Lol. Refs handing the game to the Lakers

[midnightpulp]

garbage

[midnightpulp]

And Kobe with one of his overrated game winners. If he didn't play like ass the second half, Lakers win in a blow out.

[JamStone]

Playing like ass for a stretch during a game and still winning >>>>> playing great individual basketball and losing

At least as far as SpursTalk goes, something I don't quite get is when Laker haters and Kobe haters want to talk about how overrated Kobe is but they're often the ones who start threads and make the most posts about him. He's overrated. He's a ballhog. He's inefficient. He's selfish. Well fuck, stop talking about him. Stop starting threads. Stop devoting half your posts on him. That would be my suggestion.

[Koolaid_Man]

garbage

awww baby....tough titty :lol

[midnightpulp]

Playing like ass for a stretch during a game and still winning >>>>> playing great individual basketball and losing

At least as far as SpursTalk goes, something I don't quite get is when Laker haters and Kobe haters want to talk about how overrated Kobe is but they're often the ones who start threads and make the most posts about him. He's overrated. He's a ballhog. He's inefficient. He's selfish. Well fuck, stop talking about him. Stop starting threads. Stop devoting half your posts on him. That would be my suggestion.

And if these threads irritate you so much, stop responding to them.

That would be my suggestion.

[Reck]

Last 2 wins by 1 point. :lol

[JamStone]

And if these threads irritate you so much, stop responding to them.

That would be my suggestion.

Not irritated by it at all. Didn't say that. Didn't suggest it. I said I didn't get it.

It was a suggestion to stop. You don't have to. A suggestion isn't an order you have to follow.

[Bruce Wayne]

And if these threads irritate you so much, stop responding to them.

That would be my suggestion.
Mid delivering the goods.

[Juggity]

At least as far as SpursTalk goes, something I don't quite get is when Laker haters and Kobe haters want to talk about how overrated Kobe is but they're often the ones who start threads and make the most posts about him. He's overrated. He's a ballhog. He's inefficient. He's selfish. Well fuck, stop talking about him. Stop starting threads. Stop devoting half your posts on him. That would be my suggestion.

Those who hate Kobe merely wish to add the ever-growing contrarian opinion that seeks to uproot his shaky legacy. Why should they be silent if they think Kobe is trash? He gets enough positive attention from Laker fans to far offset any negative attention from other people.

[Killakobe81]

Playing like ass for a stretch during a game and still winning >>>>> playing great individual basketball and losing

At least as far as SpursTalk goes, something I don't quite get is when Laker haters and Kobe haters want to talk about how overrated Kobe is but they're often the ones who start threads and make the most posts about him. He's overrated. He's a ballhog. He's inefficient. He's selfish. Well fuck, stop talking about him. Stop starting threads. Stop devoting half your posts on him. That would be my suggestion.

Nope. They love talking about him ...
thing is, when Kobe plays well but misses a the gamewinner we hear how overrated he is in the clutch. But when makes the game deciding plays all we hear is how he struggled before that.

Pulp is just a hater, he has no tangible facts to bring. He could taste that Laker loss and Kobe (and the refs) took it away and it hurts. Their asses are sore and bleeding :lol

[Bruce Wayne]

Not irritated by it at all. Didn't say that. Didn't suggest it. I said I didn't get it.

It was a suggestion to stop. You don't have to. A suggestion isn't an order you have to follow.
Not your thread, so fuck your suggestion.

[spursfan1000]

What else is new?

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Kobe doing Kobe.. shitting on bitch azz hoes

[JamStone]

Those who hate Kobe merely wish to add the ever-growing contrarian opinion that seeks to uproot his shaky legacy. Why should they be silent if they think Kobe is trash? He gets enough positive attention from Laker fans to far offset any negative attention from other people.

It only draws more attention to Kobe. Ignoring anything Kobe would be far more evidence that he's become what many of his critics suggest, a selfish and irrelevant chucker on a team going nowhere.

[Jodelo]

NBA.com: Kobe comes through again

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Bruce Wayne]

Nope. They love talking about him ...
thing is, when Kobe plays well but misses a the gamewinner we hear how overrated he is in the clutch. But when makes the game deciding plays all we hear is how he struggled before that.

Pulp is just a hater, he has no tangible facts to bring. He could taste that Laker loss and Kobe (and the refs) took it away and it hurts. Their asses are sore and bleeding :lol
Laker fans overuse the word "hater" alot with no real understanding the real meaning.

[JamStone]

Not your thread, so fuck your suggestion.

Cool. Thanks for your suggestion to fuck my suggestion. It's so duly noted.

[midnightpulp]

Nope. They love talking about him ...
thing is, when Kobe plays well but misses a the gamewinner we hear how overrated he is in the clutch. But when makes the game deciding plays all we hear is how he struggled before that.

Pulp is just a hater, he has no tangible facts to bring. He could taste that Laker loss and Kobe (and the refs) took it away and it hurts. Their asses are sore and bleeding :lol

Um, what? Every comparison you fucktards like to make concerning how Kobe measures up to whatever all-time great happens to be in the discussion, I back up my arguments with nothing but facts and stats. It's your ilk who always cite things like Kobe's "killer instinct" or "his will to win," concepts that are totally unquantifiable.

[Killakobe81]

Um, what? Every comparison you fucktards like to make concerning how Kobe measures up to whatever all-time great happens to be in the discussion, I back up my arguments with nothing but facts and stats. It's your ilk who always cite things like Kobe's "killer instinct" or "his will to win," concepts that are totally unquantifiable.

If you want to dance, because Im saving my moves for DPG ...prove it. Find a post where I argued Kobe's legacy over let's say Duncan, where I used his killer instinct or will to win as a main pillar of my argument. I have posted on the subject many times, shouldnt be that hard if I am a fan of that "ilk" ... :lol

waiting. :nope

[midnightpulp]

If you want to dance, because Im saving my moves for DPG ...prove it. Find a post where I argued Kobe's legacy over let's say Duncan, where I used his killer instinct or will to win as a main pillar of my argument. I have posted on the subject many times, shouldnt be that hard if I am a fan of that "ilk" ...

waiting. :nope

Citing ring counts would also fall under the "unquantifiable," since it takes a team to win a championship. And Kobe's ring count is usually the main pillar of your argument in these cases since Kobe often falls short statistically of nearly every top ten all-time great.

[Spursfan092120]

Not irritated by it at all. Didn't say that. Didn't suggest it. I said I didn't get it.

It was a suggestion to stop. You don't have to. A suggestion isn't an order you have to follow.

this...these threads are ridiculous. I wish the "All Kobe all the Time" thread was still there..then we wouldn't have to get flooded with Kobe shit all the time.

[Killakobe81]

Citing ring counts would also fall under the "unquantifiable," since it takes a team to win a championship. And Kobe's ring count is usually the main pillar of your argument in these cases since Kobe often falls short statistically of nearly every top ten all-time great.

Moving the goal posts. Since rings arent quantifiable, then what is? Kobe is one of the all-time scorers. Pretty quantifiable, so are MVP's, ALL NBA selections and all defensive teams. So are GM polls.

But if you want to say basketball is team sport and discount rings, then pretty much all stats are meaningless. Shooters often times needs screens to get opne or good passers to get them open shots. Coaches run plays. Other players suck the defense in. Yes, i do use rings as PART of my argument, but Im not Cully.

Try again, you missed.

[HarlemHeat37]

What happened, tbh?..

[pass1st]

LAL beat top tier talent, was a good victory

[BlackSwordsMan]

Nary a post from Seppe? It's a damn shame.

[Deuce Bigalow]

0:56Kobe Bryant makes 25-foot three point jumper (Steve Blake assists)89-90
0:35 89-90Linas Kleiza lost ball (Kobe Bryant steals)
0:31Metta World Peace makes two point shot (Kobe Bryant assists)91-90
0:31Toronto 20 Sec. timeout 0:16 91-92Jose Calderon makes 17-foot two point shot
0:16Los Angeles full timeout
0:16 91-92James Johnson enters the game for Linas Kleiza
0:07 91-92Aaron Gray personal block (Kobe Bryant draws the foul)
0:04Kobe Bryant makes two point shot (Metta World Peace assists)93-92

people still gonna hate :lol

[JamStone]

What happened, tbh?..

Lakers played a shitty Raptors team. Should have had a comfortable win. Kobe re-enters in the fourth quarter and misses like 6 shots in a row. Raptors take a lead. Kobe makes a couple of shots and gets an assist to help take the game. Refs made a questionable foul call. Lakers win. Some people on the board get a little sore in the bottom, start threads about it. You know, that old chestnut.

Also ignores the PG defense on Jose Calderon who dropped 30 points on 18 shots. Kobe is to blame for his share of deficiencies and negative play. But it's always the focus whereas there are bigger issues with the Lakers that are primary reasons why they aren't much better than they have been. The lack of production at the PG and SF spots and the lack of an even average bench are the two main and glaring holes for the Lakers. Sure, Kobe is a selfish ballhog. He's not the only problem. And in reality, he's not even among the biggest problems.

[midnightpulp]

Moving the goal posts. Since rings arent quantifiable, then what is? Kobe is one of the all-time scorers. Pretty quantifiable, so are MVP's, ALL NBA selections and all defensive teams. So are GM polls.

But if you want to say basketball is team sport and discount rings, then pretty much all stats are meaningless. Shooters often times needs screens to get opne or good passers to get them open shots. Coaches run plays. Other players suck the defense in. Yes, i do use rings as PART of my argument, but Im not Cully.

Try again, you missed.

Stats. And since statistical measurement has evolved exponentially over the past decade (you can like advanced stats or not, but if you're still primarily evaluating statistical contribution by only "per game" or "total" stats, you're still in the dark ages) we can arrive at a general idea of how effective a player is on both sides of the ball. Of course, observation should be used in conjunction with stats to come to an overall conclusion. For example, there's no stat to measure an open shot a teammate gets because of a star player being double team or how good a player's help defense is, but other than some outliers, they do paint a pretty accurate picture. It's not surprise that usual top-ten all time great suspects (Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, etc) dominate the advance stat categories.

[midnightpulp]

0:56Kobe Bryant makes 25-foot three point jumper (Steve Blake assists)89-90
0:35 89-90Linas Kleiza lost ball (Kobe Bryant steals)
0:31Metta World Peace makes two point shot (Kobe Bryant assists)91-90
0:31Toronto 20 Sec. timeout 0:16 91-92Jose Calderon makes 17-foot two point shot
0:16Los Angeles full timeout
0:16 91-92James Johnson enters the game for Linas Kleiza
0:07 91-92Aaron Gray personal block (Kobe Bryant draws the foul)
0:04Kobe Bryant makes two point shot (Metta World Peace assists)93-92

people still gonna hate :lol

Missed 5 shots before that. Nice cherry pick :tu

[Deuce Bigalow]

Stats. And since statistical measurement has evolved exponentially over the past decade (you can like advanced stats or not, but if you're still primarily evaluating statistical contribution by only "per game" or "total" stats, you're still in the dark ages) we can arrive at a general idea of how effective a player is on both sides of the ball. Of course, observation should be used in conjunction with stats to come to an overall conclusion. For example, there's no stat to measure an open shot a teammate gets because of a star player being double team or how good a player's help defense is, but other than some outliers, they do paint a pretty accurate picture. It's not surprise that usual top-ten all time great suspects (Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, etc) dominate the advance stat categories.
PER (Hollinger's formula)

Magic Johnson

Season
Peak: 27.0
Career: 24.1
Playoffs
Peak: 26.2
Career: 22.9

Larry Bird

Season
Peak: 26.5
Career: 23.5
Playoffs
Peak: 26.3
Career: 21.4

Kobe Bryant

Season
Peak: 28.0
Career: 23.6
Playoffs
Peak: 26.8
Career: 22.3



Kobe has a higher career PER than Larry Bird in the Regular Season and Playoffs
Kobe has a higher Peak PER in the Regular Season and Playoffs than Magic Johnson and Larry Bird

[midnightpulp]

Lakers played a shitty Raptors team. Should have had a comfortable win. Kobe re-enters in the fourth quarter and misses like 6 shots in a row. Raptors take a lead. Kobe makes a couple of shots and gets an assist to help take the game. Refs made a questionable foul call. Lakers win. Some people on the board get a little sore in the bottom, start threads about it. You know, that old chestnut.

Also ignores the PG defense on Jose Calderon who dropped 30 points on 18 shots. Kobe is to blame for his share of deficiencies and negative play. But it's always the focus whereas there are bigger issues with the Lakers that are primary reasons why they aren't much better than they have been. The lack of production at the PG and SF spots and the lack of an even average bench are the two main and glaring holes for the Lakers. Sure, Kobe is a selfish ballhog. He's not the only problem. And in reality, he's not even among the biggest problems.

And damn straight I'm sore. Lakers blowing a 17 point lead to the Raptors would've made it a juicy day on the board. Too bad the Raptors are such incompetent fucks and couldn't take care of the ball down the stretch.

Part of me dies when a Laker fan is happy. Real talk.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Missed 5 shots before that. Nice cherry pick :tu
Hit 2 shots before the missed shots to give them a 6 point lead, nice cherrypick

[Deuce Bigalow]

Oh and to add on to the PER

All 3 of those player, their Peak PER in the Playoffs came on a championship year so it wasn't a small sample size
Magic '87
Bird '84
Kobe '09

and
Kobe's 2009 Finals (28.3 PER) is higher than any of Magic's, Bird's, Kareem's, Hakeem's best Finals performance

[Banzai]

Some obsessed people In this forum tbh.

[Giuseppe]

Only pussies & assholes play the officiating card.

[midnightpulp]

PER (Hollinger's formula)

Magic Johnson

Season
Peak: 27.0
Career: 24.1
Playoffs
Peak: 26.2
Career: 22.9

Larry Bird

Season
Peak: 26.5
Career: 23.5
Playoffs
Peak: 26.3
Career: 21.4

Kobe Bryant

Season
Peak: 28.0
Career: 23.6
Playoffs
Peak: 26.8
Career: 22.3



Kobe has a higher career PER than Larry Bird in the Regular Season and Playoffs
Kobe has a higher Peak PER in the Regular Season and Playoffs than Magic Johnson and Larry Bird

PER's weakness is it undervalues assists, which is why Bird and Magic have slightly lower PERs. Furthermore, Bird's last couple of years when he was clearly past his prime brought down his overall score.

And who cares about "peak playoff PER?" Yao Ming has a higher peak playoff PER than Kobe Bryant. A player could easily pad that stat in a 4 game sweep in which he lost. But yes, Kobe's '09 run where he posted that number was indeed one of the all-time great playoff seasons. No arguments there.

[Deuce Bigalow]

PER's weakness is it undervalues assists, which is why Bird and Magic have slightly lower PERs. Furthermore, Bird's last couple of years when he was clearly past his prime brought down his overall score.

And who cares about "peak playoff PER?" Yao Ming has a higher peak playoff PER than Kobe Bryant. A player could easily pad that stat in a 4 game sweep in which he lost. But yes, Kobe's '09 run where he posted that number was indeed one of the all-time great playoff seasons. No arguments there.
I already told you, their Peak PER in the Playoffs came when they won the championship

and does PER value defense? which Kobe was clearly better than Magic and Bird

[midnightpulp]

I already told you, their Peak PER in the Playoffs came when they won the championship

And all that proves is that Kobe's peak was higher than Magic's or Bird's in that regard (although if PER revises its formula to grant more weight to assists, which I believe it should, he'll probably be behind those two). Duncan has 2 instances where he posted a higher PER in a championship run than your hero, but we know you'd never concede Duncan is the superior player.

So, what's the point of posting peak PERs?

[HarlemHeat37]

PER is a weak stat, tbh, but if you're going to use it, it must be used by the individual player's ranking in a particular year, as opposed to the actual number, since PER is affected by the results/performances of the other players for that season, as well..

Kobe has two top 3 finishes(both #3), Magic has two top 3 finishes(#2, #3) and Bird has 6 top 3 finishes(including two #1s)..

Magic is especially impressive, since PER is notoriously difficult on PGs..

Bird was clearly superior to both, from a PER perspective..

[Giuseppe]

Poor Midst, got his nose rubbed in his do-do.

tee, hee.

[Deuce Bigalow]

And all that proves is that Kobe's peak was higher than Magic's or Bird's in that regard (although if PER revises its formula to grant more weight to assists, which I believe it should, he'll probably be behind those two). Duncan has 2 instances where he posted a higher PER in a championship run than your hero, but we know you'd never concede Duncan is the superior player.

So, what's the point of posting peak PERs?
I posted the careers too
nobody takes PER seriously

[midnightpulp]

I posted the careers too
nobody takes PER seriously

Who are they?

Oh, I know. Kobe fans :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

Lakers played a shitty Raptors team. Should have had a comfortable win. Kobe re-enters in the fourth quarter and misses like 6 shots in a row. Raptors take a lead. Kobe makes a couple of shots and gets an assist to help take the game. Refs made a questionable foul call. Lakers win. Some people on the board get a little sore in the bottom, start threads about it. You know, that old chestnut.

Also ignores the PG defense on Jose Calderon who dropped 30 points on 18 shots. Kobe is to blame for his share of deficiencies and negative play. But it's always the focus whereas there are bigger issues with the Lakers that are primary reasons why they aren't much better than they have been. The lack of production at the PG and SF spots and the lack of an even average bench are the two main and glaring holes for the Lakers. Sure, Kobe is a selfish ballhog. He's not the only problem. And in reality, he's not even among the biggest problems.

as long as you can agree that MJ was an even bigger selfish ball hog then you have some legitimacy....if not continue to waste your breathe

[Koolaid_Man]

I posted the careers too
nobody takes PER seriously


wrong...those who are on the losing end of 5>4 do :lol

[DPG21920]

Lakers played a shitty Raptors team. Should have had a comfortable win. Kobe re-enters in the fourth quarter and misses like 6 shots in a row. Raptors take a lead. Kobe makes a couple of shots and gets an assist to help take the game. Refs made a questionable foul call. Lakers win. Some people on the board get a little sore in the bottom, start threads about it. You know, that old chestnut.

Also ignores the PG defense on Jose Calderon who dropped 30 points on 18 shots. Kobe is to blame for his share of deficiencies and negative play. But it's always the focus whereas there are bigger issues with the Lakers that are primary reasons why they aren't much better than they have been. The lack of production at the PG and SF spots and the lack of an even average bench are the two main and glaring holes for the Lakers. Sure, Kobe is a selfish ballhog. He's not the only problem. And in reality, he's not even among the biggest problems.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/Drevil_million_dollars.jpg/200px-Drevil_million_dollars.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

Who are they?

Oh, I know. Kobe fans :lol
do u ever hear any player, coach, gm, ect mention it?
:lol
Lebron had higher per than kobe in 2010, way higher, but tell me what did alvin gentry say in the playoffs?
did he say lebron is better than kobe because of >per? no lol
he said kobe is the best player in the leageu, it's not even close...kobe homer?
:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

For the playoffs..

Bird was #1 for the 1984 title, #4 for the 1986 title, and #4 for the 1981 title..

Magic was #4 for the 1980 title, #2 in 1982, #2 in 1987, and #5 in 1988..

Kobe was #4 in 2001, #5 in 2009 and #4 in 2010..

[midnightpulp]

PER is a weak stat, tbh, but if you're going to use it, it must be used by the individual player's ranking in a particular year, as opposed to the actual number, since PER is affected by the results/performances of the other players for that season, as well..

Kobe has two top 3 finishes(both #3), Magic has two top 3 finishes(#2, #3) and Bird has 6 top 3 finishes(including two #1s)..

Magic is especially impressive, since PER is notoriously difficult on PGs..

Bird was clearly superior to both, from a PER perspective..

I don't know about it being weak. While there's always outliers (David Robinson for one), a high PER has a strong correlation to playoff success, and most of the players who make the top ten lists are typically top ten all time in regular season and playoff PER. Even before they used PER, they often unknowingly awarded the MVP to the player who indeed would have a top 3 PER for that year.

[TheMACHINE]

What an awesome game winner.

Kobe is fucking GOAT bitches.

Kobe is the best Laker ever, the Spurs killer. Best recognize.

Jordan Who?

[Giuseppe]

What an awesome game winner.

Kobe is fucking GOAT bitches.

Kobe is the best Laker ever, the Spurs killer. Best recognize.

Jordan Who?

Yep, that one broke a lot a asses.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I don't know about it being weak. While there's always outliers (David Robinson for one), a high PER has a strong correlation to playoff success, and most of the players who make the top ten lists are typically top ten all time in regular season and playoff PER. Even before they used PER, they often unknowingly awarded the MVP to the player who indeed would have a top 3 PER for that year.
career PER in Playoffs

1. Michael Jordan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)* 28.59 2. George Mikan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mikange01.html)* 28.51 3. LeBron James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html) 26.31 4. Shaquille O'Neal (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html) 26.12 5. Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olajuha01.html)* 25.69 6. Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) 25.43 7. Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html) 24.75 8. Tracy McGrady (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcgratr01.html) 24.66 9. Dwyane Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html) 24.56 10. Charles Barkley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barklch01.html)* 24.18 11. Dwight Howard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01.html) 23.65 12. Dolph Schayes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/schaydo01.html)* 23.29 13. Jerry West (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westje01.html)* 23.06 14. David Robinson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinda01.html)* 23.02 15. Amare Stoudemire (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01.html) 23.01 16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01.html)* 23.01 17. Magic Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma02.html)* 22.95 18. Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html)* 22.77 19. Bob Pettit (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pettibo01.html)* 22.59 20. Kobe Bryant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html) 22.28 21. Baron Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisba01.html) 22.20 22. Elgin Baylor (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bayloel01.html)* 21.83 23. Kevin Garnett (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garneke01.html) 21.67 24. Larry Bird (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/birdla01.html)* 21.41

[Baron Davιs]

Playing like ass for a stretch during a game and still winning >>>>> playing great individual basketball and losing

At least as far as SpursTalk goes, something I don't quite get is when Laker haters and Kobe haters want to talk about how overrated Kobe is but they're often the ones who start threads and make the most posts about him. He's overrated. He's a ballhog. He's inefficient. He's selfish. Well fuck, stop talking about him. Stop starting threads. Stop devoting half your posts on him. That would be my suggestion.

:lol



:toast

[midnightpulp]

do u ever hear any player, coach, gm, ect mention it?
:lol
Lebron had higher per than kobe in 2010, way higher, but tell me what did alvin gentry say in the playoffs?
did he say lebron is better than kobe because of >per? no lol
he said kobe is the best player in the leageu, it's not even close...kobe homer?
:lol

Yes, cause coaches always say stuff that makes sense.

"Michael Jordan would average 60 in today's game."

- Larry Brown, basketball genius.

Also, coaches and "NBA experts" ALWAYS says hyperbolic shit following a playoff series. When Duncan destroyed the Lakers in '03, Magic said he was the best post-player he's ever seen. This is coming from a guy who played with Kareem. Coaches, announcers, analysts often get caught up in the moment and will say any amount of dumb things that only fanboys of that particular player being lauded would interpret as solid analysis.

[DMC]

Only pussies & assholes play the officiating card.

Do you dislike pussy and asshole?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yes, cause coaches always say stuff that makes sense.

"Michael Jordan would average 60 in today's game."

- Larry Brown, basketball genius.

Also, coaches and "NBA experts" ALWAYS says hyperbolic shit following a playoff series. When Duncan destroyed the Lakers in '03, Magic said he was the best post-player he's ever seen. This is coming from a guy who played with Kareem. Coaches, announcers, analysts often get caught up in the moment and will say any amount of dumb things that only fanboys of that particular player being lauded would interpret as solid analysis.
mad

[TheMACHINE]

im a happy lakers fan...what part of midnightpulp died just now?

[Koolaid_Man]

Yep, that one broke a lot a asses.

what hurts me though is seeing players like Lin look all-world against an older Kobe...a prime Kobe would have shat all over that chanks head :lol

[midnightpulp]

career PER in Playoffs

1. Michael Jordan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)* 28.59 2. George Mikan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mikange01.html)* 28.51 3. LeBron James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html) 26.31 4. Shaquille O'Neal (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html) 26.12 5. Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olajuha01.html)* 25.69 6. Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) 25.43 7. Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html) 24.75 8. Tracy McGrady (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcgratr01.html) 24.66 9. Dwyane Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html) 24.56 10. Charles Barkley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barklch01.html)* 24.18 11. Dwight Howard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01.html) 23.65 12. Dolph Schayes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/schaydo01.html)* 23.29 13. Jerry West (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westje01.html)* 23.06 14. David Robinson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinda01.html)* 23.02 15. Amare Stoudemire (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01.html) 23.01 16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01.html)* 23.01 17. Magic Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma02.html)* 22.95 18. Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html)* 22.77 19. Bob Pettit (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pettibo01.html)* 22.59 20. Kobe Bryant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html) 22.28 21. Baron Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisba01.html) 22.20 22. Elgin Baylor (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bayloel01.html)* 21.83 23. Kevin Garnett (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garneke01.html) 21.67 24. Larry Bird (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/birdla01.html)* 21.41

Are you mad that Kobe is 20th? Is that why you don't take it seriously? :lol

I know you'll use players like Baron Davis and Amare as proof that PER is an unreliable stat, but what you fail to acknowledge is those two have relatively small sample sizes. Do me a favor and adjust the list so it features players who played more than 100 playoff games.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yep, that one broke a lot a asses.
lol imagine how they felt :lol

[midnightpulp]

mad

Lol at "coaches' opinion"

Mad that Kobe is 20th.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Are you mad that Kobe is 20th? Is that why you don't take it seriously? :lol

I know you'll use players like Baron Davis and Amare as proof that PER is an unreliable stat, but what you fail to acknowledge is those two have relatively small sample sizes. Do me a favor and adjust the list so it features players who played more than 100 playoff games.
why would I be mad? :lol
5 championships

[DPG21920]

career PER in Playoffs

1. Michael Jordan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)* 28.59 2. George Mikan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mikange01.html)* 28.51 3. LeBron James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html) 26.31 4. Shaquille O'Neal (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html) 26.12 5. Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olajuha01.html)* 25.69 6. Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) 25.43 7. Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html) 24.75 8. Tracy McGrady (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcgratr01.html) 24.66 9. Dwyane Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html) 24.56 10. Charles Barkley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barklch01.html)* 24.18 11. Dwight Howard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01.html) 23.65 12. Dolph Schayes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/schaydo01.html)* 23.29 13. Jerry West (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westje01.html)* 23.06 14. David Robinson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinda01.html)* 23.02 15. Amare Stoudemire (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01.html) 23.01 16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01.html)* 23.01 17. Magic Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma02.html)* 22.95 18. Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html)* 22.77 19. Bob Pettit (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pettibo01.html)* 22.59 20. Kobe Bryant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html) 22.28 21. Baron Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisba01.html) 22.20 22. Elgin Baylor (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bayloel01.html)* 21.83 23. Kevin Garnett (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garneke01.html) 21.67 24. Larry Bird (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/birdla01.html)* 21.41

I hadn't seen that in a while. Tim is a badass.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lol at "coaches' opinion"

Mad that Kobe is 20th.
poster on internet opinion > nba coaches opinion

yeah sure, only on the internet, but real life is a different story

[midnightpulp]

why would I be mad? :lol
5 championships

If you weren't mad and didn't feel the need to defend Kobe, you wouldn't be in this thread posting those lists in attempt to debunk PER.

Mad that Kobe is 20th :lol

[Giuseppe]

lol imagine how they felt :lol

As much as we needed it, they needed it more. & they didn't get it.

Just absolutely killer.

[Deuce Bigalow]

If you weren't mad and didn't feel the need to defend Kobe, you wouldn't be in this thread posting those lists in attempt to debunk PER.

Mad that Kobe is 20th :lol
are u srs?
im mad because kobe is 20th on a formula made up by some guy?
yeah im raging right now. so mad!

[midnightpulp]

poster on internet opinion > nba coaches opinion

yeah sure, only on the internet, but real life is a different story

"Michael Jordan would average 60 in today's game."

- Larry Brown

Any "internet opinion" that would claim Jordan would average nowhere near that would be superior to Larry Brown's in this case. So yes, it's possible for "internet opinion" to be > coach's opinion.

[DJ Mbenga]

this...these threads are ridiculous. I wish the "All Kobe all the Time" thread was still there..then we wouldn't have to get flooded with Kobe shit all the time.

you are basically asking for kori to pink midnight. I think he has some immunity to that. But it would stop trolls. Tough decision

[midnightpulp]

are u srs?
im mad because kobe is 20th on a formula made up by some guy?
yeah im raging right now. so mad!

The formula is pretty consistent. If you didn't care, you wouldn't expend any effort trying to debunk it.

20th :lol

[midnightpulp]

As much as we needed it, they needed it more. & they didn't get it.

Just absolutely killer.

You're right. I was looking forward to burning your ass something fierce.

[Deuce Bigalow]

The formula is pretty consistent. If you didn't care, you wouldn't expend any effort trying to debunk it.

20th :lol
bird 24th
magic 17th
kareem 16th
wilt 18th

so accurate

[midnightpulp]

"Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.

"Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

- Phil Jackson

[midnightpulp]

"Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.

"Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

- Phil Jackson

[Giuseppe]

You're right. I was looking forward to burning your ass something fierce.

Now you're acting like somebody. It ain't snatchin' a pebble out from twixt my asscheeks, or, carrying Katie's scalding soup pot out to the yard, but, it's an improvement.

[midnightpulp]

bird 24th
magic 17th
kareem 16th
wilt 18th

so accurate

Players who've had long careers, their lower numbers toward the end bringing down the overall average. You understand the concept of aging, don't you?

20th :lol

[Giuseppe]

"Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.

"Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

- Phil Jackson

Was this before OR after he came back beggin' for his job?

tee, hee.

[midnightpulp]

Was this before OR after he came back beggin' for his job?

tee, hee.

Jeannie Buss toe tapped him into taking that job. Had nothing to do with that boy.

[Jodelo]

Giuseppe uses the word "job", paradox!

[Landon Donofag]

Obsessed.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Players who've had long careers, their lower numbers toward the end bringing down the overall average. You understand the concept of aging, don't you?

20th :lol
except they all had their longest playoff runs during their prime

This mad hater who posts on Kobe 24/7 :lol
When you have dedicated haters like this, you know you're doing something right

[HarlemHeat37]

Again, career PER is improper usage of the statistic..

It's a flawed method of interpreting PER..

[midnightpulp]

except they all had their longest playoff runs during their prime

This mad hater who posts on Kobe 24/7 :lol
When you have dedicated haters like this, you know you're doing something right

Are you fuckin' retarded? I'm not referring to a single playoff run. I'm talking about the overall career average, which would be brought down by said player's last few years when they posted much lower numbers (see Bird's last 3 years or Kareem's or Hakeem's).

Do me a favor and post Kareem's PER playoff average before 1983 (when he was still considered the "man.")

[JamStone]

If you do consider a player's later seasons in his career, should you also not consider Kobe's first 3 seasons (even arguably his 4th season) in the league when he wasn't a starter and/or a primary option on the team? Kobe's first 2-3 seasons in the league are equivalent to a declining player at the end of his career because Kobe wasn't given the minutes and touches an elite player would get in those first few years.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Are you fuckin' retarded? I'm not referring to a single playoff run. I'm talking about the overall career average, which would be brought down by said player's last few years when they posted much lower numbers (see Bird's last 3 years or Kareem's or Hakeem's).

Do me a favor and post Kareem's PER playoff average before 1983 (when he was still considered the "man.")
Kobe vs Larry in their prime

best 5 Playoff PER years

Kobe
26.8
25.0
25.0
24.7
24.1

Bird
26.3
23.9
21.8
20.9
20.7

according to PER, Kobe > Bird

[DPG21920]

Harlem is correct here.

[midnightpulp]

Again, career PER is improper usage of the statistic..

It's a flawed method of interpreting PER..

How so when the league average is set at 15 across all eras? One of the novel things about PER is that it lets us compare players across eras who played at different paces. I know the impression a lot of posters have of me is that I'm a fanboy of the stat, but I find it utterly useless comparing per game stats when a player's statistical output (or lackthereof) is often very dependent on the system they play under.

Currently it's the only catchall stat that adjusts for pace.

[midnightpulp]

Kobe vs Larry in their prime

best 5 Playoff PER years

Kobe
26.8
25.0
25.0
24.7
24.1

Bird
26.3
23.9
21.8
20.9
20.7

according to PER, Kobe > Bird

Problem?

Some, even many, would take Kobe over Bird. So what does this prove?

[Ashy Larry]

Brutal win ..... up big and gave it away. Great finish by Bryant. Jam Stone is right on point. People run up in here with their assholes leaking. Fix that before someone slips and fall on the wet spots .........

Lakers still need to fix that offense because this only giving up 90 or 84 points to win by 2 or lose by 6 is bullshit.

[midnightpulp]

If you do consider a player's later seasons in his career, should you also not consider Kobe's first 3 seasons (even arguably his 4th season) in the league when he wasn't a starter and/or a primary option on the team? Kobe's first 2-3 seasons in the league are equivalent to a declining player at the end of his career because Kobe wasn't given the minutes and touches an elite player would get in those first few years.

We can eliminate his first 2 seasons. By his 3rd, though, he was clearly the Lakers second best player. Averaged 20, 7, 5 in the '99 playoffs. So to throw that season out because he "wasn't a starter," would be intellectually dishonest.

[Deuce Bigalow]

what is your top 10 alltime midnight...lmao this gonna be good

[midnightpulp]

what is your top 10 alltime midnight...lmao this gonna be good

Kobe's not in it.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe's not in it.
:lol
knew it

[midnightpulp]

:lol
knew it

Why is that humorous?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why is that humorous?
You live in a cave?
Kobe's made top 10 a while ago

[Deuce Bigalow]

post your top 10, you're a basketball genius

[Ashy Larry]

I only see maybe two point guards in the top ten: Johnson and Robertson
Two shooting guards: Jordan and Bryant
One small forward: Bird
One Power Forward: Duncan
The rest centers: Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar, O'Neal and Olajuwon

Thats more or less the top ten with one player being left out...........

[Leetonidas]

post your top 10, you're a basketball genius


Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Russel
Wilt
Shaq
Duncan
Olajuwon
Robertson

[Deuce Bigalow]

Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Russel
Wilt
Shaq
Duncan
Olajuwon
Robertson
Why is Robertson over Kobe?

[DPG21920]

Kobe is a fringe top 10 player IMO. That's not Kobe hate, but he's not locked in like a Duncan/Jordan/Shaq/Magic...I don't have him in there, but I wouldn't argue too much if someone had him at 9 or 10.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is a fringe top 10 player IMO. That's not Kobe hate, but he's not locked in like a Duncan/Jordan/Shaq/Magic...I don't have him in there, but I wouldn't argue too much if someone had him at 9 or 10.
How is Duncan locked in, but Kobe isn't :lol

[Leetonidas]

Why is Robertson over Kobe?

walking triple double tbh

[DMC]

How is Duncan locked in, but Kobe isn't :lol
Duncan didn't rape tbh

[midnightpulp]

You live in a cave?
Kobe's made top 10 a while ago

I'll be serious with you for a moment and say that I personally believe top ten lists are essentially a useless exercise. It's impossible to quantify one player being better than another when there's an infinite number of factors that can affect how a player's "greatness" is perceived. Ralph Sampson doesn't get injured and Hakeem Olajuwon is possibly the GOAT. Seattle doesn't trade away Scottie Pippen to the Bulls, Jordan could very well be ringless.

That said, I would say Jordan and Kareem are the two greatest players of all-time. Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Russell, and Wilt round out the top ten in no particular order, as I believe building around any of these players with the right pieces gives you a good chance at the title, but I would lean toward the bigs (Shaq, Duncan, Dream, Wilt, and to an extent, Russell) since it's much easier to build around big men than it is guards.

[DPG21920]

How is Duncan locked in, but Kobe isn't :lol

Duncan is the best PF of all time and better than Kobe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Oscar
1 ring
0 finals mvps
1 mvp
10 allnba team (8 1st)
12 allstar teams

Kobe
5 rings
2 finals mvps
1 mvp
13 allnba teams (9 1st) - gonna be 14 teams, 10 1st teams
14 allstar teams

[Ashy Larry]

Why is Robertson over Kobe?


Could be because of the triple double season and coming close in a couple more years. I couldn't put him over Bryant because Bean won two as the number one option. Big O won one as Robin with Cap for the Bucks. But he was a bad man.

Mine would go:

Jordan or Jabbar
Jordan or Jabbar
Johnson
Russell
Chamberlain
O'Neal
Duncan
Bryant
Bird
Olajuwon
Robertson

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan is the best PF of all time and better than Kobe.
how is he better?
and look at the competition for their position
kobe has MJ, Duncan had who? lol

and if you use PER, then Kobe is better than Larry Bird and equal to Magic
If you use winshares then Drexler was the man in '95, Kobe was the man in '01, Manu was the man in '05
point is, don't use formulas no one cares about

[DPG21920]

What are you talking about, what formulas? Most everyone, even Laker fans, have Kobe behind Duncan and Duncan in the top 10 without argument. That's not a formula, it's common knowledge.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Good game by the Raptors.

A little luck (and less ref help for the other team) and they could have won it.

[Giuseppe]

(and less ref help for the other team)

Only pussies & assholes lodge the officiating card.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Only pussies & assholes lodge the officiating card.

Don't forget about the Stern card.

Lakers fans love that card.

[midnightpulp]

how is he better?
and look at the competition for their position
kobe has MJ, Duncan had who? lol

and if you use PER, then Kobe is better than Larry Bird and equal to Magic
If you use winshares then Drexler was the man in '95, Kobe was the man in '01, Manu was the man in '05
point is, don't use formulas no one cares about

And who does Kobe have after MJ?

A 6' 2" Jerry West, who would probably be more of a Steve Nash kind of player in today's game? Wade, whose career is nowhere near close to being over. Drexler and George Gervin played as much or more small forward as they did SG. The SG guard position is very thin historically while the PF position has been stacked. Malone, Barkley, McHale, Pettit, Moses Malone, and modern greats at the position like Dirk and Garnett.

And with regard to your last comment, you realize there's always outliers in any statistical measurement, don't you? Citing those doesn't undermine the legitimacy of the stat whatsoever. I know Kobe fan worships per game stats, so if we went by those, Allen Iverson and Jerry West would be considered better scores than Kobe. And now since Kobe is climbing up the all-time overall points leaderboard, they've put placed that stat on their altar, so naturally, John Stockton and Mark Jackson should be considered better playmakers than Magic.

[midnightpulp]

What are you talking about, what formulas? Most everyone, even Laker fans, have Kobe behind Duncan and Duncan in the top 10 without argument. That's not a formula, it's common knowledge.

Are you sure about that? :lol

Lakersgrounds probably has that boy second of all-time right now.

[Deuce Bigalow]

What are you talking about, what formulas? Most everyone, even Laker fans, have Kobe behind Duncan and Duncan in the top 10 without argument. That's not a formula, it's common knowledge.
They're lakers fans that don't even like Kobe, there is so many of them
some even think he's the GOAT, does that make it true? :lol

[DPG21920]

Ok, what about non-Laker fans that share that consensus?

[redzero]

Was this before OR after he came back beggin' for his job?

tee, hee.

It was before you begged the EC to take it easy on Kool.

[Giuseppe]

It was before you begged the EC to take it easy on Kool.

Please.

[Obstructed_View]

Kobe took nine shots in seven minutes in the 4th quarter. He's too good a shooter not to hit one or two, even against three and four defenders. It's funny that if he hits one of those nine, ESPN will show it, win or lose.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe took nine shots in seven minutes in the 4th quarter. He's too good a shooter not to hit one or two, even against three and four defenders. It's funny that if he hits one of those nine, ESPN will show it, win or lose.

Wrecked yer Sunday, eh?

tee, hee.

[redzero]

Almost as bad as when I wrecked your weekend by exposing your lying ass.

:lol exposed
:lol afraid to respond

[Giuseppe]

Almost as bad as when I wrecked your weekend by exposing your lying ass.

:lol exposed
:lol afraid to respond

Please.

[redzero]

:lol too afraid

[Giuseppe]

inb4 please

:rolleyes

[DPG21920]

Red, you know what Giuseppe hates more than anything? When people ignore him and don't get into the back and forth with him. It ruins everything.

[Giuseppe]

Red, you know what Giuseppe hates more than anything? When people ignore him and don't get into the back and forth with him. It ruins everything.

lmcontrollinao!!!

[midnightpulp]

Wrecked yer Sunday, eh?

tee, hee.

Yep. The way I feel right now is how you've been feeling the past two weeks watching the Spurs string together 7.

But then I remember that slope turning Kobe inside-out and I start to feel better.

[Giuseppe]

But then I remember that slope turning Kobe inside-out and I start to feel better.

:rolleyes

See, you started to act like somebody---then gave 75% back to me with the above capitulation.

[midnightpulp]

:rolleyes

See, you started to act like somebody---then gave 75% back to me with the above capitulation.

You cite the past all the time. Why can't I?

[redzero]

I would ignore him, but getting him to tap out by posting "please" over and over again is so gratifying.

The best part is that everything I posted was true. He doesn't actually have any response, but he still wants pretend like he's in control.

:lol so scared
:lol getting called a liar and not even trying to defend yourself

[Giuseppe]

I would ignore him, but

lmvictoriousao!!!

[Obstructed_View]

Wrecked yer Sunday, eh?

tee, hee.

If Kobe taking too many shots ruined my weekend, I'd have had a lot of them, so no.

[redzero]

:lol exposed for lying
:lol trying to claim victory

:rollin desperately trying to gain the upper hand so you try to cling to anything

[midnightpulp]

:rolleyes

See, you started to act like somebody---then gave 75% back to me with the above capitulation.

You cite the past all the time. Why can't I?

[Giuseppe]

You cite the past all the time. Why can't I?

Did I try to find a booger under the bed when the Knicks beat me and everything else went to Hell in a handbasket? No. I sat in my own shit & suffered.

You tried to mimic me, but, couldn't hold fast in the ranks. You got up.

That's pussy.

[redzero]

And you begged the EC not to punish Kool, and got nothing to show for it except embarrassment.


Never said such.


Deads, please show a strong amount of tolerance.


What were you trying to do in this post then?


Please.


:lol owned for the millionth time by me
:lol still afraid to respond
:lol bitching about other posters not responding to your questions
:lol hypocrite

[midnightpulp]

Did I try to find a booger under the bed when the Knicks beat me and everything else went to Hell in a handbasket? No. I sat in my own shit & suffered.

You tried to mimic me, but, couldn't hold fast in the ranks. You got up.

That's pussy.

You comfort yourself after you lose with 5>4 or 8 all the time.

[redzero]

:lol Giuseppe being a hypocrite
:lol what a surprise

I lost count on the things he complains about others doing even though he does them himself

[midnightpulp]

:lol Giuseppe being a hypocrite
:lol what a surprise

I lost count on the things he complains about others doing even though he does them himself

The Hypocrisy

[Giuseppe]

You comfort yourself after you lose with 5>4 or 8 all the time.

Not the same. Just because you denigrate Kobe today in other threads is not what I am holding against you. You're entitled. It's apples & oranges.

I suffer my losses in public. I don't ameliorate them. Did I come back and cite the Suns blowing out the Kings? No. You asked me about it when it was going on and I claimed my rightful turf. When it came to fruition it would have been small, even puny of me to bring it up.

I followed protocol. You started to, but, then for some gd reason you gave it all back.

Damn you.

[Giuseppe]

:lol Giuseppe being a hypocrite
:lol what a surprise

I lost count on the things he complains about others doing even though he does them himself

Please.

[midnightpulp]

Not the same. Just because you denigrate Kobe today in other threads is not what I am holding against you. You're entitled. It's apples & oranges.

I suffer my losses in public. I don't ameliorate them. Did I come back and cite the Suns blowing out the Kings? No. You asked me about it when it was going on and I claimed my rightful turf. When it came to fruition it would have been small, even puny of me to bring it up.

I followed protocol. You started to, but, then for some gd reason you gave it all back.

Damn you.

The reason was the slope. He's goddamn inspiring.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/35l4s2h.jpg

[redzero]

:lol trying to act like he has rules
:lol dropping rules as soon as it becomes convenient
:lol lying about Kori and Kool's relationship
:lol trying to play it off as a joke when exposed
:lol lying about begging the EC to go easy on Kool
:lol silent when exposed

[Giuseppe]

The reason was the slope. He's goddamn inspiring.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/35l4s2h.jpg

Nonetheless you stooped. You couldn't just take the catastrophic loss today and suffer it. No, you had to pussy out and apply salve to the open wound.

You were this || close to actling like somebody.

[midnightpulp]

Nonetheless you stooped. You couldn't just take the catastrophic loss today and suffer it. No, you had to pussy out and apply salve to the open wound.

You were this || close to actling like somebody.

Just like you do with 5>4 and 8. Now I have:::

The Slope

[redzero]

:lol telling other people to man up
:lol can't admit that he is wrong so he tries dodging posts
:lol biggest hypocrite in SpursTalk history

[lefty]

Needing the refs to beat the Bargnani-less Raptors :lmao

[mystargtr34]

The reason was the slope. He's goddamn inspiring.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/35l4s2h.jpg

:rollin :rollin

[lefty]

Jamstone = closet Laker fan :lol

[redzero]

Jamstone has always been open about that.

[DPG21920]

Cull will openly admit it though; if you ignore him he's done. He's just counting on the fact you won't.

[Giuseppe]

Cull will openly admit it though; if you ignore him he's done. He's just counting on the fact you won't.

I win either way. If you ignore me I'll steamroll ya unapposed. If you confront me, I'll load up and put my rf acumen to use.

[Giuseppe]

:lol telling other people to man up
:lol can't admit that he is wrong so he tries dodging posts
:lol biggest hypocrite in SpursTalk history

Please.

[redzero]

I'm the one putting Culburn in the ground. As long as he is too afraid to man up, and respond to my accusations, he will always be a coward and a loser.

:lol admitting that you have no response
:lol thinking that being too afraid to answer questions means that you somehow win

[Giuseppe]

I'm the one putting Culburn in the ground. As long as he is too afraid to man up, and respond to my accusations, he will always be a coward and a loser.

:lol admitting that you have no response
:lol thinking that being too afraid to answer questions means that you somehow win

Please.

[redzero]

I challenge you to admit that you were wrong. I'm calling you out. Do you accept?

[Giuseppe]

I challenge you to admit that you were wrong. I'm calling you out. Do you accept?

Please.

[redzero]

Let the record show that on 8:19pm CST, Dale A. Robinson backed down from a direct challenge issued by redzero.

He shall forever be known as a coward and a loser on SpursTalk.com.

[Giuseppe]

Let the record show that on 8:19pm CST, Dale A. Robinson backed down from a direct challenge issued by redzero.

He shall forever be known as a coward and a loser on SpursTalk.com.

Please.

[lefty]

Jamstone has always been open about that.

:lol

[lefty]

Please.

You're welcome