BREAKING NEWS: Megaupload has been Shutdown

[IronMaxipad]

APNewsBreak: Feds Shut Down File-Sharing Website

One of the world's largest file-sharing sites was shut down Thursday, and its founder and several company executives were charged with violating piracy laws, federal prosecutors said.

An indictment accuses Megaupload.com of costing copyright holders more than $500 million in lost revenue from pirated films and other content. The indictment was unsealed one day after websites including Wikipedia and Craigslist shut down in protest of two congressional proposals intended to thwart online piracy.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=15396093

FUUUUU That was my favorite file sharing site. :bang:bang

Edit: Anonymous Responds:

http://i.imgur.com/FdAE4.jpg


It appears that the widespread hacking group Anonymous has taken umbrage to the takedown of Megaupload by the Department of Justice today. So much so that it appears to be taking down the DOJ site in retaliation.


Jason Safoutin@dragonfire1024
BREAKING: In response to seizure of #Megaupload #Anonymous takes down #US Justice Department website justice.gov
19 Jan 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite
The official Anonymous Twitter account hasn’t accepted responsibility for the act as of yet, but the group is clearly not happy about what has gone down with the Megaupload takedown and indictments:


Anonymous@AnonyOps
Feds shut down megaupload.com ti.me/A15C5R #censorship ....sigh. This bull[expletive] never ends.
19 Jan 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite
On the other hand, the Anonymous Sweden Twitter account has admitted responsibility for the attack on the DOJ site:


Anonymous Sweden@AnonOpsSweden
#OpPayBack Target: DOWN justice.gov - 15 minutes after feds announce arrest of Megaupload 7, #Anonymous strikes #svpol
19 Jan 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite
The Department of Justice site http://www.justice.gov has been slow since the announcement about Megaupload became public, but it has been up and down ever since, pointing to a potential DDoS attack of some sort.

By following the Twitter hashtag #OpPayBack, you can watch the chatter about the Anonymous attack on both the DOJ site and Univeral Music’s site, calling the operation a “success”.

The website attacks stem from the FBI indictments of seven people associated with Megaupload, which is being accused of numerous counts of copyright infringement. So far, four people have been arrested, including its founder Kim Dotcom.

UPDATE: One of the official Anonymous accounts on Twitter has indeed accepted responsibility for the attack on both the DOJ and Universal Music websites:


AnonOps@anonops
Tango down! universalmusic.com & justice.gov// #Megaupload


http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/01/19/anonymous-takes-down-doj-website-in-response-to-megaupload-case/

[lefty]

Non issue

There are others, and other will pop out

[mavs>spurs]

power grab

[Dex]

Congress said WE'LL BLACK YOU OUT!

[IronMaxipad]

Sucks even more for the people that paid for Premium accounts/Lifetime accounts. **Ironmexican**

[hater]

and this is before SOPA

"but sopa won't really shut any sites down" :lol

[Wild Cobra]

power grab
Maybe, but I don't think this falls under the category of congress not liking anyone competing against them.

[oh crap]

hulkshare tbh

[mouse]

the birth of underground www ...........

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/Picture002.jpg

[IronMaxipad]

http://i.imgur.com/FdAE4.jpg


It appears that the widespread hacking group Anonymous has taken umbrage to the takedown of Megaupload by the Department of Justice today. So much so that it appears to be taking down the DOJ site in retaliation.


Jason Safoutin@dragonfire1024
BREAKING: In response to seizure of #Megaupload #Anonymous takes down #US Justice Department website justice.gov
19 Jan 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite
The official Anonymous Twitter account hasn’t accepted responsibility for the act as of yet, but the group is clearly not happy about what has gone down with the Megaupload takedown and indictments:


Anonymous@AnonyOps
Feds shut down megaupload.com ti.me/A15C5R #censorship ....sigh. This bull[expletive] never ends.
19 Jan 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite
On the other hand, the Anonymous Sweden Twitter account has admitted responsibility for the attack on the DOJ site:


Anonymous Sweden@AnonOpsSweden
#OpPayBack Target: DOWN justice.gov - 15 minutes after feds announce arrest of Megaupload 7, #Anonymous strikes #svpol
19 Jan 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite
The Department of Justice site http://www.justice.gov has been slow since the announcement about Megaupload became public, but it has been up and down ever since, pointing to a potential DDoS attack of some sort.

By following the Twitter hashtag #OpPayBack, you can watch the chatter about the Anonymous attack on both the DOJ site and Univeral Music’s site, calling the operation a “success”.

The website attacks stem from the FBI indictments of seven people associated with Megaupload, which is being accused of numerous counts of copyright infringement. So far, four people have been arrested, including its founder Kim Dotcom.

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/01/19/anonymous-takes-down-doj-website-in-response-to-megaupload-case/

[NASpurs]

mah icefilms :(

[mouse]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/222-4.jpg

[Blake]

God forbid people pay to watch movies the right way

[mavs>spurs]

ain't nobody got the money for that shit

[pawe]

At least people in the US are not the only ones that will suffer.
Share our pain rest of the world!

[Sense]

mah icefilms :(

This is where it's going to hurt.. icefilms, at least I kept up with most shows that I wanted to keep up and I can always just dl movies..

DVR will make this hurt a little less.. but this is still an issue.

[Blake]

ain't nobody got the money for that shit

The 99% has a right to watch movies for free!

[leemajors]

i dunno why anyone was dumb enough to do direct d/l tbh. at least run an encryption program if you do.

[leemajors]

looks like the site owners were just stupid and flaunting it:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/01/why-the-feds-smashed-megaupload.ars

[IronMexican]

:cry

[Vendetta]

No one should be surprised.

[Nathan Explosion]

This sucks but again, there are other sites out there that do the same thing.

The one thing that the founder of Wikipedia mentioned was that the figures they cite when claiming damages are often inflated because the studios assume that the content that people are streaming online is content they would consume.

I've watched movies before that I had no intention of paying to see. Black Swan is a perfect example. I would have never bought a movie ticket or rented the movie. But I heard about the lesbian scene and decided what the hell, let me take a look at it online.

The movie turned out to be very good, but if it wasn't online, there's no way in hell I would have known because I had no intention of consuming the content.

[JoeChalupa]

I use netflix and don't do downloading like others do.

[IronMaxipad]

megavideo :cry

[Trainwreck2100]

megaporn
:depressed

[Drachen]

you know what is funny, I DL from that site all the time and had no idea that they were used for pirated content. I always just used them for android stuff.

[Nathan Explosion]

The only thing I don't like about Megavideo is that they have a limit on how much content you can view in a day. I understand why they do it, and really, I'm not opposed to it. They want to make money for providing a service, so be it.

Having said that, on some of the stuff I watch, if I wanted to pay for it, I'd subscribe to the channel that the show is on or pay for the ticket to see the movie I'm watching.

That's just me though.

[Trainwreck2100]

you didn't like abolut megavideo, you have to use past tense when talking about that site now

[Nathan Explosion]

you didn't like abolut megavideo, you have to use past tense when talking about that site now

Sorry, I haven't gotten to acceptance yet. I'm still in the early stages of grieving.

:(

[IronMaxipad]

The only thing I don't like about Megavideo is that they have a limit on how much content you can view in a day. I understand why they do it, and really, I'm not opposed to it. They want to make money for providing a service, so be it.

Having said that, on some of the stuff I watch, if I wanted to pay for it, I'd subscribe to the channel that the show is on or pay for the ticket to see the movie I'm watching.

That's just me though.

Non-issue if you had a premium account.

[Reck]

This is what happens when you get greedy.

Funny thing is this has nothing to do with SOPA or PIPA and people all over the net have their panties in a wad because the feds seized up the site. Even as far as already making a petition to try to get the site back. Just lol

[Nathan Explosion]

Non-issue if you had a premium account.

Again, if I wanted to pay, I would just pay Showtime or go to the movies instead. Again, I'm not knocking them for it. Just saying it wasn't something I was willing to pay for.

[leemajors]

anonymous is fucking shit up.

[Trainwreck2100]

and it won't change shit

[Nathan Explosion]

anonymous is fucking shit up.

Only one of the sites is still down. Everything is up and running like normal.

[Reck]

Only one of the sites is still down. Everything is up and running like normal.

DDos attacks are weak. That's all anon is doing.

By the time he plans his next attack that site he takes down will be back up and running within the hour.

[leemajors]

Only one of the sites is still down. Everything is up and running like normal.

everything was down for two to three hours. what they did was fairly impressive.

[leemajors]

http://jalopnik.com/5877749/megaupload-founder-claims-hes-mafia-guilty-and-god-on-his-license-plates


2010 Maserati GranCabrio, VIN ZAMKM45B000051328, License PlateNo. "M-FB 212" or "DH-GC 470", registered to FINN BATATO;67.

2009 Mercedes-Benz E500 Coupe, VIN WDD20737225019582, LicensePlate No. "FEG690"

2005 Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM, VIN WDB2093422F165517, LicensePlate No. "GOOD"

2004 Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM AMG 5.5L Kompressor, VINWDB2093422F166073, License Plate No. "EVIL"

2010 Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG L, VIN WDD2211792A324354, LicensePlate No. "CEO"

7071.

2008 Rolls-Royce Phantom Drop Head Coupe, VINSCA2D68096UH07049; License Plate No. "GOD";72.

2010 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, VIN WDD2120772A103834, LicensePlate No. "STONED";73.

2010 Mini Cooper S Coupe, VIN WMWZG32000TZ03651, License PlateNo. "V";74.

2010 Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG, VIN

WDC1641772A608055, LicensePlate No. "GUILTY";

2007 Mercedes-Benz CL65 AMG, VIN WDD2163792A025130, LicensePlate No. "KIMCOM";

2009 Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG, VIN WDC1641772A542449,

LicensePlate No. "MAFIA";

2010 Toyota Vellfire, VIN 7AT0H65MX11041670, License Plate Nos."WOW" or "7";

2011 Mercedes-Benz G55 AMG, VIN WDB4632702X193395, LicensePlate Nos. "POLICE" or "GDS672";

2011 Toyota Hilux, VIN MR0FZ29G001599926, License PlateNo. "FSN455";

Harley Davidson Motorcycle, VIN 1HD1HPH3XBC803936, LicensePlate No. "36YED";

2010 Mercedes-Benz CL63 AMG, VIN WDD2163742A026653, LicensePlate No. "HACKER";

2005 Mercedes-Benz A170, VIN WDD1690322J184595, License PlateNo. "FUR252";

2005 Mercedes-Benz ML500, VIN WDC1641752A026107, License PlateNo. DFF816;

Fiberglass sculpture, imported from the United Kingdom with EntryNo. 83023712;

1957 Cadillac El Dorado, VIN 5770137596;

2010 Sea-Doo GTX Jet Ski, VIN YDV03103E010;

1959 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible, VIN 59F115669;

Von Dutch Kustom Motor Bike, VIN 1H9S14955BB451257;

2006 Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM, VIN WDB2094421T067269;

2010 Mini Cooper S Coupe, VIN WMWZG32000TZ03648 LicensePlate No. "T"

989 Lamborghini LM002, VIN ZA9LU45AXKLA12158, License PlateNo. "FRP358"

2011 Mercedes-Benz ML63, VIN 4JGBB7HB0BA666219

[Nathan Explosion]

He competed in the quasi-legal Gumball 3000 street race across Europe a few years ago in a modified Mercede

Actually, that's something I'll add to my bucket list. Forgot about that. Seems like it'd be fun as hell, in a way.

[mingus]

That's how shit works. You pay for it. Don't have the money? Too bad. Self-entitled asses.

[Nathan Explosion]

That's how shit works. You pay for it. Don't have the money? Too bad. Self-entitled asses.

Yeah, but what the record companies and movie studios don't understand is that a lot of what we download (definitely for me) is stuff we don't necessarily want, not enough to pay for. So the options are to download/stream for free or not consume the product at all.

What they fail to take into account is that I was NEVER going to purchase the product. So they didn't lose money because they were never going to get that money in the first place.

However, there has been a time where I saw a movie and decided I wanted to buy it later, so the streaming for free actually made them money, money they wouldn't have gotten if I hadn't watched the movie beforehand online.

[Blake]

Yeah, but what the record companies and movie studios don't understand is that a lot of what we download (definitely for me) is stuff we don't necessarily want, not enough to pay for. So the options are to download/stream for free or not consume the product at all.

What they fail to take into account is that I was NEVER going to purchase the product. So they didn't lose money because they were never going to get that money in the first place.

However, there has been a time where I saw a movie and decided I wanted to buy it later, so the streaming for free actually made them money, money they wouldn't have gotten if I hadn't watched the movie beforehand online.

Blows me away how often people use this line of reasoning as a moral justification to steal a movie or song.

[leemajors]

This is what happens when you get greedy.

Funny thing is this has nothing to do with SOPA or PIPA and people all over the net have their panties in a wad because the feds seized up the site. Even as far as already making a petition to try to get the site back. Just lol

It has everything to do with SOPA and PIPA. Entertainment companies trying to keep their stranglehold on content they didn't create themselves, keeping most of the profits to themselves. They are terrified of Louis CK's successful experiment bypassing them, and keep pushing retarded legislation through their bought and paid for elected officials.

On the other hand, the Megaupload dudes were flamboyantly breaking the law and flaunting it. Of course they got caught.

[resistanze]

Blows me away how often people use this line of reasoning as a moral justification to steal a movie or song.

Has nothing to do with morals, it's just the reality of the situation. Having these companies say "500 million in lost sales" because someone downloaded a file will never be an accurate assessment of the situation.

[Blake]

Has nothing to do with morals, it's just the reality of the situation. Having these companies say "500 million in lost sales" because someone downloaded a file will never be an accurate assessment of the situation.

As a guess, how much money do you think these companies have lost in sales?

[leemajors]

As a guess, how much money do you think these companies have lost in sales?

they have probably lost just as much or more money not adapting their antiquated business model.

[resistanze]

they have probably lost just as much or more money not adapting their antiquated business model.

Bingo. People will pay for content online. They spent years trying to destroy sites like Napster and chasing Grannys, when THEY should have been the ones to create iTunes.

I can't comment on how much money they lost in sales as there's no way to separate lost sales from piracy as opposed to lost sales from shitty business practice, or the evolution of digital media (CD sales dropping 50% has more to do with the adaptation of digital media than piracy).

[resistanze]

And I'm sorry, you'll never convince any logical person that someone downloading a file = a lost sale. The companies either really stupid to believe that or are simply being deceptive.

[Blake]

they have probably lost just as much or more money not adapting their antiquated business model.

could be.

Why should that be an excuse to download a movie or song when they tell you not to?

[Blake]

Bingo. People will pay for content online. They spent years trying to destroy sites like Napster and chasing Grannys, when THEY should have been the ones to create iTunes.

I can't comment on how much money they lost in sales as there's no way to separate lost sales from piracy as opposed to lost sales from shitty business practice, or the evolution of digital media (CD sales dropping 50% has more to do with the adaptation of digital media than piracy).

I'm just wondering how much money you think it necessary for them to lose before they have a right to gripe.

[leemajors]

could be.

Why should that be an excuse to download a movie or song when they tell you not to?

I'm not saying it's an excuse at all. Most people when given a choice between torrenting something like Louis CK's special, paying $5 to download, or paying $20 for a DVD, will pay $5 because it's a reasonable alternative.

On the other hand, if you have Netlflix and enjoy it, but movie studios that are still making money hand over fist decide to push new release dvds out two months for no reason, I fully understand why some would want to torrent/download it just to stick it to them.

[Blake]

I'm not saying it's an excuse at all. Most people when given a choice between torrenting something like Louis CK's special, paying $5 to download, or paying $20 for a DVD, will pay $5 because it's a reasonable alternative.

k, not sure your point.


On the other hand, if you have Netlflix and enjoy it, but movie studios that are still making money hand over fist decide to push new release dvds out two months for no reason, I fully understand why some would want to torrent/download it just to stick it to them.

Yeah, that's another reason I've seen mentioned before as to why someone would want to steal a movie from the studios.

[mouse]

Megaupload's loss is Mouseupload's gain.

There is always someone willing to take over the business.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/Picture037.jpg

[leemajors]

http://consumerist.com/2012/01/megaupload-seems-to-be-up-and-almost-ready-to-run-again-without-a-domain-name.html

[mingus]

they have probably lost just as much or more money not adapting their antiquated business model.

I agree. They haven't properly adapted to clever, loophole ways of stealing. But they're starting to make their move though and it looks like you'll soon have to adapt to the situation because what you're doing will antiquated. I'm surprised it took the so long to act. You self-entitled asses should be thankful for that.

[leemajors]

I agree. They haven't properly adapted to clever, loophole ways of stealing. But they're starting to make their move though and it looks like you'll soon have to adapt to the situation because what you'll be doing is antiquated.

you're an idiot. giving people reasonably priced legal avenues is what I was referring to, not trying to force overpriced physical media on people when they are clearly no longer interested.

[mingus]

How many files have you downloaded illegally/stole despite their being a legal route?

[leemajors]

How many files have you downloaded illegally/stole despite their being a legal route?

how many songs/movies/shows have you ever taped/dubbed off of tv/radio? Ever made a mix cd?

[mingus]

how many songs/movies/shows have you ever taped/dubbed off of tv/radio? Ever made a mix cd?

No I have not. If I can't buy it I accept the fact that I can't and move on with my life. I don't cry about the fact that I can't add the 10,000 songs that I want to add on my IPod. It's not surprising that an athiest/moral/ethical weakling would break a law just to get something he wants.

[Spurminator]

What the music industry really needs to do in order to keep their business model alive is distribute albums exclusively on individual ear buds. This will make it impossible to copy and will guarantee that only one person can listen to the album at a time. Even better, if they could somehow incorporate technology that recognized the purchaser's ear drum print, they could eliminate the possibility of said purchaser allowing his friend to listen to the album.

Obviously this will cost a lot in development and production, as well as marketing, so they'd probably need to price each album at around $60. But that's the price we'll have to deal with to ensure that no one unfairly listens to music they didn't pay for.

[leemajors]

No I have not. If I can't buy it I accept the fact that I can't and move on with my life. I don't cry about the fact that I can't add the 10,000 songs that I want to add on my IPod. It's not surprising that an athiest/moral/ethical weakling would break a law just to get something he wants.

it's weird that such an upstanding/Christian/morally superior being such as yourself would side with unethical gigantic media corporations who basically turned musicians into indentured servants for the better half of the previous century. maybe it's what turned you into such a shriveled turnip of a person.

[mouse]

I have never seen so many righteous people in one forum.

[Blake]

you're an idiot. giving people reasonably priced legal avenues is what I was referring to, not trying to force overpriced physical media on people when they are clearly no longer interested.

lol force

if they are no longer interested then why are they illegally downloading?

[Blake]

how many songs/movies/shows have you ever taped/dubbed off of tv/radio? Ever made a mix cd?

I know I've done some infringing over the years.

[Blake]

It's not surprising that an athiest/moral/ethical weakling would break a law just to get something he wants.

god, just shut the fuck up.

[mavs>spurs]

i never really understood how the U.S. has jurisdiction all over the globe when it comes to the internets

[Blake]

I have never seen so many righteous people in one forum.

/political forum

[leemajors]

Also, using an image you do not own/have not licensed as an avatar on a forum is copyright infringement too.

[leemajors]

I know I've done some infringing over the years.

the news reports of people at RIAA/MPAA/Congress/Senate rampantly torrenting and using sites like megaupload while at work are hilarious.

[resistanze]

I'm just wondering how much money you think it necessary for them to lose before they have a right to gripe.

Oh they can bitch all they want - if they think chasing Grannys with lawsuits is going to help their fight against piracy, well that's their choice. Piracy isn't going anywhere - it's been around for decades. To blame piracy for the demise of an industry that refuses to adapt to the times is hilarious. Believe me, piracy didn't stop every single Call of Duty game for the past 3 years becoming the biggest entertainment release of all time.

No doubt the industry shouldn't like bootleg shops selling pirated materials. But if they think attack the common person is the way to go, then they'll never evolve. Even though you've dubbed music/download a song or episode or two, can I assume you also buy media? What can the RIAA/MPAA possibly gain from treating someone like you as a criminal?


On a separate note...

No I have not. If I can't buy it I accept the fact that I can't and move on with my life. I don't cry about the fact that I can't add the 10,000 songs that I want to add on my IPod. It's not surprising that an athiest/moral/ethical weakling would break a law just to get something he wants.
:lmao Just fucking kill yourself and go to heaven already.

[Pero]

Stealing? LMAO! Since if there were no torrents/streaming available I would not have payed to watch a movie or whatever anyway, the copyright owner has no loss on my account. If he hasn't lost anything, how can he claim I stole something? And I'm sure I'm not the only person like that. Heck, sometimes I think it would be even better for me if it all got taken down since I might do a lot more productive things with my free time. :lol

[ElNono]

I'm just wondering how much money you think it necessary for them to lose before they have a right to gripe.

When did they lose the right to gripe?

Frankly, they were :cry just as much with the introduction of the VCR, and it turned out to make them a fortune. They just needed to adapt to grow even bigger.

[mouse]

:lmao Just fucking kill yourself and go to heaven already.


:lmao

[Blake]

Stealing? LMAO! Since if there were no torrents/streaming available I would not have payed to watch a movie or whatever anyway, the copyright owner has no loss on my account. If he hasn't lost anything, how can he claim I stole something? And I'm sure I'm not the only person like that. Heck, sometimes I think it would be even better for me if it all got taken down since I might do a lot more productive things with my free time. :lol

Why should anyone take you at your word that you wouldn't have watched a movie any way?

The copyright owner said you can't watch the movie without permission.

You downloaded it anyway and watched it.

You stole it.

[Blake]

When did they lose the right to gripe?

Legally they have the right, the public opinion appears to be that they have no right to gripe to Congress.....that they should adapt and police it themselves.

Seems to me you are one of the ones saying that it should remain a civil matter and that they need to adapt.


Frankly, they were :cry just as much with the introduction of the VCR, and it turned out to make them a fortune. They just needed to adapt to grow even bigger.

like I thought, it is you.

shocker.

[Blake]

Also, using an image you do not own/have not licensed as an avatar on a forum is copyright infringement too.

unless the owner has thrown it out there as public domain.

[leemajors]

unless the owner has thrown it out there as public domain.

True, but nothing NBA related is.

[Blake]

What can the RIAA/MPAA possibly gain from treating someone like you as a criminal?


Regardless of the dollar amount they claim to be lost in sales, I think the evidence is pretty clear that illegal downloading is extremely rampant.

I can see why they want it stopped.

I can't see why any non-pirates have an issue with them wanting it stopped.

[resistanze]

I burned some World cup matches on DVD :depressed

Where do I turn myself in :depressed

[Blake]

True, but nothing NBA related is.

User beware

[Blake]

.

[Blake]

I burned some World cup matches on DVD :depressed

Where do I turn myself in :depressed

If you kept them to yourself, you don't have much of a case to prosecute yourself.

[resistanze]

Regardless of the dollar amount they claim to be lost in sales, I think the evidence is pretty clear that illegal downloading is extremely rampant.

I can see why they want it stopped.

I can't see why any non-pirates have an issue with them wanting it stopped.

I think you're misrepresenting the opposition. Identifying piracy as an issue and thinking of ways to combat it are different. I can acknowledge piracy is an issue without agreeing that SOPA is the best method to handle it.

[mouse]

unless the owner has thrown it out there as public domain.

If I bought a CD of Lady Gaga am I the owner of it?

[ElNono]

Legally they have the right, the public opinion appears to be that they have no right to gripe to Congress

Where's this "public opinion" that they have no right to gripe to Congress?


Seems to me you are one of the ones saying that it should remain a civil matter and that they need to adapt.

How did you arrive at that conclusion? I can actually quote myself in this forum stating I have no problem with enforcement of criminal copyright violations.


like I thought, it is you.

shocker.

So you have no counter-argument to the fact that they always griped, including times when the griping was unnecessary and overblown.

shocker

[z0sa]

Without question, the complete bills of SOPA and PIPA are the wrong ways of going about doing "it" (trying to limit piracy). However, not all of them is bad. The primary problem I've found is that only an accusation is enough to get a site to lose its advertising and/or be blocked/shut down. Sounds like the Internet Gestapo to me.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I spotted 31 copyright violations in the first page of this thread.

[Blake]

Where's this "public opinion" that they have no right to gripe to Congress?

ElNono's public opinion is clear.

He states that if the government gets involved in enforcment, this would be like the war on drugs and that it should stay a civil matter.

Do you really need the link to your public opinion?

Do you also really need sources that agree with your opinion? You've already posted sources that agree with you in that thread, why do you need me to repost them?

Is your google not working, or are you really this lazy? or stupid?



How did you arrive at that conclusion? I can actually quote myself in this forum stating I have no problem with enforcement of criminal copyright violations.

I can quote you asking why the government should be footing the bill for enforcement:


Guys like the channelsurfing.net owner (http://torrentfreak.com/feds-arrest-owner-of-seized-sports-streaming-domain-110304/)?

Now, you explain to me why the government has to foot the bill for this instead of Disney, News Corp, etc?

which is it?


So you have no counter-argument to the fact that they always griped, including times when the griping was unnecessary and overblown.

shocker

I've never consented that their griping was ever unnecessary and overblown. Link to when their griping was unnecessary and overblown, please.

This is at least the 3rd time today you have posted something I either haven't said, asked for, or alluded to.

It's no longer shocking.

[ElNono]

Without question, the complete bills of SOPA and PIPA are the wrong ways of going about doing "it" (trying to limit piracy). However, not all of them is bad. The primary problem I've found is that only an accusation is enough to get a site to lose its advertising and/or be blocked/shut down. Sounds like the Internet Gestapo to me.

A lot of companies that oppose the bill are okay with another proposed bill that also attacks the piracy problem without the broad authority that PIPA/SOPA grant.

In a nutshell, the problem is how far we go with enforcement, not that piracy is ok or justified.

[Pero]

The copyright owner said you can't watch the movie without permission.
Well I suppose this part is true.



You stole it.

Not really. You could say I voyeured it or something though.

[ElNono]

ElNono's public opinion is clear

Where's this "public opinion" that they have no right to gripe to Congress?

Are you going to answer the question or keep on dodging, par the course?


I can quote you asking why the government should be footing the bill for enforcement:

which is it?

My beef was government taking on civil litigation. Which was an erroneous take seeing that didn't make it into law. I admitted as much. (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5071559&postcount=115)

Why don't you link the whole thread, so everyone can draw their own conclusions? Here: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5063763

I have also stated in that thread I have no problem with criminal copyright enforcement...


I've never consented that their griping was ever unnecessary and overblown. Link to when their griping was unnecessary and overblown, please.

Same thread.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5557892&postcount=317
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5557894&postcount=318


This is at least the 3rd time today you have posted something I either haven't said, asked for, or alluded to.

You didn't post about their right to gripe to Congress? You need a quote?
This is the 2nd time today you claim not saying something you did say.

[mavs>spurs]

can someone explain to me how the US has jurisdiction in new zealand

[Useruser666]

Apparently Lamar Smith, sponsor of the SOPA bill has been using someone else’s photos without proper accreditation which violates the licensed use of the photo (copyright violation).

Read below:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/In-copyright-debate-Smith-criticized-from-2648232.php

I wonder if it would have been possible under SOPA or PIPA to have Lamar Smith's website shutdown and his finances (campaign?) frozen?

[Dr. Gonzo]

I wonder if it would have been possible under SOPA or PIPA to have Lamar Smith's website shutdown and his finances (campaign?) frozen?

Yes it would have and without even letting the owner of the site know about it.

[Monostradamus]

Regardless of the dollar amount they claim to be lost in sales, I think the evidence is pretty clear that illegal downloading is extremely rampant.

I can see why they want it stopped.

I can't see why any non-pirates have an issue with them wanting it stopped.

:tu

[lefty]

Megaupload Is Back in High Tech Whack-a-Mole

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It's like a high tech game of whack-a-mole.
In less than 24 hours the file sharing site Megaupload.com (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/justice-fbi-crack-megauploadcom-hackers-hit-feds-entertainment/story?id=15396526) is attempting to stay alive on the Internet despite indictments from the Justice Department and court orders to seize the site and computer servers hosting the service and assets.
The Justice Department unsealed an indictment (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/justice-fbi-crack-megauploadcom-hackers-hit-feds-entertainment/story?id=15396526#.Txm1H3KwWNU) Thursday charging Megaupload's founder Kim Dotcom, a.k.a. Kim Schmitz, and six of his associates with participating in a conspiracy that involved racketeering, money laundering and copyright infringement.
Megaupload is now on a server that has no domain name but has the address [url]http://109.236.83.66. According to the website www.urlquery.net, the Megaupload's new server is based in the Netherlands.
Overnight supporters for the site hosted the remnants of Megaupload at www.Megavideo.bz indicating that content was being hosted in Belize.
Megaupload Reappears on Servers in Netherlands
The Justice Department, FBI and law enforcement agencies in New Zealand, Hong Kong, Canada, Germany, the United Kingdom and the Netherlands sought court orders and seized servers which hosted Megaupload.com's content.
Justice Department and FBI officials declined to comment when asked about the site still having a prescence on the Internet.
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When asked Thursday about the site possibly popping back up on the internet a Justice Department official involved in the case said, "Maintaining and running and assembling a site like this is very expensive. And obviously the seizure of financial assets is critical in this type of investigation and prosecution in preventing it from going forward."
The federal indictment alleges that Megaupload and a shell company associated with the company caused an estimated half-billion dollars in copyright losses and made an estimated $175 million in proceeds.
The Justice Department is seeking to seize bank accounts associated with Megaupload and its associated enterprises in New Zealand, Singapore, China, Hong Kong, The Philippines and Germany and Citibank accounts in the United States.
Photos on the website techcrunch.com (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/megaupload-back-high-tech-whack-mole/%28http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/20/downfall-photos-of-megaupload-founders-valuable-cars-getting-seized/) show authorities inn New Zealand seizing luxury cars at Dotcom's residence in New Zealand.
The indictment listed a Rolls Royce, Lamborghini and numerous electronic items, artwork and televisions that the Justice Department was seeking in forfeiture.
"Megaupload believes the claims are without merit and will vigorously defend itself," said Ira Rothken a defense attorney representing Megaupload.
Hours after the indictment was announced by the Justice Department and FBI, computer "hacktivists" with the group Anonymous orchestrated distributed denial of service attacks against the Justice Department and FBI's websites.
The group also targeted the websites Recording Industry Association of America, Universal Music and the Motion Picture Association of America in what they called OpMegaUpload. The group claimed it was their largest operation ever.
The case against Megaupload.com came a day after Internet companies and websites such as Google, WordPress and Wikipedia protested about the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA).
Justice Department officials said the case and arrest of Dotcom and other employees was not timed to the debate over the SOPA and PIPA legislation. Friday morning Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/senate-delays-vote-on-anti-piracy-bill/) (D-Nev.) decided to pull the PIPA legislation from the Senate's Calendar but pledged to work on a more refined bill. House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) also said he was scraping the proposed SOPA legislation,
Some members linked with Anonymous were planning today to target democratic members of Congress websites that were supporting the two bills in what they were calling OpDonkeyPunch.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Those links don't work.

[Blake]

Not really. You could say I voyeured it or something though.

Yeah, I could say you stole it.

I think I will.

[Pero]

:sleep

[Blake]

Where's this "public opinion" that they have no right to gripe to Congress?

Are you going to answer the question or keep on dodging, par the course?

You have given your opinion in public. So have many others in this and the other thread.

Public opinion does not equal public consensus, which is what I think you are looking for.

You need a dictionary.


I have also stated in that thread I have no problem with criminal copyright enforcement...

ok, I see where you did the flip flop now. :tu


Same thread.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5557892&postcount=317
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5557894&postcount=318

Rofl a gripe from 1982?

Jack Valenti is DEAD. Is he now griping about Hell?

Fuckin a, that was an awesome gripe about the VCR though. :lmao


You didn't post about their right to gripe to Congress? You need a quote?
This is the 2nd time today you claim not saying something you did say.

WTF are you talking about? Who would ever imply that they don't LEGALLY have a right to gripe to Congress? I certainly didn't, no matter how hard you try to make it look like I did.

Desperate troll with shit on his face is being stupid.

[Blake]

:sleep

Pirates need their sleep too.

:tu

[Bill_Brasky]

can someone explain to me how the US has jurisdiction in new zealand

Servers located in US

[mavs>spurs]

okay so they got the US servers but couldn't they just set up camp in another country? like for instance china, where 99% of all software is pirated, i don't think they'd give a shit..

[ElNono]

You have given your opinion in public. So have many others in this and the other thread.

Public opinion does not equal public consensus, which is what I think you are looking for.

You need a dictionary.

I don't think I ever opined about their right to gripe to Congress. I don't see anybody in this thread or the other thread that voiced such concern.

Where's this "public opinion" that they have no right to gripe to Congress?


Rofl a gripe from 1982?

Jack Valenti is DEAD. Is he now griping about Hell?

Fuckin a, that was an awesome gripe about the VCR though. :lmao

A gripe in 1982 is still a gripe. And at that time it was unnecessary and overblown. I'm pretty sure Chris Dodd is still doing it. Time will tell if it's a legitimate gripe or not.

I agree Valenti was a master of hyperbole :lol


WTF are you talking about? Who would ever imply that they don't LEGALLY have a right to gripe to Congress? I certainly didn't, no matter how hard you try to make it look like I did.

Your question:


I'm just wondering how much money you think it necessary for them to lose before they have a right to gripe.

My response:


When did they lose the right to gripe?

Notice it was you that dragged both "Legal" and "Congress" into this.
You didn't post about their right to gripe to Congress? You need a quote?

[Heat Miser]

This Blake vs ELNono is Epic!

:corn:

[Blake]

You have given your opinion in public. So have many others in this and the other thread.

Public opinion does not equal public consensus, which is what I think you are looking for.

You need a dictionary.


eh, I need a dictionary.

After two days of him getting crapped on, ElNono finally got one over on me. :tu

Of course, I said "public opinion appears to be....", the key word being appears, but if it means that much to you, I will start a thread for to get the public opinion of this board to at least get a sample size of some kind.

My guess though is that you really don't care what the public opinion is and are still just trying to troll to save some face.

[ElNono]

My guess this is you are still just trying to troll to save some face.

:lol Not trolling, IMO (maybe a bit, but you can't play saint here either)

Blake, I enjoy we can have our discussions. We have had a lot of agreements and disagreements. I've been wrong in some of these arguments with you before and I had no problem admitting that either (or even linking to that).

I still think people learn from this stuff, right or wrong.

[mouse]

Blake you must be a Hit at parties! I bet you even ask girls for the ID's before you call they're parents. I bet your that Neighbor that calls the housing authority if you see a boat in the driveway or a Bush that needs trimming.

Your that vato crawling in the dark on his belly using night vision goggles to see if your neighbor is watering his plants.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fN%2BUTdB0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[IronMaxipad]

can someone explain to me how the US has jurisdiction in new zealand

The US has an extradition treaty with New Zealand.

[Blake]

A gripe in 1982 is still a gripe. And at that time it was unnecessary and overblown. I'm pretty sure Chris Dodd is still doing it. Time will tell if it's a legitimate gripe or not.

The next dead person I hear griping about something will be the first.



Notice it was you that dragged both "Legal" and "Congress" into this.
You didn't post about their right to gripe to Congress? You need a quote?

My original statement regarding "right to gripe" was me reading into what posters here and on the internets have been saying regarding these companies.

I have heard this line and I'm sure you have to that goes something like: "The companies ways of doing business are old and outdated. They need to be the ones to keep up with the technology instead of Congress being forced to make new laws criminalizing such downloading."

As in "why are they griping?"

which I said in a more direct way as "they don't have the right to gripe".

much like a mom would tell her kid "why you cryin? you have no right to cry"

I know you have had troubles keeping up with these difficult phrases I've thrown out, but it's really no problem for me to clarify. Just ask. :tu

[Useruser666]

Lamar Smith is lucky he didn't pass the law that would shut down his own website! Busted!

http://www.vice.com/read/lamar-smith-serial-copyright-violator

[mouse]

Blake doesn't get it.

We are not saying artist and copyright owners don't deserve to get ripped off. We feel for them.

What we are saying as Free American's we really don't want anyone telling us what we can or can't find free online and share with others.

[ElNono]

The next dead person I hear griping about something will be the first.

They always griped. The fact that there's two bills in front of Congress to vote on I think it's a clear indicator that griping didn't end with Jack Valenti.


My original statement regarding "right to gripe" was me reading into what posters here and on the internets have been saying regarding these companies.

I have heard this line and I'm sure you have to that goes something like: "The companies ways of doing business are old and outdated. They need to be the ones to keep up with the technology instead of Congress being forced to make new laws criminalizing such downloading."

As in "why are they griping?"

which I said in a more direct way as "they don't have the right to gripe".

I've read similar comments. That's not the conclusion that I draw from them though. I think they can gripe all they want, but at some point they're going to have to see if the massive piracy you see today is entirely due to poor enforcement or if there are other reasons as well, like a disconnect between what their offerings are vs what the market wants. IMO, you can't pretend that poor format selection, shitty pricing, lack of demo software, draconian terms, etc have no impact on consumer's decision to pirate. I think it's a valid point that doesn't mean they can't gripe.

Obviously, you're certainly entitled to your own reading of such statements.


much like a mom would tell her kid "why you cryin? you have no right to cry"

tbh, I've never heard a mom tell their kids "you have no right to cry" :lol


I know you have had troubles keeping up with these difficult phrases I've thrown out, but it's really no problem for me to clarify. Just ask. :tu

lol you have no right to cry!
lol moms

[leemajors]

can someone explain to me how the US has jurisdiction in new zealand

they leaned on them as an ally, and New Zealand complied.

edit: nm, it was said better.

[Pero]

Pirates need their sleep too.

:tu

:lol

[Blake]

They always griped. The fact that there's two bills in front of Congress to vote on I think it's a clear indicator that griping didn't end with Jack Valenti.

We are talking about unnecessary griping.

It's crystal clear.

lmao dead man's unnecessary griping


Obviously, you're certainly entitled to your own reading of such statements.

You have the same entitlement to your mis-reading of my statements.


tbh, I've never heard a mom tell their kids "you have no right to cry" :lol

lol you have no right to cry!
lol moms

no wonder the analogy flew over your face.

Sorry. :depressed

[Blake]

Blake doesn't get it.

We are not saying artist and copyright owners don't deserve to get ripped off. We feel for them.

What we are saying as Free American's we really don't want anyone telling us what we can or can't find free online and share with others.

No, I get what you are saying.

[ElNono]

We are talking about unnecessary griping.

It's crystal clear.

lmao dead man's unnecessary griping

My statement:

So you have no counter-argument to the fact that they always griped, including times when the griping was unnecessary and overblown.

lol problem with difficult phrases


no wonder the analogy flew over your face.

Sorry. :depressed

lol bitchmade mom analogies :lol

[mouse]

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[mouse]

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[mouse]

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[mouse]

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[mouse]

please don't share these photos we must not upset Blake.

[BlackSwordsMan]

I told elnono multiple times to back up his tranny porn on another uploading sites.

[ElNono]

I told elnono multiple times to back up his tranny porn on another uploading sites.

uploading to mouse's servers right now, tbh :hat

[mouse]

I never mistook Blake as a Tree huger how far off was my Gaydar?

[BlackSwordsMan]

Blake is just part of the system MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

[mouse]

Blake your still




http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/222-5.jpg

[marini martini]

I ♥ Blake, he has two kick ass bathrooms! LoL! :toast

[mouse]

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[mouse]

I suggest you copy the photo above

[mouse]

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[DarrinS]

Hopefully none of the self righteous people in here ever copy/paste any text/images/content from the www and paste it here.

[Blake]

My statement:


lol problem with difficult phrases

Lol no unnecessary griping found

Rofl dead man griping

[Blake]

Hopefully none of the self righteous people in here ever copy/paste any text/images/content from the www and paste it here.

You mean like those youtube clips you constantly put up in the political forum?

[leemajors]

http://gizmodo.com/5877987/the-best-worst-photos-of-megaupload-kim-dotcom

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2012/01/512a27af4de938e9befc1f303d307dd2.jpg

[Nathan Explosion]

Well I suppose this part is true.


Not really. You could say I voyeured it or something though.

No different than standing outside the fence at a drive in, tuning your headphones into the station broadcasting the sound and watching the movie. You didn't pay to get in, but you still got to see the movie on the screen. If that wasn't an option, you'd just wouldn't watch the movie. I'm the same way.

I was like that with Black Swan. I wouldn't have even paid the dollar to get it on Redbox, I just wasn't interested. When I heard about the "scene" I found it and watched it. Turned out to be a good movie. After seeing it online, I was much, much more likely to buy the movie than before, where I was never going to buy the movie.

That's not the only time for me where that's happened. Why should I spend the $30 it costs sometimes to see the movie in the theater, then fork over another $20 for a DVD or $30 for Blu Ray to "own" the movie? And more often than not, if I don't see the movie initially, I might never see it. But the interesting thing is, I've seen maybe 4 movies online because usually the quality is shit (I bought Predator because I wanted to see it, looked it up and found pretty shitty copies, then say fuck it and bought it). I tend to watch shows online and as normally is the case, it's a show that I missed and heard good things about, so I'm playing catchup (see: Homeland). Which then makes it much more likely for me to spend the money to get the channel to watch the show as the season airs.

Pirating won't stop, it will just evolve like always. VCRs were around. Then CD burners. Then DVD burners. Now Blu Ray burners and online media. It's not stopping.

What makes the matter so funny is that the bills proposed are dealing with piracy but can also be used to take down sites that have nothing to do with piracy, all based on an accusation. It's bordering on violating our 1st amendment rights.

[Nathan Explosion]

BTW, what's going on is simple economics. The was a demand for a product. The product is reaching a price point where the demand is starting to drop. Eventually the treshhold will be crossed where the supply is exceeding the demand.

The piracy becomes rampant when someone offers to provide the same content at a much better (more demanded) price. If the studios would put out more quality content at a better price (say $20 for the whole thing instead of $30) people would definitely be more likely to pay for the content.

The problem with the studios is they thing throwing money at the problem will solve it. "Storyline is shit? Make it 3D and try and force every movie to be 3D." "No real plot to the movie? Hire the biggest star and pay him $20 million so people will come and watch." "Can't create an original story? Hire the $20 million star and recreate an old movie/tv show and hope that nostalgia will bring everyone to the theater."

And don't even get me started on the record companies. Their ship sailed long ago when they kept pushing the same tired trends on us instead of being innovative with the business model and their talent.

[Spur_Fanatic]

I hope Anonymous shuts everything down.

[Heat Miser]

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[Heat Miser]

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[mingus]

BTW, what's going on is simple economics. The was a demand for a product. The product is reaching a price point where the demand is starting to drop. Eventually the treshhold will be crossed where the supply is exceeding the demand.

The piracy becomes rampant when someone offers to provide the same content at a much better (more demanded) price. If the studios would put out more quality content at a better price (say $20 for the whole thing instead of $30) people would definitely be more likely to pay for the content.

The problem with the studios is they thing throwing money at the problem will solve it. "Storyline is shit? Make it 3D and try and force every movie to be 3D." "No real plot to the movie? Hire the biggest star and pay him $20 million so people will come and watch." "Can't create an original story? Hire the $20 million star and recreate an old movie/tv show and hope that nostalgia will bring everyone to the theater."

And don't even get me started on the record companies. Their ship sailed long ago when they kept pushing the same tired trends on us instead of being innovative with the business model and their talent.

I don't think anyone is arguing that CDs were too expensive and that they should've been cheaper. The point is you don't steal just get something you can't pay for. You don't steal a Porsche because you think it's too expensive.

[Nathan Explosion]

I don't think anyone is arguing that CDs were too expensive and that they should've been cheaper. The point is you don't steal just get something you can't pay for. You don't steal a Porsche because you think it's too expensive.

But Porsche has a business model that allows them to be profitable. The record companies/movie studios are bitching about losing money they never would have made because of the over priced inferior product they are offering. That's like me complaining about all the money I'm losing because I'm not allowed to work 50 hours at work. I'm not losing money because I never had it in the first place.

A Porsche is worth the cost because of a certain amount of qualitu you expect for the cost. A movie is overpriced and underwhelming these days, yet the costs keep going up.

If the movie is great, more often than not, people will watch. But consumers ate so jaded now that a lot of good movies get lost in the shuffle of bad movies and people get tired of paying for a bad product.

[mingus]

But Porsche has a business model that allows them to be profitable. The record companies/movie studios are bitching about losing money they never would have made because of the over priced inferior product they are offering. That's like me complaining about all the money I'm losing because I'm not allowed to work 50 hours at work. I'm not losing money because I never had it in the first place.

A Porsche is worth the cost because of a certain amount of qualitu you expect for the cost. A movie is overpriced and underwhelming these days, yet the costs keep going up.

If the movie is great, more often than not, people will watch. But consumers ate so jaded now that a lot of good movies get lost in the shuffle of bad movies and people get tired of paying for a bad product.

you can argue whether or not that they would've made that money. some music is only available on CDs. for example the Beatles. i agree that they have no argument in most cases.

what angers me though and why i posted what i posted is that programs like itunes were spawned by a bunch of people doing something illegal. i'm glad i wasn't a part of it.

[mouse]

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[mouse]

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[mouse]

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[mouse]

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[mouse]

Do you see the big picture?

[leemajors]

you can argue whether or not that they would've made that money. some music is only available on CDs. for example the Beatles. i agree that they have no argument in most cases.

what angers me though and why i posted what i posted is that programs like itunes were spawned by a bunch of people doing something illegal. i'm glad i wasn't a part of it.

:lmao iTunes spawned by a bunch of people doing something illegal? Beatles digital copies have been iTunes exclusive for a while now.

[Blake]

Blake you must be a Hit at parties!

do you bring all these hilarious pictures to parties?

They suck here, so they would suck there too, tbh.

[Blake]

No different than standing outside the fence at a drive in, tuning your headphones into the station broadcasting the sound and watching the movie. You didn't pay to get in, but you still got to see the movie on the screen. If that wasn't an option, you'd just wouldn't watch the movie. I'm the same way.


That's a terrible analogy. :lol

[Spurminator]

You don't steal a Porsche because you think it's too expensive.

But if I had the means to build my own Porsche, maybe I would. I suppose you think Porsche should then sue me?

[Wild Cobra]

But if I had the means to build my own Porsche, maybe I would. I suppose you think Porsche should then sue me?
Made me think of this song:

rWHniL8MyMM

[Blake]

But if I had the means to build my own Porsche, maybe I would. I suppose you think Porsche should then sue me?

Do you think Porsche couldn't sue you?

[koriwhat]

mouse just posting the stupid photos and lame replies he's supposed to.

[Blake]

mouse just posting the stupid photos and lame replies he's supposed to.

I bet he's a real pain in the ass at parties.

[Spurminator]

Do you think Porsche couldn't sue you?

I don't know. But it would be a dick thing to do, just like it would be a dick thing to support them on it.

[Blake]

I don't know.

If they have patents on their designs and you copy them, the answer is yes they could.


•A U.S. patent was approved February 16, 2010 for the design of a Porsche Panamera convertible.

http://www.insideline.com/porsche/panamera/porsche-panamera-convertible-to-come-to-america-us-patent-confirmed.html


Patent infringement consists of the unauthorized making, using, offering for sale or selling any patented invention within the United States or United States Territories, or importing into the United States of any patented invention during the term of the patent.

When patent infringement happens, the patentee may sue for relief in the appropriate Federal court.

http://inventors.about.com/od/patentinfringement/a/Infringement.htm



But it would be a dick thing to do, just like it would be a dick thing to support them on it.

Of course a pirate would think it's a dick thing to do.

It's really more of a dick thing to support piracy, tbh.

[Spurminator]

:lmao

Seriously? You would have a problem someone BUILDING THEIR OWN PORSCHE?

Hell, I don't even think it was that good of an analogy to piracy, tbh. It's more like slapping a fake Nike logo on some generic shoes and wearing them around. I suppose you'd cheer Nike suing the shit out of someone for doing that as well.

lol corporate teabagger

[Blake]

:lmao

Seriously? You would have a problem someone BUILDING THEIR OWN PORSCHE?

Hell, I don't even think it was that good of an analogy to piracy, tbh. It's more like slapping a fake Nike logo on some generic shoes and wearing them around. I suppose you'd cheer Nike suing the shit out of someone for doing that as well.

lol corporate teabagger

I don't give a shit what someone else does that doesn't directly concern me, whether it's building the copy or Porsche suing them over it.

I also wouldn't have a problem with Nike suing someone for putting their logo on some crap quality shoes.

lol Long John Spurminator

[Spurminator]

Hey it's good to see you have convictions. Glad people like you are willing to boldly stay out of the way in the face of frivolous and overreaching claims against regular people. :tu :tu

lol still thinking I give a shit if you call me a pirate.

<<<< PIRATE

Better call the cops!

[Blake]

Hey it's good to see you have convictions. Glad people like you are willing to boldly stay out of the way in the face of frivolous and overreaching claims against regular people. :tu :tu

Regular people like you stealing movies?

rofl the convictions of a pirate.


lol still thinking I give a shit if you call me a pirate.

<<<< PIRATE

Better call the cops!

You aren't stealing from me. No need for me to call the cops, matey.

[mingus]

But if I had the means to build my own Porsche, maybe I would. I suppose you think Porsche should then sue me?

if you're copying their design and mechanics, then you should be sued. that is their creative product. if you've copied it, then you should be sued. you can take bits of pieces of it and make it your own, but if you've taken the whole model and simply re-created it, then they should be able to sue you. it's copying. it's a copyright violation.

[mingus]

You aren't stealing from me. No need for me to call the cops, matey.

so if you see someone mugging a person, you're not calling the cops because it didn't affect you?

you sound like an athiest...

[Blake]

so if you see someone mugging a person, you're not calling the cops because it didn't affect you?

you sound like an athiest...

I'd probably help out the person getting mugged while you are on your cell phone calling the cops.

I can also assume that when you see someone illegally downloading a movie on their computer, you are calling the cops?

You sound like a dipshit.

[leemajors]

What happened is people signed contracts with Porsche that said any IP they come up with is the property of Porsche while they were working on prototypes and design (I have signed a similar contract for my job). Since Porsche paid them a lot of money, they signed the contract. These people now get no recognition, credit for their hard work - maybe a larger bonus at the end of the year regardless of whether Porsche licenses their IP to other companies. What if a few of these people either go to a new company or make their own car on the side? These people can now be sued because of the stupid world we live in, even though they are working with designs and concepts they developed themselves through years of hard work.

[IronMaxipad]

Another one bites the dust




R.I.P. FileSonic & Uploaded.to


So you have no doubt heard about the insanity surrounding the shutting down of MegaUpload, particularly the wild story about how the file-sharing website's founder was arrested in high fashion. Well, this has all clearly spooked other file-sharing services, including FileSonic. If you go to its homepage, you're greeted by a message that reads: "All sharing functionality on FileSonic is now disabled. Our service can only be used to upload and retrieve files that you have uploaded personally." Not only that, but Uploaded.to is no longer available for use in the U.S.

Wow. Do you think anyone else will fold in light of the ongoing witch hunt? And could a major player like Mediafire go under?


http://www.prefixmag.com/news/filesonic-disables-file-sharing/60803/

[IronMaxipad]

Fileserve too damn

http://i.imgur.com/bqNaG.png

[CubanSucks]

Regular people like you stealing movies?

rofl the convictions of a pirate.

wait a second, you pay for your movies and music?

http://i43.tinypic.com/3127clh.jpg

[TDMVPDPOY]

lets see what happens to mediafire...based in texas..lol

http://blog.mediafire.com/2012/01/mediafires-position-in-the-cloud-storage-market/

[TDMVPDPOY]

actually with the way things are going

how many ppl are going to downgrade their ISP plans...

[IronMexican]

If Mediafire goes down, I might just end my life.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

motherfucker! I had just reupped with Fileserve!

[JoeChalupa]

I am so far out of the loop on this stuff. If I want to listen to tunes I just use spotify and I have netflix for movies. Mouse used to try to show how to get movies and then zip file and unzip but I never got it.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i think they are goinig to change all the hosts servers how the operate...login accounts and can only upload/download from the same person, no sharing of links...

so much for cloud computing

[Leetonidas]

so if you see someone mugging a person, you're not calling the cops because it didn't affect you?

you sound like an athiest...

Blake and mingus just being the faggots they're supposed to be.

You sound like a pedophile...

8z_9H5P_1To

[Blake]

wait a second, you pay for your movies and music?

Yeah, luckily I can afford to.

Stealing from torrent sites or sneaking into movie theaters is beneath me.

[koriwhat]

Yeah, luckily I can afford to.

Stealing from torrent sites or sneaking into movie theaters is beneath me.

"oh i'm so much better than yall!" stfu

btw, how do you steal from a torrent site? or how do you steal at all off the internet? i haven't snuck into a movie since i was like 12 yrs old and nowadays, there's no movies worth sneaking into, most suck and have sucked for over a decade now.

get over yourself dipshit.

[Blake]

"oh i'm so much better than yall!" stfu

btw, how do you steal from a torrent site? or how do you steal at all off the internet?

i haven't snuck into a movie since i was like 12 yrs old and nowadays, there's no movies worth sneaking into, most suck and have sucked for over a decade now.

get over yourself dipshit.

So taking something that doesn't belong to you (without permission) is not beneath you?

[koriwhat]

So taking something that doesn't belong to you (without permission) is not beneath you?

i don't steal, i download.

[koriwhat]

So taking something that doesn't belong to you (without permission) is not beneath you?

i don't steal, i download.

[CubanSucks]

Yeah, luckily I can afford to.

Stealing from torrent sites or sneaking into movie theaters is beneath me.


So taking something that doesn't belong to you (without permission) is not beneath you?

:tu good to know someone's still fighting the good fight. Keep it up!

Unfortunately it's too late for me. btjunkie has been a great friend of mine and I don't see us ever leaving each other.


sneaking into movie theaters is beneath me.

I was about to say that I haven't done that kind of childish shit in forever, but then I remembered that me and a couple friends this past summer each paid a third for 1 movie ticket and I went in and opened the door on the side of the building for them. :depressed Thinking of all the lives lost and all the people I put on the street because of it still keeps me up at night

[Blake]

i don't steal, i download.

without permission?

you're stealing.

[Blake]

:tu good to know someone's still fighting the good fight. Keep it up!

I was about to say that I haven't done that kind of childish shit in forever, but then I remembered that me and a couple friends this past summer each paid a third for 1 movie ticket and I went in and opened the door on the side of the building for them. :depressed Thinking of all the lives lost and all the people I put on the street because of it still keeps me up at night

some people have lower moral standards than others.

that'll happen.

[koriwhat]

without permission?

you're stealing.

well, my mommy wasn't home so i really had no one to ask permission of.

[cantthinkofanything]

well, my mommy wasn't home so i really had no one to ask permission of.

your mom says "quit it". And "glurg".

[mingus]

Blake and mingus just being the faggots they're supposed to be.

You sound like a pedophile...

8z_9H5P_1To

so just because someone says "as God is my witness" it means they're religious? you must believe everything you hear to be true. which means that you are easily manipulated. which explains why you're a pirate: you let people manipulate you into thinking that piracy/bootlegging is in fact legal. for an athiest, you sure are good at ignoring obvious facts.

[mingus]

i don't steal, i download.

can explain how those two things are mutually exclusive?

of course you can't.

[Spurminator]

you must believe everything you hear to be true. which means that you are easily manipulated.

Says the guy who will not draw a distinction between copying for personal use and theft.

The irony...

[Leetonidas]

so just because someone says "as God is my witness" it means they're religious? you must believe everything you hear to be true. which means that you are easily manipulated. which explains why you're a pirate: you let people manipulate you into thinking that piracy/bootlegging is in fact legal. for an athiest, you sure are good at ignoring obvious facts.

:fishing

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I was about to say that I haven't done that kind of childish shit in forever, but then I remembered that me and a couple friends this past summer each paid a third for 1 movie ticket and I went in and opened the door on the side of the building for them. :depressed Thinking of all the lives lost and all the people I put on the street because of it still keeps me up at night

I've been known to take my own 3D previously kept glasses, pay for a regular movie at about the same time, and switched auditoriums to watch the 3D flick. I've also auditorium surfed to watch a second movie.

[Leetonidas]

so just because someone says "as God is my witness" it means they're religious? you must believe everything you hear to be true. which means that you are easily manipulated. which explains why you're a pirate: you let people manipulate you into thinking that piracy/bootlegging is in fact legal. for an athiest, you sure are good at ignoring obvious facts.

I'd also like to point out that I never once advocated/spoke against piracy in this thread. Nice baseless assumptions. Thanks for keeping my first post in this thread relevant :tu

[mingus]

I'd also like to point out that I never once advocated/spoke against piracy in this thread. Nice baseless assumptions. Thanks for keeping my first post in this thread relevant :tu

so you're taking part in something that you're not sure you agree with on a moral level? you sound like a man of principle and conviction.

[mingus]

Says the guy who will not draw a distinction between copying for personal use and theft.

The irony...

if for your own use you copied it off of a CD that YOU bought, then i don't have a problem with that. i never once said i agreed with the law in its entirety. if however you copied/downloaded it from some guy off of a file-sharing program then, even if it's for your own use and you don't plan on sharing it, that's illegal. have you not done the latter?

[koriwhat]

1's and 0's... that's what i'm downloading... just a bunch of 1's and 0's.

btw, you're a silly cunt.

[Leetonidas]

so you're taking part in something that you're not sure you agree with on a moral level? you sound like a man of principle and conviction.

Holy fucking shit you're an idiot :lmao but then again you're a religite retard. Not posting on the matter in this thread =/= me taking part in something I don't "agree with on a moral level." fucking dipshit :lmao

[mingus]

Holy fucking shit you're an idiot :lmao but then again you're a religite retard. Not posting on the matter in this thread =/= me taking part in something I don't "agree with on a moral level." fucking dipshit :lmao

why can't you just man up and admit you're a pirate?

you are being overly sensitive. it is really not an issue to be overly sensitive about.

[Leetonidas]

That doesn't make sense.

[mingus]

have you pirated music? yes or no.

[Leetonidas]

Have you ever thought for yourself? No or no.

[ElNono]

have you pirated music? yes or no.

Maybe that's god's plan for him...

[mingus]

Have you ever thought for yourself? No or no.

you can do that without breaking the law.

[mouse]

why can't you just man up and admit you're a pirate?

You are being overly sensitive. It is really not an issue to be overly sensitive about.

^ rack!

[leemajors]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/248571/why_history_needs_software_piracy.html

[01Snake]

Looks like Quicksilverscreen (QSS) has decided to shutdown due to obvious pressure.

[IronMaxipad]

Interview with Kim DotCom

pF48PjCtW4k

[Reck]

He should save his leftover money for his lawyers.

[IronMaxipad]

He should save his leftover money for his lawyers.

I see we didn't watch the video.

[IronMaxipad]

Forgot to add. Fileserve is back up.

[Hooks]

Most people who download torrents would never buy that DVD or cd, I'd never shell out 30 bucks for a Blu ray movie. Lots of poor people from all over the country also download these movies because they couldn't afford them, so without torrent sites many of these downloaders still wouldnt buy these movies.

In my 21 years on this earth I literally never have bought a single DVD or cd my whole life because the prices, and I barely started using TPB maybe a year ago.

If all the torrent sites got shut down I really doubt DVD and cd sales go up dramatically.

[Reck]

I see we didn't watch the video.

I watched like 3 minutes of it. Couldn't keep on..

[CubanMustGo]

Holy shit, it's Jabba the Hut!

[Landon Donofag]

Most people who download torrents would never buy that DVD or cd, I'd never shell out 30 bucks for a Blu ray movie. Lots of poor people from all over the country also download these movies because they couldn't afford them, so without torrent sites many of these downloaders still wouldnt buy these movies.

In my 21 years on this earth I literally never have bought a single DVD or cd my whole life because the prices, and I barely started using TPB maybe a year ago.

If all the torrent sites got shut down I really doubt DVD and cd sales go up dramatically.

You're such a rebel. :cry:cry

[baseline bum]

Most people who download torrents would never buy that DVD or cd, I'd never shell out 30 bucks for a Blu ray movie. Lots of poor people from all over the country also download these movies because they couldn't afford them, so without torrent sites many of these downloaders still wouldnt buy these movies.

In my 21 years on this earth I literally never have bought a single DVD or cd my whole life because the prices, and I barely started using TPB maybe a year ago.

If all the torrent sites got shut down I really doubt DVD and cd sales go up dramatically.

I can understand the sentiment with music with the way they jacked the prices of CDs up to twice what cassettes were going for and then kept the price point there forever, but $20 to buy a DVD of a movie that cost $50-$100 million to make is expensive?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can understand the sentiment with music with the way they jacked the prices of CDs up to twice what cassettes were going for and then kept the price point there forever, but $20 to buy a DVD of a movie that cost $50-$100 million to make is expensive?

They charge the same price for ones that only cost $1m. They have multiple revenue streams. Box office receipts, cable contracts and syndication. Production companies milk it over and over again.

One thing that used to be a main income was road receipts for bands but in the 90s the quality of road shows seemed to go to shit. Why bother because gate receipts are a minority within the income available.

[Reck]

I understand people want to save a few bucks here and there but never buying a DVD because its 20 bucks? :lol

[Sense]

Seizure order "Null and Void"...


http://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-seizure-order-null-and-void-says-high-court-120318/

[Reck]

LOL police fail.

This is what happens when you just want to bomb rush shit without thinking things through.