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boutons_deux
02-09-2012, 10:02 AM
Why the Right Wing Is Petrified of Letting Voters, Instead of the Electoral College, Pick Presidents

Republican Senator Mitch McConnell calls it “absurd and dangerous.” The Wall Street Journal says it deserves to “die.” The Heritage Foundation calls it “unconstitutional.” The Washington Post calls it “flawed.” A Republican National Committee resolution says it is a radical, un-American, “questionable legal maneuver.”

“We need to kill it in the cradle before it grows up,” McConnell told a Heritage Foundation audience last December.

Right-wingers like Uhlmann say that because human nature cannot be trusted, the founders created key governing bodies that were not elected, but instead consisted of wiser "elders" whose decisions put brakes on more impulsive majorities.

correct about NPV’s support. Majorities of American overwhelmingly back replacing the current Electoral College system with popular vote election of the president, according to Gallup, whose polls have tracked the issue for years. And it is not just Democrats who support this, although 71 percent of Democrats said they did, compared to 61 percent of Independents and 53 percent of Republicans polled last fall. But the Republicans who support NPV are cut from a different political cloth than the RNC leadership or conservative think tanks.

(NPV) “It is born from a frustration of a system that is inherently broken, a system that allots two-thirds to three-fourths of resources in a presidential campaign in the last six or seven weeks to six states. That isn’t democracy,”

“Any Republican and conservative who signs onto it needs a psychiatric examination. These people aren’t foolish. There are real constraints imposed by the Electoral College system.”

what of the right-wing critics who will continue to assert that America is not a democracy but a constitutional republic where the majority of voters should not get to vote for president—and for good reason, because of the tyranny of mob rule?

“Open a dictionary,” Koza replied. “Whether you are a democracy or not has nothing to do with whether you have a winner-take-all [Electoral College] rule. The president will still serve for four years. The federal legislature will still serve for two or six years, and they will make decisions on behalf of the public between elections. That’s the definition of a republic. These people who babble about democracy versus republic have never looked in the dictionary.”

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/154027

If the conservatives and Repugs are violently against it, aka litmus test, then you know NPV is a wonderful idea.

Spur_Fanatic
02-09-2012, 01:12 PM
agreed

Winehole23
02-09-2012, 01:19 PM
NPV, as described at the website :


Under the U.S. Constitution, the states have exclusive and plenary (complete) power to allocate their electoral votes, and may change their state laws concerning the awarding of their electoral votes at any time. Under the National Popular Vote bill, all of the state's electoral votes would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The bill would take effect only when enacted, in identical form, by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes—that is, enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538). http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/pages/explanation.php

Winehole23
02-09-2012, 01:20 PM
The bill has been enacted by 9 jurisdictions possessing 132 electoral votes — 49% of the 270 necessary to activate it (VT, MD, WA, IL, NJ, DC, MA, CA, HI). same

boutons_deux
02-09-2012, 01:22 PM
"they will make decisions on behalf of the public between elections"

Slipped a lie in there. The public doesn't figure in their decisions.

boutons_deux
02-09-2012, 01:23 PM
...

Bill_Brasky
02-09-2012, 01:25 PM
It got GW elected.

Winehole23
02-09-2012, 01:28 PM
@boutons:

why fuss over the manner of election when the UCA/MIC/VRWC has captured the government irretrievably? all the candidates are presumably groomed for power and prepositioned by the 1% -- we vote for a candidate of their choosing in any case.

what difference does it make if the 1%'s preselected man is elected directly or indirectly?

boutons_deux
02-09-2012, 01:47 PM
good point, the candidates are selected, or at least permitted, by the 1%, so there's really no way to reform the system.

So go ask the Repugs/conservatives why they so desperately want to "conserve" the status quo rather than switch to NPV.

Winehole23
02-09-2012, 01:52 PM
so there's really no way to reform the systemwhy the OP then? and why castigate the GOP for standing in the way of illusory reform?

boutons_deux
02-09-2012, 02:36 PM
repeat:

"So go ask the Repugs/conservatives why they so desperately want to "conserve" the status quo rather than switch to NPV."

They must see some risk in NPV or they wouldn't care.

TeyshaBlue
02-09-2012, 03:08 PM
If there is no operational difference whatsoever, by dint of the UCAMICVRWC, between the current system and the NPV, why do the progressives (If that is indeed the case) push NPV? They must see some benefit or they wouldn't care.

Winehole23
02-09-2012, 03:11 PM
Pom, meet Pom

Winehole23
02-09-2012, 03:25 PM
lol having to remind boutons he's a lazy nihilist

boutons_deux
02-09-2012, 04:01 PM
give me reasons why I should be optimistic about Human-Americans' and the environment's prospects.

101A
02-09-2012, 04:03 PM
give me reasons why i should be optimistic about human-americans' and the environment's prospects.

npv?

boutons_deux
02-09-2012, 04:11 PM
electoral college won't be abolished.

The "young" US republic is already as constipated as concrete, politically paralyzed, no major changes (progress) possible.

Winehole23
02-09-2012, 04:13 PM
thanks for nothing, then

mercos
02-09-2012, 04:48 PM
I would imagine Republicans are against the popular vote is because demographics are moving against them. This country is heading towards become a minority majority nation. As minorities tend to vote Democratic, the electoral college is the best bet the Republicans have at getting the White House. Eventually it won't matter as white Republican majorities are going to fall in all states over time.

Winehole23
02-10-2012, 03:33 AM
demographics may be destiny, but political loyalties change over time.