A true champion Horry speaks truth ...

[Killakobe81]

For full story click here (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/36003/robert-horry-shaq-vs-kobe-is-all-phil)

1. "I think Phil Jackson started that feud ... Phil liked it when there was some sort of conflict ..." - Shaq and Kobe have said the same.

2. Later it was blown out of proportion by the media and both players started doing something that didn’t make sense.

3. Horry also says Hakeem Olajuwon and Bryant are the best players he has ever played with. In the case of Bryant, he particularly credits his unmatched dedication.

Horry dropping pearls for yall that ..."just believe the hype" ...:wakeup

[Trill Clinton]

so he gone act like he didn't play alongside the best PF ever? Bob is cool, though. I bumped into him a few times at Bar 11.

[Koolaid_Man]

For full story click here (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/36003/robert-horry-shaq-vs-kobe-is-all-phil)

1. "I think Phil Jackson started that feud ... Phil liked it when there was some sort of conflict ..." - Shaq and Kobe have said the same.

2. Later it was blown out of proportion by the media and both players started doing something that didn’t make sense.

3. Horry also says Hakeem Olajuwon and Bryant are the best players he has ever played with. In the case of Bryant, he particularly credits his unmatched dedication.

Horry dropping pearls for yall that ..."just believe the hype" ...:wakeup

Thank you Killa...did you get the porn I sent of the lady in a hot creamy mess..:lmao...

Seriously... I already knew this but it's always good to hear it from other teammates...Hakeem and Kobe the best he's ever played with..didn't even mention Shaq or Duncan....the guys you know who supposedly were the team leaders...Hey Horry does have 7 rings so he's an authority on this subject - no one should argue it...

Spur fan want to rewrite history...Mav fan is completely oblivious and Heat fan wasn't even born then...A Prime Kobe leaves a Prime Lebron in the dust...even MJ acknowledges that...people want to forget Kobe's prime years but that N|gga put in some amazing work...It's why he has 5 rings and sits at #5 all time in scoring...

[DPG21920]

Kobe said Tim is the GOAT PF

[Koolaid_Man]

so he gone act like he didn't play alongside the best PF ever? Bob is cool, though. I bumped into him a few times at Bar 11.

N|gga get over it....Big Shot BOB has spoken...It's Kobe and Kakeem...
He's on the fucking money too...right along with my fave 5 all-time team:

Magic
MJ
Kobe
Kareem
Hakeem

[Giuseppe]

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[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe said Tim is the GOAT PF


He also told Vanessa he'd never cheat again :lol

[Trill Clinton]

Kobe said Tim is the GOAT PF

Okay I thought so. he told me the same at Bar 11.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe said Tim is the GOAT PF

You said Kori was your Aunt.

[Killakobe81]

Tim definitely deserves to be in the convo for GOAT PF, I would probably vote for him as well. But he is not as good as Hakeem or Kobe ...

[Koolaid_Man]

after that tramp stamp revelation he has my vote

[lefty]

Obviously , Horry never played with MJ, Magic or Bird

[lefty]

Tim definitely deserves to be in the convo for GOAT PF, I would probably vote for him as well. But he is not as good as Hakeem or Kobe ...
HE is not as good as Hakeem

But TD won 4 titles as the man



Unlike Kobe.........

[lefty]

Oh wait


The souce is Sports.ru? :lmao


In case you don't know, they invent a lot of stories


They are notorious for making shit up; just ask some NHL players

[Killakobe81]

HE is not as good as Hakeem

But TD won 4 titles as the man



Unlike Kobe.........

Oh dont get me wrong ... if we stacking careers I would give Duncan the nod over Hakeem and before the last 4 years I would have given him the edge over Kobe too.

But the question was just who was the best players he played with. Just because someone was a better player doesnt mean he had the better career. Shaq was greater than Duncan at his best, but to me Duncan's career was greater. even with the drop-off the past few years ...

[lefty]

Oh dont get me wrong ... if we stacking careers I would give Duncan the nod over Hakeem and before the last 4 years I would have given him the edge over Kobe too.

But the question was just who was the best players he played with. Just because someone was a better player doesnt mean he had the better carer. Shaq was greater than Duncan at his best, but to me Duncan's career was greater. even with the drop-off the past few years ...
Yeah but look at the source

As mentioned in my previous post .... not so credible

[lefty]

Sons, that Russian " journalist" is already backpedaling :lmao


https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/675387494/limo-snow_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/chernykh) @chernykh (https://twitter.com/chernykh) Alexander Chernykh


RT @lazenby (https://twitter.com/lazenby) I was there well before Phil arrived+the Shaq/Kobe fued was already alive. Just not known. I got in trouble for making it known

[Koolaid_Man]

Oh dont get me wrong ... if we stacking careers I would give Duncan the nod over Hakeem and before the last 4 years I would have given him the edge over Kobe too.

But the question was just who was the best players he played with. Just because someone was a better player doesnt mean he had the better career. Shaq was greater than Duncan at his best, but to me Duncan's career was greater. even with the drop-off the past few years ...

it's their sports site I understand you have to soften the blow...:lol

but those are pretty bold statements for a guy who never defended his crown...also are you basing this solely on titles what's your criteria because Spur fan dont base things on titles - remember :lol

[Killakobe81]

it's their sports site I understand you have to soften the blow...:lol

but those are pretty bold statements for a guy who never defended his crown...also are you basing this solely on titles what's your criteria because Spur fan dont base things on titles - remember :lol

Come on Kool, you know when comparing GREAT players that are close ... I go with rings to separate the HOF'ers from the all-time greats. But dumbasses try to throw Horry in the convo, which makes no sense at all.
Duncan is the boss at PF, but he is just not on the same level with those two ...

And Horry said the best HE had played with ...why would someone mention MJ, Bird or MAgic who never played with Horry? :lol

[midnightpulp]

Come on Kool, you know when comparing GREAT players that are close ... I go with rings to separate the HOF'ers from the all-time greats. But dumbasses try to throw Horry in the convo, which makes no sense at all.
Duncan is the boss at PF, but he is just not on the same level with those two ...

And Horry said the best HE had played with ...why would someone mention MJ, Bird or MAgic who never played with Horry? :lol

Not on the same level as Kobe when he has:

More Finals MVPs.
Better overall playoff statistics.
More titles won as the undisputed best player on his team.

Sure.

[midnightpulp]

I figured it'd be interesting to compare Kobe and Duncan's individual rankings and see who ranks better overall.

Points: Kobe 4th, Duncan 7th.
Rebounds: Duncan 5th, Kobe 40th.
Blocks: Duncan 4th, Kobe 35th.
Assists: Kobe 11th, Duncan 32th.
Steals: Kobe 7th, Duncan 56th.
True Shooting %: Duncan 94th, Kobe 115th.
Offensive rating: Kobe 102nd, Duncan 103rd.
Defensive rating: Duncan 15th, Kobe 142nd.
Win Shares: Duncan 6th, Kobe 9th.
PER: Duncan 5th, Kobe 20th.
Finals MVPs: Duncan 3 (in 4 Finals appearances), Kobe 2 (in 7 Finals appearances).

As you can see, both players win the categories they're supposed to. Kobe wins the perimeter stats, like steals and assists; and Duncan wins the big man stats, like rebounds and blocks. However, Duncan takes every advanced stat but one: offensive rating. And even then, Kobe is only one place above Duncan in that category, while Duncan is significantly ranked higher in all other advanced areas.

Now we know Kobefan will dismiss advanced stats because they have never been favorable to their boy, but as much as they will want to deny it, advanced stats are a legitimate statistical measurement and are useful when comparing players.

Finally tally: Duncan 7, Kobe 4.

[midnightpulp]

"Jesse Blanchard did a good job of explaining this during the faithful Daily Dime chat when he stated: “Kobe Bryant has been known to shut down his opponent whereas Tim Duncan was known to shut down entire offenses by himself”. Indeed, Duncan’s productivity as well as his efficiency have made the Spurs team a championship contender throughout his tenure in San Antonio while the same cannot be said about Bryant."

"There really isn’t any diplomatic way to this: Tim Duncan’s playoff performances essentially run circles over Kobe Bryant’s."

"Not only has Tim Duncan been better than Kobe Bryant during his entire career, one can only wonder: were we wrong in selecting Kobe Bryant as the player of the decade? It would sure seem as such."

[Giuseppe]

I figured it'd be interesting to compare Kobe and Duncan's individual rankings and see who ranks better overall.

Points: Kobe 4th, Duncan 7th.
Rebounds: Duncan 5th, Kobe 40th.
Blocks: Duncan 4th, Kobe 35th.
Assists: Kobe 11th, Duncan 32th.
Steals: Kobe 7th, Duncan 56th.
True Shooting %: Duncan 94th, Kobe 115th.
Offensive rating: Kobe 102nd, Duncan 103rd.
Defensive rating: Duncan 15th, Kobe 142nd.
Win Shares: Duncan 6th, Kobe 9th.
PER: Duncan 5th, Kobe 20th.
Finals MVPs: Duncan 3 (in 4 Finals appearances), Kobe 2 (in 7 Finals appearances).

As you can see, both players win the categories they're supposed to. Kobe wins the perimeter stats, like steals and assists; and Duncan wins the big man stats, like rebounds and blocks. However, Duncan takes every advanced stat but one: offensive rating. And even then, Kobe is only one place above Duncan in that category, while Duncan is significantly ranked higher in all other advanced areas.

Now we know Kobefan will dismiss advanced stats because they have never been favorable to their boy, but as much as they will want to deny it, advanced stats are a legitimate statistical measurement and are useful when comparing players.

Finally tally: Duncan 7, Kobe 4.

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Koolaid_Man]

I figured it'd be interesting to compare Kobe and Duncan's individual rankings and see who ranks better overall.

Points: Kobe 4th, Duncan 7th.
Rebounds: Duncan 5th, Kobe 40th.
Blocks: Duncan 4th, Kobe 35th.
Assists: Kobe 11th, Duncan 32th.
Steals: Kobe 7th, Duncan 56th.
True Shooting %: Duncan 94th, Kobe 115th.
Offensive rating: Kobe 102nd, Duncan 103rd.
Defensive rating: Duncan 15th, Kobe 142nd.
Win Shares: Duncan 6th, Kobe 9th.
PER: Duncan 5th, Kobe 20th.
Finals MVPs: Duncan 3 (in 4 Finals appearances), Kobe 2 (in 7 Finals appearances).

As you can see, both players win the categories they're supposed to. Kobe wins the perimeter stats, like steals and assists; and Duncan wins the big man stats, like rebounds and blocks. However, Duncan takes every advanced stat but one: offensive rating. And even then, Kobe is only one place above Duncan in that category, while Duncan is significantly ranked higher in all other advanced areas.

Now we know Kobefan will dismiss advanced stats because they have never been favorable to their boy, but as much as they will want to deny it, advanced stats are a legitimate statistical measurement and are useful when comparing players.

Finally tally: Duncan 7, Kobe 4.


let me repeat...a 1st option in SA is merely a 3rd option in LA...and don't you forget it midget...

[midnightpulp]

First, let’s look at the regularized adjusted +/- (RAPM) for this year alone. There is a decent amount of error when looking at this sample size, but it’s a good starting place. Here are the top 20 players according to the amount of love they got in All-Defensive team votes this year, sorted from best to worst by defensive RAPM:

http://asubstituteforwar.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/defrapm1011.jpg

Below Grant Hill :lmao

But will still make a fuckin' all-defensive team.

Over his career:

http://asubstituteforwar.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/def20apm0311.jpg?w=700&h=357

Is the trend clear? There have been 3 players who’ve dominated the All-Defensive team for the past decade: Bryant, Garnett, and Tim Duncan. Over any extended period, Garnett dominates the list, Duncan is near the top of the list, and Bryant is pretty much at the bottom.

Being at the bottom is visually striking, but it’s actually not that damning in and of itself. If my knock on Kobe was that he was only the 20th best defender in the league on average, this would not be that horrendous of a knock. After all, big men dominate these kind of lists, maybe he’s still one of the top 5 or so perimeter defenders in the game, no?

No. The more damning thing is that every metric I’ve broken down here has Kobe’s defensive impact as utterly average. -0.8, -0.6, 0.1, 0.1, these are not numbers of someone who is consistently a game changer on defense. The other guys given even half the love Kobe’s gotten over the year, pretty consistently do turn up on these metric doing quite well.

http://asubstituteforwar.com/2011/05/09/kobe-bryant-the-most-overrated-defender-imaginable/

Kirk Hinrich level defender! :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Players with all-time playoff OR/DR margins above 10:

Magic Johnson: 122, 107
MJ: 118, 104
Tim Duncan: 110, 98
Kareem: 114, 103
Hakeem: 112, 101
Larry Bird: 114, 104

[Koolaid_Man]

"Jesse Blanchard did a good job of explaining this during the faithful Daily Dime chat when he stated: “Kobe Bryant has been known to shut down his opponent whereas Tim Duncan was known to shut down entire offenses by himself”. Indeed, Duncan’s productivity as well as his efficiency have made the Spurs team a championship contender throughout his tenure in San Antonio while the same cannot be said about Bryant."

"There really isn’t any diplomatic way to this: Tim Duncan’s playoff performances essentially run circles over Kobe Bryant’s."

"Not only has Tim Duncan been better than Kobe Bryant during his entire career, one can only wonder: were we wrong in selecting Kobe Bryant as the player of the decade? It would sure seem as such."

If you can produce anywhere near similar opinions of Duncan from his peers then we can have an adult conversation...otherwise stay out of the room...

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[lefty]

Midnight shitting on Kool, Luva and Giuseppe

[midnightpulp]

If you can produce anywhere near similar opinions of Duncan from his peers then we can have an adult conversation...otherwise stay out of the room...

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"Michael Jordan would average 60 in today's game."

- Larry Brown

:lmao "Peer" opinions.

[Koolaid_Man]

Midnight shitting on Kool, Luva and Giuseppe


He's also shitting on 99% of players in the league....:lol


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[Koolaid_Man]

nothing else matters except these opinions mid...deal with that shit...Robert Horry was right..


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[midnightpulp]

And Kool, I operate in the realm of facts, not opinions.

[midnightpulp]

"peer" opinions. :lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

And Kool, I operate in the realm of facts, not opinions.

deal with it homie..no one gives a fuck about Ducan....no one :lol


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[midnightpulp]

Some more "peer" opinions:

"Shaq and Tim Duncan are the players of the decade."

- Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith

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[lefty]

Midnightpulp really tearing that ass up

[Koolaid_Man]

Midnightpulp really tearing that ass up

with his tongue :lol

[midnightpulp]

Midnightpulp really tearing that ass up

Pretty easy really. Kobefan posts the same hyperbolic comments again and again, which are easily disputed by an objective investigation of the facts.

I can find plenty of ridiculous comments made by players, GMs, and coaches.

[FkLA]

Tim definitely deserves to be in the convo for GOAT PF, I would probably vote for him as well. But he is not as good as Hakeem or Kobe ...

:lol

Kobe is the better individual talent, thats about it tbh. As far as better basketball player?Only a retard/Kobe fanboy would choose to build their team around Kobe instead of Duncan. The post-Shaq pre-Gasol era and this year should be enough evidence to show how bad Kome is at making teammates better. What Dream did in 95' and Timmy D did in 03' carrying teams on their backs, is something Kome was never able to do.

[Banzai]

Who gives a fuck really? both are great athletes. Enjoy their game now before they retire.

[Killakobe81]

Midnight "Hollinger pulp ...

[Ice009]

Killakobe81 : There is absolutely NO WAY Kobe is better player than Tim overall. NEVER, EVER. However, Kobe is better than Tim in decline, no arguments on that one, but PRIME and overall, no way.

The way Kobe is playing right now proves how much of a pathetic me first player he is. I've tried watching some Lakers games this season, but it is so hard to watch him play because he is out for his own, and that is the only way he wants to win, with himself being in the spotlight. That's not basketball.

Tim Duncan's favorite player is Magic Johnson, that should actually tell you something, yet you guys don't want to see it. Basketball is a team game. Kobe doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself.

If only Lebron we're a little bit better in the 4th quarter, then we wouldn't have to keep hearing about Kobe anymore ;).

Hakeem Olajuwon was also a me first player at one time, and he even said he was, but he did figure it out and became a team player. When he did become a team player he played at levels not many players can even dream of. Levels not even Kobe has been to, and if Kobe ever figured that out he might have been able to be a truly transcendent player.

[InK]

Yeh its a shame that he never figured it out. Such a waste. And mid taking a dump on you guys again, getting kinda boring and repetitive imvho. Maybe you should stay clear off him