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cheguevara
01-20-2012, 11:28 AM
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boutons_deux
01-20-2012, 11:31 AM
Fox News Most Distrusted (And Trusted) Name In News: Poll

Fox News is the most distrusted name in news, according to a new poll from Public Policy Polling.

The poll was released on Wednesday. Thirty-four percent of respondents said Fox News was their least trusted source for news. At the same time, however, the network came out on top as the most trusted news source. Another 34% of respondents reported that they trust Fox News the most. The network also saw its trust levels increase by three points since 2011.

The results coincided with political affiliation, with 68% of Republicans choosing Fox News as their most trusted source. Democrats were split almost evenly between PBS, CNN and ABC.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/19/fox-news-trusted-distrusted-poll_n_1217000.html?view=print&comm_ref=false

Che suckered by Fox as much as he is suckered by fantasy-spinner sociopathic RP.

cheguevara
01-20-2012, 11:32 AM
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cheguevara
01-20-2012, 11:33 AM
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Agloco
01-20-2012, 06:02 PM
Ron Paul for me is about 85% positive, 15% negative. Unfortunately, that 15% is so far off the reservation that it's a deal-breaker.....at least for me.

CosmicCowboy
01-20-2012, 06:13 PM
Ron Paul for me is about 85% positive, 15% negative. Unfortunately, that 15% is so far off the reservation that it's a deal-breaker.....at least for me.

That's my sentiments exactly...

Blake
01-20-2012, 06:27 PM
Eh, screw em all.

I'm not voting this year

CosmicCowboy
01-20-2012, 06:44 PM
It's interesting to contemplate if Ron Paul actually won the primary...the general election would be insane...Can you imagine Obama actually forced to run as the "hawk" on military spending and overseas involvement?

Cry Havoc
01-20-2012, 07:02 PM
It's interesting to contemplate if Ron Paul actually won the primary...the general election would be insane...Can you imagine Obama actually forced to run as the "hawk" on military spending and overseas involvement?

:lmao That's hilarious. He'd have to change 90% of his rhetoric.

Drachen
01-20-2012, 11:15 PM
:lmao That's hilarious. He'd have to change 90% of his rhetoric.

I didn't even think about this. What a great election that would be.

spursncowboys
01-20-2012, 11:24 PM
what sucks about military is that the process for military to vote is pretty lengthy and time consuming. Furthermore it is an absentee ballot.

Drachen
01-20-2012, 11:26 PM
what sucks about military is that the process for military to vote is pretty lengthy and time consuming. Furthermore it is an absentee ballot.


I would be willing to bet that a ron paul supporter military person would jump through multiple rings of fire to vote.

spursncowboys
01-21-2012, 12:10 AM
I would be willing to bet that a ron paul supporter military person would jump through multiple rings of fire to vote.
Maybe. There are just many many deadlines, depending on where you claim residency. It takes time in the daytime to contact government dept. to send paperwork. Then when you get the paperwork you have to return it. After that, you have to wait for your ballot and voters registration card. Then you have to send it within a certain time frame. Most of this has to be done in the work time part of the day, which is when most military jobs are demanding. It is just something to think about, for a guy who needs every vote he can get. I really think there should be a more streamlined easier way for military to do this.

Nbadan
01-21-2012, 01:46 AM
Ron Paul is no libertarian.....he is a Paloelibertarian.....

Read up on Ron Paul and his longtime association to Lew Rockwell...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Rockwell



In January, 1990 Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. published "The Case for Paleo-libertarianism" in Liberty magazine. Citing drug use by libertarians and the nomination of a prostitute as the California Libertarian Party candidate for lieutenant governor, Rockwell asserted that "the only way to sever libertarianism's link with libertinism is with a cleansing debate." Assailing alleged "hatred of western culture," he asserted that "pornographic photography, 'free'-thinking, chaotic painting, atonal music, deconstructionist literature, Bauhaus architecture, and modernist films have nothing in common with the libertarian political agenda - no matter how much individual libertarians may revel in them" and stated "we obey, and we ought to obey, traditions of manners and taste." After explaining why cultural conservatives could make a better argument for liberty to the middle classes, Rockwell predicted "in the new movement, libertarians who personify the present corruption will sink to their natural level, as will the Libertarian Party, which has been their diabolic pulpit."[1]

In 2003 Karen DeCoster quoted Lew Rockwell as having written:


Paleolibertarianism holds with Lord Acton that liberty is the highest political end of man, and that all forms of government intervention – economic, cultural, social, international – amount to an attack on prosperity, morals, and bourgeois civilization itself, and thus must be opposed at all levels and without compromise. It is 'paleo' because of its genesis in the work of Murray N. Rothbard and his predecessors, including Ludwig von Mises, Albert Jay Nock, Garet Garrett, and the entire interwar Old Right that opposed the New Deal and favored the Old Republic of property rights, freedom of association, and radical political decentralization. Just as important, paleolibertarianism predates the politicization of libertarianism that began in the 1980s, when large institutions moved to Washington and began to use the language of liberty as part of a grab bag of 'policy options.' Instead of principle, the neo-libertarians give us political alliances; instead of intellectually robust ideas, they give us marketable platitudes." [2]

In a 2007 interview Rockwell revealed he no longer considered himself a "paleolibertarian" and was "happy with the term libertarian." Regarding "paleolibertarian" he asserted:


This term was designed to address a very serious problem that libertarians in Washington had come to see themselves as a pleading pressure group hoping to find "market-based" solutions to public policy problems but within public policy, and thus do they support school vouchers, limited wars, managed trade, forced savings as an alternative to social security, and the like. Unfortunately, the term paleolibertarian became confused because of its association with paleoconservative, so it came to mean some sort of socially conservative libertarian, which wasn't the point at all – though the attempted definition of libertarian as necessarily socially leftist is a problem too.[3]

Paleolibertarianism is commonly distinguished by appreciation for American limited government constitutionalism and even anti-federalism, sometimes criticizing Abraham Lincoln for leading America toward a centralized, managerial state.[4] Paleolibertarians agree with Hans-Hermann Hoppe who writes that in a world where all property was private, immigration policy would be decided by individual property owners and not the state.[5][6]

Justin Raimondo's 1993 book Reclaiming the American Right links paleolibertarianism with the American Old Right.[7] In Democracy: The God That Failed by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Hoppe writes that "conservatives today must be antistatist libertarians and, equally important, libertarians must be conservatives". [8]

In 1996 during Ron Paul's run for United States congress, the issue of bigoted language in Ron Paul newsletters circa 1989-1994 arose. Paul had long been a close associate of Rothbard and Rockwell. In 2008, the libertarian publication Reason asserted that "a half-dozen longtime libertarian activists—including some still close to Paul" had identified Rockwell as the "chief ghostwriter" of the newsletters. According to Reason, Rockwell has denied responsibility for the disputed material and has called the accusations "hysterical smears aimed at political enemies."[9] The connection of these writings to "paleolibertarianism" continues to be made.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolibertarian

This is some wack stuff...

Drachen
01-21-2012, 09:41 AM
I prefer paleolibertarians to those neolibertarians who want to cut off my balls if my account balance drops below a certain daily average.

cheguevara
01-21-2012, 11:21 AM
What is wrong with having a prostitute run for office? Nothing wrong with drug use either.

what a weak argument.

agree, I prefer any of that over arms dealer Obama, 1% Romney and snake Gingrich abusing citizen's rights to profit the corporations. That is paradise compared to this warmongering police state where inequality is reaching all time numbers.

boutons_deux
01-21-2012, 11:32 AM
No matter who is elected (an Obama or a Paul or a hippie peacenik), the MIC and the national security/intelligence establishment will be immune to any Executive meddling, because they are a country and unchallengeable powers unto to themselves.