Obama will be re-elected

[RandomGuy]

I think I can call that at this point. Barring anything seismically stupid said on his part, or some new economic crisis that causes a swath of new unemployment.

Republicans will talk themselves out of this realization and rationalize all sorts of things in the Fox "news" echo-chamber to avoid admitting this.

1) Hatred of Obama will be well balanced out by total lack of enthusiasm for Romney on the part of the GOP base.

2) Romney's background as an investment fund manager will present an easy narrative for Dems making the case to frustrated independents.

3) Overall slobbering nuttiness on the part of the right wing has probably turned off more than a few independents for Republican candidates in general.



This and the economy seems to be righting itself albeit slowly, and not getting markedly worse.

I can only hope his second term finds his administration pulling its head out of its ass, and starting to take on the GOP in Congress that is so obviously putting party ahead of country.

[Proxy]

Hopefully he starts doing shit and telling the GOP to fuck themselves before they completely dismantle the foundation of this country.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I think he will be re-elected pretty easily. The economy is not great but a little better than when he took office. I think most Americans will vote to give him a second term just so we don't take a step back.

[boutons_deux]

We'll see if Wall St and UCA can buy the WH for Willard Gecko.

It's going to be an extremely nasty campaign with PACs able to lie, smear, slander Barry and Michele on Gecko's behalf with him claiming "it's not me doing it".

[AFBlue]

The only point I'll agree with is your un-numbered fourth point about the perception of an improving economy. If Romney is the nominee and his "calling card" strength is somewhat marginalized by decreased importance, it will be extremely difficult for him to draw the contrast on other issues.

[InRareForm]

I think it's going to be close tbh

[101A]

Doesn't matter.

Each has a k-street stamp of approval. Pound your chest - convince yourself otherwise - pretend it REALLY matters.

The country has already lost the next election.

[boutons_deux]

The 1% will win, the 99% will lose.

It's never been about Repug vs Dem, or even about politics. It is and always will be Haves vs HaveNots.

Since Willard Gecko won't get out the vote on his own, we'll see how the Fox Repug and associated lying, hate "Christian" media will mislead/scare the bubbas into voting: Obama's war on religion, Obama cut-n-run, Obama, war-on-anything. America's fucking bogus wars everywhere.

America loves wars for killing, murdering, screwing somebody, anywhere hard.

[TDMVPDPOY]

rich vs poor, but theres more poor voters in america, just like ethnic groups > white

obama might call the shots, but its the 1% who decides the policies and where americas direction should be heading....

[boutons_deux]

"theres more poor voters in america"

many of the poor and sick old don't vote, and the Repugs' bogus Voter ID shit will block millions of them from voting.

[xrayzebra]

"theres more poor voters in america"

many of the poor and sick old don't vote, and the Repugs' bogus Voter ID shit will block millions of them from voting.

I hope you are one of them that is blocked.......:lol

Or maybe you have already moved to one of the most wonderful
socialist countries, you used to brag about.

[Latarian Milton]

RP imho is the only potential candidate that has a better odd of winning da presidency then Obama does tbh, u guys just be fucking stupid to vote 4 anyone not named Ron Paul

[boutons_deux]

"RP imho is the only potential candidate that has a better odd of winning da presidency then Obama does tbh"

As with Noot, InSaneTorum, RP has absolutely no chance of getting the nomination.

An RP America would be even a worse social/economic Darwinian dystopia.

[elbamba]

I'm not so sure.

1. paid almost $3.40 for gas on the way to work today. National average is just under $3.50.
http://fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/?redirectto=http://fuelgaugereport.opisnet.com/index.asp


2. The unemployment numbers are not as good as 8.3 would make it out to seem. Plus Obama made the enourmous mistake of setting a bar at 8.0.http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveodland/2012/02/06/unemployment-8-3-or-11-or-15-1-2/

3. Solyndra, SunPower Corporation and other companies taht Obama selected and gave money to that are either failed and/or are failing.

Republicans have arguments to make and plenty of facts that will support their cause. I think that by Super Tuesday the GOP needs to fall in line and get behind their candidate. To early to call in my book. A lot can happen before November. I for one, will not be too upset if Obama wins. My world is not that different now than when Bush and Clinton were in office.

[boutons_deux]

"Republicans have arguments to make and plenty of facts that will support their cause"

Repugs have nothing but lies and bogus facts, fabricated controversies (Solyndra) to to support their cause.

Notice how NOT ONE OF THEM has mentioned the names of dubya and dickhead, not wanting to remind the usually amenesiac sheeple how bad the last Repug regime fucked up America.

[cheguevara]

An RP America would be even a worse social/economic Darwinian dystopia.

And with Romney or Obama(take your pick) we are left with a dying wellfare-warfare police state thats owned by the Communists.

[coyotes_geek]

I think I can call that at this point. Barring anything seismically stupid said on his part, or some new economic crisis that causes a swath of new unemployment.

Republicans will talk themselves out of this realization and rationalize all sorts of things in the Fox "news" echo-chamber to avoid admitting this.

1) Hatred of Obama will be well balanced out by total lack of enthusiasm for Romney on the part of the GOP base.

2) Romney's background as an investment fund manager will present an easy narrative for Dems making the case to frustrated independents.

3) Overall slobbering nuttiness on the part of the right wing has probably turned off more than a few independents for Republican candidates in general.



This and the economy seems to be righting itself albeit slowly, and not getting markedly worse.

I can only hope his second term finds his administration pulling its head out of its ass, and starting to take on the GOP in Congress that is so obviously putting party ahead of country.

Agreed. A blowup in europe that affects the recovery here is about the only thing I see that can derail Obama now.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's interesting how confident all of you are even when the polls don't agree with your conclusions. This election is far from over.

[101A]

It's interesting how confident all of you are even when the polls don't agree with your conclusions. This election is far from over.

I might disagree with the general consensus of the thread - IF the Republicans truly had a decent alternative. However, the Republicans have chosen to run the guy who go beat by the guy that Obama beat last time.

Obama, FTW.

[Bartleby]

It's interesting how confident all of you are even when the polls don't agree with your conclusions. This election is far from over.

A LOT can happen between now and October, but the most recent polls give Obama the edge.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-holds-edge-over-romney-in-general-election-matchup-poll-finds/2012/02/05/gIQA5JX0sQ_story.html?hpid=z1

[The Reckoning]

what a shocking prediction!

[LnGrrrR]

It's interesting how confident all of you are even when the polls don't agree with your conclusions. This election is far from over.

Who do you think will beat him? Romney is pretty much a clone of Obama, except he leans towards giving more money to bankers than Obama did.

[CosmicCowboy]

A LOT can happen between now and October, but the most recent polls give Obama the edge.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-holds-edge-over-romney-in-general-election-matchup-poll-finds/2012/02/05/gIQA5JX0sQ_story.html?hpid=z1

from your article


Among registered voters, 49 percent say Obama’s performance warrants a second term; exactly as many say it doesn’t.

Among political independents, who are likely to determine the outcome of the election, 47 percent approve and 50 percent disapprove of the way he is handling his job.

I'm pretty sure when the smoke from the primaries clears Romneys numbers will go up.

At the end of the day Republicans hate Obama more than they dislike Romney and Romney is not as offensive to moderates as the rest of the republican field.

[Winehole23]

It's interesting how confident all of you are even when the polls don't agree with your conclusions. This election is far from over.The election is far from beginning, but I tend to agree a drawn out, contentious primary favors Obama. Republicans tearing each other to pieces doesn't hurt Obama and overexposure is a danger.

Should be pretty close. Romney could win, but the polls I've seen have Obama slightly ahead of Romney (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/).

Which ones were you looking at, CC?

[hater]

I predicted this months ago.

I also agree it will be close, and the only reason it will be close is because of the enormous amount of people that dislike Obama. The right wing media has done a pretty good job at demonizing him.

But still, the Obama hate will be overshadowed by the lack of a decent GOP option. Close but easy win for Obama.

[DarrinS]

Hopefully he starts doing shit and telling the GOP to fuck themselves before they completely dismantle the foundation of this country.


The irony. It's not conservatives that dislike the foundation of this country. Just recently, Ruth Bader Ginsburg advised the Egyptians not to use the U.S. Constitution as a model.

[DarrinS]

But, I agree with the OP. Shitty presidents do get re-elected.

[CosmicCowboy]

The election is far from beginning, but I tend to agree a drawn out, contentious primary favors Obama. Republicans tearing each other to pieces doesn't hurt Obama and overexposure is a danger.

Should be pretty close. Romney could win, but the polls I've seen have Obama slightly ahead of Romney (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/).

Which ones were you looking at, CC?

I think that decisive wins in Florida and Nevada has pretty well driven a stake through the heart of Gingrich/Santorum. The mudslinging is about to be over.

IMHO Obama has no place to go but down and Romney should rise as the primary smoke clears.

[DarrinS]

I also agree it will be close, and the only reason it will be close is because of the enormous amount of people that dislike Obama. The right wing media has done a pretty good job at demonizing him.


Actually, most people (including conservatives) like Obama, the man. They hate his policies. The left wing media has done a pretty good job at telling liberal lemmings that conservatives hate Obama, the black man.

[hater]

They hate his policies.

you must be referring to Obamacare (see how they added his name in there?)

because the rest of his policies are just a continuation of Bush policies.

[DarrinS]

you must be referring to Obamacare (see how they added his name in there?)

HillaryCare, RomneyCare


They do it to others too. Has nothing to do with his skin color.

[Winehole23]

Who do you think will beat him? Romney is pretty much a clone of Obama, except he leans towards giving more money to bankers than Obama did.Yep. Obama also notably adopted Romneycare as his template for health care reform.

George Soros recently said something similar. He assured the masters of the universe at Davos not to worry about Romney, that he's basically no different from Obama.

As the power of the presidency grows, the effects on us have become more radical: regulatory capture, reduced privacy, preventive detention, loss of due process, decade long wars of choice...I expect little change in this pattern regardless of who wins.

[hater]

HillaryCare, RomneyCare


They do it to others too. Has nothing to do with his skin color.

I was not talking about skin color at all.

Why are you so obsessed with skin color?

[coyotes_geek]

It's interesting how confident all of you are even when the polls don't agree with your conclusions. This election is far from over.

I'm certainly not going to shed a tear if Obama loses, he's been nothing more than W's 3rd term as far as I'm concerned. But, the points RG raised are all valid IMO.

[Winehole23]

I think that decisive wins in Florida and Nevada has pretty well driven a stake through the heart of Gingrich/Santorum. The mudslinging is about to be over.

IMHO Obama has no place to go but down and Romney should rise as the primary smoke clears.You said the polls didn't agree with posters who say Obama is the favorite. Were you referring to polls that haven't been taken yet?

[DarrinS]

I was not talking about skin color at all.

Why are you so obsessed with skin color?

Why are you so weirded-out that they "put his name in there"? <gasp!>

[CosmicCowboy]

You said the polls didn't agree with posters who say Obama is the favorite. Were you referring to polls that haven't been taken yet?

Have you not read the other posts in this thread?

From the link Bartleby posted...


Among registered voters, 49 percent say Obama’s performance warrants a second term; exactly as many say it doesn’t.

Among political independents, who are likely to determine the outcome of the election, 47 percent approve and 50 percent disapprove of the way he is handling his job.

Does that really sound like a slam dunk re-election to you?

[hater]

Why are you so weirded-out that they "put his name in there"? <gasp!>

Hey if you wanna believe Obama has not been demonized by right wing media and radio talk shows for the last 4 years, go right ahead.

[Winehole23]

Actually, most people (including conservatives) like Obama, the man. They hate his policies. The left wing media has done a pretty good job at telling liberal lemmings that conservatives hate Obama, the black man.But questioning his birth and identity four years after the election is totally valid. Also, totally unrelated to his skin color.

[Winehole23]

Also, totally unrelated to cable news and internet conspiranoia.

[Winehole23]

Have you not read the other posts in this thread?

From the link Bartleby posted...



Does that really sound like a slam dunk re-election to you?No. Did I say it was?

(I seem to recall saying it would be close.)

Generic approval/disapproval doesn't reflect head to head matchups as well as head to head polls, wouldn't you say?

[CosmicCowboy]

No. Did I say it was?

(I seem to recall saying it would be close.)

Generic approval/disapproval doesn't reflect head to head matchups as well as head to head polls, wouldn't you say?

The OP and several others are already claiming victory...I simply pointed out that their celebration may be a tad premature.

At this point in time I would actually trust a generic approve/disapprove poll on the incumbent more.

With all the mudslinging in the GOP primary Romney is a little bloodied at this point but there is plenty of time for that to blow over.

[Winehole23]

I simply pointed out that their celebration may be a tad premature.You also said their posts were against the trend of polling. Still waiting for you to back that up. One data point isn't a trend.

At this point in time I would actually trust a generic approve/disapprove poll on the incumbent more.Why?

[CosmicCowboy]

You also said it was against the trend of polling. Still waiting for you to back that up. One data point isn't a trend.
Why?

*sigh*

Can't you read?

A 49/49 approve/disprove is hardly a slam dunk for reelection as the OP and several others claimed.

The mudslinging on Romney is fresh on everyone's mind. That will fade with time. Once Obama/Romney start going head to head the negatives will balance out.

[Winehole23]

Sure, I can read. Can you answer a direct question? You're still dodging.

One data point still isn't a trend and I see no reason to think there will be any less mudslinging in the general election. On the contrary, the tsunami of corporate money for issue ads portends the nastiest campaign ever.

[Bartleby]

*sigh*


The mudslinging on Romney is fresh on everyone's mind. That will fade with time. Once Obama/Romney start going head to head the negatives will balance out.

Maybe. The economy could get worse, but it could also improve (Making Obama a very tough out). People could decide they don't dislike Romney so much after all, but he could also say more stupid stuff (or become even more unlikeable due to the spread of stories like his dog-on-the-roof fiasco).

More to the point, the poll I cited suggests that Obama has the momentum right now, and it's worth noting that if the election were held today it looks like he would probably win.

From the same source:


In a general-election test, Obama leads Romney 52 to 43 percent among all Americans; more narrowly, 51 to 45 percent, among registered voters.

[Winehole23]

dp

[CosmicCowboy]

OK, y'all are right. In the February election Obama probably wins. Too bad the election isn't until November.

http://oneyearbibleimages.com/chickens_hatch.jpg

[DarrinS]

But questioning his birth and identity four years after the election is totally valid. Also, totally unrelated to his skin color.

Meh, there were John McCain birthers before there were Obama birthers. I don't consider either to be a "mainstream" view.

[DarrinS]

Hey if you wanna believe Obama has not been demonized by right wing media and radio talk shows for the last 4 years, go right ahead.


Rush built a career on demonizing Bill Clinton. There's nothing "special" about the demonization of Obama.

[Winehole23]

OK, y'all are right. In the February election Obama probably wins. Too bad the election isn't until November.
See, if you'd just said that instead of making up bullshit about other posters misrepresenting the trend of polling, I'd have agreed without any reservation.

[CosmicCowboy]

See, if you'd just said that instead of making up bullshit about other posters misrepresenting the trend of polling, I'd have agreed without any reservation.

I guess I should have put it in blue so you would have recognized the sarcasm.

Y'all keep telling yourselves Obama has this election in the bag.

[Winehole23]

what sarcasm? now you're bullshitting us about your bullshit....

[CosmicCowboy]

what sarcasm? now you're bullshitting us about your bullshit....

Oh crap. Go find someone else to badger with your ankle biting bullshit. I'm not wasting any more time on this one.

[Winehole23]

excellent choice

[EVAY]

I also think that it is too early to call this election.

The economy can improve or decline, or either candidate can succumb to 'foot-in-mouth' disease at a critically wrong moment.

Plus, we have yet to see what the Koch brothers (the sponsors of the Swift Boat Veterans ads that demolished Kerry) have in store for Obama.

Last election, both sides were careful about mudslinging the other for fears of racism or sexism charges. This time, all bets will be off for mudslinging due to the intensity of the right's hatred for Obama, and the SuperPacs abilities to pay for exceptionally professional hatchet jobs.

And both sides have SuperPacs.

[boutons_deux]

Barry ahead 51% to 45%. Not a good sign after Willard Gecko romps in that shithole Nevada.

[Wild Cobra]

Barry ahead 51% to 45%. Not a good sign after Willard Gecko romps in that shithole Nevada.
It doesn't matter yet. Obama is being targeted yet.

[CosmicCowboy]

I also think that it is too early to call this election.

The economy can improve or decline, or either candidate can succumb to 'foot-in-mouth' disease at a critically wrong moment.

Plus, we have yet to see what the Koch brothers (the sponsors of the Swift Boat Veterans ads that demolished Kerry) have in store for Obama.

Last election, both sides were careful about mudslinging the other for fears of racism or sexism charges. This time, all bets will be off for mudslinging due to the intensity of the right's hatred for Obama, and the SuperPacs abilities to pay for exceptionally professional hatchet jobs.

And both sides have SuperPacs.

yep, Obama has to run on his record this time instead of running on rainbows and butterflies and hopey changey.

[Winehole23]

oh there'll be some bullshit too

[boutons_deux]

Repugs/Willard Gecko should run on their stellar job creation and economic mgmt (but they'll really run on their 20 abortion bills and amendments)

[JoeChalupa]

I still say it will be tough for Obama to win re-election but he's got my vote and with the support of others.....YES WE CAN!!

[Nbadan]

Voter suppression and e-voting makes it very difficult if not impossible to call elections a sure thing, I mean, Al Gore was a sure thing right? Hey, but if things continue as they do voters will have a choice to make between Obama or Obama Jr., and most voters, as skeptical and clinical they are about politics, will stay with the devil they know versus the devil they don't know like they did in 2004 with Dubya..

:lol at wing-nuts who think that Obama can't run on his saving the economy, regulating the housing industry, lowering the unemployment rate, increasing manufacturing jobs in the U.S., and saving the largest American car company

[Wild Cobra]

Voter suppression and e-voting makes it very difficult if not impossible to call elections a sure thing, I mean, Al Gore was a sure thing right? Hey, but if things continue as they do voters will have a choice to make between Obama or Obama Jr., and most voters, as skeptical and clinical they are about politics, will stay with the devil they know versus the devil they don't know like they did in 2004 with Dubya..

:lol at wing-nuts who think that Obama can't run on his saving the economy, regulating the housing industry, lowering the unemployment rate, increasing manufacturing jobs in the U.S., and saving the largest American car company
Al Gore and John sKerry just didn't cheat enough to win. Then everyone blames the other side. how classic is that?

[SA210]

Of course the fraud will be elected, most Americans are stupid. Nothing new.

[JoeChalupa]

Americans are not stupid but some do say stupid things.

[SA210]

No, most are very stupid.

[johnsmith]

I still say it will be tough for Obama to win re-election but he's got my vote and with the support of others.....YES WE CAN!!

Joe, if you don't mind me asking......why?

[johnsmith]

Americans are not stupid but some do say stupid things.

Yeah, I totally disagree with this.....Americans are very, very dumb.

[johnsmith]

I think Obama will win too. However, I do wonder what rising gas prices will do to his chances. They're talking $4.00 a gallon again this summer and that's enough to piss a lot of people off......especially people that don't understand that the President has nothing to do with gas prices.

[jack sommerset]

You poor,dumb barry, mindless democrat supporting bastards. Now that the GOP is wrapping up their nominee, the country will turn its attention back to Barry and the shit job he has done. You dumbasses still don't get that they could have put a monkey up against Barry and the monkey would win.

God bless you all

[DarrinS]

I think Obama will win too. However, I do wonder what rising gas prices will do to his chances. They're talking $4.00 a gallon again this summer and that's enough to piss a lot of people off......especially people that don't understand that the President has nothing to do with gas prices.



Media doesn't seem all that concerned about gas prices like they were in 2008.

[Winehole23]

it's the media's fault!

[coyotes_geek]

Media doesn't seem all that concerned about gas prices like they were in 2008.

Could have something to do with gas not being as expensive now as it was back during the 2008 peak and the four years Americans have had to get used to the concept of +$3/gal gas.

[Wild Cobra]

Could have something to do with gas not being as expensive now as it was back during the 2008 peak and the four years Americans have had to get used to the concept of +$3/gal gas.
I went to buy a case of oil a few days ago. It was over $60. last time I bought it at the same place about 6 months ago, it was something like $38. I didn't buy it, meant to look around. I wonder if I will find that normal now.

[coyotes_geek]

I went to buy a case of oil a few days ago. It was over $60. last time I bought it at the same place about 6 months ago, it was something like $38. I didn't buy it, meant to look around. I wonder if I will find that normal now.

Probably. I don't see any petroleum product getting significantly cheaper anytime soon.

[RandomGuy]

*sigh*

Can't you read?

A 49/49 approve/disprove is hardly a slam dunk for reelection as the OP and several others claimed.

The mudslinging on Romney is fresh on everyone's mind. That will fade with time. Once Obama/Romney start going head to head the negatives will balance out.

Actually didn't happen.

Romney had some of the worst "negatives" for a challenger in history, and that negative was partly to blame for Democratic turn out.

[RandomGuy]

I think I can call that at this point. Barring anything seismically stupid said on his part, or some new economic crisis that causes a swath of new unemployment.

Republicans will talk themselves out of this realization and rationalize all sorts of things in the Fox "news" echo-chamber to avoid admitting this.

1) Hatred of Obama will be well balanced out by total lack of enthusiasm for Romney on the part of the GOP base.

2) Romney's background as an investment fund manager will present an easy narrative for Dems making the case to frustrated independents.

3) Overall slobbering nuttiness on the part of the right wing has probably turned off more than a few independents for Republican candidates in general.



This and the economy seems to be righting itself albeit slowly, and not getting markedly worse.

I can only hope his second term finds his administration pulling its head out of its ass, and starting to take on the GOP in Congress that is so obviously putting party ahead of country.

Called it. February.

Close of course.

[SnakeBoy]

Called it. February.

Close of course.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24591750.jpg

[RandomGuy]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24591750.jpg

nah, just going through my subscribed threads.

This was my gut feeling, and little more than intuition to back it up. I got lucky, although with the GOP putting tea party whackadoos as candidates, I should not have been surprised when some of them said some of the stupidest shit in memory, and I think that had no small amount to do with the drubbing the GOP took in some demographics.

[SnakeBoy]

nah, just going through my subscribed threads.

This was my gut feeling, and little more than intuition to back it up. I got lucky, although with the GOP putting tea party whackadoos as candidates, I should not have been surprised when some of them said some of the stupidest shit in memory, and I think that had no small amount to do with the drubbing the GOP took in some demographics.

I don't think you got lucky, you picked the obvious. Hell I voted for Romney, think he would have been a very good potus, but I never thought he had a chance to win. Romney winning would have been the "lucky" thing.

[RandomGuy]

I don't think you got lucky, you picked the obvious. Hell I voted for Romney, think he would have been a very good potus, but I never thought he had a chance to win. Romney winning would have been the "lucky" thing.

It was obvious to me. It was closer than I thought it was going to be, much to the credit of the right-wing propaganda machine.

[RandomGuy]

Hopefully he starts doing shit and telling the GOP to fuck themselves before they completely dismantle the foundation of this country.

2012

Remarkably Prescient.

[RandomGuy]

I predicted this months ago.

I also agree it will be close, and the only reason it will be close is because of the enormous amount of people that dislike Obama. The right wing media has done a pretty good job at demonizing him.

But still, the Obama hate will be overshadowed by the lack of a decent GOP option. Close but easy win for Obama.

I am shocked by how much I agree with this, years later.

[Spurtacular]

2012

Remarkably Prescient.

Yea, almost as "remarkable" as Obama getting 95 percent turnouts in the hoods.