Paul Pierce appreciation thread

[lefty]

He is a MAN


More cojones than Kobe, Lebron and Wade combined


26 pts and 10 assists in a comeback win yesterday :tu

[cheguevara]

who was guarding him?

[lefty]

who was guarding him?

Not Dwight

[cheguevara]

Orlando = San Antonio

shitty defensive teams.

Same thing that happened to Spurs in Miami happened in Orlando

[lefty]

Orlando = San Antonio

shitty defensive teams.

Same thing that happened to Spurs in Miami happened in Orlando
Yes, but they wre down 25 pts on the road, and they are TOSB

So, I still give him credit

[Killakobe81]

Not a big fan of him, but I respect his gangsta ... and his game.

[stretch]

Paul Pierce is one of the most underrated players ever.

No flash to his game at all. Not much athleticism to his game either. Focuses on fundamentals and has a fantastic jumpshot. All he needs is a small amount of space and can get his shots off, and he is as good as anyone at finding ways to create space. Oh and he's clutch as hell.

[JoeTait75]

Pierce reminds me of one of those rec-league players with a bad body and knee braces who still schools guys half his age. That's actually a compliment.

[stretch]

Pierce reminds me of one of those rec-league players with a bad body and knee braces who still schools guys half his age. That's actually a compliment.

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[Killakobe81]

Pierce reminds me of one of those rec-league players with a bad body and knee braces who still schools guys half his age. That's actually a compliment.

Tait good to see you around here, agree whole-heartedly. I don't think he is THAT underrated though. I think he is properly rated but people understimate him because he is not very fast nor jumps very high. I just think people forget when they mention the better players at his position because he is not very flashy. But he has been a better player than Melo and Durant or any other small forward of recent years. They guy has scored more points than Bird and if not for Artest making some key plays in Game 7 would only be 1 ring beind Larry Legend. No, he is not in Bird's class ... but the guys is nails.

[stretch]

IMO, hes underrated in terms of all-time talks.

As of right now, aside from Bird, I don't see any SF that are just flat out, unquestionably superior to Paul Pierce. Yes, that includes guys like Dr. J and Nique. Although Lebron will quite soon overtake the throne, right now I'd say Pierce is one of the best 5, maybe 3 SFs to play the game.

[lefty]

Stretch, with the goods :tu

[Killakobe81]

IMO, hes underrated in terms of all-time talks.

As of right now, aside from Bird, I don't see any SF that are just flat out, unquestionably superior to Paul Pierce. Yes, that includes guys like Dr. J and Nique. Although Lebron will quite soon overtake the throne, right now I'd say Pierce is one of the best 5, maybe 3 SFs to play the game.

You make some great points, SF is actually a position all-time that is relatively weak. I loved Nique but Pierce's game is more rounded. King was a greater scorer but I think Pierce's defense (especially after KD and Doc showed him how) is better than King's. I think a healthy TMAC and Hill would of had a shot ... but Pierce has been more durable and consistent than both. Pippen was great, but no where near as clutch as Pierce... but he was a great defender and a better passer. We all know Lebron will most likely pass them both but if you are discussing all around play Pierce is definitely in the class of those guys probably a notch behind Bird and eventually Lebron. Pippen vs. Nique vs. Pierce is an interesting debate though.

[stretch]

You make some great points, SF is actually a position all-time that is relatively weak. I loved Nique but Pierce's game is more rounded. King was a greater scorer but I think Pierce's defense (especially after KD and Doc showed him how) is better than King's. I think a healthy TMAC and Hill would of had a shot ... but Pierce has been more durable and consistent than both. Pippen was great, but no where near as clutch as Pierce... but he was a great defender and a better passer. We all know Lebron will most likely pass them both but if you are discussing all around play Pierce is definitely in the class of those guys probably a notch behind Bird and eventually Lebron. Pippen vs. Nique vs. Pierce is an interesting debate though.

Yeah, healthy T-Mac and Grant Hill are some of the most talented players ever. IMO T-Mac is the most naturally talented and gifted player I have ever seen.

If I had to choose between the three, of Pippen, Nique, and Pierce, I think I would take Pierce. Pippen is a perfect 2nd option, not really a true #1. Nique played like a #1, but as you said, not as rounded as Pierce, nor as skilled IMO. And when it comes to crunch time, none of them are as well suited for scoring in the clutch as Pierce. Pretty much, you HAVE to be able to hit tough jumpshots in the clutch, and Pierce does that as well as anyone.

[baseline bum]

Scotty has the be the #2 all-time at the position for me. Lockdown defensive player who could guard 4 positions, long arms that really cut down on passing lanes, point guard skills in a 6'8" frame, excellent athleticism, great in the open court, respectable jumpshot, and I can't forget him grinding out that game 6 in Utah when his back was in horrible shape and it looked like he barely walk, much less run in a playoff game.

[baseline bum]

McGrady has the be the most frustrating player in NBA history. In his Toronto days he looked like he was going to become another Pippen-level defender, but it's like he stopped giving a shit about that side of the floor once he signed that huge deal in Orlando.

[baseline bum]

McGrady has the be the most frustrating player in NBA history. In his Toronto days he looked like he was going to become another Pippen-level defender, but it's like he stopped giving a shit about that side of the floor once he signed that huge deal in Orlando.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

He is a MAN


More cojones than Kobe, Lebron and Wade combined


26 pts and 10 assists in a comeback win yesterday :tu

Suck his dick

[lefty]

You make some great points, SF is actually a position all-time that is relatively weak. I loved Nique but Pierce's game is more rounded. King was a greater scorer but I think Pierce's defense (especially after KD and Doc showed him how) is better than King's. I think a healthy TMAC and Hill would of had a shot ... but Pierce has been more durable and consistent than both. Pippen was great, but no where near as clutch as Pierce... but he was a great defender and a better passer. We all know Lebron will most likely pass them both but if you are discussing all around play Pierce is definitely in the class of those guys probably a notch behind Bird and eventually Lebron. Pippen vs. Nique vs. Pierce is an interesting debate though.


Yeah, healthy T-Mac and Grant Hill are some of the most talented players ever. IMO T-Mac is the most naturally talented and gifted player I have ever seen.

If I had to choose between the three, of Pippen, Nique, and Pierce, I think I would take Pierce. Pippen is a perfect 2nd option, not really a true #1. Nique played like a #1, but as you said, not as rounded as Pierce, nor as skilled IMO. And when it comes to crunch time, none of them are as well suited for scoring in the clutch as Pierce. Pretty much, you HAVE to be able to hit tough jumpshots in the clutch, and Pierce does that as well as anyone.


Scotty has the be the #2 all-time at the position for me. Lockdown defensive player who could guard 4 positions, long arms that really cut down on passing lanes, point guard skills in a 6'8" frame, excellent athleticism, great in the open court, respectable jumpshot, and I can't forget him grinding out that game 6 in Utah when his back was in horrible shape and it looked like he barely walk, much less run in a playoff game.


Amazing stuff guys



Thank you :cry

[stretch]

Scotty has the be the #2 all-time at the position for me. Lockdown defensive player who could guard 4 positions, long arms that really cut down on passing lanes, point guard skills in a 6'8" frame, excellent athleticism, great in the open court, respectable jumpshot, and I can't forget him grinding out that game 6 in Utah when his back was in horrible shape and it looked like he barely walk, much less run in a playoff game.

Can't argue this, in terms of skillset. But I still am not sure if he had what it really took to be a true #1. He still seemed mentally fragile at times (although thanks to Jordan was much tougher in that regards). Hard to forget him faking his migrane in G7 against Detroit...


McGrady has the be the most frustrating player in NBA history. In his Toronto days he looked like he was going to become another Pippen-level defender, but it's like he stopped giving a shit about that side of the floor once he signed that huge deal in Orlando.

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[jjktkk]

Suck his dick

Is it true you have a "how to" video of this in the tech forum?

[Spurminator]

1. Bird
2. Baylor
3. Havlicek
4. Pippen
5. Rick Barry

imo

[Leetonidas]

I just noticed Kobe has higher career FG% than Pierce... :wow

[mavs>spurs]

Is it true you have a "how to" video of this in the tech forum?

:lmao

[MavDynasty]

My nigga shoot em up tellin hoes how it is :lmao

[stretch]

I just noticed Kobe has higher career FG% than Pierce... :wow

Kobe's FG% really isnt nearly as bad as some people might think.

Pierces FG% IIRC is a little lower in large part to being on some AWFUL teams leading to poorer %'s a few years.

[mavs>spurs]

He with only the help of antoine freakin walker was enough to be a perennial 2nd rounder back in the day IIRC. Versatile scorer and solid defender in his younger days. Master of using his body and positioning to get the exact shot he wants, and of course as previously mentioned clutch. Wouldn't put him ahead of Pippen though.

1. Bird
2. Lebron
3. Pippen

IMHO.

[stretch]

He with only the help of antoine freakin walker was enough to be a perennial 2nd rounder back in the day IIRC. Versatile scorer and solid defender in his younger days. Master of using his body and positioning to get the exact shot he wants, and of course as previously mentioned clutch. Wouldn't put him ahead of Pippen though.

1. Bird
2. Lebron
3. Pippen

IMHO.

That's what I love about his game. He just finds ways to create space without needing to use much athleticism.

[LnGrrrR]

A local sportswriter said that, even when he was young, Paul Pierce still played an old man's game. I thought it was fitting. I'm going to miss all the times he pulled up, then headfaked/tricked his defender into leaping, then created contact for the foul/and-1.

[Latarian Milton]

dude's hardiness is what i like most bout this guy tbh, dude is tough as fuck and if you disagree please name one other player who could survive 11 knife cuts inflicted by a bunch of gangstas, and would return to game only a few months later

[Killakobe81]

Kobe's FG% really isnt nearly as bad as some people might think.

Pierces FG% IIRC is a little lower in large part to being on some AWFUL teams leading to poorer %'s a few years.

Stretch is right about both ...plus Pierce has to take a lot of 3's especialy on those Pierce Walker teams, where they were both the best post and perimeter players on the team.

[mystargtr34]

Stretch with the goods.

I've always rated Pierce highly, he's a rare player that had zero weaknesses in his game. He was a scorer, a playmaker, a shooter, really good defender, and clutch as hell. You look back through history, you wont find alot of guys with that combination.

Pippen and Pierce is probably a tossup, i dont know if there is a clear cut answer on who i would take. If i was starting a team, probably Pierce. As a second option, probably Pippen. As an all timer, Pippen's 6 rings probably give him the edge, but rings can be overplayed especially when one guy played with Jordan.

[mystargtr34]

Kobe's FG% really isnt nearly as bad as some people might think.

Pierces FG% IIRC is a little lower in large part to being on some AWFUL teams leading to poorer %'s a few years.

TS%

Kobe: .556%

Pierce: .569%

PP took a higher portion of 3's hence his FG% would naturally be lower and his TS% higher. Not only was PP a great scorer, he was a pretty efficient one aswell.

[mystargtr34]

28-10-8 today.. winding back the clock tbh.

[lefty]

28-10-8 today.. winding back the clock tbh.

In a win vs a good team too

Add to that 3 steals and 2 blocks

[mavs>spurs]

I'll never forget him hittin up al horford with the big "B" in that playoff game :lol

[ChrisRichards]

Hold your horses guys. Pierce is really good but he's not that great. For people to even put Pierce in Pippen's level really shows the age of the posters in this thread.


Pippen absolutely destroys Pierce in almost any basketball conversation you'd like to bring up. Pippen has the accolades and he was also the better overall basketball player. Pippen was an All Time great defender and an excellent playmaker, while Pierce was a really good scorer. You can pick your poison but I'd take the guy who can run the offense and defend extremely well.



Pippen would absolutely be a Top 10 player in todays league. I can see him easily putting up 25ppg 8apg 7rpg 2spg. Those are MVP numbers tbh.

[mavs>spurs]

^And in pierce's prime he put up very similar numbers to those while being a legitimate go to #1 guy on offense and being clutch as hell. Let's not forget pierce was a solid defender as well. While I agree and already stated that I'd personally take Pippen, they're definitely "on the same level." Saying otherwise puts you in that category of "ignorance" you just spoke of.

[ChrisRichards]

:lol Quite the opposite actually. Pierce best individual season cost the Celtics a trip to the the lottery. You simply cannot put a loser like Pierce in the same category as Pippen and Dr. J. Seriously, stop it.You don't put a guy like Chauncey Billups among the list of All Time greatest point guards just because he won a Finals MVP.

[mavs>spurs]

Why are you bringing Chauncey Billups into the discussion? Billups is nowhere near either Pippen or Pierce's level. Way to prove your point I guess?

[mavs>spurs]

All I know is pierce outplayed lebron and kobe both head to head en route to winning a championship and finals mvp. You make an argument for pippen by saying if Pippen played today, he would put up numbers very similar to what Pierce HAS done. Not a very convincing argument tbh.

[ChrisRichards]

That was one argument Paul Pierce fans used to say. Finals MVP=Greatness., there was a huge discussion on RealGM about these two a year or two ago.


Anyway, please proceed and tell me how Paul Pierce is on Pippen's level.

[ChrisRichards]

All I know is pierce outplayed lebron and kobe both head to head en route to winning a championship and finals mvp. .

Not true.

Kobe had the better Finals #'s.



You make an argument for pippen by saying if Pippen played today, he would put up numbers very similar to what Pierce HAS done. Not a very convincing argument tbh.

Didnt say that.

Try again boss.

[mavs>spurs]

It's already been laid out for you. Go to guy in the clutch, can get any shot he wants when he wants it. Incredibly efficient, evidenced by his outstanding true shooting percentage. Solid defender in his day, really played both Kobe and Lebron tough en route to winning that championship in 98. Paul Pierce's resume really speaks for himself. Just because you aren't a big fan personally doesn't take away from what he's accomplished, don't confuse personal bias with the facts.

[mavs>spurs]

Didnt say that.

Try again boss.

You did tbh.


Pippen would absolutely be a Top 10 player in todays league. I can see him easily putting up 25ppg 8apg 7rpg 2spg. Those are MVP numbers tbh.

[ChrisRichards]

I don't know why you're doubting those numbers considering Pippen rounded up more or less the same numbers accross the boards in 94-95, the same era where scoring was pretty rough for perimeter players.



My problem with your argument is you're obviously exaggerating Pierce calling him "extemely efficient" when in reality his numbers almost mirrors Kobe which happens to be one of the least efficient perimeter player of his era.



Also, I wouldn't credit Pierce in Kobe and Lebron's subpar numbers in those series. Boston was just that good defensively as a unit. tbh KG deserves more of that credit. While Pierce was in fact a good defender and can hold down the forth on short occassions, he was never in Scottie's level defensively.



Offensively, yes, he had his bright spots but again, in the Finals, Pierce came out flatter than Kobe Bryant ( Don't believe me? Check out both stats on both NBA Finals encounter) Additionally, Ray Allen came though more for the Celtics in the clutch than Pierce evident by Ray Allen's excellent games 4 & 6 in the 2008 NBA Finals, coincidentally, Pierce had a poor game on both games.

[Killakobe81]

I don't know why you're doubting those numbers considering Pippen rounded up more or less the same numbers accross the boards in 94-95, the same era where scoring was pretty rough for perimeter players.



My problem with your argument is you're obviously exaggerating Pierce calling him "extemely efficient" when in reality his numbers almost mirrors Kobe which happens to be one of the least efficient perimeter player of his era.



Also, I wouldn't credit Pierce in Kobe and Lebron's subpar numbers in those series. Boston was just that good defensively as a unit. tbh KG deserves more of that credit. While Pierce was in fact a good defender and can hold down the forth on short occassions, he was never in Scottie's level defensively.



Offensively, yes, he had his bright spots but again, in the Finals, Pierce came out flatter than Kobe Bryant ( Don't believe me? Check out both stats on both NBA Finals encounter) Additionally, Ray Allen came though more for the Celtics in the clutch than Pierce evident by Ray Allen's excellent games 4 & 6 in the 2008 NBA Finals, coincidentally, Pierce had a poor game on both games.

I don't know what world I am in, but I agree with CR again. I think Pierce is great but like I said I think he is properly rated many on here see him as underrated I disagree. He is great without being the swiftest, or a great leaper but you don't get "bonus" points for that either.

As for Pippen I do think he was better but not THAT much better like ... I said I think Pip and Pierce, are a "notch" below Bird and Lebron. And no he is not extremly efficent he has two HOF'ers at his side without them he was very inefficient, but in his defense he didn't have much choice.

I'm not a numbers guy, but I think I would take Pip. Sure Pierce is more clutch ...but Pip carried a Bulls team minus Mj and Horace Grant almost to the Finals ...

[Killakobe81]

I do think 25 and 8 is a bit of a stretch though not saying he could not but he never was a volume shot guy even when MJ left. I think 22 6 and 6 are very realistic ...

[LnGrrrR]

:lol Quite the opposite actually. Pierce best individual season cost the Celtics a trip to the the lottery. You simply cannot put a loser like Pierce in the same category as Pippen and Dr. J. Seriously, stop it.You don't put a guy like Chauncey Billups among the list of All Time greatest point guards just because he won a Finals MVP.

Chris Richards just proving why he's a gnmf tbqmfh

[endrity]

Always liked Pierce a lot, he really matured a lot through the years.

I remember in 07, I hoped the Mavs would pull a deal to get him to Dallas. The Celtics had a horrible season, did not get a great pick in the lottery, and would probably undergo a huge rebuilding with Al Jefferson and Rondo as centerpieces, or so I thought. The rest you is history as you guys know, but unlike ChrisRichards here I just wanted to say that I have always appreciated his game quite a bit. And the way he kept fighting in Boston even when it got rough is what I rate the most.

I am not sure I'd pick him in front of Pippen, Dr. J or even Elgin Baylor, and arguably Rick Barry and Bernard King had a higher ceiling though not the long career that Pierce has. But that is mostly due to the advancements in sport science. But he's somewhere in the top 10 of SF I'd think, probably ahead of guys like Nique and Havlicek. By the end of their career, LeBron and Durant should have overtaken him.

Not Melo though, that guy's career has taken a wrong path since the 09 WCF.

T-Mac... well he'd have been something special if his back would allow it. I really thought T-Mac would be an historic player and he had all the tools to do so. What a wasted chance!

[Giuseppe]

He looks a lot like the shit bag now. Neither one can get an appreciative separation from the floor.

[dunkman]

I just noticed Kobe has higher career FG% than Pierce... :wow

He gets fouled a lot and he shots a lot of 3's.

[ChrisRichards]

I am not sure I'd pick him in front of Pippen, Dr. J or even Elgin Baylor, and arguably Rick Barry and Bernard King had a higher ceiling though not the long career that Pierce has. But that is mostly due to the advancements in sport science. But he's somewhere in the top 10 of SF I'd think, probably ahead of guys like Nique and Havlicek. By the end of their career, LeBron and Durant should have overtaken him.

Thank you!


I don't know what world I am in, but I agree with CR again. I think Pierce is great but like I said I think he is properly rated many on here see him as underrated I disagree. He is great without being the swiftest, or a great leaper but you don't get "bonus" points for that either.

As for Pippen I do think he was better but not THAT much better like ... I said I think Pip and Pierce, are a "notch" below Bird and Lebron. And no he is not extremly efficent he has two HOF'ers at his side without them he was very inefficient, but in his defense he didn't have much choice.

I'm not a numbers guy, but I think I would take Pip. Sure Pierce is more clutch ...but Pip carried a Bulls team minus Mj and Horace Grant almost to the Finals ...

Thank you too.



Chris Richards just proving why he's a gnmf tbqmfh

Dude you have a wife and a kid it was past midenight and you're worrying about which ST member should have their name bolded? GTFO :lol

[FkLA]

Paul Pierce is one of the most underrated players ever.

No flash to his game at all. Not much athleticism to his game either. Focuses on fundamentals and has a fantastic jumpshot. All he needs is a small amount of space and can get his shots off, and he is as good as anyone at finding ways to create space. Oh and he's clutch as hell.


Pierce reminds me of one of those rec-league players with a bad body and knee braces who still schools guys half his age. That's actually a compliment.


A local sportswriter said that, even when he was young, Paul Pierce still played an old man's game. I thought it was fitting. I'm going to miss all the times he pulled up, then headfaked/tricked his defender into leaping, then created contact for the foul/and-1.

If I remember correctly, Im pretty sure Pierce used to drive alot when he was younger. I think he was always amongst the league leaders in FTAs. I remember this bc I always liked how good he was at absorbing contact, bigmen were always the ones bouncing back when he went up for a shot around the rim. Hes had to adjust his game as he aged but not sure I would call him crafty either tbh. Hes tall, has a high release, and uses the fadeaway well...I think thats the main reason why hes able to get his shot off whenever he wants not bc hes extremely crafty.

[Giuseppe]

Dude you have a wife and a kid it was past midenight and you're worrying about which ST member should have their name bolded? GTFO :lol

:lol

[LnGrrrR]

Dude you have a wife and a kid it was past midenight and you're worrying about which ST member should have their name bolded? GTFO :lol

Do you know what time zones are, and which one Honolulu is in? :lol retard

[LnGrrrR]

:lol

Culby showing his ignorant ass.

[Ashy Larry]

Inglewatts's Finest Baller

[lefty]

Bump


dude has been ballin lately

[Giuseppe]

Remember when he swore up & fucking down he wasn't coming back to Los Angeles?

tee, hee.

[pass1st]

Remember when he swore up & fucking down he wasn't coming back to Los Angeles?

tee, hee.

Fisher knew Pierce was going to be caught with his pants down
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[DeadlyDynasty]

Fuck Paul Pierce...primadonna celtic faggot

[lefty]

BUMP bitches !!!!!!!!!!!!

[lefty]

I said bump bitches !

[LnGrrrR]

I'm glad he didn't say that they weren't coming back to Miami :lol

[lefty]

I'm glad he didn't say that they weren't coming back to Miami :lol

:lol

[lefty]

Bump


Should have retired as a Celtic :cry

[Thread]

I won't ever forget him, 17 June 2010= scum at the corners of his mouth, wooly boogers stuck in his arms pits, Kobe breakin' off 9 inches in his black ass.

Buh, bye, Paul.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm guessing you won't forget Game 6 either though, amirite?

Whats funny is, I feel worse about PP and KG leaving that the Bruins losing. The Bruins are young and have more shots after all.

I hope they enjoy it in New York.

[Thread]

I'm guessing you won't forget Game 6 either though, amirite?

Whats funny is, I feel worse about PP and KG leaving that the Bruins losing. The Bruins are young and have more shots after all.

I hope they enjoy it in New York.

Please. They weren't Celtics in the true sense. Pierce is an old gangster & KG was a flash-in-the-pan. If KG was truly a legend he would have led them to more than the singular. He had us on the ropes ('60's-'80's vintage style) in '10 and could not close it. Media carried KG's water-&-turned a blind eye to Pierce's gang affiliation. Instead Media tied Rondo's black ass to the pillar & the post and beat it blue. No damn wonder Rondo wants to throttle Rivers.

[LnGrrrR]

Excuses, excuses.

- you know who said it

[lefty]

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