Name the Spurs player with the 5th highest TS% in the NBA

[Rummpd]

At a hint for awhile this year it looked like this guy had lost it offensively but he has surged in this area and is not only 5th in the NBA but also the highest among all those Hollinger deem's centers leaguewide:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?league=west&sort=trueShootingPct&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fleague%3dwest%26sort%3 dtrueShootingPct

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=c&league=west&sort=trueShootingPct&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fposition%3dc%26league% 3dwest%26sort%3dtrueShootingPct

[ala the unstoppable (albeit, in the misterious paradigm of his limitations of his minutes by one Greg Popovich despite also playing pretty fair defense) ala the Spur's Tiago Splitter]

Splitter's is 0.646

TS%: True Shooting Percentage - what a player's shooting percentage would be if we accounted for free throws and 3-pointers. True Shooting Percentage = Total points / [(FGA + (0.44 x FTA)]

[Amuseddaysleeper]

tiago

[Kindergarten Cop]

I don't think many on this forum will take this stat that seriously once they notice who comes in at #11.

[jestersmash]

Ginobili had a TS% of roughly 75 (best in the league) or so through the first 5 games of the season (it also gave him the best PER in the league :lol)

Looks like enough games have occurred to render Manu's 5 game sample size insufficient for ranking.

[jestersmash]

I don't think many on this forum will take this stat that seriously once they notice who comes in at #11.

A reasonable fan would look at the statistics dispassionately and follow them wherever they go.

Spurstalk fans (minus timvp/harlemheat and a handful of others who - to my delight - have been increasingly using advanced statistics in their analyses to objectively underscore their points) take statistics into account only when they speak favorably about their favorite players and ignore them when they speak favorably about Bonner.

[Kindergarten Cop]

A reasonable fan would look at the statistics dispassionately and follow them wherever they go.

Spurstalk fans (minus timvp/harlemheat and a handful of others who - to my delight - have been increasingly using advanced statistics in their analyses to objectively underscore their points) take statistics into account only when they speak favorably about their favorite players and ignore them when they speak favorably about Bonner.

I cannot disagree with anything you just said.

[Gagnrath]

A reasonable fan would look at the statistics dispassionately and follow them wherever they go.

Spurstalk fans (minus timvp/harlemheat and a handful of others who - to my delight - have been increasingly using advanced statistics in their analyses to objectively underscore their points) take statistics into account only when they speak favorably about their favorite players and ignore them when they speak favorably about Bonner.


Jestersmash, I agree with what you say in that people will cherry pick stats for their own points. However I also feel that many stats while a useful tool to help quantify what your own eyes are telling you or to help you understand results that you don't see will often times be capable of showing results that can be full of misinformation. An example of this would be a line-up of players that compensate for each other weaknesses. Playing an offensive oriented player with a defensive one and having him switch to the weaker offensive player on the other team will make his defense appear much stronger in the stats. A point guard who dribble penetrates on a team that makes an extra pass on the outside might have low assist numbers but his teammates will have higher ones.

I am just wanting to point out here that the stats don't exist in a vacuum and that for example being the guy guarding Bruce Bowen on the other team probably had pretty good defensive stats that game.

[Kindergarten Cop]

to be fair, brazil is known for its abundance of convincing transsexuals, so it should come as little surprise that Tiago has hooked up with more than his fair share

imho imho tbqh fwiw

:wtf

[ffadicted]

lol @ using a stat in which Ian Mahinmi is top 10/top 5 west

[The Reckoning]

to be fair, brazil is known for its abundance of convincing transsexuals, so it should come as little surprise that Tiago has hooked up with more than his fair share

imho imho tbqh fwiw


:lmao

[jesterbobman]

Jestersmash, I agree with what you say in that people will cherry pick stats for their own points. However I also feel that many stats while a useful tool to help quantify what your own eyes are telling you or to help you understand results that you don't see will often times be capable of showing results that can be full of misinformation.

I know I'm cherry picking this bit of your post, and generally agree that stats don't exist in a vacuum, and while the individual valuations of players are getting better, the complementarity of players still needs work.

Advanced Stats can also go the other way, and correct information that we process, moving from biased perspectives towards an objective measure. Properly incorporating the values of rebounds, turnovers, missed shots etc and looking at efficiency of players can correct the conventional wisdom on players.

A simple example might be the impact of a couple of missed rotations in a game, that lead to open shots. If the team makes rotations in general, those missed rotations are going to stick out.

Say it means that a player has an open 15 foot jumpshot rather than a contested jumpshot twice per game. If the player shoots 60% on that open jumpshot, and shoots 40% on the contested shot, the negative value is the difference in expected value between the two possesions. To simplify, say teams get 25% of offensive rebounds, and score 1 point per possesion.

The good rotation, the player makes 0.8 shots(40% x 2) for 1.6 points, and will get 0.3 offensive rebounds(1.2 x 25%), for an additional 0.3 points. Net of 1.9 points over 2 possesions.

The bad rotation, the player makes 1.2 shots(60% x 2) for 2.4 points, and will get 0.2 offensive rebounds(.8 x 25%), for an additional 0.2 points. Net of 2.6 points over 2 possesions.

Net effect of 0.7 Points isn't nothing, but the two missed rotations are memorable and will effect valuations much more than they should. It's made up by having half a turnover less per game(additional .5 points) and shooting 42% rather than 37% on 3's, both of which are probably thought of as good 3 point shooters.

[urunobili]

Mahimni starting for the Mavs vs. OKC...