Quiz: Who are the real job creators?

[Nbadan]

Not even a close call...


http://i.imgur.com/pPywi.jpg

[DarrinS]

Neither of those people in your cartoon.


Teachers are employee creators, perhaps.

[Halberto]

nbadan buys into fantastic ideals

[mercos]

Nice. While I hate the narrative that the super rich are "job creators" the truth is that neither of those are really the job creators. This is a consumer driven economy. Consumers are the real job creators. That picture needs a third frame with some dude shopping at Wal Mart.

[Wild Cobra]

The job creators are the ones the liberals wish to tax more. More taxes, less money to pay employees.

[DMX7]

The job creators are the ones the liberals wish to tax more. More taxes, less money to pay employees.

Whether they make a profit of $1 billion or $1 million, companies pay employees as little as they can get away with. Your job is just another business expense, and companies aren't going to pay more for a business expense than they have to no matter what their tax rate is.

[Spurminator]

The job creators are the ones the liberals wish to tax more. More taxes, less money to pay employees.

The Mitt Romneys of America thank you for your support. :tu

[The Reckoning]

men?

sexist fuck

[ChumpDumper]

The real job creators are middle and lower class folks with disposable income.

[Agloco]

Nice. While I hate the narrative that the super rich are "job creators" the truth is that neither of those are really the job creators. This is a consumer driven economy. Consumers are the real job creators. That picture needs a third frame with some dude shopping at Wal Mart.


Whether they make a profit of $1 billion or $1 million, companies pay employees as little as they can get away with. Your job is just another business expense, and companies aren't going to pay more for a business expense than they have to no matter what their tax rate is.


The real job creators are middle and lower class folks with disposable income.

I see three winners right here.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't see mercos' post. Sorry.

[angrydude]

The real job creators are middle and lower class folks with disposable income.

except all the jobs they are creating are in china

[ChumpDumper]

except all the jobs they are creating are in chinaI didn't say where they were being created.

[mercos]

except all the jobs they are creating are in china

That is the fault of corporate America. The middle class grew exponentially and did very well when things were made in America even with higher labor costs. Business leaders did not move their operations over seas so poor people could get cheaper stuff at Wal Mart, they moved their operations over seas so they could line their pockets with higher profits on the backs of cheap labor. This is exhibit A in why what is good for business is not always good for the country.

[mavs>spurs]

"Job creator" is nothing more than a republican buzzword there is no such thing. As Chump pointed out, the backbone of a healthy economy is a strong middle class which they are working feverishly to destroy.

[The Reckoning]

id rather work in the service industry than manufacturing anyday.

[Wild Cobra]

That is the fault of corporate America. The middle class grew exponentially and did very well when things were made in America even with higher labor costs. Business leaders did not move their operations over seas so poor people could get cheaper stuff at Wal Mart, they moved their operations over seas so they could line their pockets with higher profits on the backs of cheap labor. This is exhibit A in why what is good for business is not always good for the country.
We had tariffs, then we had free trade.

Walmart actually carries quite a few items made in the USA. Other stores sell probably as many or more items as part of their inventory that are made over seas. To pick on Walmart alone, tells me you are a liberal lemming.

I used to be the one complaining in the 70's, when big stores started replacing the family stores. I do find irony in people now complaining about big stores eating each other up. Now that the thousands of individual stores are gone in a metro area, replaced by chain stores, franchises, Kroger, KKR owned, etc. Why does Walmart suddenly matter?

[Wild Cobra]

id rather work in the service industry than manufacturing anyday.
You like getting paid 1/2 to 1/3rd what manufacturing pays?

[The Reckoning]

You like getting paid 1/2 to 1/3rd what manufacturing pays?


if youre comfortable doing what youre doing, youll never work a day in your life. money doesnt mean shit to me, so long as im able to live comfortably within my own means.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You like getting paid 1/2 to 1/3rd what manufacturing pays?

Not as much as you like making shit up. Do you even know what service sector employment is?

Sure there is food service but another service example would be consulting work which pays at a much higher wage. Sure both have wage scales that go down to minimum wage but I do not imagine there are a ton of manufacturing jobs that bill $500 an hour.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Not as much as you like making shit up. Do you even know what service sector employment is?

Sure there is food service but another service example would be consulting work which pays at a much higher wage. Sure both have wage scales that go down to minimum wage but I do not imagine there are a ton of manufacturing jobs that bill $500 an hour.

wc is a whore for the agop ..he would take it up the a** if they asked him to

[Wild Cobra]

if youre comfortable doing what youre doing, youll never work a day in your life. money doesnt mean shit to me, so long as im able to live comfortably within my own means.
Now that I agree with. I can go out and find a better paying "parts changer' job, but I'm content where I'm at. Besides, servicing automation equipment that is classed being in a service industry doesn't have it's ups and downs (layoff) like in manufacturing. I was easily making more than 40% more than now, servicing manufacturing automation equipment, than the equipment I work on now.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Now that I agree with. I can go out and find a better paying "parts changer' job, but I'm content where I'm at. Besides, servicing automation equipment that is classed being in a service industry doesn't have it's ups and downs (layoff) like in manufacturing. I was easily making more than 40% more than now, servicing manufacturing automation equipment, than the equipment I work on now.

You say that but I don't believe that you could.

[Wild Cobra]

You say that but I don't believe that you could.
Do you honestly think I care what a Glob Fly like yourself thinks?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Do you honestly think I care what a Glob Fly like yourself thinks?

Do you really think that the audience of this venue is only you? Your empathy is limited and thus many of your takes we get to enjoy you fumble around with everyday. Thus your surprise at WH's link.

By all means continue.

[mercos]

We had tariffs, then we had free trade.

Walmart actually carries quite a few items made in the USA. Other stores sell probably as many or more items as part of their inventory that are made over seas. To pick on Walmart alone, tells me you are a liberal lemming.

I used to be the one complaining in the 70's, when big stores started replacing the family stores. I do find irony in people now complaining about big stores eating each other up. Now that the thousands of individual stores are gone in a metro area, replaced by chain stores, franchises, Kroger, KKR owned, etc. Why does Walmart suddenly matter?


The fact that you resorted to liberal name calling tells me you have weak arguments. You proved this point with the remainder of your post. Wal Mart was just one example. I am quite aware that most retailers sell cheap over seas goods. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not going to list them all in this thread. I used the largest and most known retailer.

[spursncowboys]

1. Companies that hire people are job creators. They need our money to make their product profitable and increase their employment. Not all companies pay the bare minimum (SWA, Bill Millers, my future coffee shop) but some do. The employee has the choice. For instance when I was a kid I had the option to work at McDonalds or Bill Millers. Mikey D's paid minimum where as B.M paid 40-50% higher to start.

2. Government is job creator. They have no incentive to make their product better or to have a better sales pitch than the next guy. Working around "contractors" for five years, I can tell you that it works terrible.

[spursncowboys]

The fact that you resorted to liberal name calling tells me you have weak arguments. You proved this point with the remainder of your post. Wal Mart was just one example. I am quite aware that most retailers sell cheap over seas goods. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not going to list them all in this thread. I used the largest and most known retailer.

Even though Walmart is a terrible employer, it does show in the interaction of most employees. Walmart, having the cheapest product, accepts this. They are selling low price. Not customer service.
Although I completely disagree with this model, it has a place in our market, as the profits show. However Walmart has helped to keep inflation down. All the lower and middle class people such as myself, that the liberals seem to make the centerstage for all their arguments are benefiting by being able to have more furniture, electronics and food in their house because of walmart.

[mercos]

The middle class may benefit by having cheaper consumer goods, but the cost of said goods is fewer good paying manufacturing jobs. The heavy losses the manufacturing sector has taken is one reason why middle income wages have been stagnant for decades. So you trade off good jobs for cheap stuff. Then when the price of everything else goes up, such as health care, fuel, food, etc, the middle class gets pinched.

[Wild Cobra]

The fact that you resorted to liberal name calling tells me you have weak arguments. You proved this point with the remainder of your post. Wal Mart was just one example. I am quite aware that most retailers sell cheap over seas goods. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not going to list them all in this thread. I used the largest and most known retailer.
By doing so, singled them out, and carry the liberal theme.

[Proxy]

By doing so, singled them out, and carry the liberal theme.

Do you honestly think your opinions are anymore correct than a liberal's?

Neither extreme will work. Capitalism and Socialism both have equal roles in this government. State and National regulation are both needed. You base your arguments on specific situations instead of the broad picture and it's all bullshit because it still doesn't disprove common sense.

People need to work for their money. No one likes a free loader. People born without a fair chance deserve help from social programs. Middle class should be protected in economic depression. The top percent should pay higher taxes in a crisis if need be.

The reason this country is taking a shit, is due to the lack of adaptability, intelligence, and empathy.

[Wild Cobra]

Do you honestly think your opinions are anymore correct than a liberal's?

That's a tricky statement. More correct? Not really as opinions. I will disagree with most liberal views though.


Neither extreme will work. Capitalism and Socialism both have equal roles in this government. State and National regulation are both needed.
I disagree with equal, but I agree with this otherwise.

You base your arguments on specific situations instead of the broad picture and it's all bullshit because it still doesn't disprove common sense.

No I don't, at least not the same way. I was pointing out using "Walmart" was being specific rather than general.


People need to work for their money. No one likes a free loader. People born without a fair chance deserve help from social programs. Middle class should be protected in economic depression.
Agreed.

The top percent should pay higher taxes in a crisis if need be.

They do pay higher taxes at the same tax rate. Why should the tax rate be higher too? Just because they can afford it? That becomes Marxist thinking.


The reason this country is taking a shit, is due to the lack of adaptability, intelligence, and empathy.

I won't disagree with that, though we will probably disagree in how that statement applies.