Refs blew this game...Rasheed should have been T'd

[SilverPlayer]

That is a fucking technical calling a time out when you hane none left.

[GopherSA]

What the hell? I guess it doesn't matter anymore now, but it was 0.1 seconds left - he called a time out - he should have been T'd up.

If we can lose with 0.4, they can be T'd up with 0.1 left.

[Dre_7]

Who cares now!!!!

Oh but Rip did get away with an O Foul at the end, but it dont matter he missed!!!!!

3-2 BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SilverPlayer]

I have a rule you only get to complain about the reffing if you win. The refs fucked us on this game twice.

[tempest186]

On the replay they showed Rasheed did call the Timeout but the clock already read 0:00 and the red light was on.

[WalterBenitez]

Refs didnt play, but that last play of RIP over TP should be called and offensive foul

[SilverPlayer]

We'll get a screenshot of that moment evetually but I am absolutely positive the clock still had numbers on it when Sheed's fingers touched.

[Pistons < Spurs]

On the replay they showed Rasheed did call the Timeout but the clock already read 0:00 and the red light was on.
correct

[SilverPlayer]

From what I saw of the replay, I was watching Sheed's hands. The moment he put his hands into a T I looked at the time and watched a couple more hundreths of a second tick off. They missed the call plain and simple, and it wouldn't be the way I want to win the championship. But hey .4 seconds is a long time to a Spurs fan.

[samikeyp]

It was a good no call.

[SilverPlayer]

would you say that if we had ended up losing?

[samikeyp]

yes.

[ShoogarBear]

It was a good no call.
Agreed.

Trivia question: name the last NBA Finals game where somebody tried to call a time out they didn't have and the refs ignored it.

[baseline bum]

The only thing that matters is this

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050620/capt.dtp12906200441.nba_finals_dtp129.jpg

[Supergirl]

Sheed got lucky. But no way did the refs want to let themselves decide the game but calling a tech on him. They'd never make it out of Detroit alive.

[ShoogarBear]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050620/capt.dtp12906200441.nba_finals_dtp129.jpg
Sheed: "Where have I seen this before?"

[JamStone]

Agreed.

Trivia question: name the last NBA Finals game where somebody tried to call a time out they didn't have and the refs ignored it.


Not sure what year, but it was probably late 70s, Paul Westphal for the Phoenix Suns ... I think it might have been against the Celtics and the Suns were down 1 point.

He intentionally called the time-out so the other team would shoot a technical foul, and back then, the rules didn't turn the ball over, so Westphal called it knowing the Suns would only be down 2 points, and they could advance the ball to halfcourt. I think that may have been the prelude to Gar Heard's shot heard round the world ... but I'm not 100% sure.

[SequSpur]

If it was the Spurs, there would've been a tech called.

Guaransheed.

[danyel]

Refs make mistakes, deal with it...

Spurs won, thats all that matters right now

[Dre_7]

Actually, I watched it again just now. Even though I was screaming for a T at the time, now that I am able to watch it several times in slow-mo, there was no time left. No tech. Good no call.

[ShoogarBear]

Not sure what year, but it was probably late 70s, Paul Westphal for the Phoenix Suns ... I think it might have been against the Celtics and the Suns were down 1 point.

He intentionally called the time-out so the other team would shoot a technical foul, and back then, the rules didn't turn the ball over, so Westphal called it knowing the Suns would only be down 2 points, and they could advance the ball to halfcourt. I think that may have been the prelude to Gar Heard's shot heard round the world ... but I'm not 100% sure.
You got the game right, but that's not the play I'm thinking of (even though you described that situation accurately). Heard's shot forced the triple OT.

Early in the game, though, Paul Silas tried to call a time out at the end of the first OT, but the Celtics had none left. He did it right in front of Richie Powers, who should have whistled a T and given the Suns a FT to win it, but instead he ignored him. Celtic haters around the country like me went ballistic.

[myhc]

Nope, it was a good non call. I thought the clock ran out anyways before Rasheed called the timeout.

[Tobias]

Thanks to Larry's comments eariler on, they are not 0-5 (i think) with Garretson reffing. While they still didn't win, Garretson sure did his best to keep them in (*cough* Dice's tip out of bounds that *somehow* hit Duncan somewhere as it went out*cough*)

[goliath]

It was a T

There was clearly .1 on the clock.

Even Al and Hubie mentioned it.

Plus it was clearly an offensive foul on Rip at the end.

Oh well, fuck it. Still up 3-2

[Horry For 3!]

There was .3 left up on the clock...I kept lookin it over and i'm watching the game again on ESPN i'll see it again. I'm pretty sure there was .3 left when he called the timeout.

[iminlakerland]

I couldnt believe sheed left horry open like that, he knows way better and yes sheed has seen that before. Time and time again horry did that to him when he played on portland, you'd think he would learn.

[grjr]

Thanks to Larry's comments eariler on, they are not 0-5 (i think) with Garretson reffing. While they still didn't win, Garretson sure did his best to keep them in (*cough* Dice's tip out of bounds that *somehow* hit Duncan somewhere as it went out*cough*)

Timmy pushed Mcdyess on that play and I think they called a foul on him since they gave the Pistons the ball out of bounds along the sideline. Naturally the announcers didn't say anything about it.

Larry probably isn't gonna enjoy see Danny Crawford for Game 6 either.

On a side note, since David retired we may be undefeated with Javie reffing. I sure used to hate seeing him before that though.

[Marklar MM]

Why call an offensive foul. You would have put whoever was guarding Rip(I think Parker) on the line with 2.5 seconds left. We would get the ball back. Good non call, that in essence, helped the Spurs.

[ambchang]

Refs didnt play, but that last play of RIP over TP should be called and offensive foul
It's an obvious offensive foul, but NO WAY the refs will call it. The refs will not get out of there alive if they did.

[King]

So, according to some people in this thread, there was clearly .1 left, and there was clearly .3 left, and then there were clearly a few hundredths of a second left.

Which leads me to believe that there was nothing clear about it.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Clearly the refs were not paying too much attention to the situation.
Clearly the refs blew enough calls on both ends of the floor to fill a phone book.
Clearly the Spurs won so I'm not going to be too upset if after Jim Garrison and his people break down the replay like the Zapruda film it turns out there should have been a T. Frankly I think that it's better for the Spurs this way. Winning the way the did is a huge emotional blow that I think the Pistons are going to have a hard time bouncing back from. Blazers couldn't do after the MDM, Spurs couldn't do it after .4. If the Pistons lost because of the tech they would have had something to get fired up over going into game six and it only would have fueled a bunch of angry Pistons fans on this board shouting conspiracy theories.

[ctpsb]

The lack of no call didn't bother me near as much as the clear elbow by Hamilton on the last shot (mentality: Yeah it's illegal, but you can't decide the game on a foul --- what??!!)