2001 Kobe Bryant vs. 2006 Dwyane Wade..

[HarlemHeat37]

Who do you take, for just one season?..

[BanditHiro]

2006 Dwayne Wade...

He carried Shaq

while Shaq carried 2001 Kobe.

[Ace]

Wade tbh...

[ezau]

Wade and it's not even close.

[mystargtr34]

Cant go past Wade for being the main dog on a championship team.. but what Kobe did to the Spurs that year in the sweep was quite Jordanesque tbh.

Game 1: 45-10-3 on 19-35 FG
Game 2: 28-7-6 on 11-24 FG
Game 3: 36-9-8 on 14-27 FG
Game 4: 24-2-11 on 10-19 FG

[Ashy Larry]

2006 Dwayne Wade...

He carried Shaq

while Shaq carried 2001 Kobe.


Ask the Spurs if Shaquille carried Kobe in 2001 :lol

[Ashy Larry]

Cant go past Wade for being the main dog on a championship team.. but what Kobe did to the Spurs that year in the sweep was quite Jordanesque tbh.

Game 1: 45-10-3 on 19-35 FG
Game 2: 28-7-6 on 11-24 FG
Game 3: 36-9-8 on 14-27 FG
Game 4: 24-2-11 on 10-19 FG


great series ..... dude was crazy that series .... that was the real NBA Finals because the Western Conference was a beast and whomever was winning that series was gonna curbstomp the Sixers.

[lefty]

Both overrated

[NewcastleKEG]

Neither

(Unless Shaq comes too)

[Pelicans78]

Kobe

[Killakobe81]

2006 Dwayne Wade...

He carried Shaq

while Shaq carried 2001 Kobe.

Even I would take Wade. that season Wade was amazing ... I would take Kobe pretty much every other year since though ...

[JamStone]

Actually a great comparison. Pretty much a toss-up as that might have been the best all-around Kobe had played in his career, especially in the playoffs. Scoring at a high clip despite having to share with Shaq. Still young and super athletic and still quite the demon defensively. Was rebounding at a high rate. And was sharing the ball a lot. And while he wanted to get his share of the limelight, I don't think he played quite as desperately to be "the guy" as he did in 2002 and certainly in 2004. That Spurs series simply cannot be denied.

And Wade, well he was just off the chains for that 2006 playoff run too. I remember watching the series against the Pistons and he was doing 360 lay-ups flipping the ball over his head without even looking at the rim and making them. He wouldn't miss for the first couple games of that series. I think there's a small taint to his playoff performance with the 40+ free throws in the last two Finals games, but just a small taint. He was still unbelievable.

I'm a little more biased towards Kobe since I'm a Kobe fan, and I do think that was about as good Kobe was in his career in terms of overall game. In the playoffs, he didn't dominate the Finals like Wade did. But in a lot of ways, the WCF series against the Spurs was essentially the "Finals" and Kobe destroyed in that series.

I'll go Kobe, but it's really a toss-up.

[Killakobe81]

Actually a great comparison. Pretty much a toss-up as that might have been the best all-around Kobe had played in his career, especially in the playoffs. Scoring at a high clip despite having to share with Shaq. Still young and super athletic and still quite the demon defensively. Was rebounding at a high rate. And was sharing the ball a lot. And while he wanted to get his share of the limelight, I don't think he played quite as desperately to be "the guy" as he did in 2002 and certainly in 2004. That Spurs series simply cannot be denied.

And Wade, well he was just off the chains for that 2006 playoff run too. I remember watching the series against the Pistons and he was doing 360 lay-ups flipping the ball over his head without even looking at the rim and making them. He wouldn't miss for the first couple games of that series. I think there's a small taint to his playoff performance with the 40+ free throws in the last two Finals games, but just a small taint. He was still unbelievable.

I'm a little more biased towards Kobe since I'm a Kobe fan, and I do think that was about as good Kobe was in his career in terms of overall game. In the playoffs, he didn't dominate the Finals like Wade did. But in a lot of ways, the WCF series against the Spurs was essentially the "Finals" and Kobe destroyed in that series.I'll go Kobe, but it's really a toss-up.

Great point. and spurs defense was much better than Mavs ...

So I may have to reconsider ...

[mavs>spurs]

wade kills that fraud

[ChrisRichards]

Kobe had an amazing year in 2001 but Wade's 2006 post season was one for the ages. Wade was just truly spectacular and I'm not even talking about against the Mavs.

No one thought the Heat would dismantle the Pistons but Wade really torched one of the best defensive teams that year. I think he averaged around 29.5 ppg while shooting 59% from the field!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2006/series?series=miadet#


No one thought he could top that from what I recall but his Finals performance was even better. His performance in 2006 was ranked as the best finals performance in NBA history by ESPN.

34.7 PPG 7.8 RPG 3.8 APG 2.7 SPG
47% FG 33.8 PER


"Overall, Wade's 33.8 PER is easily the best of any Finals performer since the merger. While it seems strange to have somebody besides Michael Jordan in the top spot, the truth is Jordan never dominated a Finals to this extent. At the time, many called Wade's performance Jordanesque. It turns out they might have been selling him short"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

Wade was a beast that year.

[NewcastleKEG]

Actually a great comparison. Pretty much a toss-up as that might have been the best all-around Kobe had played in his career, especially in the playoffs. Scoring at a high clip despite having to share with Shaq. Still young and super athletic and still quite the demon defensively. Was rebounding at a high rate. And was sharing the ball a lot. And while he wanted to get his share of the limelight, I don't think he played quite as desperately to be "the guy" as he did in 2002 and certainly in 2004. That Spurs series simply cannot be denied.

And Wade, well he was just off the chains for that 2006 playoff run too. I remember watching the series against the Pistons and he was doing 360 lay-ups flipping the ball over his head without even looking at the rim and making them. He wouldn't miss for the first couple games of that series. I think there's a small taint to his playoff performance with the 40+ free throws in the last two Finals games, but just a small taint. He was still unbelievable.

I'm a little more biased towards Kobe since I'm a Kobe fan, and I do think that was about as good Kobe was in his career in terms of overall game. In the playoffs, he didn't dominate the Finals like Wade did. But in a lot of ways, the WCF series against the Spurs was essentially the "Finals" and Kobe destroyed in that series.

I'll go Kobe, but it's really a toss-up.
So Shaq > Kobe & Wade

[Koolaid_Man]

Who do you take, for just one season?..

Kobe over Dwhistler all day ere day :lol

some additional facts ..:lol

Kobe - 16 seasons - 28,689 points at age 33
Wade - 8 seasons - 14,329 points at age 30

how in the fuck at 30 will Wade catch Kobe....:lol

let's carry on:

Rings without Shaq :lol

Kobe 2
Wade 0

Wade injury prone doesn't play through injuries like Kobe does.

watch how Kobe shuts these niggras down:

QBu28UwDzps

[ChrisRichards]

A bit OT, but I never thought Kobe had a great NBA Finals performance. Came to find out his 2009 NBA Finals was excellent.

FINALS STATS
Points per game: 32.4
Boards per game: 5.6
Assists per game: 7.4
PER: 28.3


Certainly better than MJ's 96, Dirks 2011 and any of Birds Finals appearance.


Also worth noting is his 2010 series against Boston would've ranked Top 12 if he didn't had that 6/24 game in Game 7. Had Kobe continued his outstanding play, Kobe wouldve hit that 28 PER again in the Finals for the second time.

[JamStone]

Kobe had an amazing year in 2001 but Wade's 2006 post season was one for the ages. Wade was just truly spectacular and I'm not even talking about against the Mavs.

No one thought the Heat would dismantle the Pistons but Wade really torched one of the best defensive teams that year. I think he averaged around 29.5 ppg while shooting 59% from the field!

Wade really crushed the Pistons the first couple games in that series. But to be fair, as great as Wade was, the difference were a couple of surprising performances from Antoine Walker and Jason Williams going bananas in the series clinching game. Wade was actually just so-so in that clinching game, although he got a bunch of assists because Jason Williams wouldn't miss.

[NewcastleKEG]

A bit OT, but I never thought Kobe had a great NBA Finals performance. Came to find out his 2009 NBA Finals was excellent.

FINALS STATS
Points per game: 32.4
Boards per game: 5.6
Assists per game: 7.4
PER: 28.3


Certainly better than MJ's 96, Dirks 2011 and any of Birds Finals appearance.
That Magic team was crap. Turk as the 2nd best player?

[mavs>spurs]

i have wade above kobe in my all time list FWIW

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe - 29.4 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 46.9 FG%
Wade - 28.4 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.7 APG, 49.7 FG%

Wade raped the Mavs for 35/8/4 on 47%
Kobe raped the Spurs for 33/7/7 on 51%

toss me up a coin, I don't really know

[Koolaid_Man]

2006 Dwayne Wade...

He carried Shaq

while Shaq carried 2001 Kobe.

liKW_fyV-UQ

[Koolaid_Man]

-sTlxfIEx2I

[Koolaid_Man]

Wade who?

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[JamStone]

Kobe - 29.4 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 46.9 FG%
Wade - 28.4 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.7 APG, 49.7 FG%

Wade raped the Mavs for 35/8/4 on 47%
Kobe raped the Spurs for 33/7/7 on 51%

toss me up a coin, I don't really know

Yup. It's a great comparison tbh. Really difficult to decide.

[Koolaid_Man]

Lebron who:

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[Deuce Bigalow]

A bit OT, but I never thought Kobe had a great NBA Finals performance. Came to find out his 2009 NBA Finals was excellent.

FINALS STATS
Points per game: 32.4
Boards per game: 5.6
Assists per game: 7.4
PER: 28.3


Certainly better than MJ's 96, Dirks 2011 and any of Birds Finals appearance.


Also worth noting is his 2010 series against Boston would've ranked Top 12 if he didn't had that 6/24 game in Game 7. Had Kobe continued his outstanding play, Kobe wouldve hit that 28 PER again in the Finals for the second time.
It was also higher than Magic's best in '87 (28.2 PER)

Highest PER Finals performances

1. Dwyane Wade Mia 2006 34.7 7.8 3.8 46.8 33.8
2. Tim Duncan SA 2003 24.2 17.0 5.3 49.5 32.0
3. Michael Jordan Chi 1991 31.2 6.6 11.4 55.8 31.5
4. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2002 36.3 12.3 3.8 59.5 31.4
5. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2000 38.0 16.7 2.3 61.1 31.1
6. Michael Jordan Chi 1998 33.5 4.0 2.3 42.7 30.8
7. Tim Duncan SA 1999 27.4 14.0 2.4 53.7 30.7
8. Dwyane Wade Mia 2011 26.5 7.0 5.2 54.6 30.2
9. Michael Jordan Chi 1997 32.3 7.0 6.0 45.6 29.5
10. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2001 33.0 15.8 4.8 57.3 29.4
11. Michael Jordan, Chicago, 1992 29.2
12. KOBE BRYANT, LOS ANGELES, 2009 28.3
13. Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers, 1987 28.2
14. MICHAEL JORDAN, CHICAGO, 1993 27.6
15. MAGIC JOHNSON, LOS ANGELES, 1988 27.5

[ChrisRichards]

Wade really crushed the Pistons the first couple games in that series. But to be fair, as great as Wade was, the difference were a couple of surprising performances from Antoine Walker and Jason Williams going bananas in the series clinching game. Wade was actually just so-so in that clinching game, although he got a bunch of assists because Jason Williams wouldn't miss.

True.

That Magic team was crap. Turk as the 2nd best player?

Be that as it may, we're not going to penalize Kobe for having a subpar competition. Jordan's historic 93 Finals performance was against a bunch of dumplings guarding him from the perimeter. Shaq faced Todd McCullough, Rik Smits and an undersized Kenyon Martin, and both Davis (Dale and Antonio).

[mavs>spurs]

It was also higher than Magic's best in '87 (28.2 PER)

Highest PER Finals performances

1. Dwyane Wade Mia 2006 34.7 7.8 3.8 46.8 33.8
2. Tim Duncan SA 2003 24.2 17.0 5.3 49.5 32.0
3. Michael Jordan Chi 1991 31.2 6.6 11.4 55.8 31.5
4. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2002 36.3 12.3 3.8 59.5 31.4
5. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2000 38.0 16.7 2.3 61.1 31.1
6. Michael Jordan Chi 1998 33.5 4.0 2.3 42.7 30.8
7. Tim Duncan SA 1999 27.4 14.0 2.4 53.7 30.7
8. Dwyane Wade Mia 2011 26.5 7.0 5.2 54.6 30.2
9. Michael Jordan Chi 1997 32.3 7.0 6.0 45.6 29.5
10. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2001 33.0 15.8 4.8 57.3 29.4
11. Michael Jordan, Chicago, 1992 29.2
12. KOBE BRYANT, LOS ANGELES, 2009 28.3
13. Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers, 1987 28.2
14. MICHAEL JORDAN, CHICAGO, 1993 27.6
15. MAGIC JOHNSON, LOS ANGELES, 1988 27.5

posting a list with dwyane wade #1 all time isn't really helping your argument imho

[Deuce Bigalow]

That Magic team was crap. Turk as the 2nd best player?
'09 Magic were the highest rated defensive team that year, led by DPOY Dwight Howard in the middle

[Deuce Bigalow]

posting a list with dwyane wade #1 all time isn't really helping your argument imho
argument for what?

[BanditHiro]

liKW_fyV-UQ

this guy's opinion is as credible as your pink ass opinion.

[Koolaid_Man]

whistle who?

Gg_O3lSRttQ

[Killakobe81]

Original question was for one season, not Finals only. But I chose Wade ...

[Koolaid_Man]

"Kobe is the only one that deserves to be compared to me." - MJ

[Deuce Bigalow]

"Kobe is the only one that deserves to be compared to me." - MJ

K dude we get it

[ChrisRichards]

I'm not even defending Kobe here though he has a horrible shot selection for the most part I think its been overstated and exaggerated in the playoffs. Kobe sans Shaq in the Finals has impressed me, he always seems to adjust farely well to the opposition. He still has his fair amount of bad shots but objectively speaking he's been really good in taking shots with the exception of his 6/24 stinker performance. His 2010 performance on that one game against the Celtics was one of the best I've seen since Jordan in 1993. Not sure what game was that but I remember watching in awe when Kobe was just drilling jumpers over anyone face, I think the Lakers lost though lol but still that was Kobe the assassin at his best. You'd have to really not like basketball to not appreciate that game. His footwork and jumper was impeccable in that game, even Wade couldn't touch that IMHO.

[mavs>spurs]

"Kobe is the only one that deserves to be compared to me." - MJ


"Kool is the only one who deserves to be compared to me"

-supahead

[Koolaid_Man]

this guy's opinion is as credible as your pink ass opinion.

Straight from the horse's own fucking grill::lol


“In my mind, I have what I feel is a next level. And I have a blueprint in front of me. I have the Michael Jordans of the world. I have the Kobe Bryants of the world. I have these guys that are showing what’s the next level. – Dwyane Wade [AP]


:lmao

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'm not even defending Kobe here though he has a horrible shot selection for the most part I think its been overstated and exaggerated in the playoffs. Kobe sans Shaq in the Finals has impressed me, he always seems to adjust farely well to the opposition. He still has his fair amount of bad shots but objectively speaking he's been really good in taking shots with the exception of his 6/24 stinker performance. His 2010 performance was one of the best I've seen since Wade in 2006. Not sure what game was that but I remember watching in awe when Kobe was just drilling jumpers over anyone face, I think the Lakers lost though lol but still that was Kobe the assassin at his best. You'd have to really not like basketball to not appreciate that game. His footwork and jumper was impeccable in that game.
you're talking about game 5

17 points in 5-6 min in 3rd quarter
He went 7-7, 3-3 from 3in that span

As awesome as the was the Lakers were still losing by double digits it was frustrating

[mavs>spurs]

damn kool wade is so humble and classy to have said that..great fucking player :cry

[Koolaid_Man]

"Kool is the only one who deserves to be compared to me"

-supahead

right off the BBQ pit :lol

“In my mind, I have what I feel is a next level. And I have a blueprint in front of me. I have the Michael Jordans of the world. I have the Kobe Bryants of the world. I have these guys that are showing what’s the next level. – Dwyane Wade [AP]

[NewcastleKEG]

'09 Magic were the highest rated defensive team that year, led by DPOY Dwight Howard in the middle
a REALLY down year in the NBA especially once KG went down

- Cavs won 66 & the Nuggets were the 2nd best team in the West

:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

I want to Know Kobe's PER in the 2002 Finals

26.8 ppg 5.8 rpg 5.3 apg 1.5 spg 0.8 bpg .514 FG%

[Deuce Bigalow]

a REALLY down year in the NBA especially once KG went down

- Cavs won 66 & the Nuggets were the 2nd best team in the West

:lol
want me to get started on the 90s?

after 1990
Lakers were old, kareem retired
Celtics were old, Bird was old and injured
Pistons were straing to get old, their runs were ending

All the great teams got old, then the Bulls won their rings

[ChrisRichards]

you're talking about game 5

17 points in 5-6 min in 3rd quarter
He went 7-7, 3-3 from 3in that span

As awesome as the was the Lakers were still losing by double digits it was frustrating
Yeah, that must be it. Dude couldn't miss even if he tried.

[Koolaid_Man]

Hey Tyson you gonna love this one baby:

This from a cat who played with all 3...Shaq ranks them in this order based on his comments...

Kobe
Lebron
Wade

and what's funny is he didn't even really mention Wade's name when Kobe was brought up...lol



“People ask me all the time: If you had to choose between DWade and LeBron, which would you take? Which one would you make the CEO? It’s really a tough question. LeBron is a better decision maker. DWade will hit more last-second shots. Lots of superstars in their position want and need to take the last shot. LeBron is more of an ‘opportunity’ CEO. He’s not afraid to take the last shot, but he won’t hesitate to pass it to an open Mike Miller either.

So where do these two guys measure up against Kobe? Kobe is a scientific dawg. He works out every day, practices every day. Most of the other stars are just dawgs, not scientific dawgs. LeBron could be a scientific dawg like Kobe, but he’s got a lot going on like I did, so that’s preventing him from being one.”

lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Anyways on Wade's 06 Finals, that was just great and so clutch

game 3, down 0-2 in series, down 13 in 4th quarter - then he leads them to a win,and 3 other wins

As great as Kobe's career has been, he never had a final performance like that, not many have

[NewcastleKEG]

want me to get started on the 90s?

after 1990
Lakers were old, kareem retired
Celtics were old, Bird was old and injured
Pistons were straing to get old, their runs were ending

All the great teams got old, then the Bulls won their rings
Wasn't that Hakeem guy around?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wasn't that Hakeem guy around?
and Barkley, and Malone,and Drexler
but neither had teams like the Lakers and C's of the 80s

but still 6 rings in 8 years, 2 3peats as the man is great

[Koolaid_Man]

Anyways on Wade's 06 Finals, that was just great and so clutch

game 3, down 0-2 in series, down 13 in 4th quarter - then he leads them to a win,and 3 other wins

As great as Kobe's career has been, he never had a final performance like that, not many have


Foul on Blue....Wade 2 more shots please...

lgUggUUNs8E

[Koolaid_Man]

Yeah, that must be it. Dude couldn't miss even if he tried.

2006 NBA Finals ref:

5k6Z2ST0GAo

[Ace]

Kobe over Dwhistler all day ere day :lol

some additional facts ..:lol

Kobe - 16 seasons - 28,689 points at age 33
Wade - 8 seasons - 14,329 points at age 30

how in the fuck at 30 will Wade catch Kobe....:lol

let's carry on:

Rings without Shaq :lol

Kobe 2
Wade 0

Wade injury prone doesn't play through injuries like Kobe does.

watch how Kobe shuts these niggras down:

QBu28UwDzps
All you know is points total and YouTube :lol

[mavs>spurs]

even though the refs cheated in 2006, the whistler is still the better player all time on my list.

[Deuce Bigalow]

even though the refs cheated in 2006, the whistler is still the better player all time on my list.

You guys blew that championship away,and resort to blaming the refs like the '02 kings fans and '10 celtics fans to feel better about it :lol

[mavs>spurs]

no

[Deuce Bigalow]

no
up 2-0, in game 3 up 13 in the 4th quarter

If that isn't blowing a championship away then I dont know what is

[NewcastleKEG]

Wade = better series
Kobe = better player
Kobe = better career

[LkrFan]

Wade tbh...

You're either trolling or lying or both, tbh.

2001 Kobe would shit on Wade. He knows it and so do you. :lol

[LkrFan]

Even I would take Wade. that season Wade was amazing ... I would take Kobe pretty much every other year since though ...

Not me. That same Dallas team that choked away a 2-0 lead? IIRC, Kobe shitted on them one game that same year - outscoring the Mavs by himself 62-61. He then sat out of the 4th quarter.

In other words, Kobe would have destroyed them in the Finals too if he were on the Heat in 2006, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

Kool is so butthurt in this thread. Better have luva come over and lap up your anal leakage. It's Valentine's Day after all.

[BoricuaCJA]

HH didn't say one series. He said for one season(which I think he meant playoffs also) and 2006 Wade was incredible and Kobe was dominant in 2001, played incredible in the Western conference finals. I would take Wade though for beating a Piston's team not many thought they would beat and having one of the best finals for any player ever.

This really is a hard choice.

[endrity]

Kobe.

Unless you're taking Wade AND Bennett Salvatore.

[LkrFan]

Kobe - 29.4 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 46.9 FG%
Wade - 28.4 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.7 APG, 49.7 FG%

Wade raped the Mavs for 35/8/4 on 47%
Kobe raped the Spurs for 33/7/7 on 51%

toss me up a coin, I don't really know

I hear what you trying to say, but Kobe shitted on a superior defensive team. We know what he did in only 3 quarters of work that same year against the Mavs. :lol

In the two games the Heat played the Spurs, here is what D-Whistle did:

Game 1: 31 points. Impressive. Or was it? He shot 15-17 FTs :lol No Shaq, so he got his points via the charity stripe
Game 2: 36 points. Impressive. Or was it? He shot 15-29. It took him 29 shots to get his 36 (you know, the same shit many on ST clown Kobe about) Shaq played this one.

The difference? Spurs swept the Heat that year. You know, the same year that the Heat won the NBA title. Also the same year Kobe dropped 62 on the Mavs (Finals runner up, or last loser - however you want to call it).

So please don't overrate Wade more than he already is. Don't let me pull Kool's YouTube vids of what Kobe did to the same Spur team that swept the Heat. No need to flip a coin. Kobe's career shits on Wade's. Kobe is a more skilled player than Wade is too. Kobe's jumper is better than Wade's too. :downspin:

[LkrFan]

Kobe.

Unless you're taking Wade AND Bennett Salvatore.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[pass1st]

Problem with Kobe is that his numbers are always skewed by him being inconsistant as fuck. I would take 2001 Kobe, though, because he could just go off and tear teams a new one

Spur Fans would agree with that
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html

[pass1st]

props for duncan averaging over 4 blocks per game though

[LkrFan]

Problem with Kobe is that his numbers are always skewed by him being inconsistant as fuck. I would take 2001 Kobe, though, because he could just go off and tear teams a new one

Spur Fans would agree with that
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html

Kobe is one cocky bastard with ice in his veins. It's a blessing and a curse. There are many variables that contribute to his sometimes shitty shooting percentages. Some his fault (shooting 1 on 3 with varying success), some not his fault (giving him the ball with < 4 seconds on the clock near the 3 point line with 2 defenders draped over him). The defense is designed to make Luke Walton, or Kwame Brown, or Chris Mihm beat them. In Kobe's defense, would you pass in that situation? Exactly. I wouldn't either. :lol

[angelbelow]

Kobe.. at age 22 too. He was ridiculous all season long but really peaked in the playoffs.

[endrity]

Kobe at 22 was a better shooter than Wade is now.

[Killakobe81]

Kobe.

Unless you're taking Wade AND Bennett Salvatore.

Great point. Wade was amazing but some shaky calls were a big part of it.
You guys have convinced me ...Kobe. and I rarely reverse field, but can admit when I am wrong.

[mercos]

I'd take Kobe in a heartbeat. Their numbers are close and I like Kobe's all around game better than Wade's. Don't have the numbers off hand, but it sure seemed like Wade got a lot more free throws than Kobe did in 2001. The '01 Conference Finals were a massacre. Even after winning three titles the scars from that wound haven't completely healed. I have been a fan of Wade since he booted Kentucky out of the NCAA tournament in college, but Kobe is the second best shooting guard of all time and the 2001 playoffs is one of his finer performances.

[Koolaid_Man]

I hear what you trying to say, but Kobe shitted on a superior defensive team. We know what he did in only 3 quarters of work that same year against the Mavs. :lol

In the two games the Heat played the Spurs, here is what D-Whistle did:

Game 1: 31 points. Impressive. Or was it? He shot 15-17 FTs :lol No Shaq, so he got his points via the charity stripe
Game 2: 36 points. Impressive. Or was it? He shot 15-29. It took him 29 shots to get his 36 (you know, the same shit many on ST clown Kobe about) Shaq played this one.

The difference? Spurs swept the Heat that year. You know, the same year that the Heat won the NBA title. Also the same year Kobe dropped 62 on the Mavs (Finals runner up, or last loser - however you want to call it).

So please don't overrate Wade more than he already is. Don't let me pull Kool's YouTube vids of what Kobe did to the same Spur team that swept the Heat. No need to flip a coin. Kobe's career shits on Wade's. Kobe is a more skilled player than Wade is too. Kobe's jumper is better than Wade's too. :downspin:

thanks for coming in here and talking sense to some of these recent Laker fans who obviously started watching basketball in 2005. :lol I don't have hae the time or patience to deal with their senselessness. Ignorance is bliss I guess...:toast

[Koolaid_Man]

Kool is so butthurt in this thread. Better have luva come over and lap up your anal leakage. It's Valentine's Day after all.

I'm not butthurt at all...I'm just doing my thug thizzle...this ignorant ass thread / conversation I find amusing...it's a clear case of the blind leading the blind...I don't want no parts of it...only to spite...I'm having fun :lol

[Killakobe81]

Im just glad the REAL spur fans are providing me with proper perspective. They are right in 2001 if you not only watch what he did vs. SA but check what he did to Sacto those 2 series alone probably earns him 2nd best SG to Jordan status. I was blinded by the Finals by Wade, but Mavs reminded me of the FT love Wade got.

Sorry but Wade is 2nd best here ...

Thanks Mavs and REAL spur fans ...

[midnightpulp]

Im just glad the REAL spur fans are providing me with proper perspective. They are right in 2001 if you not only watch what he did vs. SA but check what he did to Sacto those 2 series alone probably earns him 2nd best SG to Jordan status. I was blinded by the Finals by Wade, but Mavs reminded me of the FT love Wade got.

Sorry but Wade is 2nd best here ...

Thanks Mavs and REAL spur fans ...

Real Spurs fans would also be aware of the fact Kirby beat up one of the shittiest perimeters of all time in Danny Ferry, a way past his prime Steve Smith, and a way past his prime Terry Porter. There was no one who could defend Kobe and no one he had to defend, so he was able to devote 100% of his energy to the offensive end. Meanwhile, Shaq, had to deal with both Robinson (still a very good player) and prime Duncan down in the post, ON BOTH ENDS.

Shaq was the real MVP of that series.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Real Spurs fans would also be aware of the fact Kirby beat up one of the shittiest perimeters of all time in Danny Ferry, a way past his prime Steve Smith, and a way past his prime Terry Porter. There was no one who could defend Kobe and no one he had to defend, so he was able to devote 100% of his energy to the offensive end. Meanwhile, Shaq, had to deal with both Robinson (still a very good player) and prime Duncan down in the post, ON BOTH ENDS.

Shaq was the real MVP of that series.
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[Tiago Splitter]

Im just glad the REAL spur fans are providing me with proper perspective. They are right in 2001 if you not only watch what he did vs. SA but check what he did to Sacto those 2 series alone probably earns him 2nd best SG to Jordan status. I was blinded by the Finals by Wade, but Mavs reminded me of the FT love Wade got.

Sorry but Wade is 2nd best here ...

Thanks Mavs and REAL spur fans ...

Please you wanted to go with Kobe to begin with. Just didn't want to sound like a complete Kobe dick sucker but with a name like KillaKobe, it does that job already. :rolleyes

[dunkman]

2006 Dwayne Wade...

He carried Shaq

while Shaq carried 2001 Kobe.

[JamStone]

Real Spurs fans would also be aware of the fact Kirby beat up one of the shittiest perimeters of all time in Danny Ferry, a way past his prime Steve Smith, and a way past his prime Terry Porter. There was no one who could defend Kobe and no one he had to defend, so he was able to devote 100% of his energy to the offensive end. Meanwhile, Shaq, had to deal with both Robinson (still a very good player) and prime Duncan down in the post, ON BOTH ENDS.

Shaq was the real MVP of that series.

Just looked it up, and in 2001, Steve Smith was still with Portland that season and not quite past his prime. Still a solid player, but doesn't matter because he wasn't defending Kobe for the Spurs. That was the playoffs where Derek Anderson got hurt by that Juwan Howard flagrant, so it would have been interesting to see if a healthy DA could have slowed Kobe down. And pretty sure the Spurs also had Antonio Daniels, who at the very least was young and athletic to also use against Kobe. Kobe was putting it on all defenders.

But in the previous two series for the Lakers, Kobe put up 30 points a game on 48% shooting and both the Kings and Blazers had better and more defenders trying to slow down Kobe, including guys like Doug Christie and Stacey Augmon. Kobe was killing it that entire playoffs.

In that Spurs series, Kobe didn't have the toughest match-up, but even so, the Spurs were still a really good defensive club and Kobe did what great players are supposed to do when they have a match-up advantage, destroy the other team. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that Kobe owned that playoff series, so I'm not sure why you want to go against the grain just to downplay Kobe's performance. Yes, Shaq in those years was unstoppable, but it was a given that Kobe was clearly the most outstanding player that series. I didn't think even Kobe critics would take that away from him.

[NewcastleKEG]

Give me Shaq

You can keep Wade & Kobe

[Koolaid_Man]

Give me Shaq

You can keep Wade & Kobe

Shaq and MJ would have fared worse then he Kobe....you have no fucking idea...:lol...you're a floating gay front running phagggot

[Koolaid_Man]

Real Spurs fans would also be aware of the fact Kirby beat up one of the shittiest perimeters of all time in Danny Ferry, a way past his prime Steve Smith, and a way past his prime Terry Porter. There was no one who could defend Kobe and no one he had to defend, so he was able to devote 100% of his energy to the offensive end. Meanwhile, Shaq, had to deal with both Robinson (still a very good player) and prime Duncan down in the post, ON BOTH ENDS.

Shaq was the real MVP of that series.


I see you got jokes :lmao

[NewcastleKEG]

Shaq and MJ would have fared worse then he Kobe....you have no fucking idea...:lol...you're a floating gay front running phagggot
Yeah you know cause MJ ran coaches & players out of town

MJ driving to the hope and dishing to Shaq would be unstoppable. No one kept MJ out of the lane

[Koolaid_Man]

Yeah you know cause MJ ran coaches & players out of town

MJ driving to the hope and dishing to Shaq would be unstoppable. No one kept MJ out of the lane

You fucking don't know shit about this game newbie...:lol for as driven as MJ was he and Shaq would have lasted maybe 3 seasons. This is another reason I say Kobe will be MJ's equal if he rings once more...Shaq was demanded the ball and so did MJ so who stats do you think would suffer more Shaq's or MJ's...MJ's stats would be similiar to Kobe had he played with a lazy ass center who demanded the ball all the time..that is absolute fact in the absence of evidence...conjecture be damed...any sane person knows this...MJ would have been forced liked Kobe to pass the ball to the paint...so the conclusion for me is that Kobe ( as of today) is the 2nd greatest 2 guard in the history of the game 5th all time in scoring despite playing with a ball dominant Shaq..and it's the reason his numbers aren't even closer to MJ's...:hat

[NewcastleKEG]

MJ was a superior shooter than Kobe so having wide open looks all the time wouldn't be an issue for him

Kobe is 5th all time because he never went to college, kiddo

[Koolaid_Man]

Yeah you know cause MJ ran coaches & players out of town

MJ driving to the hope and dishing to Shaq would be unstoppable. No one kept MJ out of the lane

and I forgot to mention that MJ took it a step further..He punched teammates in the face and called the flaming phaggots...In fact Bill Cartwright threatened to put MJ in a wheel chair if he ever disrespected him again..and guess what MJ didn't...:lol

Here is your evidence..case closed...now shut the fuck up bitch...MJ beating up on little white boys

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[Huey Freeman]

You fucking don't know shit about this game newbie...:lol for as driven as MJ was he and Shaq would have lasted maybe 3 seasons. This is another reason I say Kobe will be MJ's equal if he rings once more...Shaq was demanded the ball and so did MJ so who stats do you think would suffer more Shaq's or MJ's...MJ's stats would be similiar to Kobe had he played with a lazy ass center who demanded the ball all the time..that is absolute fact in the absence of evidence...conjecture be damed...any sane person knows this...MJ would have been forced liked Kobe to pass the ball to the paint...so the conclusion for me is that Kobe ( as of today) is the 2nd greatest 2 guard in the history of the game 5th all time in scoring despite playing with a ball dominant Shaq..and it's the reason his numbers aren't even closer to MJ's...:hat

Well we have no way of knowing that do we. Only evidence we have is MJ won 6 as the "main guy" and Kobe only won 2 (and lost 2). Shit sucks it works out that way, but......that's they way it is.

[Killakobe81]

Please you wanted to go with Kobe to begin with. Just didn't want to sound like a complete Kobe dick sucker but with a name like KillaKobe, it does that job already. :rolleyes

NOPE. I say what I mean and mean what I say I already explained numerous times why I chose the name, u don't know means u r some noob or a shitty troll ...

[mavsfan1000]

The 2006 refs always win against any single player.

[NewcastleKEG]

and I forgot to mention that MJ took it a step further..He punched teammates in the face and called the flaming phaggots...In fact Bill Cartwright threatened to put MJ in a wheel chair if he ever disrespected him again..and guess what MJ didn't...:lol

Here is your evidence..case closed...now shut the fuck up bitch...MJ beating up on little white boys

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And he ran who out of town?

Bottomline:
MJ played college ball....he played at UNC surrounded with other OLDER talent. Whether he already had it in him or not, he was forced by Dean Smith to alter with his team. Expecting Jordan to be drafted on the ALL STAR team Kobe did, with Shaq who had already played in the championship game & not expect him to co exist would be foolish

Anyway, Jordan was humbled in high school when cut from the team. Kobe had a golden spoon in his mouth all through life until 2005 (aged 26) when Shaq was traded and guess what happened.....he watched the playoffs from home.

Kobe is a 2-time Finals LOSER, so I can't say he put personal glory ahead of the team in 2004 but Jordan would NEVER EVER sacrifice a championship to make a statement.

[Killakobe81]

And he ran who out of town?

Bottomline:
MJ played college ball....he played at UNC surrounded with other OLDER talent. Whether he already had it in him or not, he was forced by Dean Smith to alter with his team. Expecting Jordan to be drafted on the ALL STAR team Kobe did, with Shaq who had already played in the championship game & not expect him to co exist would be foolish

Anyway, Jordan was humbled in high school when cut from the team. Kobe had a golden spoon in his mouth all through life until 2005 (aged 26) when Shaq was traded and guess what happened.....he watched the playoffs from home.

Kobe is a 2-time Finals LOSER, so I can't say he put personal glory ahead of the team in 2004 but Jordan would NEVER EVER sacrifice a championship to make a statement.

Speculation...on both accounts. Kobe may just be a dumbass egomaniac may not have been proving a "point" ... and saying Jordan would not is beyond speculative.
Bottomline regardless is Mj is greater than Kobe. NO need to reach or to psychoanalyze. He has more rings, awards and better stats.