Replace Kobe with LeBron on the Lakers

[Leetonidas]

How do you think they are faring this season with LeBron in place of Kobe? Top seed in the West and clear favorite imo

[bbarry]

82-0

[lakerddan]

And then watch Lebron freeze up in the Finals and lose.

[Kuestmaster]

they would win the west easily. that frontcourt would be terrific...
and lebron actually tries to involve his teammates

[lakerddan]

Lebron= 9 years 0 titles.

[lakerddan]

they would win the west easily. that frontcourt would be terrific...
and lebron actually tries to involve his teammates

Yeah until the pressures of the moment and he becomes the frozen one. Lebron needs to win a title then we can talk..

[Spur_Fanatic]

they would win the west easily. that frontcourt would be terrific...
and lebron actually tries to involve his teammates

[Kuestmaster]

Yeah until the pressures of the moment and he becomes the frozen one. Lebron needs to win a title then we can talk..

this is the reason I said that they'd win the west.
I don't know why, but LeBron in the Finals seems to lack determination or will.
In 2007 it was "excusable" because it was his first time and he carried a shitty cavs team there when nobody expected them to be in the Finals.
But no excuses for last year, he chucked big time. The Heat should have won against a Mavs that were not as good as they seemed

[lakerddan]

Not just a title will do, Lebron needs to be the reason they won a title. Not just piggy backing on Bosh and wade.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Not just a title will do, Lebron needs to be the reason they won a title. Not just piggy backing on Bosh and wade.

I fully agree with lakerddan.

Lebron doing a Kobe won't do.
He needs to be the main man, and not choke in the finals.

[Kuestmaster]

I fully agree with lakerddan.

Lebron doing a Kobe won't do.
He needs to be the main man, and not choke in the finals.

:lol

[dunkman]

The 11 Heat overachieved, they had 3 top players, a solid sixth man, but that was it. They were bad at PG and C positions. The Mavs didn't have as much top players, but that was a very solid team. LeBron could have played better, though. The 07 Cavs overachieved, too. Kobe never played well in the finals, except in 09, and that was because the Magic didn't have good wing defensive players, which is very unusual for finals teams.

LeBron is much better than Kobe, in particular he's an better team player.

[baseline bum]

If Gasol could carry 6-24 to the title, he'd be able to do the same for James.

[Baron Davιs]

Brilliant regular season team, but fail in playoffs.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Lakers would at least be the best team in LA.

[baseline bum]

Brilliant regular season team, but fail in playoffs.

So an improvement?

[pass1st]

LBJ is consistent for the most part until the playoffs, probably 2nd seed. Guaranteed 1st/2nd round fodder though. Same result with Kobe, but he wouldn't fold under pressure, just shoot the game away.

[lakerddan]

The 11 Heat overachieved, they had 3 top players, a solid sixth man, but that was it. They were bad at PG and C positions. The Mavs didn't have as much top players, but that was a very solid team. LeBron could have played better, though. The 07 Cavs overachieved, too. Kobe never played well in the finals, except in 09, and that was because the Magic didn't have good wing defensive players, which is very unusual for finals teams.

LeBron is much better than Kobe, in particular he's an better team player.

How is he a better team player when his teams never win squat? Also kobe only had 2 bad finals 2000,2004. He avg 26.8 pts 5.8 reb, 5.3 ast. 51.4 pct shooting in 2002. 24.6 pts, 7.8 reb, 5.8 ast. in 2001. 28.6 pts, 8 reb, 3.9 ast. in 2010. 32.4 pts, 7.4 ast, 5.6 reb in 2009. So he played well in 2001,2002,2009 and 2010 and O.K in 2008. Check your facts or stop making crap up..

[DPG21920]

Why do people act like Kobe hasn't folded under the pressure in the playoffs and that's all Lebron does?

[lakerddan]

Why do people act like Kobe hasn't folded under the pressure in the playoffs and that's all Lebron does?Because Kobe has played well in the finals and Lebon has not.

[DPG21920]

Kobe has also always had superior teams and Kobe has had numerous terrible games throughout the playoffs and finals, especially in elimination games. Lebron has certainly choked away some finals games, but the playoffs aren't just the finals; he's had dominant playoff performances as well.

[Giuseppe]

Because Kobe has played well in the finals and Lebon has not.

That's it and that's all.

[lakerddan]

Kobe has also always had superior teams and Kobe has had numerous terrible games throughout the playoffs and finals, especially in elimination games. Lebron has certainly choked away some finals games, but the playoffs aren't just the finals; he's had dominant playoff performances as well.
Wasn't the Heat supposed to be the greatest team ever on their way to winning " 6,7, 8 titles"? what happened?? Lebron chocked!!!

[DPG21920]

Saying that doesn't change the fact, Koolaid_man.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Because Kobe has played well in the finals and Lebon has not.

Welcome, traveler!

http://www.unicist.org/healthcare/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Parallel-Reality.jpg

[Giuseppe]

Wasn't the Heat supposed to be the greatest team ever on their way to winning " 6,7, 8 titles"? what happened?? Lebron chocked!!!

LD is right on in this instance.

James is a dismal failure.

[LkrFan]

How do you think they are faring this season with LeBron in place of Kobe? Top seed in the West and clear favorite imo

LeHype is one of the best regular season players of all time. :downspin:

[TheMACHINE]

Starting 5: Fisher, Kapono, James, Gasol and Bynum

With Gasol and Bynum demading the ball and clogging up the middle. Have fun with your increase in jumpshots Lebron.

[lakerddan]

Wasn't the Heat supposed to be the greatest team ever on their way to winning " 6,7, 8 titles"? what happened?? Lebron chocked!!!
Please don't go there. Seeing how Kobe as destroyed the Spurs in the Playoffs. Or do you remember 2001. How about 33.3 pts, 7 reb and 7 ast. per game in a 4 game sweep.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Did you just quoted yourself?!?

[Giuseppe]

^Jesus, SF right on it!

[z0sa]

Please don't go there. Seeing how Kobe as destroyed the Spurs in the Playoffs. Or do you remember 2001. How about 33.3 pts, 7 reb and 7 ast. per game in a 4 game sweep.

:lol quoting yourself

[Spur_Fanatic]

I'm actually amazed he not just quoted himself, he is actually pretending he is chatting. Someone please attention to the guy, this is pathetic.

[lakerddan]

Kobe has also always had superior teams and Kobe has had numerous terrible games throughout the playoffs and finals, especially in elimination games. Lebron has certainly choked away some finals games, but the playoffs aren't just the finals; he's had dominant playoff performances as well.
I meant to quote that idiot..

[Giuseppe]

I meant to quote that idiot..

Don't sweat the technique, LD.

These guys are extremely anal.

[z0sa]

:lol 12 posts in and already angrily crosseyed and asshurt.

[Giuseppe]

...but "in."

tee, hee.

[DPG21920]

I hope everyone knows that is Koolaid.

[lakerddan]

:lol 12 posts in and already angrily crosseyed and asshurt. No its just Lebron, The luv for Lebron is just sickening, I respect Duncan he has 4 titles, but what as Lebron done? get off his nuts...

[DPG21920]

There is a reason Culburn's troll Giuseppe showed up again only when Kool started posting.

[Giuseppe]

I hope everyone knows that is Koolaid.

I certainly pray that it is. Let no man, absolutely nary a man write Kevin's epitaph.

*& if it is Kevin, don't PM me, dude. They probably got it bugged.

God bless ya, boy.

[Spur_Fanatic]

No its just Lebron, The luv for Lebron is just sickening, I respect Duncan he has 4 titles, but what as Lebron done? get off his nuts...

Dude; I think you misquoted yourself again.
You quoted z0sa just now, not lakerddan.

[lefty]

Lebron is clearly the best overall player, but in the playoffs, with the game on the line, I would take Kobe

[Giuseppe]

^You goddamn rights you would, Lefty.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Lebron is clearly the best overall player, but in the playoffs, with the game on the line, I would take Kobe

Same here. Kobe's .250 FG% in the last 24 seconds of a game is huge.

[Giuseppe]

Same here. Kobe's .250 FG% in the last 24 seconds of a game is huge.

Vuj as well. When he pied piper'ed the whole fuckin' lot of 'em on June 17, 2010 to the free throw it was in California because of Kobe.

Just shows ta go ya.

[Leetonidas]

Because Kobe has played well in the finals and Lebon has not.

No he hasn't :lol

[Spur_Fanatic]

I actually had to google what happened on June 17, 2010.

[djohn2oo8]

I certainly pray that it is. Let no man, absolutely nary a man write Kevin's epitaph.

*& if it is Kevin, don't PM me, dude. They probably got it bugged.

God bless ya, boy.
Does he grab your hips when yall r fuckin, or do you shake ya tailfeather for him?

[Giuseppe]

"I actually had to google what happened on June 17, 2010."

That was the night that Fish, at 13 down, third quarter, grabbed some jacks & timbers, and then he started back down. My Luva was in exile, courtesy of Mrs. Ellis. The Lakers were prayin' and hearts beat fast, and everybody thought they'd breathed their last, cept Kool.

[midnightpulp]

That was the night that Fish, at 13 down, third quarter, grabbed some jacks & timbers, and then he started back down. My Luva was in exile, courtesy of Mrs. Ellis, Lakers were prayin' and hearts beat fast, and everybody thought they'd breathed their last, cept Kool.

har, har, har

[Giuseppe]

Does he grab your hips when yall r fuckin, or do you shake ya tailfeather for him?

That's it? That's all you got after 3 years?

:rolleyes

[djohn2oo8]

har, har, har
:lol

[lefty]

Same here. Kobe's .250 FG% in the last 24 seconds of a game is huge.
Hey he may not have a high % in crunch time, but at least he is not afraid to take the big shots

[Giuseppe]

Hey he may not have a high % in crunch time, but at least he is not afraid to take the big shots

6 times he took 'em in the '09-'10 season and 6 times he nailed those fuckers to the barn door.

Kobe Bryant, took an axe and gave the NBA 6 whacks, when he saw what he had done, he climbed on top of the shit bag 5-4.

[lefty]

6 times he took 'em in the '09-'10 season and 6 times he nailed those fuckers to the barn door.

Kobe Bryant, took an axe and gave the NBA 6 whacks, when he saw what he had done, he climbed on top of the shit bag 5-4.
Jordan still shits on Kobe though

[Spur_Fanatic]

Hey he may not have a high % in crunch time, but at least he is not afraid to take the big shots

:D

Fair enough.

But it's also 5 times more likely he will turnover the ball too.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Jordan still shits on Kobe though

Jordan?!?

Be more fair and compare him with Horry or some other Laker roleplayer.

[Giuseppe]

Jordan still shits on Kobe though

But, Jordan is land locked. Kobe is still dynamic.

[Hemotivo]

If Gasol could carry 6-24 to the title, he'd be able to do the same for James.
:wakeup

[mavsfan1000]

Have a great regular season but lose in the playoffs.

[Juggity]

LBJ is consistent for the most part until the playoffs, probably 2nd seed. Guaranteed 1st/2nd round fodder though. Same result with Kobe, but he wouldn't fold under pressure, just shoot the game away.

http://i.imgur.com/UlIEP.jpg

[mavsfan1000]

Kobe tries to do too much while Lebron completely chokes under the pressure. The more support Kobe has, the less he tries to do. It depends on his roster.

[baseline bum]

Have a great regular season but lose in the playoffs.

And that's worse than having a so-so season and getting swept out of the playoffs by 36?

[Killakobe81]

If you switch them in the 4th quarter of the Finals last year heat win the ship.

[Baseline]

With LeBron, the Lakers would go 59-7, and win the title. No question.

Bryant has been surrounded with more talent than any player in the NBA during his career. Yet it's obvious that he has always been a me-first guy. In his mind, he is Option 1, Option 2, and Option 3. The other guys on the court are merely bailout options.

LeBron fully realizes that basketball is a team sport.

The way Bryant plays, he might as well be playing tennis.

[Leetonidas]

If you switch them in the 4th quarter of the Finals last year heat win the ship.

Considering Kobe couldn't even get a single win against the Mavericks, I highly doubt that

[Killakobe81]

And Lakers are not that good. Even with Lebron they don't get to the Finals. The west is weaker than previous years but the Lakers PG and bench are trash without Kobe goudlock kapono or Barnes. Is at sg. Threads like these are dumb unless you set the parameters no way this exact. Laker team wins the west with lebron ...

[Killakobe81]

With LeBron, the Lakers would go 59-7, and win the title. No question.

Bryant has been surrounded with more talent than any player in the NBA during his career. Yet it's obvious that he has always been a me-first guy. In his mind, he is Option 1, Option 2, and Option 3. The other guys on the court are merely bailout options.

LeBron fully realizes that basketball is a team sport.

The way Bryant plays, he might as well be playing tennis.

Lol have u seen this. Laker team? I respect u and maybe u r trolling but taken at face value I have to wonder did u really go to UCLA, bum?

[mavsfan1000]

Lol have u seen this. Laker team? I respect u and maybe u r trolling but taken at face value I have to wonder did u really go to UCLA, bum?
Bynum and Gasol are tough to handle.

[Killakobe81]

Lets take it further, Lebron with no one as good as Wade or evenn Bosh (Pau used to be) Bynum may some day be, with Fish at PG a rookie backing him up and Troy Murphy as the backup big with Barnes or kapono o godlock at SG that team wins the west? ! LMFAO PLEASE BRING BACK KOOL because dumb threads are obviously not all his fault

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

And Lakers are not that good. Even with Lebron they don't get to the Finals. The west is weaker than previous years but the Lakers PG and bench are trash without Kobe goudlock kapono or Barnes. Is at sg. Threads like these are dumb unless you set the parameters no way this exact. Laker team wins the west with lebron ...
Lebrons pass first not chuck first. If he can take the Cavs to the finals in 07, then he can easily take Gasol & Bynum to the Finals in the "weak West" & beat who ever comes out the east.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Lebrons pass first not chuck first. If he can take the Cavs to the finals in 07, then he can easily take Gasol & Bynum to the Finals in the "weak West" & beat who ever comes out the east.

[Norris Cole]

Lol all the LeBron so blindly forgetting the 6-27 clutch Kobe.

[pass1st]

http://i.imgur.com/UlIEP.jpg

Don't really get the context

[Killakobe81]

Some of y'all no dick about basketball. You geniuses want to take the best driver in the game and u want to put 2 7 footers (Bynum and his man) in the paint and 2 more at the high post (pau and his) and combine that with Artest and Fish and u think that team wins the west? That team would still be slow, though a better defensive one, b ut Lebron would. Be on the perimeter feeding poor shooters and he would not have Wade to close games out. I know the shit sounds good in theory bit on practice that is a bad fit. I told u guys when James was with the CAVS crowding the paint with a 7 footer is dumb. When your team features Lebron Pau makes sense because he can stretch his man ...but even with James this Laker team would be conference finals at best. Add lebron and clips, okc are still better and Dallas would zone the shit out of that team

[Killakobe81]

Sorry posting on my cell will edit later

[jag]

Same here. Kobe's .250 FG% in the last 24 seconds of a game is huge.

:lol

[Leetonidas]

Lets take it further, Lebron with no one as good as Wade or evenn Bosh (Pau used to be) Bynum may some day be, with Fish at PG a rookie backing him up and Troy Murphy as the backup big with Barnes or kapono o godlock at SG that team wins the west? ! LMFAO PLEASE BRING BACK KOOL because dumb threads are obviously not all his fault

He took a team starting Sasha Pavlovic, Drew Gooden, and Boobie Gibson to the Finals. I think he can manage with Bynum and Gasol.

[Giuseppe]

He took a team starting Sasha Pavlovic, Drew Gooden, and Boobie Gibson to the Finals.

And he ended up in last place with 28 others teams.

None of that getting to the Finals bs, Lee.

Uh, uh. Nope. Not here. Not while I draw breath.

[lefty]

He took a team starting Sasha Pavlovic, Drew Gooden, and Boobie Gibson to the Finals. I think he can manage with Bynum and Gasol.
Not saying that Kobe could have led those scrubs to the Finals, he wouldnt have, that's for sure

But that 2007 run was an anomaly, and the fact that the Pistons underachieved was a part of it

[Killakobe81]

He took a team starting Sasha Pavlovic, Drew Gooden, and Boobie Gibson to the Finals. I think he can manage with Bynum and Gasol.

Not even arguing that they wouldn't b better bcuz they would b only a Kobe fanboi wouldn't. Admit that just saying they don't win the west and that CA team though limited was built for lebron to drive they had no bits in the paint ...z is a shooter and verejao a screener ...Lebron with 2 7 footers is a bad pairing plus this Lakers team lacks shooters to space the floor.

[HarlemHeat37]

The current version of Kobe is an inferior shooter to Lebron, which was previously one of his only advantages in the comparison..

Kobe is a better post player, but he has barely used his post game, this season..historically, he has been the superior clutch player, but he has been horrible in clutch time, this season, IIRC..

Lebron is the slightly superior jump shooter..much better and more willing passer..much better individual and team defender..much better rim attacker and finisher..he has every advantage, at this point..

The Lakers with Lebron would be on the same level as OKC, easily..also, if Lebron doesn't wanna shoot in the Finals, it wouldn't matter, Derek Fisher takes those big shots, anyways..

[Killakobe81]

The current version of Kobe is an inferior shooter to Lebron, which was previously one of his only advantages in the comparison..

Kobe is a better post player, but he has barely used his post game, this season..historically, he has been the superior clutch player, but he has been horrible in clutch time, this season, IIRC..

Lebron is the slightly superior jump shooter..much better and more willing passer..much better individual and team defender..much better rim attacker and finisher..he has every advantage, at this point..

The Lakers with Lebron would be on the same level as OKC, easily..also, if Lebron doesn't wanna shoot in the Finals, it wouldn't matter, Derek Fisher takes those big shots, anyways..
agree Lebron is better at everything except mid range jump shooting and post play ... switch the two and Lakers are better Heat worse. But this Lakers team sux outside of Kobe Pau and Bynum and Lebron isgteat but maybe only Jordan gets this team to the Finals

[Killakobe81]

Let's b real Lebron getting that cave to the Finals was great impressive. But giving. Lebron. Better talent did not help him go farther in the east and he was unable to ring with Wade and Bosh. Until. He does making assumptions on what he could do with the Lakers is pretty dumb why don't we let him ring with the stacked roster he has before claiming him saviour of a flawed Laker team.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

agree Lebron is better at everything except mid range jump shooting and post play ... switch the two and Lakers are better Heat worse. But this Lakers team sux outside of Kobe Pau and Bynum and Lebron isgteat but maybe only Jordan gets this team to the Finals
NO pretty sure Lebron would take advantage of having 2 allstar bigs unlike a certain player. Lebron wouldnt play Jordan like Kobes been trying too do. He would play Magic and average 12+ assist a game. Lebron would get his points when Gasol & Bynum are on the bench & off of fastbreak points. Lebrons also the best all around defender in the game today. Put lebron on Paul when you play the clippers & put Lebron on KD when the play the thunder. Their lakers are Back in the Finals against the bulls.

[Dunc n Dave]

If Lebron were a Laker, Big Titties Bynum would be a perrenial 20-12 guy. And Gasol would average around 18-19ppg. He would recognize the talent in the paint and give them the ball at the expense of his own scoring average.

[pass1st]

If Lebron were a Laker, Big Titties Bynum would be a perrenial 20-12 guy. And Gasol would average around 18-19ppg. He would recognize the talent in the paint and give them the ball at the expense of his own scoring average.

And they would be destine to lose in the post-season due to their leader having no backbone. Unless you want to suggest Bynum would be a successful leader, because it's already shown Pau can't lead.

[Killakobe81]

Yet Pau and Drew score 20 and still lose tonight ...this team is not that good.Lebron would make them better. But not good enuff 2 win West

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

And they would be destine to lose in the post-season due to their leader having no backbone. Unless you want to suggest Bynum would be a successful leader, because it's already shown Pau can't lead.
pau did it in 2010.

[Giuseppe]

pau did it in 2010.

Please. Kobe spent two years beating him like a dog to get him to act like somebody.

[Deuce Bigalow]

pau did it in 2010.

let me guess, he carried kobe...:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

NO pretty sure Lebron would take advantage of having 2 allstar bigs unlike a certain player. Lebron wouldnt play Jordan like Kobes been trying too do. He would play Magic and average 12+ assist a game. Lebron would get his points when Gasol & Bynum are on the bench & off of fastbreak points. Lebrons also the best all around defender in the game today. Put lebron on Paul when you play the clippers & put Lebron on KD when the play the thunder. Their lakers are Back in the Finals against the bulls.

lol he already has Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, 12+ assists... :lol

[pass1st]

pau did it in 2010.

Pau anchored, just like Duncan anchored in 2005 when Manu lead the team.

[024]

wat? pau can't lead? he's the one who dragged kobe's 6-24 dead corpse across the finish line in game 7 vs the celtics.

[Killakobe81]

lol he already has Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, 12+ assists... :lol

Exactly. Lebron is a badass but do people really think he can make up 4 no PG, no SG. No bench and the worst 3pt shooting in the league? If so he ie not only better than Kobe ...MJ better watch out ...

[Deuce Bigalow]

wat? pau can't lead? he's the one who dragged kobe's 6-24 dead corpse across the finish line in game 7 vs the celtics.

same Kobe who averaged 29/8 for the series?

[Leetonidas]

same Kobe who averaged 29/8 for the series?

40%fg

[DAF86]

How do you think they are faring this season with LeBron in place of Kobe? Top seed in the West and clear favorite imo

Yes.

[DAF86]

Playoffs stats:

Kobe- 25.4 ppg - 448 FG% - 4.8 assts - 5.1 rbs - 0.7 blks - 1.4 stls

Lebron- 28 ppg - 460 FG% - 7 assts - 8.4 rbs - 1 blks - 1.7 stls

lol

[Leetonidas]

B-b-b-but :cry Kobe's not afraid of taking the last shot :cry

[Giuseppe]

Playoffs stats:

Kobe- 25.4 ppg - 448 FG% - 4.8 assts - 5.1 rbs - 0.7 blks - 1.4 stls

Lebron- 28 ppg - 460 FG% - 7 assts - 8.4 rbs - 1 blks - 1.7 stls

lol

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Leetonidas]

This topic is about Kobe and LeBron. Please stay on topic.

[namlook]

If Gasol could carry 6-24 to the title, he'd be able to do the same for James.

0-13 in the playoffs Gasol? :lol

[Latarian Milton]

lakers would be a better team in the regular season with Bron in Kobe's place, but teams w/ bron as da #1 guy ain't never winnin no NBA fucking championship tbh. we just hope our n!gga wade stays healthy & on form when it really matters