Should the Lakers Throw in the Towel?

[midnightpulp]

Naw that's no excuse. Not after the Terry nutpunch and Cuban shitting on the riverwalk that developed the hate between you two fanbases.

I'm a Southern California Spurs fan, so I don't hate them like many other Spursfans. I respect the rivalry, but I don't feel its bitterness like I imagine those who live in SA do. Lakers is where I direct my hate.

[Koolaid_Man]

Guy, you didn't hold me accountable. My actual accountant did for losing $500 that I paid up on immediately even in the face of being welshed on. I'm above reprieve when it comes to this and I figured even you would respect that.

I don't want to celebrate, I wanted MIA to win.

Let's team up and make life even more miserable for Tyson...he's a bad guy and really bad for ST...

[Pelicans78]

You aren't good at trolling, I just wanted you to know that. Since you have gone back on your word and are still posting to me, how about we answer this even though it's not basketball related:

Well you cant say for many many months that Chandler wasn't enough for the Mavs to win the West and then after they win the championship say that you were right about Chandler when the Mavs acquired him.

I guess you can say it, but its unethical.

[midnightpulp]

:lmao you have no self respect at all, none. you are a cheap hoe available for service.

That he is.

[DPG21920]

^yup, i'm not good at trolling at all, but this here is quality trolling :tu

everybody take notes. whenever you're wrong, just deny deny deny and change the subject to something other than basketball

Did Kool teach you that one? when you were running around foaming at the mouth obsessed with him studying his every move, thinking it was me :lol

I'm not joking when I say this: You have become significantly worse lately. You always were pretty bad, but then you made a little effort to talk basketball. Even though you weren't right with your takes, at least it was basketball. Now, you are way worse than before with terrible trolling but the sad thing is that I failed to realize how serious you take things.

To go around collecting personal info, to melting down because someone wouldn't put a pickle icon under someone's user name to now flat out lying to try and seem cool to a bunch of people that don't like you? Now that is learning from Kool IMO.

[Bruce Wayne]

midnight is good people so you should get off his nuts when talking in general about spur fan. midnight isn't your typical spur fan, those are guys like cheguevara and the occasional arrogant spur fan who tries to get all uppity like dpg. you're a gnsf with a cocky, psuedo intellectual persona.
I just think it's funny that DPG and company try to use the worn out "class" schtick.

[Killakobe81]

DPG did you read that link? I wasnt sure if you were trolling or not with your easy target post ... the similiarities were striking. And I did NOT touch your post.

[DPG21920]

Well you cant say for many many months that Chandler wasn't enough for the Mavs to win the West and then after they win the championship say that you were right about Chandler when the Mavs acquired him.

I guess you can say it, but its unethical.

Link?

I said that, when mavs>spurs was melting down, that Tyson was a good trade and they were the favorites with Tyson and Caron healthy during the season. When Caron went down, that's when I said the team, even with adding Tyson in the off-season didn't have enough and I was wrong about that.

Did mavs>spurs say that the mavs needed Gerald Wallace to win a title when Caron went down?

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm a Southern California Spurs fan, so I don't hate them like many other Spursfans. I respect the rivalry, but I don't feel its bitterness like I imagine those who live in SA do. Lakers is where I direct my hate.

this one special for you :lol they're Laker fans and they're Mexican...this should really get your goat midget :lol

Ze0RMMvWaUc

[DPG21920]

DPG did you read that link? I wasnt sure if you were trolling or not with your easy target post ... the similiarities were striking. And I did NOT touch your post.

lol I know Killa.

[Pelicans78]

Link?

I said that, when mavs>spurs was melting down, that Tyson was a good trade and they were the favorites with Tyson and Caron healthy during the season. When Caron went down, that's when I said the team, even with adding Tyson in the off-season didn't have enough and I was wrong about that.

Did mavs>spurs say that the mavs needed Gerald Wallace to win a title when Caron went down?

Oh now you're asking for a link :lol

You said it during the 2nd half of the season once Butler went down. Basically you didn't think about Tyson's impact on offense since most people felt his impact was only on defense.

M>S may have been right about Wallace. Honestly, not many people expected the Mavs to beat the Heat. You said it yourself it was about Lebron choking. So maybe adding Wallace would have made them that much better.

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm not joking when I say this: You have become significantly worse lately. You always were pretty bad, but then you made a little effort to talk basketball. Even though you weren't right with your takes, at least it was basketball. Now, you are way worse than before with terrible trolling but the sad thing is that I failed to realize how serious you take things.

To go around collecting personal info, to melting down because someone wouldn't put a pickle icon under someone's user name to now flat out lying to try and seem cool to a bunch of people that don't like you? Now that is learning from Kool IMO.

:lmao let's take that Mark out...me you and Midget...melting down over pickle icons is epic....dude loves him some pickles I guess :lol

[Killakobe81]

:lmao let's take that Mark out...me you and Midget...melting down over pickle icons is epic....dude loves him some pickles I guess :lol

Kool good to see you back. if you leave make sure it's on your own terms, nobody elses ...

[Pelicans78]

:lmao let's take that Mark out...me you and Midget...melting down over pickle icons is epic....dude loves him some pickles I guess :lol

You look great in pink.

Is it Breast Cancer awareness month?

[DPG21920]

Let's team up and make life even more miserable for Tyson...he's a bad guy and really bad for ST...

He is a legitimate weirdo. I'm not teaming up with you :lol but I do agree he is one of the few that their problems on here mirror their real life issues. He's a legit weirdo and has severe problems (I'm pretty sure you do to tbh, but I don't think you are as bad as him).

I agree he is the single biggest issue on ST in a negative way.

[Koolaid_Man]

You look great in pink.

Is it Breast Cancer awareness month?

I wouldn't shit to Komen...it's all a fraud...let their rich donors give my share for me :lol

[DPG21920]

Oh now you're asking for a link :lol

You said it during the 2nd half of the season once Butler went down. Basically you didn't think about Tyson's impact on offense since most people felt his impact was only on defense.

M>S may have been right about Wallace. Honestly, not many people expected the Mavs to beat the Heat. You said it yourself it was about Lebron choking. So maybe adding Wallace would have made them that much better.

Did I say the Mavs were the favorites with Tyson/Caron healthy?

Did I say the Tyson trade was a good one while mavs>spurs melted down over it?

Saying Wallace would have made them better isn't the point. The point is he said the Mavs FO sucked for not adding Wallace and that the Mavs could not win a title without him.

[Bruce Wayne]

You look great in pink.

Is it Breast Cancer awareness month?
Makes sense, he is a boob.

[Pelicans78]

Did I say the Mavs were the favorites with Tyson/Caron healthy?

Did I say the Tyson trade was a good one while mavs>spurs melted down over it?

Saying Wallace would have made them better isn't the point. The point is he said the Mavs FO sucked for not adding Wallace and that the Mavs could not win a title without him.

No reason to get mad DPG.

Alot of people felt the Mavs needed a deadline move with Butler out. Didn't you? You said it yourself Cuban cost Dirk a title without adding a player at the deadline.

But anyway, you pretty much threw in the towel since you couldn't add anything new.

[Koolaid_Man]

He is a legitimate weirdo. I'm not teaming up with you :lol but I do agree he is one of the few that their problems on here mirror their real life issues. He's a legit weirdo and has severe problems (I'm pretty sure you do to tbh, but I don't think you are as bad as him).

I agree he is the single biggest issue on ST in a negative way.

I'm not a weirdo I just like fucking with people...especially Spur fan...:lol

I bleed and cry like the next man but I don't have problems on here that mirror real life...I am a bit conceited and high minded at times...at times I really do think I'm better than some people and it's wrong because I'm a descendant of slavery and shouldn't have some of the views I have...I'm working on that flaw...but nothing here offends me contrary to what you guys think. I did have good intentions to pay you * but I received so many PM's from your fellow Spur fan advising that they knew for a fact you had no plans to pay me and when you admitted you only had $300 in your account to cover the bet that sealed the deal for me. It should have been moderated...But all that's water under the bridge now. I consider us friends...:lol

I think though you should take it easy on Tyson..he really is a poor and broke guy... and arguing ferociously over pickle icons is proof positive. He got hurt by some bitch and apparently he's never recovered. He wants to fight people all the time because of the poor quality of his home life...openly brags about hanging out at various hamburger joints and Wal-fucking Mart of all places...the dude is a pure comedy gold moron...

I rag on you Deepy but seem to be a more sensible person..and even midget I know he's not racist and I've known it for a long time but he does get ticked at the fact that I bang white ho's apologetically...he thinks I'm a black militant...part of me is but part of me isn't...:lol I like midget because he really believes he's smarter than me..and I can appreciate that quality...:lol


* again

[DPG21920]

Hornets78 again with the not so subtle trolling goods :lol

[DPG21920]

I'm done posting to mavs>spurs no matter how many times he reaches out to me publicly or by leaving messages on my profile. I am here to help him if he has any more questions about real life, but I know a legitimately messed up person (not in the scary way, just the sad way) when I see one. Unlike him as well, I have will power and I'm not mentally weak so I can actually refrain from posting to him after I say this.

[Giuseppe]

I'm done posting to mavs>spurs no matter how many times he reaches out to me publicly or by leaving messages on my profile.

You should tell your Aunt on him. You're a pretty good rat.

[Koolaid_Man]

You should tell your Aunt on him. You're a pretty good rat.


:lmao

[Pelicans78]

it's also funny when one of the worst posters on the site (per the rankings) rags on the reigning poster of the month for not being a good enough poster. some people obviously like me and my work, so if you don't its cool but don't over exaggerate the importance of your opinion, just don't read my posts and you won't have to be reminded about how wrong you were and still continued to be into this year.

As a member of the EC, there hasn't been any complaints about M>S.

However, DPG should know better than to use personal attacks on the NBA forum. Its frowned upon by the EC.

[Koolaid_Man]

guys, DONT be duped into thinking dpg is a good poster or even a good guy. the few posters here who have met the guy in real life regularly trash him in aim chats and don't like the guy, he's short, annoying, and has a unique style of trolling where he tries to bait you then play innocent. he's also really dumb when it comes to basketball discussion, and thought that chris bosh's numbers weren't overinflated in toronto and that the mavs not only wouldn't win but had absolutely 0 chance at all. he tries to make me look like the bad guy but its me who feels bad for him.


all in aall he strikes me as a better human being than you could ever be...all you do is argue and fake threaten people all day...your the classic guy who brings a knife to a gun fight...ohh wait you're the guy that never shows up...:lmao

[Leetonidas]

ya'll niggaz is ghey

[DPG21920]

Kool, the fact he came to me asking for advice in real life and I was nice enough to guide him without asking for anything in return should illustrate to you the difference between him and I. When all the b.s. settled and he needed real help, he knew to come to me because I would help and give him the best advice I could even though he treats everyone poorly because of his real life problems he tries to escape by coming here and lying all day.

[Koolaid_Man]

then why were you posting pictures of ak47s to me and running scared? why didn't i get an invite to vegas? :lol kool you're as fake as a 4 dollar bill

I will post em again if need be..my message to you and anyone posting..you run up on my front door and that's where your mama will be picking you up...it was no joke and it wasn't an AK it was an AR-15 dumb ass

[Koolaid_Man]

then why were you posting pictures of ak47s to me and running scared? why didn't i get an invite to vegas? :lol kool you're as fake as a 4 dollar bill

and why should you get an invite..you still going on dates to hamburger joints..nope we're not on the same level :lol

[Bill_Brasky]

It's got nothing at all to do with basketball. DPG is just mad because when the mavs won it all, I wouldn't allow DPG to celebrate while all the spur fans were jumping for joy acting like it was their championship. DPG was the only spur fan who didn't celebrate the mavs championship, because he was so WRONG BOUT DEM MAVS :smokin

Except for me. I didn't celebrate the Mavs title.

Fuck the Mavs.

[DPG21920]

Bill, don't fall for it.

[Koolaid_Man]

Kool, the fact he came to me asking for advice in real life and I was nice enough to guide him without asking for anything in return should illustrate to you the difference between him and I. When all the b.s. settled and he needed real help, he knew to come to me because I would help and give him the best advice I could even though he treats everyone poorly because of his real life problems he tries to escape by coming here and lying all day.

now he says he only asked you one question...:lol

[callo1]

here's an official rebuttal from an elite Laker fan:

Let me tell you why this strategy sucks.

1. We don't have a PG that can make those entry passes
2. Bynum can't handle double teams(they send it every time)
3. We do not have outside shooters
4. Our movement off-ball is absolutely terrible
5. No spacing with Metta Fisher and Barnes all getting a lot of minutes


This happens every game. Our first option is to always go inside, we either:

1. Can't make the pass - ends with Kobe bail out

If by some miracle we make the pass

2. Bynum is double teamed, and either of the following happens:

a) He turns the ball over
b) He attacks the double and misses the shot
c) He makes the wrong pass and we don't get an open shot - Kobe bail out
d) He makes the right pass, but it's to Metta/Fisher/Barnes/Blake and they miss

Assuming that it's actually Pau that we're going inside to, if by some miracle we make the pass

3. Pau is single covered, and

a) Holds onto the ball for 10 seconds after jab stepping a million times and then passes it to Kobe for a bail out shot

b) Shoots a jumper falling away from the basket
c) Passes it out to Metta/Fisher/Barnes/Blake and they miss
d) Gets the ball slapped away


That's what happens when the offense is ran through our bigs.

That is pretty much it, point for point.

The Triangle did not require a true pg and was thus a guard friendly system. Fisher, despite some big game winners against the Magic in the Finals has been sinking fast. Now that Brown is running conventional sets, the pg play is really exposed.

When the playoffs start, and the game slows down to more of a half court set, some of these issues would seem to be resolved, but under a conventional system and in a conference with elite guards, I don't see it being enough to make a difference.

Unless the Lakers can get a true pg by the trade deadline, It doesn't look good for them, and even if they do, they would most likely have to give up Pau, so there goes their length advantage inside, so it is somewhat of a wash.

Odom leaving took a big chunk of versatility out of both the offense and the defense.

[DPG21920]

He also admits I gave him advice and now, like the sh*tty person he is acts like "I wasn't helpful" when that's not the point. The point is that I offered to help him and he came to me because he valued my opinion and education level for whatever reason.

[DPG21920]

Now he will probably go on another loser spree and start threads and follow me around and post on my profile....until he needs real help again.

[Koolaid_Man]

By the way, you're a liar and still responding to me although indirectly. master of semantics and trickery, you are.

the only thing I ever lied about was fucking your mom...I showed up and it was clear case of bait and switch...like mother like son..i guess

4bSv1S-NdTo

[DPG21920]

Kool, you still welshed and I'm pretty sure you are messed up in real life, but like I said I'm sure tyson is really messed up. It's going to kill him that I don't talk to him or take his very obvious low-grade bait worse than it does you :lol.

I'll be here to help him though if he really needs it, but I am not interacting with a legit weirdo any more. Especially when you've heard of some of the shady accusations against him regarding real life tragedy and creepy activities.

[Bill_Brasky]

Bill, don't fall for it.

Not fallin for anything tbh, just making it known that I still hate the Mavs and won't be lumped in with sissy Spur fans that were actually happy that those fucks won.

I will never forgive Lebron for that shit.

[DPG21920]

Not fallin for anything tbh, just making it known that I still hate the Mavs and won't be lumped in with sissy Spur fans that were actually happy that those fucks won.

I will never forgive Lebron for that shit.

He knows only a few Spurs fans were celebrating, but it's his shtick to make things up then hammer on it for a long time and stalk people (* not just online either).

[Bill_Brasky]

He knows only a few Spurs fans were celebrating, but it's his shtick to make things up then hammer on it for a long time and stalk people (* not just online either).

Sounds like a decent idea for a poll tbh...

[Bruce Wayne]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/TSB/Lakers_Rock__Roll.gif

[DPG21920]

lol what is that ^

[dunkman]

That's what landed them Bynum tbh. They will eventually get a big FA, plus an lottery pick which may make them relevant again.

I think they still have top talent. However, Kobe system doesn't make good use of it. And Brown is not a great offensive coach.

World and Murphy were good players last season, not sure why no bench.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Holy shit! A post about actual basketball from Kool! Mark your calendars everyone. :lol

It's not his. Kool's idea of bball starts and ends on Kobe's ass. :rollin

[Calispursfan11]

here's an official rebuttal from an elite Laker fan:

Let me tell you why this strategy sucks.

1. We don't have a PG that can make those entry passes
2. Bynum can't handle double teams(they send it every time)
3. We do not have outside shooters
4. Our movement off-ball is absolutely terrible
5. No spacing with Metta Fisher and Barnes all getting a lot of minutes


This happens every game. Our first option is to always go inside, we either:

1. Can't make the pass - ends with Kobe bail out

If by some miracle we make the pass

2. Bynum is double teamed, and either of the following happens:

a) He turns the ball over
b) He attacks the double and misses the shot
c) He makes the wrong pass and we don't get an open shot - Kobe bail out
d) He makes the right pass, but it's to Metta/Fisher/Barnes/Blake and they miss

Assuming that it's actually Pau that we're going inside to, if by some miracle we make the pass

3. Pau is single covered, and

a) Holds onto the ball for 10 seconds after jab stepping a million times and then passes it to Kobe for a bail out shot

b) Shoots a jumper falling away from the basket
c) Passes it out to Metta/Fisher/Barnes/Blake and they miss
d) Gets the ball slapped away


That's what happens when the offense is ran through our bigs.

Kool, thanks for the thoughtful response. I haven't read all the posts that have appeared in this thread since I first posted it so perhaps you've already explained this, but are you saying that there is no remedy to the BIGS/PG situation with the current personnel and the offense needs to continue to run through Kobe? If so, it seems like you're saying the Lakers can't be much if any better than they currently are without a major acquisition or trade. Is that what you're saying or do you think with their current roster, then can somehow go from mediocre to elite status come playoff time without a big change? Interested in your honest thoughts on this. Thanks.

[Pelicans78]

Based on what Kool said, I think the Lakers are better off trading Kobe for a legit PG since Bynum is the anchor defensively while as efficient offensively with Gasol being the most effecient offensively and better than Kobe defensively. Basically Kobe is the most expendable. Trade him to the Nets for D-Will.

[Koolaid_Man]

Kool, thanks for the thoughtful response. I haven't read all the posts that have appeared in this thread since I first posted it so perhaps you've already explained this, but are you saying that there is no remedy to the BIGS/PG situation with the current personnel and the offense needs to continue to run through Kobe? If so, it seems like you're saying the Lakers can't be much if any better than they currently are without a major acquisition or trade. Is that what you're saying or do you think with their current roster, then can somehow go from mediocre to elite status come playoff time without a big change? Interested in your honest thoughts on this. Thanks.

They need a change down low... The problem is our bigs at this point, they're both inept and inadequate. Amongst the many other things outlined, Pau know how to from a thought process but from an execution POV he cannot establish low post position because he's too weak. Anyone from 6'6 to 7'0 can easily move him to and fro...he's just too lite in the ass. He holds the ball way too long then looks for Kobe to bail him out.

Drew is a poor mans Dwight...Dwight may not be as polished as Drew in the paint but he's a certified 20 / 20 man and doesn't have to be forced to play D.

I said it before and I'll say it again...Pau to Boston for Rondo, or to Houston for Scola / Lowry while Drew and Artest go to Orlando for Dwight...if at least one of these don't go down were done in the first round this year.

[Banzai]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/TSB/Lakers_Rock__Roll.gif

Thats from Fresh prince of bel-air.

[Calispursfan11]

Thats from Fresh prince of bel-air.

LOL, Kobe shares a startling resemblance to Carlton.

[Calispursfan11]

They need a change down low... The problem is our bigs at this point, they're both inept and inadequate. Amongst the many other things outlined, Pau know how to from a thought process but from an execution POV he cannot establish low post position because he's too weak. Anyone from 6'6 to 7'0 can easily move him to and fro...he's just too lite in the ass. He holds the ball way too long then looks for Kobe to bail him out.

Drew is a poor mans Dwight...Dwight may not be as polished as Drew in the paint but he's a certified 20 / 20 man and doesn't have to be forced to play D.

I said it before and I'll say it again...Pau to Boston for Rondo, or to Houston for Scola / Lowry while Drew and Artest go to Orlando for Dwight...if at least one of these don't go down were done in the first round this year.

That's a very reasonable analysis tbh. Thanks.

[Calispursfan11]

Why haven't I seen any posts about the significance of the Lakeshow's win over the Raptors yet?

[Giuseppe]

Why haven't I seen any posts about the significance of the Lakeshow's win over the Raptors yet?

Frankly, it mean't more to you guys than us. You'd a tore us apart at loss.

It was a decimating loss for you guys.

You needed it more than us, and we needed it bad.

[midnightpulp]

Frankly, it mean't more to you guys than us. You'd a tore us apart at loss.

It was a decimating loss for you guys.

You needed it more than us, and we needed it bad.

The Slope

http://oi41.tinypic.com/35l4s2h.jpg

Makes me feel better.

[Giuseppe]

The Slope

http://oi41.tinypic.com/35l4s2h.jpg

Makes me feel better.

:rolleyes

[midnightpulp]

:rolleyes

That slope pulling Kirby's pants down and sticking the bamboo chutes up ol' number 24's keester really has you steaming, don't it?

[Trill Clinton]

the slope

http://oi41.tinypic.com/35l4s2h.jpg

makes me feel better.


rofl!!!!!!!!

*slain*

[Giuseppe]

That slope pulling Kirby's pants down and sticking the bamboo chutes up ol' number 24's keester really has you steaming, don't it?

:rolleyes

[ezau]

Their window closed last year when the Mavs swept them. They are obviously not going to win this year. Their golden ticket was handed over to the Clippers, instead of having Paul they have 2 slow PG's above their 30's running the offense. They are slow, old and tired and their best trading chip is over the hill with a toxic contract. Trading Odom was their biggest mistake this season. People say he would be useless even with the Lakers this year. I disagree, I think playing in LA with his teammates was Lamar's refuge. Laker fans loved Lamar and Lamar love Los Angeles.



The Lakers will enjoy a couple more 50 win seasons and fwiw, I think Kobe will continue to entertain Laker fans, but hoping for anything more than a playoff berth is just wishful thinking.