Trade for James Harden

[cantthinkofanything]

I'd like to see a deal where the Spurs package Bonner, RJ, and Alexander for James Harden. I like his game.

Joseph, I mean.

[mavs>spurs]

Thunder would never be retarded enough to make such a trade though.

[Chris Fall]

this trade proposal is a flop

[pass1st]

You're not getting rid of Bonner that easily.

[Spursfan092120]

You're not getting rid of Bonner that easily.

The NBA is based on "What have you done for me lately." Guess you haven't watched Bonner lately.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

This thread shows exactly why spurs fans are fucking retards.

[cantthinkofanything]

The NBA is based on "What have you done for me lately." Guess you haven't watched Bonner lately.

I have watched him. I want to make the trade while his value is high.

[mavs>spurs]

while his value is high.

:lmao fucking retard

[pass1st]

The NBA is based on "What have you done for me lately." Guess you haven't watched Bonner lately.

Why would the Spurs let Bonner go? He's the freaking franchise player right now, spreads the floor like a rich white kid spreads mayonnaise on his toast.

[NewcastleKEG]

To get Harden, you'd have to deal Manu & Duncan. MAYBE they would do it

[rayjayjohnson]

but... but... but... bonner saved your ass against the rockets yesterday.

[lefty]

Thunder would never be retarded enough to make such a trade though.
Maybe he should have used the blue

[WeNeedLength]

This thread shows exactly why spurs fans are fucking retards.

And you're still a ghey. Congratulations.

[cantthinkofanything]

And you're still a ghey. Congratulations.

what happened to the Mexican troll that called everyone "guey"?

[Spursfan092120]

but... but... but... bonner saved your ass against the rockets yesterday.

Bonner's saved our asses the last 4 wins, tbh...I'm not a Bonner fan by any means, but without him, we're on a losing streak right now.

[cantthinkofanything]

Bonner's saved our asses the last 4 wins, tbh...I'm not a Bonner fan by any means, but without him, we're on a losing streak right now.

but have another ring

[Nathan89]

To get Harden, you'd have to deal Manu & Duncan. MAYBE they would do it
Maybe? That trade would guarantee okc the next two titles.

[Bill_Brasky]

Thunder would never be retarded enough to make such a trade though.

:lmao saying this about an organization that just signed Westbrick to a long term deal

[Trill Clinton]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldjcyk3nKZ1qzevzd.jpg

[rayjayjohnson]

:lmao saying this about an organization that just signed Westbrick to a long term deal

Westbrick is maturing imo

[Latarian Milton]

trading a pack of shitbags for thunder's solidest player outside of Durant?

[Goran Dragic]

The NBA is based on "What have you done for me lately." Guess you haven't watched Bonner lately.
:lmao:lmao

[Goran Dragic]

Bonner's saved our asses the last 4 wins, tbh...I'm not a Bonner fan by any means, but without him, we're on a losing streak right now.
4 good games from Bonner doesn't mean OKC is gonna trade its 2nd best player for him.

[LkrFan]

Which team wants to trade for Harden?

Legion Sports ‏@MySportsLegion

James Harden has rejected a 4 year, $52 million dollar extension with Oklahoma City, Harden wants a max deal worth $60 million

:lolKC

[DeadlyDynasty]

The NBA is based on "What have you done for me lately." Guess you haven't watched Bonner lately.

:lol can't believe I missed this gem last season

[LkrFan]

Wojo (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--james-harden--thunder-continue-to-negotiate-contract-extension-27571809.html):


James Harden Turned Down Four-Year, $52M Extension Offer


By Adrian Wojnarowski


With a Wednesday deadline looming for a contract extension for James Harden, general manager Sam Presti and agent Rob Pelinka have been meeting for the past two days in Oklahoma City trying to work out a deal, sources told Yahoo Sports.


Harden, 23, recently turned down a four-year offer worth about $52 million, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Harden, last season's Sixth Man of the Year, has been pushing for a maximum contract extension of four years, $60 million.


Nevertheless, the fact the two sides are still negotiating suggests there could be a deal to be made somewhere between the Thunder's latest offer and Harden's desire for a max contract.


As the Thunder did in Serge Ibaka's four-year, nearly $50 million contract extension, sources said management will try to sell Harden on incentive clauses that could get his deal closer to the $60 million he wants.


Presti and Pelinka have talked frequently in the weeks leading up to Wednesday's midnight deadline, sources said. Pelinka knows Harden will likely command a maximum contract on the open market as a restricted free agent, and has little motivation to settle for much less.


As one league executive with relationships on both sides of the talks said, "You're asking a player to take less money and remain a non-starter. Harden can start and go make more money. …That's a tough sell."


What the Thunder have to sell is simple: a chance to stay with a championship contender and play with a core of young stars for whom he has great affection. Oklahoma City signed Ibaka in August. For the Thunder to pay Harden the maximum, they would push well into a luxury-tax scenario that owner Clay Bennett doesn't want to pay – for now, anyway.


The NBA's deadline for players in the draft class of 2009 to sign extensions is Wednesday. If not, Harden can become a restricted free agent on July 1. Several teams with salary-cap space, including the Phoenix Suns, are strong candidates to offer Harden a maximum contract.


If Harden doesn't sign the extension, several league executives believe Presti could begin to explore trades for Harden sooner than later. Most believe it would be riskier to overhaul the Thunder – a championship contender – near the Feb. 21 trade deadline because it's too close to the start of the playoffs.


Nevertheless, Oklahoma City's insistence that it won't pay a third player beyond Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook a max contract could ultimately be a bluff. The Thunder could simply insist that now, only to cave later and match an offer sheet in the summer.




:corn:

[Spursfan092120]

:lol can't believe I missed this gem last season
Dude..Bonner sucks..we all know that. But that was right after a streak of winning 4 games in a row for us. If we were going to get rid of his ass, that would have been the time.

[lefty]

Lol overrated Harden

[fevertrees]

someone needs to take this Al-Qaeda bastard out

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao OKC

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Oklahoma City has traded James Harden to the Houston Rockets, league sources tell Y! Sports.

wow

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

The Rockets send Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and future draft considerations to the Thunder for Harden, sources tell Y! Sports.

[jeebus]

:lmao OKC

[LkrFan]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

The Rockets send Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and future draft considerations to the Thunder for Harden, sources tell Y! Sports.
:lmao

[jeebus]

And with that, OKC just dropped to the 3rd or 4th seed :lmao

[LkrFan]

@WojYahooNBA: Along with All-Star guard James Harden, the Thunder will send Cole Aldridge, Lazr Hayward and Daquan Cook to the Rockets, source tells Y!

[shyne]

Wtf that's crazy

[LkrFan]

Small Market Teams. :lol

[timtonymanu]

Shit... just lock in Heat-Lakers finals now.

[LkrFan]

Wojo: Talks on an extension broke down between the Thunder and Harden on an extension, and Presti moved quickly to trade him.

[Venti Quattro]

ESPN has this on too.


Marc Stein (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/262384250853138432): Houston Rockets close to acquiring James Harden from Oklahoma City in deal headlined by Kevin Martin, sources tell ESPN

[jeebus]

ESPN with the slow bads per the usual. Woj already has an article up and Stein is still saying talks are happening :lol

[AussieFanKurt]

http://blog.newsok.com/thunderrumblings/2012/10/27/james-harden-traded-to-houston/

[AussieFanKurt]

Are the Rockets high?

[NYsportsfan]

Um, how is this a bad trade for OKC? They got better. Jeremy Lamb is a stud. Kevin Martin is an expiring who will be a good bench player. They locked up Ibaka who is a rising star and will have draft picks to stash up on. OKC just got a whole lot better.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

That trade is fucking stupid for both teams...

:lol Rockets
:lol Thunder

[Findog]

Ibaka is so overrated. Harden is the guy they should have locked up, not him.

[Venti Quattro]

Um, how is this a bad trade for OKC? They got better. Jeremy Lamb is a stud. Kevin Martin is an expiring who will be a good bench player. They locked up Ibaka who is a rising star and will have draft picks to stash up on. OKC just got a whole lot better.

:lmao :lmao :lmao These are the quotes that will be of high entertainment value come the playoffs.

[Kai]

Yeah buddy! DWIGHT WHO?

[jeebus]

:lmao :lmao :lmao These are the quotes that will be of high entertainment value come the playoffs.
Believe.

[NYsportsfan]

You people are fucking stupid if you think OKC didn't handle this well. Lamb is going to be better than Harden. Those draft picks make them even bettet for years to come. OKC handled this trade very damn well. Their front office knows what they are doing.

[timtonymanu]

Lin, Harden, and Asik as the Big 3 :lol

[benefactor]

What a dumb fucking knee jerk move. Harden is overrated as fuck and they could have easily done better.

:lol Presti

[Kai]

Lin, Harden, and Asik as the Big 3 :lol

2 seed is locked up for real this time :lol

[Venti Quattro]

It's up on Y! Sports. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--thunder-trade-james-harden-to-rockets-27481909.html

[jeebus]

At least they y'all got rid of Kevin Martin

[benefactor]

The picks could make some difference. I'll wait for full details.

[LkrFan]

Lakers
San Antonio
Denver
OKC
Memphis
Clippers
Utah
Minnesota

[Clipper Nation]

You people are fucking stupid if you think OKC didn't handle this well.
:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Lakers
San Antonio
Denver
OKC
Memphis
Clippers
Utah
Minnesota


You lost credibility with "3. Denver," tbh...

[Venti Quattro]

Houston's quest for the 2nd seed just got better.

[BRHornet45]

lol Harden aka glorified James Posey

[Kai]

Toronto guaranteed lottery pick, Dallas' top 20 protected first, and Charlotte's 2nd next year.

[LkrFan]

You lost credibility with "3. Denver," tbh...
I was just joking, but i think Denver will surprise some people. In RS they'll do damage.

I'm actually expecting a slow Laker start. We'll prolly end up 3rd tbh. Come playoffs no team will want to see us - including small ball Miami.

[benefactor]

Source on those picks?

[NYsportsfan]

Toronto guaranteed lottery pick, Dallas' top 20 protected first, and Charlotte's 2nd next year.

Hahaha fuck you all. OKC just raped Houston currently and in the future.

[jeebus]

lol Harden aka glorified James Posey
son would you rather have Chuckbrick or Harden? Cuz it's obvious OKC trusts the former.

[benefactor]

Speaking of Charlotte, they wanted to trade their pick in this year's draft for Harden. They should have reached out to them again to see if they were still willing to part with MKG.

[Kai]

Source on those picks?

My brother texted me, I'm at the movies right now, sorry. Argo is pretty good btw.

[Venti Quattro]

This also shows how Harden thinks highly of himself. :lol

He's a 2nd/3rd banana in OKC and he has the gall to ask a max contract after choking on a fat dick in the Finals? :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Venti Quattro]

My brother texted me, I'm at the movies right now, sorry. Argo is pretty good btw.

argo fuck yourself

[Ice009]

Wow Sam Presti fucking pulled the trigger quick.

Presti with the very quick execution. No fucking around.

[Kai]

argo fuck yourself

:lol :tu

[Clipper Nation]

:lol thunderup
:lol OKC with the cheapskate move, just like pre-senility Sterling

[Xylus]

Harden is garbage, OKC won this trade.

[Kai]

looking back from a year ago, Morey traded Jordan Hill, Kyle Lowry, Kevin Martin and Courtney Lee for James harden. Would have taken that in a heartbeat, especially considering everyone but Lowry was guaranteed to be shown the door when their contract ended.

[LkrFan]

This also shows how Harden thinks highly of himself. :lol

He's a 2nd/3rd banana in OKC and he has the gall to ask a max contract after choking on a fat dick in the Finals? :lmao :lmao :lmao
:lol

[Clipper Nation]

Harden is garbage, OKC won this trade.

Kevin Martin is garbage too and Lamb is a complete question mark, so OKC lost just as much as the Rockets... :lol

[LkrFan]

looking back from a year ago, Morey traded Jordan Hill, Kyle Lowry, Kevin Martin and Courtney Lee for James harden. Would have taken that in a heartbeat, especially considering everyone but Lowry was guaranteed to be shown the door when their contract ended.
Lin-Harden Dynasty

[Kai]

He might be a choking flopper in the playoffs for the Thunder, but Rocket Harden is a badass, so fuck you guys :lol

[Venti Quattro]

Harden is garbage, OKC won this trade.

THE LAKERS won this trade.

[djohn2oo8]

Wat the hell is going on out there???

[jeebus]

:lol Harden
:lol raped by a half dead Nigerian on worldwide television
:lol chokes harder than horse with 2 dozen glazed donuts
:lol Kevin Martin constantly injured
:lol not going to magically get better at age 30
:lol Jeremy freaking Lamb

[LkrFan]

It gets better:


Adrian Wojnarowski:

Houston plans to give James Harden a four year, $60 million extension once deal is completed, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[Malik Hairston]

Harden is one of the most efficient players in the NBA..his offensive game is complete, he isn't just a one-dimensional scorer, and he's still young..

In the social media era of sports, over reactions lead to front office mistakes, tbh..Harden struggled in the Finals, but this will kill OKC's chances at a championship, this season..

Raptors have a decent shot at a top 8 seed, therefore the picks aren't even that great, tbh..

OKC may have positioned themselves for a brighter future, but as we have seen with many teams in the past, the window of potential could be shorter than originally envisioned..

[Trill Clinton]

Harden is garbage, OKC won this trade.

this

[Malik Hairston]

I imagine OKC believes that Eric Maynor can replicate some of Harden's playmaking off the bench, but he's coming off a major injury and he's overrated by most basketball die-hards, tbh..

[Clipper Nation]

Harden is one of the most efficient players in the NBA..his offensive game is complete

:lmao

Come on now, Harden is a total one-dimensional flopper and certainly not worth $60 mil...

[Venti Quattro]

Is a max contract for Harden in Houston reasonable? He's the undisputed #1 player there lol

[Clipper Nation]

THE LAKERS won this trade.

Clippers won this trade even more, tbh... we already owned the Thunder WITH Flop So Harden, now OKC got worse... :lol

[Kai]

Raptors have a decent shot at a top 8 seed, therefore the picks aren't even that great, tbh..

Raptors pick will not go to OKC until they miss the playoffs. It's backwards protected. It's a very nice asset to have.

[Malik Hairston]

Even while struggling during key playoff stretches, Harden posted a 21 PER on an elite 61% true shooting percentage for the entire playoffs..it's crazy that 1 series has completely altered the perception of Harden's game..

[thunderup]

We came out of this one with the better end of the deal.

:lol now San Antonio gets to see its worst nightmare playing against them in the same division. Can't wait to see all you crybabies surface.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He can shoot, dribble penetrate even with shotblockers around the rim, is a decent passer and a willing defender.

Last year he shot 49/40/85 and is a guard. that is pretty damn elite. He is only 24 years old.

The man can ball.

[Venti Quattro]

it's crazy that 1 series has completely altered the perception of Harden's game..

Because that series was the Finals.

[thunderup]

I also like the acquisition of Jeremy Lamb. He's shown a lot of potential thus far.

[noob cake]

He can shoot, dribble penetrate even with shotblockers around the rim, is a decent passer and a willing defender.

Last year he shot 49/40/85 and is a guard. that is pretty damn elite. He is only 24 years old.

The man can ball.

This, glad we got rid of Martin. He can't play D, can't handle the ball, is un-clutch. Lamb looks promising but he is a late lotto rookie.

That Toronto pick is the only piece I'm hurting over, but we needed to land potential first option. Harden has never been a first option, but Morey obviously gambled. Let's see if he can survive a season leading a team.

[LkrFan]

I also like the acquisition of Jeremy Lamb. He's shown a lot of potential thus far.
He's a sleeper. Good college player tbh. I like his game.

[thunderup]

Oh and cue the crybaby takes of Clipper Nation, a notoriously bad poster.

Keep crying.

The Thunder will always be a better franchise than the Clippers. Eat shit.

[Clipper Nation]

We came out of this one with the better end of the deal.

:lol Kevin "Chucker" Martin and Russell Westbrick on the same team

[Venti Quattro]

The Thunder will always be a better franchise than the Clippers. Eat shit.

The Thunder have accomplished more in 5 years than the Clippers' 35-40 years of existence. :lol :lol :lol

[thunderup]

This, glad we got rid of Martin. He can't play D, can't handle the ball, is un-clutch. Lamb looks promising but he is a late lotto rookie.

That Toronto pick is the only piece I'm hurting over, but we needed to land potential first option. Harden has never been a first option, but Morey obviously gambled. Let's see if he can survive a season leading a team.
Harden can't lead a team. You guys got screwed on that end of the deal.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol Kevin "Chucker" Martin and Russell Westbrick on the same team

:lol

[Clipper Nation]

The Thunder have accomplished more in 5 years than the Clippers' 35-40 years of existence. :lol :lol :lol

Same ring count and the Clippers lead the all-time franchise series... :lol

[ElNono]

Well, OKC can't pay him. So they get an expiring deal and a pick.... I think it's a good deal for them, depending on the quality of the pick.

OKC will be ok because they'll go as far as KD take them regardless.

[thunderup]

The Thunder have accomplished more in 5 years than the Clippers' 35-40 years of existence. :lol :lol :lol
Exactly. It's pretty funny that he has to rely on the small sample size of games between the two teams.

:lol no other argument
:lol the head-to-head sample size you rely on
:lol franchise mired in quicksand full of shit

[Malik Hairston]

Similar or worse yearly salaries to Harden(I could be wrong on some of these, I would have to look it up)

Joe Johnson < Harden
Luol Deng < Harden
Andre Iguodala < Harden
Kevin Martin <<< Harden
Danny Granger < Harden
Rudy Gay < Harden
Monta Ellis < Harden
Eric Gordon < Harden
Manu Ginobili = or < Harden

[LkrFan]

Oh and cue the crybaby takes of Clipper Nation, a notoriously bad poster.

Keep crying.

The Thunder will always be a better franchise than the Clippers. Eat shit.
The Goods. Clipp:lolrs

[Clipper Nation]

Exactly. It's pretty funny that he has to rely on the small sample size of games between the two teams.

:lol no other argument
:lol the head-to-head sample size you rely on
:lol franchise mired in quicksand full of shit
:lol Thunder
:lol Stolen franchise
:lol Oil baron owners that are cheaper than Sterling in his prime
:lol Needing injuries to CP3 and Griffin and extreme ref help against San Antonio to get to the Finals

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Houston is not a FA Mecca and they have no prospects worth the max. Harden would get multiple max offers if he were on the FA market. It's a 4 year deal so it's not like an ARod deal. Houston made out well.

What else are they going to do? Offer Bynum a max deal next year?

[LkrFan]

:lol Kevin "Chucker" Martin and Russell Westbrick on the same team
Two chuckers that will take shots away from KD. Awes:lolme

[lefty]

And with that, OKC just dropped to the 3rd or 4th seed :lmao
Not really


Harden is an overrated flopping playoff choker, and Presti would have found himself stuck with a an overpaid player and a fat contract if he re-signed him

[Kai]

Offer Bynum a max deal next year?

We still can. No way he takes it, but I highly doubt Morey's play is to just stop at acquiring one could-be franchise player.

[Malik Hairston]

A backcourt of Harden and Dragic would have been pretty nasty, tbh..

[ElNono]

Martin makes almost $14 millions, then comes off the books. It's clear Harden wanted at least that much. The problem for OKC keeping Harden for that money is that it prevents them from paying Sefolosha after next season and also they would've had to let Maynor walk. Now they get $14 million to play with next season PLUS a future pick

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Goods. Clipp:lolrs

Be that as it may. Without Harden are you sure the Thunder beat the Clips in a best of 7?

Harden singlehandedly killed two of our comebacks in the WCF for all his issues in the Finals.

[Kai]

A backcourt of Harden and Dragic would have been pretty nasty, tbh..

Yep.

[Malik Hairston]

As I said at the time of the Asik signing, I like the addition for Houston..they overpaid, but he has the potential to be a top 5 defensive player in the NBA, and if he can improve his offense to a Marc Gasol level, it'll be worth it..

The Lin signing was shitty, but that has been well documented..

They need to draft or acquire a star PF to complete their rebuilding plan IMO..

[ElNono]

:wow:wow:wow

Houston also sent two 2013 first-round picks (from Dallas and Toronto) to Oklahoma City, sources told Y! Sports, as well as a 2013 second-round pick (via Charlotte). The Thunder will receive the Toronto pick this year if it's slotted Nos. 4-14. That pick also is top-three protected in 2014, top-two protected in 2015 and top-one protected in 2016.

Per Woj

[ElNono]

Basically, with Houston sucking as expected, they're getting a 4-14 pick next draft... that's huge

[thunderup]

:wow:wow:wow

Houston also sent two 2013 first-round picks (from Dallas and Toronto) to Oklahoma City, sources told Y! Sports, as well as a 2013 second-round pick (via Charlotte). The Thunder will receive the Toronto pick this year if it's slotted Nos. 4-14. That pick also is top-three protected in 2014, top-two protected in 2015 and top-one protected in 2016.

Per Woj

Rich get richer.

[djohn2oo8]

Basically, with Houston sucking as expected, they're getting a 4-14 pick next draft... that's huge

What? That pick is from Toronto. Houston kept their own pick.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They acquired one of the best young guards in the league. There are only a few better 2s in the league. They are not the Lakers who can shit in a box and get people to trade their all stars for it.

[djohn2oo8]

Lol at Orlando getting Aaron Afflalo for Dwight.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Rich get richer.

Enjoy your 4th seed.

Oh and while you have an expiring contract it's debatable if OKC or SA is a less attractive FA destination.

[Kai]

Basically, with Houston sucking as expected, they're getting a 4-14 pick next draft... that's huge

Read it again, bruh.

[ElNono]

What? That pick is from Toronto. Houston kept their own pick.

Well, same deal. It's not like Toronto is going anywhere.

[djohn2oo8]

Well, same deal. It's not like Toronto is going anywhere.

They probably won't, though they look decent enough to get the #14.

[LkrFan]

Be that as it may. Without Harden are you sure the Thunder beat the Clips in a best of 7?

Harden singlehandedly killed two of our comebacks in the WCF for all his issues in the Finals.
Harden is a good player. He's just not a franchise player. He hoodwinked the refs into a ton of FTAs like you know who in S:loluf Beach.

[Kai]

Well, same deal. It's not like Toronto is going anywhere.

Yep, the Toronto piece was Houston's best asset. It's obvious OKC wasn't going to pay Harden, so at least they got Martin to fill the void this year, a player with all-star upside in Lamb, and a guaranteed lottery pick. Beats the hell out of letting him walk.

[ElNono]

They probably won't, though they look decent enough to get the #14.

They picked 8th last draft. Don't see it being much different next season.

[Kai]

They picked 8th last draft. Don't see it being much different next season.

Lowry will make them much better alone, and Jonas Valanciunas could be big time.

[ElNono]

Lowry will make them much better alone, and Jonas Valanciunas could be big time.

The thing with that pick is that they would really need to tank to get the top 3 and save it. So that pick is as good as gone. I like what Presti did there.

[thunderup]

Enjoy your 4th seed.
:lol Who will win more regular season games than the Thunder? Are there really three teams that will win more games than the Thunder?
If this is any indication of your quality as a poster on this site, stop posting altogether. Your basketball takes are horrible if so. You're pretty stupid if you think we won't finish as either the number one or two seed.

Oh and while you have an expiring contract it's debatable if OKC or SA is a less attractive FA destination.

Not something to worry about in the short term. Keep thinking of hypotheticals that have the Thunder going downwards from here, if it makes you sleep better at night.

[SpursDynasty]

Another example of someone who wants money instead of a championship.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Harden is a good player. He's just not a franchise player. He hoodwinked the refs into a ton of FTAs like you know who in S:loluf Beach.

I don't buy the hoodwinked schtick. I don't think what is oh so obvious to fans is lost to men who officiate professionally. There are only a dozen franchise players in the league so it's a misnomer term in regards to his market value.

Is he one of the top 40 players? Undoubtedly. Top 25? Yup. So he's not the top 10 but there are more than 30 teams and you have to pay someone to get talent on the court. You just have a franchise that can shit in a box and get elite players.

[djohn2oo8]

Sentiment is Josh Smith is next :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They picked 8th last draft. Don't see it being much different next season.

They play in the Eastern Conference. It comes down to whether or not Bargnani can stay healthy.

[ElNono]

They play in the Eastern Conference. It comes down to whether or not Bargnani can stay healthy.

It's a double-edged sword. They're bad enough where they probably can't avoid picking over #14, but they play in the east where cleveland, charlotte, etc, are worse than them, so they probably won't pick top 3.

[Venti Quattro]

Durant has this to say

262402977166401536

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol Who will win more regular season games than the Thunder? Are there really three teams that will win more games than the Thunder?
If this is any indication of your quality as a poster on this site, stop posting altogether. Your basketball takes are horrible if so. You're pretty stupid if you think we won't finish as either the number one or two seed.


Not something to worry about in the short term. Keep thinking of hypotheticals that have the Thunder going downwards from here, if it makes you sleep better at night.

You keep thinking that Martin and Lamb is anything but a severe downgrade from Harden. Presti made this move because he had to, not because he wanted to.

Right of the bat you have San Antonio and LA. You are going to compete with Denver, Clips, Dallas and Houston for the scraps. Have fun.

[LkrFan]

I don't buy the hoodwinked schtick. I don't think what is oh so obvious to fans is lost to men who officiate professionally. There are only a dozen franchise players in the league so it's a misnomer term in regards to his market value.

Is he one of the top 40 players? Undoubtedly. Top 25? Yup. So he's not the top 10 but there are more than 30 teams and you have to pay someone to get talent on the court. You just have a franchise that can shit in a box and get elite players.
You talking bout Stern's refs? You screwed up an otherwise good post with det statement, tbh. We all see it. Harden is not as good as his FTAs make him appear.

Harden should have signed the $52M deal. Now him and OKC won't see the Finals until Howard retires. :lol

[jeebus]

Durant has this to say

262402977166401536

:lmao

He's in shock over the fact that he'll never get to shoot the ball this coming season.

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao

He's in shock over the fact that he'll never get to shoot the ball this coming season.

:lol

[racm]

Harden = Joe Johnson 2.0, tbh

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You talking bout Stern's refs? You screwed up an otherwise good post with det statement, tbh. We all see it. Harden is not as good as his FTAs make him appear.

Harden should have signed the $52M deal. Now him and OKC won't see the Finals until Howard retires. :lol

Yeah i am talking about NBA officiating. You really think that Durant and Harden trick the refs into making calls for them? Either way it gets them to the line so in essence what you are saying is equivalent to saying that Dwight Howard isn't as good as his rebounds make him look. It is what it is and it will continue to be what it is.

[Spurs da champs]

Shit trade for Rockets.

[Findog]

Because that series was the Finals.

So what? Dirk was erroneously considered a soft choker for years because of two bad series. Harden is a baller. Ibaka is so overrated. He's a good shot-blocker and that's about it. Not even a very good one-on-one defender.

[TimmehC]

Sentiment is Josh Smith is next :lol

Morey would actually deserve a little praise if he pulls that one off.

[djohn2oo8]

Shit trade for Rockets.

How?

[Venti Quattro]

How?

Obviously because they gave up a prolific scorer in Kevin Martin and an up and coming talent like Jeremy Lamb.

[djohn2oo8]

Obviously because they gave up a prolific scorer in Kevin Martin and an up and coming talent like Jeremy Lamb.

:lol

[LkrFan]

Yeah i am talking about NBA officiating. You really think that Durant and Harden trick the refs into making calls for them? Either way it gets them to the line so in essence what you are saying is equivalent to saying that Dwight Howard isn't as good as his rebounds make him look. It is what it is and it will continue to be what it is.
You tripping yo. I was talking about Wade and Harden - not KD - but my point remains: without FTAs neither one of them are any good. Do they deserve all of dem FTAs? Nope.

:lol at you comparing an effort play (rebounding) to FTAs. You can't be seri:lolus.

[Spurs da champs]

Because Harden isn't special & has been on a downward spiral since finals, he isn't a number 1 option/face of the franchise , Thunder get deeper & Rockets remain mediocre.

[djohn2oo8]

downward spiral? :lol

[Spurs da champs]

No he's on the way up! :lol

Shitty rockets remain shitty.

[Clipper Nation]

Sentiment is Josh Smith is next :lol

With what assets?

[Clipper Nation]

Obviously because they gave up a prolific scorer in Kevin Martin and an up and coming talent like Jeremy Lamb.

Kevin Martin is a chucker and Lamb is Kevin Martin 2.0... plus, they already had a chucker in Westbrick...

[timvp]

I don't understand how Harden has become so underrated after his poor showing in the Finals. The guy is a damn good basketball player. There's no way Kevin Martin is anywhere near Harden's level.

R.I.P. Thunder Dynasty
May, 2012 - June, 2012



:cry the good ones die young :cry

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You tripping yo. I was talking about Wade and Harden - not KD - but my point remains: without FTAs neither one of them are any good. Do they deserve all of dem FTAs? Nope.

:lol at you comparing an effort play (rebounding) to FTAs. You can't be seri:lolus.

I know you were referring to Wade. What you think does or does not require effort means not a whit of difference as it pertains to what contributes to wins. Whether or not they do it by driving aggressively, tricking refs or because of 'star treatment' at the end of the day they are still getting to the line and hitting free throws. You just sound like you are rehashing shit from a Wade v Bryant argument.

Those free throws count towards the final score and as such they contribute to the team winning. I am comparing things that correlate to wins.

[skut_farkus]

Who out chucks who? Martin or westbrook? Should be interesting

[djohn2oo8]

With what assets?

Not sure. It could just be wishful thinking by different people but no one saw this deal coming either.

[Spurs da champs]

I agree that Martin isn't better then Harden, but depth is depth, Maynor is back, Lamb isn't bad & Martin doesn't have to be #1 option on a shitty team like the Rockets anymore, Perry Jones will be solid. Thunder will be better IMO.

Harden just got exposed in the finals & wont be the same.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Harden just got exposed in the finals & wont be the same.

:rolleyes

[Spurs da champs]

:rolleyes
Use an emoticon for your lack of an argument. :rolleyes

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Use an emoticon for your lack of an argument. :rolleyes

I don't need to make an argument against stupidity guised as a baseless assertion.

[Findog]

Dirk got exposed in the 2006 finals & was never the same.

[Spurs da champs]

I don't need to make an argument against stupidity guised as a baseless assertion.

Baseless, I'm basing this off finals, Olympics, & preseason play (say what you want but failing to score against scrubs isn't a sign of good things to come, considering your past 2 performances). So I ask what is baseless? Do you even know what baseless is? Here's the definition for you:


baseless [ˈbeɪslɪs]
adj
not based on fact; unfounded a baseless supposition

Obviously I'm basing this on fact (his recent struggle), so get back to me when you comprehend the meaning of baseless.

And why are we comparing Dirk to Harden, Dirk is a damn 7 foot shooting guard, with an unstopable move & he's still a legit number one option, I see no parallels. Dirk's struggles had more to do with his weak psyche at the time more then anything.

[Malik Hairston]

:lol Harden had one bad series against the best team and one of the best defenses in the NBA..

Again, he posted a 21 PER on a godly 61% true shooting percentage during the playoffs..he didn't struggle throughout the playoffs, he struggled during one series, albeit the most important series..the Spurs are in the Finals if you replace Harden with even a slightly inferior player, tbh..

I'm not delusional enough to believe he's a #1 guy, but as I pointed out on the other page, there are a number of perimeter players that have worse contracts(all #1 or #2 guys on their respective teams, too)..

[Findog]

You're writing a guy off because he had one bad series on the big stage, just like many did with Dirk. Harden is a terrific player. Not a #1 option, but definitely good enough to be a #2 option. OKC made this deal because they had to, not because they wanted to. I think they temporarily take a step back. Fortunately for them, KD and Westbrook are young enough that they can wait out Miami and the Lakers, and a smart pickup or two can put them over the top.

[ElNono]

So, is this Kevin Martin's chance to pull a Kobe and coattail a superstar in his prime to a ship or two? The legit white mamba?

[Lincoln]

harden went up against a GREAT perimeter defense and lock down defenders in wade and Lebron. You can't judge a guy based off of one series, even if it was the finals. Yeah he may have choked some and missed some bunnies but you can't deny how brilliant he was in the Dallas and SA series.

I guess Dirk was overrated after 06 and LeBron in 2011 cause they both sucked ass in the Finals, right?

And :lol at people bringing up the Olympics and preseason for continued poor play. Wake me the fuck up when the season starts. Harden is a stud and will have a decent year despite a shit supporting cast

[racm]

I don't understand how Harden has become so underrated after his poor showing in the Finals. The guy is a damn good basketball player. There's no way Kevin Martin is anywhere near Harden's level.

R.I.P. Thunder Dynasty
May, 2012 - June, 2012



:cry the good ones die young :cry

Meanwhile the Spurs Big 3 have been together for nearly a decade now, and they have 3 rings together. Kobe's Lakers have been successful too, obviously. Even the Celtics Big 3 lasted longer. 5 years, 2 Finals berths and a championship.

:lmao Presti
:lmao trying to build a contender with rookie deals alone
:lmao lucking into Durant
:lmao Stolen Team
:lmao stole the Spurs identity
:lmao small market

[Kidd K]

lol @ OKC's one year window.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Baseless, I'm basing this off finals, Olympics, & preseason play (say what you want but failing to score against scrubs isn't a sign of good things to come, considering your past 2 performances). So I ask what is baseless? Do you even know what baseless is? Here's the definition for you:

Obviously I'm basing this on fact (his recent struggle), so get back to me when you comprehend the meaning of baseless.

And why are we comparing Dirk to Harden, Dirk is a damn 7 foot shooting guard, with an unstopable move & he's still a legit number one option, I see no parallels. Dirk's struggles had more to do with his weak psyche at the time more then anything.

He hardly played in the Olympics but hit 50% of his shots. The parallel between Harden and Dirk is that dumbasses said the same shit about Nowitzki after he had issues against the Heat in 06. He missed teh FT and was broken forever.

What you are doing isn't even armchair psychoanalysis its just a really stupid assertion based on an Olympic contest where he hit 50% of his shots and the fucking preseason. If you want to call it a basis then go for it but I will side with every other person here and say you are talking out of your ass. Oh and:

VZI5A4YbF7s

[racm]

The Wages of Wins people are laughing at Presti for this move, tbh

Kevin Martin stopped being an amazing offensive player when the shooting foul rules were changed in the 2010-11 season.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Wages of Wins people are laughing at Presti for this move, tbh

Kevin Martin stopped being an amazing offensive player when the shooting foul rules were changed in the 2010-11 season.

If you look at it as a replacement for Harden then that should be obvious. I don't think he was thinking along those lines but instead that they get $14m off the books to play with in FA, a lottery prospect and a couple more lottery picks. The trade wasn't about today for Presti or he should have just kept Harden.

[TIMMYtoZO]

:lol at OKC. Harden isn't anything special but they got 2 chuckers in return and picks. Big fucking deal. That Ibaka deal was really stupid. That dumb monkey is never going to be anything more than a shot blocker who has shitty man to man D. This move eliminates OKC's chances with the opportunity to congratulate Miami on their championship repeat in June. That honor goes to the Lakers now.

:lol Thunder
:lol 1 year wonders
:lol inbred state

[Killakobe81]

I think its a good trade for both teams. Good long term move forOkc and great short term and potential long term for Rox. Doubtful a star FA signs there so trades is the way they must build. Morey is wise to flip those assets for a proven scorer and playmaker. Sure he is a bit overrated and will be overpaid, but with the lack of proven SG in the NBA right now he is probably a top 5 SG. He choked in the Finals but so did the Jet Terry and he bounced back to help the mavs win two years ago. But OkC does take a step back imho. Martin can shoot , but harden does everything else better. Okc had a slight chance of beating the heat in a rematch now they have none. Harden plays up to par last Finals that series goes 7. This year we won't get to know ...

[Venti Quattro]

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[racm]

James and Jeremy tbh

[Spurs da champs]

No armchair analysis here, just logic & I find it illogical to compare Harden to James & Dirk. But hey continue to grasp at straws!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No armchair analysis here, just logic & I find it illogical to compare Harden to James & Dirk. But hey continue to grasp at straws!

Two guys that struggled against the Heat in the Finals and were predicted to have been irrevocably broken, yeah there is no logical connection because they are not exactly the same. Dirk's tall after all.

So what do you think of Harden hitting 17 of 34 shots in London this Summer?

[Spurs da champs]

It was as awesome as his 9 minutes a game, did it occur to you many of those shots came in garbage time?

Dirk was & is the franchise player, it was his mental lapse that cost him that year, Harden is no where near Dirk's level. So I'd suggest stopping the horrible comparisons. lol compare one of the best shooters of all time & a future first ballot hall of famer to some bearded wonder. :rolleyes

[thunderup]

You keep thinking that Martin and Lamb is anything but a severe downgrade from Harden. Presti made this move because he had to, not because he wanted to.

Right of the bat you have San Antonio and LA. You are going to compete with Denver, Clips, Dallas and Houston for the scraps. Have fun.

Keep thinking of negatives for the Thunder. Hell, talk about the oh so elusive injury bug that has yet to strike KD or RW, it's all you got. Face it, you and your franchise are shit.

[AussieFanKurt]

Keep thinking of negatives for the Thunder. Hell, talk about the oh so elusive injury bug that has yet to strike KD or RW, it's all you got. Face it, you and your franchise are shit.

the spurs are shit? 4>0

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It was as awesome as his 9 minutes a game, did it occur to you many of those shots came in garbage time?

Dirk was & is the franchise player, it was his mental lapse that cost him that year, Harden is no where near Dirk's level. So I'd suggest stopping the horrible comparisons. lol compare one of the best shooters of all time & a future first ballot hall of famer to some bearded wonder. :rolleyes

You said he played poorly in the Olympics. He hit half of his shots. Of course he didn't play much. Shall we go through the Team USA roster and determine who the swing players were?

So Dirk was tall and franchise level talent and it should be obvious that people saying shit like you are saying were wrong when he played poorly against the Heat in the Finals. Harden is only extremely talented as and has been since he came out of ASU but he is just going to fold because you say so. He played poorly in London because he only shot well in limited minutes right?

Like i said. You deserve nothing more than a :rolleyes

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Keep thinking of negatives for the Thunder. Hell, talk about the oh so elusive injury bug that has yet to strike KD or RW, it's all you got. Face it, you and your franchise are shit.

You're right going from Harden to Martin is an upgrade. What was I thinking? Is Martin taller cause if he is then he's mentally strong. Keep that in mind.

[thunderup]

the spurs are shit? 4>0
I was speaking time relative dumbass.

The Spurs are nothing but either a second round exit or lottery team (if things get that bad).

[thunderup]

You're right going from Harden to Martin is an upgrade. What was I thinking? Is Martin taller cause if he is then he's mentally strong. Keep that in mind.
You're life must be pretty shitty.

Jeremy lamb = future superstar (able to play 2-guard, too)

Besides, Martin knows who he is playing with, he won't chuck like he had to when playing for a shit team like the Rockets.

[LkrFan]

Wojo


James Harden turned down a $54 million contract offer from the Thunder. (Getty Images)
For months, Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey called on Oklahoma City's Sam Presti, probing him with a simple question: Want to discuss a deal for James Harden yet? Over and over, the response had been an unwavering no. The Thunder wanted to sign Harden to a contract extension, hold together their young core and try to win championships for years and years.
Finally, there had come a call within the past several days to Morey: Presti wanted to seriously discuss the framework of a trade, because if Harden wouldn't take the Thunder's final offer, this promised to be the next step. From owner Clay Bennett to Presti and assistant GM Troy Weaver, a decision had been made: James Harden had played his final game for the Thunder.


After turning down a $52 million extension several days ago, Harden's agent, Rob Pelinka, flew from Los Angeles to Oklahoma City on Friday for a final sit-down with Presti. He wanted a max contract of four years, $60 million for his client, and had come to Oklahoma City to push management as far as it would go on an offer.


Before sitting down a final time with Pelinka, Presti became more serious in his discussions with Morey. Houston wanted Harden badly, believed he would evolve into a transcendent franchise star for a championship-caliber team and planned to award him a five-year maximum contract worth nearly $80 million. So, Presti laid out what he wanted for Harden and the original price was steep: Kevin Martin, Chandler Parsons, Jeremy Lamb and three first-round picks, including Houston's own in 2013.


Across 72 hours and culminating on Friday night, the deal became this: Martin, Lamb and two first-round picks, including a guaranteed plumb lottery pick via Toronto. Before Presti sat down with Pelinka on Saturday morning to make his final offer of $54 million over four years, the Rockets were made to understand: If Harden turns down, your long-awaited star is on his way to Texas.


In those finals hours on Saturday, the NBA made clear to Oklahoma City and Houston: Under no circumstances could Morey and Pelinka discuss a potential contract extension. Nevertheless, it was understood Morey would never let Wednesday's deadline pass without giving Harden the five-year max extension that wasn't available in Oklahoma City.


All along, Pelinka and Harden understood: From the Rockets, to the Phoenix Suns, to the Dallas Mavericks, there was a maximum contract offer awaiting him in free agency. Harden's market value wouldn't be dictated on the fact the Thunder planned to pay him as the franchise's third-best player. Less money and a sixth-man role – after a summer with Team USA at the Olympics, this was an impossible sell on Harden.

The impact on the Thunder locker room won't have the dark fallout some fear. When word reached Russell Westbrook late on Friday, he was disappointed Harden was gone – loved him as person, a teammate – but he wasn't devastated over the deal. Privately, Westbrook loved how Presti had strengthened the back of the Thunder roster with two rookies, Perry Jones and Houston draft pick Jeremy Lamb. He always admired how Martin had scored on the Thunder.

Center Kendrick Perkins also had privately told people he believed a trade was inevitable, too. To a man, none of the key Thunder players were surprised this happened, and none are conceding championship aspirations. In some ways, they can all breathe out now: This is the team, and now they go forward.


If nothing else, Westbrook and Kevin Durant have long learned to trust the judgment of Presti and Weaver. When the Thunder couldn't get an extension done with Jeff Green, they turned him into a piece the franchise desperately needed: Perkins. Everyone in the organization privately knew this, too: Harden wouldn't have thrived with the uncertainty and questions that would come with him unsigned past Wednesday, with him headed to the Feb. 21 trade deadline and, ultimately, restricted free agency on July 1.

More at LINK (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--inside-look-at-james-harden-s-trade-to-rockets-28301609.html)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're life must be pretty shitty.

Jeremy lamb = future superstar (able to play 2-guard, too)

Besides, Martin knows who he is playing with, he won't chuck like he had to when playing for a shit team like the Rockets.

:lol

[LkrFan]

Is Dallas now the w:lolrst team in Texas?

[rayjayjohnson]

Houston also sent two 2013 first-round picks (from Dallas and Toronto) to Oklahoma City, sources told Y! Sports, as well as a 2013 second-round pick (via Charlotte). (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--thunder-trade-james-harden-to-rockets-27481909.html) The Thunder will receive the Toronto pick this year if it's slotted Nos. 4-14. That pick also is top-three protected in 2014, top-two protected in 2015 and top-one protected in 2016

that's big tbh. they could smartly draft a quality role player at 4-14. Toronto should have that more towards the 14 this year, but either way, some good players have gone late the last couple of drafts

[thunderup]

that's big tbh. they could smartly draft a quality role player at 4-14. Toronto should have that more towards the 14 this year, but either way, some good players have gone late the last couple of drafts
You think? There is a reason why there is a buzz around this transaction. The Thunder got better in every way possible, short and long term. As a nugget fan you're gonna have to live with a Western Conference dominated by the Thunder. Oh and, you've been pretty damn rude to me in my welcome.

Screw you.

[racm]

How did they get better? Harden provided value by being the guy who ran plays in the 4th instead of letting Chimpbrook's Jekyll and Hyde act weaken them. Martin can't create for others, and he's been getting worse as his best way of getting to the line got changed.

Sure, it works out long term, but let's not pretend those draft picks are a sure thing right?

If anything, Presti's given up on ringing this year in favor of the next. OKC wins long term but I think this trade works out for both teams.

FWIW, your backup center is now Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet... :lol

[LkrFan]

@lakers...Friend of mine was at Notre Dame Oklahoma game asked Kevin Durant his feelings about Harden trade and he responded I'm Pissed..LOL
:rollin

[rayjayjohnson]

You think? There is a reason why there is a buzz around this transaction. The Thunder got better in every way possible, short and long term. As a nugget fan you're gonna have to live with a Western Conference dominated by the Thunder. Oh and, you've been pretty damn rude to me in my welcome.

Screw you.

to be fair, you've been a massive fuckwit.

let me give you another shot. stop being a dick, and we can be cool

[rayjayjohnson]

FWIW, your backup center is now Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet... :lol

fucking :lol

[racm]

:cry he doesn't have his best pressure valve anymore

[LkrFan]

KD was at the ND/OU game chillin....


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After the trade of Bin Harden...

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:lol

[rayjayjohnson]

this trade sucks for the west. lakers just went up in their chances for another conference title. lame.

[Koolaid_Man]

this trade sucks for the west. lakers just went up in their chances for another conference title. lame.




WOW Laker fans - talk about going trick-or-treating at Sam Presti's front door :lol...there are so many fails for OKC I don’t know where to start….First lemme just say..I would like treat Harden’s agent (Rob Pelinka who’s also Kobe’s agent) :lol to a candlelight Lobster and Steak Dinner and nice bottle of wine… (no Homo)

Kevin Martin cannot guard Kobe what-so-ever…this trade will preserve Kobe’s energy …Harden was a serious playmaker and made Kobe work on both ends……it makes OKC weaker overall because their bench is significantly weaker and their speed is now reduced……Thabo will have to play more and this will hurt OKC’s spacing…. and allows Dwight more ability to recover and protect the paint….glad Daquan Cook was in the deal also he was a big-time Laker killer…No more worrying about Harden,Westbrook and Durant on the floor at the same time. That was a fucking killer line-up tbh…Harden was their main facilitator and bail-out player when Durant or Westbrook struggled or got in foul trouble. It was the perfect combination of PG, SG, and SF….and to be honest very hard to stop. Harden could play the 2 and 3 spots Martin cannot. Harden was also durable Martin is not...They lost to Miami because they were young and not quite ready for the bright lights. Kevin Martin is a far easier mark for Kobe because he’s one pretty one dimensional and is an atrocious defensive player. With Harden gone we can now put Kobe on Westbrook and Nash on Martin….:lol This will definitely slow Westbrook down…This trade feeds right into the Lakers hands of primarily matching our bigs against theirs and slows down their fast break opportunities…


REGULAR SEASON

OKC offense w/James Harden: 114.96 points per 100 possessions
OKC offense w/o James Harden: 100.84 points per 100 possessions

PLAYOFFS

OKC offense w/James Harden: 115.13 points per 100 possessions
OKC offense w/o James Harden: 102.46 points per 100 possessions

Let's not kid ourselves this is a huge loss for OKC....especially in the short term the next 2-3 yrs...Durant and Westbrook already don't like playing defense and to add Martin to that mix is laughable. They can no longer run Harden and Shefalosa at Kobe defensively...and with Dwight along to get Perkins into foul trouble this will open up a mountain of opportunity going forward...I'm pretty excited...Spur fan should be too...this doesn't make a dime a dozen difference for Dallas they still have shit projections as a team.:lol

[rayjayjohnson]

Let me summarize what kool said in a few words...


I'm a faggot

[rayjayjohnson]

and lol at pinkaids man saying KD doesn't like D. dickface, he's a borderline elite wing defender.

[Koolaid_Man]

and lol at pinkaids man saying KD doesn't like D. dickface, he's a borderline elite wing defender.


hey my friend :lol what's with the uber excited and childish name calling....is this amateur hour at the Apollo? Come on guy you're smarter than that...use your intellect and wit to put me down...

and :lmao@ Durant being a borderline elite wing defender...perhaps a borderline Chicken Wing defender....:lol

[racm]

Borderline elite? He's not Kevin _urant but he's not LeBron tier either

[rayjayjohnson]

Yeah, okay, he's not Lebron, but he's no slouch. His wingspan makes him solid

[y2kbug]

Kool with the rare goods.

WOW Laker fans - talk about going trick-or-treating at Sam Presti's front door :lol...there are so many fails for OKC I don’t know where to start….First lemme just say..I would like treat Harden’s agent (Rob Pelinka who’s also Kobe’s agent) :lol to a candlelight Lobster and Steak Dinner and nice bottle of wine… (no Homo)

Kevin Martin cannot guard Kobe what-so-ever…this trade will preserve Kobe’s energy …Harden was a serious playmaker and made Kobe work on both ends……it makes OKC weaker overall because their bench is significantly weaker and their speed is now reduced……Thabo will have to play more and this will hurt OKC’s spacing…. and allows Dwight more ability to recover and protect the paint….glad Daquan Cook was in the deal also he was a big-time Laker killer…No more worrying about Harden,Westbrook and Durant on the floor at the same time. That was a fucking killer line-up tbh…Harden was their main facilitator and bail-out player when Durant or Westbrook struggled or got in foul trouble. It was the perfect combination of PG, SG, and SF….and to be honest very hard to stop. Harden could play the 2 and 3 spots Martin cannot. Harden was also durable Martin is not...They lost to Miami because they were young and not quite ready for the bright lights. Kevin Martin is a far easier mark for Kobe because he’s one pretty one dimensional and is an atrocious defensive player. With Harden gone we can now put Kobe on Westbrook and Nash on Martin….:lol This will definitely slow Westbrook down…This trade feeds right into the Lakers hands of primarily matching our bigs against theirs and slows down their fast break opportunities…


REGULAR SEASON

OKC offense w/James Harden: 114.96 points per 100 possessions
OKC offense w/o James Harden: 100.84 points per 100 possessions

PLAYOFFS

OKC offense w/James Harden: 115.13 points per 100 possessions
OKC offense w/o James Harden: 102.46 points per 100 possessions

Let's not kid ourselves this is a huge loss for OKC....especially in the short term the next 2-3 yrs...Durant and Westbrook already don't like playing defense and to add Martin to that mix is laughable. They can no longer run Harden and Shefalosa at Kobe defensively...and with Dwight along to get Perkins into foul trouble this will open up a mountain of opportunity going forward...I'm pretty excited...Spur fan should be too...this doesn't make a dime a dozen difference for Dallas they still have shit projections as a team.:lol

[racm]

And yet he's still puny. Post up on him - toast.

Hell, Brooks had him defending Chalmers. Result? 25 points in Game 4.

[Koolaid_Man]

Borderline elite? He's not Kevin _urant but he's not LeBron tier either

also Lebron is overrated defensively...sure he gets excited when he guards a PG but he has no real competition at the SF spot in this watered down league...Lebron gets easily discouraged on Defense..you put a great scorer on him like Durant and Lebron will ask Shane Battier to guard him...Lebron shy's away from guarding players that don't respect him or that has great scoring abilities...just watch that nigga when he plays..he's overrated defensively....man I wish he ran into a Prime Kobe - you know the Kobe that destroyed the Spurs from 2000-2006....he would have ran Le_Hype's overrated ass outta the fucking gym...

[racm]

LeBron always had Big Z/Varejao/Bosh to cover up for him. Defensive wings aren't as important as defensive bigs.

[djohn2oo8]

Someone on twitter brought up they could SnT Lin to the Clippers if CP3 wanted out next summer. Don't even know if that would work or if the Clippers are that stupid.

[rayjayjohnson]

Lebron would buttfuck a prime Kobe. Just like he buttfucks him now.

[racm]

Someone on twitter brought up they could SnT Lin to the Clippers if CP3 wanted out next summer. Don't even know if that would work or if the Clippers are that stupid.

Lin wouldn't have that 8 mill cap hit then.

[Koolaid_Man]

LeBron always had Big Z/Varejao/Bosh to cover up for him. Defensive wings aren't as important as defensive bigs.

Not that I'm trying to advertise or plug for my nigga here...but the day I see Lebron defending (multiple positions) like this..is the day I give him credit for being a great defensive player...fact is he doesn't go out of his way to guard the team's best opposing player...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBu28UwDzps

[Koolaid_Man]

Lebron would buttfuck a prime Kobe. Just like he buttfucks him now.

Lebron would buttfuck Kobe..but Kobe would kill Lebron...would you prefer to be killed or buttfucked....:lol

[Koolaid_Man]

rayray...i take it you prefer buttfucking...

Come to Pappy..

signed pappy

[Koolaid_Man]

Keep thinking of negatives for the Thunder. Hell, talk about the oh so elusive injury bug that has yet to strike KD or RW, it's all you got. Face it, you and your franchise are shit.

This is disputable:


According to @mySynergySports, Kevin Martin is in the 16th percentile for defense (terrible). Harden is 61st percentile, which is really good

Somewhere the Black Mamba is peering from behind the deep foliage....staring at the piece of Martin meat walking near by and sharpening his venomous fangs..:lol

[Durantula35]

So what? Dirk was erroneously considered a soft choker for years because of two bad series. Harden is a baller. Ibaka is so overrated. He's a good shot-blocker and that's about it. Not even a very good one-on-one defender.
Ibaka has developed an offensive game and has been hitting the boards. Pay attention this year.

[racm]

Ibaka bites on pump fakes, just like how thunderup bites on trolls, tbh
Koolaid_Man: I think even Danny Green might have a career game on KMart tbh

[Koolaid_Man]

Ibaka bites on pump fakes, just like how thunderup bites on trolls, tbh
Koolaid_Man (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19058): I think even Danny Green might have a career game on KMart tbh


K-Mart weighs a hefty 180 lbs while Harden is a 220....Kobe gonna be eating Turkey all season and so should Manu if he's smart :lol

[jeebus]

Ibaka bites on pump fakes, just like how thunderup bites on trolls, tbh

thunderup is luva; I don't know why people still try to reason with him imo

[djohn2oo8]

Still cannot believe that happened.

[Koolaid_Man]

Ibaka has developed an offensive game and has been hitting the boards. Pay attention this year.

lemme explain what u bout to see....Andrew Bynum gone...Bynum couldn't even out run Porkins...whereas Dwight has the foot speed to stay with point guards..this is our main advantage now...When Porkins fouls out trying to Guard Dwight will they put Ibaka on Dwight and free up Gasol? Ibaka won't be getting no boards with Dwight in there... Dwight is the fastest big man the league has ever seen...and he's bout to get his fourth D-POY

[racm]

Koolaid_Man: Unless he's at the line. Or gets into foul trouble.

[LkrFan]

hey my friend :lol what's with the uber excited and childish name calling....is this amateur hour at the Apollo? Come on guy you're smarter than that...use your intellect and wit to put me down...

and :lmao@ Durant being a borderline elite wing defender...perhaps a borderline Chicken Wing defender....:lol
Kool with no regard for human life goods. :rollin :lmao :rollin

[Durantula35]

lemme explain what u bout to see....Andrew Bynum gone...Bynum couldn't even out run Porkins...whereas Dwight has the foot speed to stay with point guards..this is our main advantage now...When Porkins fouls out trying to Guard Dwight will they put Ibaka on Dwight and free up Gasol? Ibaka won't be getting no boards with Dwight in there... Dwight is the fastest big man the league has ever seen...and he's bout to get his fourth D-POY
Dwight has the foot speed to stay with point guards? Obviously you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Girls shouldn't talk basketball. Assuming you are a girl with a pink name.

[Koolaid_Man]

Koolaid_Man (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19058): Unless he's at the line. Or gets into foul trouble.

we working on that....we have the right shooting coaches..similar to how we helped Bynum be a good freebie shooter...but the other thing is that we have a defensive minded team that should keep him out of foul trouble...

Dwight Asking Lakers Not To Gamble On Defense
Dwight Howard is the NBA's single most influential defensive player and he is already asking his new teammates on the Los Angeles Lakers to play a certain way on that end of the floor.


“The biggest thing is we don’t have to gamble,” said Howard. “That’s the one thing I told those guys — don’t gamble. We’re solid on defense, we work hard for 24 seconds on defense and then we’re out.


“That’s when you put everybody else in bad predicaments, when you do gamble. But when we’re solid, we have some great defenders on the wing. We have some great defenders on the post. So there’s no need to gamble. We all just have to trust our instincts and play the right way.”


Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/10/20/john-hammond-works-build-bucks-into-competitive-team/fot8IO7gpA31HYRxsmXn9H/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw)


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/224078/Dwight_Asking_Lakers_Not_To_Gamble_On_Defense#ixzz 2AbBNvbdE

[Venti Quattro]

Lebron would buttfuck Kobe..but Kobe would kill Lebron...would you prefer to be killed or buttfucked....:lol

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

[Koolaid_Man]

Dwight has the foot speed to stay with point guards? Obviously you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Girls shouldn't talk basketball. Assuming you are a girl with a pink name.

^ Another pussy I'm about to fuck I see....:lol

Dwight runs a 4.2 - 40 for your info....

what big man have you ever seen get to the rack and / or a lead fast break like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7zcDZUrqNM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX6c4vYclj4&feature=player_embedded

[Raven]

lemme explain what u bout to see....Andrew Bynum gone...Bynum couldn't even out run Porkins...whereas Dwight has the foot speed to stay with point guards..this is our main advantage now...When Porkins fouls out trying to Guard Dwight will they put Ibaka on Dwight and free up Gasol? Ibaka won't be getting no boards with Dwight in there... Dwight is the fastest big man the league has ever seen...and he's bout to get his fourth D-POY

wow, that has to be a top 3 for best bullshit post ever..

[Koolaid_Man]

How Dwight Howard Shuts Down Tony Parker and Russell WestbrookStatistics Prove Dwight Howard Has a Major Impact in Limiting the Effectiveness of Russell Westbrook and Tony Parker Around the Rim
If the Lakers are going to win the 2013 NBA title they very well may have to get past both the San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas) and Oklahoma City Thunder.
Dwight Howard (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818) could be the key in getting past the Spurs and Thunder by shutting down their explosive point guards near the rim.


Since Dwight Howard joined the Orlando Magic (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/orl) in 2004-2005 he has had a major impact containing Parker and Westbrook from within five feet of the hoop. With data taken from Pro-Basketball-Referene.com, here is the summary:


FG% on Shots Within Five Feet Since 2004-2005
Tony Parker (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527) - vs. Orlando Magic: 57% (51-89 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=parketo01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=ORL&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=5&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg)), vs. All Other NBA Teams: 63% (2719-4291 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=parketo01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=5&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg))


Russell Westbrook (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4390) - vs. Orlando Magic: 49% (22-45 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=westbru01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=ORL&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=5&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg)), vs. All Other NBA Teams: 53% (1203-2291 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=westbru01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=5&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg))
When facing Dwight Howard and the Orlando Magic, Tony Parker saw his FG% fall six points when shooting from within five feet of the rim. Russell Westbrook (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4390)'s FG% fell four points against the Magic.


Much of this significant decrease in Parker and Westbrook's ability to score near the rim against the Orlando Magic would logically be attributed to Dwight Howard's defensive presence.


The Steve Nash (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3103) - Dwight Howard Partnership
The implications of this are huge for the Lakers.


While Steve Nash will greatly benefit the Lakers' offense with this playmaking, penetration, and killer jump shot, Nash can be a defensive liability when matched up against younger, more explosive point guards.


The Lakers will likely face the Spurs and/or the Thunder in meaningful regular season games and in the playoffs, and Dwight Howard's play against their aggressive point guards will be vital.


Stopping PG's Key to a Lakers' Title
In the 2012 playoffs the Lakers point guards were exposed in the first round by the Denver Nuggets' Andre Miller and Ty Lawson. The Lakers escaped with a 4-3 series win.


In the second round the Lakers were obliterated by the Thunder's Russell Westbrook.


Fortunately for Lakers fans like me, Dwight Howard's presence will significantly reduce the effectiveness of the west's elite point guards like Tony Parker and Russell Westbrook around the rim.


Dwight Howard will help in covering up Steve Nash's defensive flaws, and the new Nash-Howard duo may very well power the Lakers to an NBA title in 2013.

[Koolaid_Man]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dwight-howard-shuts-down-tony-parker-russell-westbrook-014100077--nba.html

[Durantula35]

^ Another pussy I'm about to fuck I see....:lol

Dwight runs a 4.2 - 40 for your info....

what big man have you ever seen get to the rack and / or a lead fast break like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7zcDZUrqNM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX6c4vYclj4&feature=player_embedded
What will Dwight do about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5SJeidoUmc

[Durantula35]

How Dwight Howard Shuts Down Tony Parker and Russell Westbrook

Statistics Prove Dwight Howard Has a Major Impact in Limiting the Effectiveness of Russell Westbrook and Tony Parker Around the Rim


If the Lakers are going to win the 2013 NBA title they very well may have to get past both the San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas) and Oklahoma City Thunder.
Dwight Howard (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818) could be the key in getting past the Spurs and Thunder by shutting down their explosive point guards near the rim.


Since Dwight Howard joined the Orlando Magic (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/orl) in 2004-2005 he has had a major impact containing Parker and Westbrook from within five feet of the hoop. With data taken from Pro-Basketball-Referene.com, here is the summary:


FG% on Shots Within Five Feet Since 2004-2005
Tony Parker (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527) - vs. Orlando Magic: 57% (51-89 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=parketo01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=ORL&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=5&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg)), vs. All Other NBA Teams: 63% (2719-4291 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=parketo01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=5&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg))


Russell Westbrook (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4390) - vs. Orlando Magic: 49% (22-45 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=westbru01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=ORL&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=5&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg)), vs. All Other NBA Teams: 53% (1203-2291 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=westbru01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=5&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg))
When facing Dwight Howard and the Orlando Magic, Tony Parker saw his FG% fall six points when shooting from within five feet of the rim. Russell Westbrook (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4390)'s FG% fell four points against the Magic.


Much of this significant decrease in Parker and Westbrook's ability to score near the rim against the Orlando Magic would logically be attributed to Dwight Howard's defensive presence.


The Steve Nash (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3103) - Dwight Howard Partnership
The implications of this are huge for the Lakers.


While Steve Nash will greatly benefit the Lakers' offense with this playmaking, penetration, and killer jump shot, Nash can be a defensive liability when matched up against younger, more explosive point guards.


The Lakers will likely face the Spurs and/or the Thunder in meaningful regular season games and in the playoffs, and Dwight Howard's play against their aggressive point guards will be vital.


Stopping PG's Key to a Lakers' Title
In the 2012 playoffs the Lakers point guards were exposed in the first round by the Denver Nuggets' Andre Miller and Ty Lawson. The Lakers escaped with a 4-3 series win.


In the second round the Lakers were obliterated by the Thunder's Russell Westbrook.


Fortunately for Lakers fans like me, Dwight Howard's presence will significantly reduce the effectiveness of the west's elite point guards like Tony Parker and Russell Westbrook around the rim.


Dwight Howard will help in covering up Steve Nash's defensive flaws, and the new Nash-Howard duo may very well power the Lakers to an NBA title in 2013.
Uh 49% is still efficient and those numbers are not really a good measure considering the sample. Westbrook will blow by Nash at will and force Dwight to guard two players.

[Raven]

What will Dwight do about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5SJeidoUmc

block from 15 feet with an overhead kick tbh...

[purplengold]

also Lebron is overrated defensively...sure he gets excited when he guards a PG but he has no real competition at the SF spot in this watered down league...Lebron gets easily discouraged on Defense..you put a great scorer on him like Durant and Lebron will ask Shane Battier to guard him...Lebron shy's away from guarding players that don't respect him or that has great scoring abilities...just watch that nigga when he plays..he's overrated defensively....man I wish he ran into a Prime Kobe - you know the Kobe that destroyed the Spurs from 2000-2006....he would have ran Le_Hype's overrated ass outta the fucking gym...

that true people been puttin him as bein top 5 defensive player just cuz he stood infronta rose when heat use funnel tactic ta stop Rose. He good at defense but he dun hold a candle ta the defensive specialists like chandler or tony Allen. only thing he got goin fo him is bein a physical mismatch on defense

[Kai]

If the Rockets gave up this package for Harden, imagine what Orlando could have gotten from us if Dwight wasn't such a twat. Oh well, I hope they're happy with Aar:loln Affl:lollo and some shitty late picks :lol

[Bynumite]

Martin is one-dimensional, he's a shooter and not much else. Harden was a good spark off the bench for the Thunder. He could shoot, get to the line, assist and do a decent job vs Kobe on defense.

On paper, things just got easier for the Lakershow tbh.

[irishock]

lol westbrook-martin-durant will be awful defensively. The Lakers already have the Thunder beat on the inside game, and now they're about to kill them from outside.

[FkLA]

If you think Harden sucks youre a dumbass tbh. Id love this trade if I was a Rockets fan.

[ginobili's bald spot]

Spurstalk is fucking retarded when it comes to basketball discussion. I understand that nobody likes Harden, but acting like he isn't a good player is just stupid. I don't know what will happen with the draft picks OKC got in the future but their championship hopes for this season are done.

[whitemamba]

Spurstalk is fucking retarded when it comes to basketball discussion. I understand that nobody likes Harden, but acting like he isn't a good player is just stupid. I don't know what will happen with the draft picks OKC got in the future but their championship hopes for this season are done.

yeah, but hes a 6th man type player.. thats what he established himself, idk if he can handle the pressure of being a more go to guy.. harden is a baller, but i think its downhill from here

[djohn2oo8]

yeah, but hes a 6th man type player.. thats what he established himself, idk if he can handle the pressure of being a more go to guy.. harden is a baller, but i think its downhill from here
He's only 23. He has time to improve.

[FkLA]

^Harden was arguably the 3rd best SG in the game last season. Hes not just a bench player, and certainly wasnt coming off the bench because he wasnt good enough to start.

[whitemamba]

He's only 23. He has time to improve.

how long do you guys want to wait for a another ring? thats a very young team, very questionable. only 2 players livingston and delfino have played 7 years. the rest of the roster max is 3 year experience.

[djohn2oo8]

how long do you guys want to wait for a another ring? thats a very young team, very questionable. only 2 players livingston and delfino have played 7 years. the rest of the roster max is 3 year experience.

They don't have to make another move right now just to make one. They have max money to spend next summer which alot can happen between now and then. For example, CP3 wanting out of LA, Bynum's situation in Philly which could be another sign and trade scenario, Demarcus Cousins situation. The goal now was to make Houston a better destination tp team up with another star. No need to mess with the max money now.

[whitemamba]

They don't have to make another move right now just to make one. They have max money to spend next summer which alot can happen between now and then. For example, CP3 wanting out of LA, Bynum's situation in Philly which could be another sign and trade scenario, Demarcus Cousins situation. The goal now was to make Houston a better destination tp team up with another star. No need to mess with the max money now.

how did u feel about scola?

[djohn2oo8]

how did u feel about scola?

Serviceable but played no defense and didn't really help towards setting a direction.