary.

[DeadlyDynasty]

They're neck-and-neck right now

[AchillesHeel]

RGKnee is garbage

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao I love how googling "Cawnbread Griffin" produces results mostly about a random slave narrative :lmao:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Oops wrong thread

[spurraider21]

They're neck-and-neck right now
:lol tbh

[Chief Brody]

I miss the days when this was considered a discussion

[spurraider21]

gg no re

[Chief Brody]

Laugh. Out. Loud.

[Holden_Caulfield]

:rollin shit the votes pretty close 42-37 in favor of luck :lol

[spurraider21]

luck sans wayne has looked shaky at best

[Bill_Brasky]

he was downright bad for a couple of weeks after. 4 TD passes last week though, so I think he may be recovering.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Luck has looked like shit the past couple of weeks. Hard to make excuses for shitty performances, but seriously DHB fucking sucks and drops EVERY pass.My nigga Da'Rick Rogers will give Luck someone else to throw it to aside from Hilton.

[spurraider21]

but seriously DHB fucking sucks and drops EVERY pass
:lol o RLY?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

luck sans wayne has looked shaky at best

:lol still better than Bob Griffin by a long shot though

[spurraider21]

yeah i mean i doubt Luck is gna ride the pine anytime soon

[bigzak25]

Cousins for the win! :lmao

[DeadlyDynasty]

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[DeadlyDynasty]

"He's a second-year guy, so technically he's still a kid in the league, but he plays like a grown man," Colts linebacker Robert Mathis (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4596/robert-mathis) said. "As long as we have 12, we have a chance."


"He kept telling us, even at 38-10, 'We're going to win this game," offensive tackle Anthony Castonzo (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13970/anthony-castonzo) said.

Meanwhile, in the District, a certain #2 pick has gotten a 2-time SB winning coach fired and failed his team despite having a Top 5 rusher

[benefactor]

Hilarious read tbh.

[spurraider21]

meh, Shanahan deserved to get fired, and don't give me the 2 time SB champ horseshit

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'll remember that when he gets coach #2 fired by the end of the 2015 season

[spurraider21]

not trying to support rg3 tbh... but shanny had it coming

[DeadlyDynasty]

not trying to support rg3 tbh... but shanny had it coming
True, you could hear his death rattle as early as 4/26/2012

[Darth_Pelican]

lol

[spurraider21]

Luck

/thread.
:worthy:

[spurraider21]

We'll see how long Tebow plays as a starter playing the way he plays.
:lol he never started another game

shipped to the jets, who preferred to watch sanchez meltdown for a whole season than give tebow a single start

:cry tebow is only getting so many opportunities because he's white

[Raven]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Creepn]

:lol he never started another game

shipped to the jets, who preferred to watch sanchez meltdown for a whole season than give tebow a single start

:cry tebow is only getting so many opportunities because he's white

You calling me from the dead?

Tebow did get a whole lot more opportunities. He played multiple positions and now he hosted television shows? Rex let his pride get in the way, otherwise Tebow would've started.

[spurraider21]

You calling me from the dead?

Tebow did get a whole lot more opportunities. He played multiple positions and now he hosted television shows? Rex let his pride get in the way, otherwise Tebow would've started.
tebow didn't start a single game after you posted that

lol opportunities

[Creepn]

tebow didn't start a single game after you posted that

lol opportunities

Would he have started if he went to that other team instead of the Jets? They were begging for him.

Just because he didn't start for the Jets doesn't mean he didn't have the opportunity.

[spurraider21]

Would he have started if he went to that other team instead of the Jets? They were begging for him.

Just because he didn't start for the Jets doesn't mean he didn't have the opportunity.
the jets were the only team willing to trade for him

[Creepn]

the jets were the only team willing to trade for him

The Jaguars had a better offer than the Jets to acquire Tebow from the Broncos.

[spurraider21]

The Jaguars had a better offer than the Jets to acquire Tebow from the Broncos.
and yet they didnt even sign him as a free agent for the minimum. did they think his skills deteriorated that much in one year with no injuries?

[Creepn]

and yet they didnt even sign him as a free agent for the minimum. did they think his skills deteriorated that much in one year with no injuries?

Dunno the reason. Khan fought against his employees for Tebow last time, maybe he didn't want to do it again. Talk about a squandered opportunity I guess.

[DeadlyDynasty]

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/images/smilies/rofl.gif

[DeadlyDynasty]

The question was who you start your franchise with...the implication being who is the better long-term prospect. This is obviously my opinion, but I think RG3 has higher upside and would risk taking him over Luck if he were to be the centerpiece of my franchise. I realize I'm in the minority...pun intended.


1/46, JT. 1/46. No starting black qbs in the playoffs this year. One in 2010 (lost in WC game), one in 2009 (lost in WC game). They fucking suck, and the fact that this guy is a Big 12 QB only exacerbates the problem.



Thanks, Mark May. Don't act like you have any special insight into this player or can offer up any opinion that hasn't been regurgitated by the mothership already.

Here's all you need to know:

-He's taken maybe 5 snaps under center his entire career
-gimmicky, shotgun formation QB
-Played in the Big 12, where QBS have hyper-inflated stats and become garbage pro QBS.

Here's a stat you'll love: No Big 12 QB has ever won a playoff game as a starter. Kordell Stewart beat the Ravens back in 2001 back when it was still the Big 8 (props to Blake for that find), and that's the last one.

So let's recap: He's black, plays in a gimmicky offense, and his conference has done nothing but drop turds at the QB position.



But I'm sure he'll be different...


Sooo....with your ultimate knowledge and unmeasurable football intelligence, you can accurately pick who will and won't be good in the NFL before they even play a down...and insult people who don't have your incredible talents..God..we're so lucky to have the ability to be on the same forum with you...


When it comes to black QBs, it's an easy assumption to make. History supports my argument. Nothing supports your argument.

Btw, way to skirt the Big 12 point when it got thrown back in your face.

lol thinking the weak defensive conference you play in and gimmicky offense you run doesn't have an effect on your pro prospects.


Never said it hasn't in the past...just saying I think RG3 may be different. Say what you will...and I'll say what I will. I may be wrong..you may be. Truth is, neither of us have any idea. And you say nothing supports my argument, I could say the same about yours. Your basing one person because of his race on others...it's hilarious. One of the most racist things I've ever heard. But you keep fighting the good fight, sir...


Learn to read, you god-fearing mongoloid. His blackness is but one factor in his doomed career. He's a Big 12 QB, only played out of the shotgun, and went against horrible defensive teams week after week. I have to keep repeating this cause that point is simply not getting through to you.

When an entire conference's QB's suck in the pros for damn near 20 years, you should probably take a hint. Now add his unfortunate racial predicament to the picture and the odds are even further stacked against him.


Umm....I guess you don't pay attention. Where in my post did I talk about only race? I said you're basing one player off of others. That means race, conference, style..everything. Say what you want about RG3, but the facts are you have no fucking clue what's going to happen in his NFL career, just like I don't. I'm just saying I think he's got a shot.


Black or not, I just don't see what makes Griffin so much more special than other run first QB's in draft history other than the fact that he put up huge numbers in a gimmicky system


Except that he's not a run-first QB. He's a (very accurate) passer that can run.

[benefactor]

Some really bad bads there.:lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

I miss Brannon tbh...still waiting for his annual Kiss-of-Death jinx on the Boys