Santorum: Birth control ‘harmful to women’

[elbamba]

Yesterday I speculated on some of the reasons Rick Santorum has problems with women voters. This interview from 2006 sure isn’t going to help.

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For starters, does he realize that married women (men too!) use birth control? The impression that Santorum finds the prevalent practice of birth control “harmful to women” is, frankly, mind-numbing. If he meant to focus on teen sexual promiscuity, he surely could have, and thereby might have sounded less out of touch.

Now, he qualifies his religious views by saying he doesn’t vote against contraception “because it’s not the taking of a human life” (in other contexts he has emphasized that as a legal matter he has no problem with contraception). But how does that square with his professed belief that a candidate’s values are essential to understanding and predicting his behavior? Perhaps that’s an abortion-only rule. (And really, where are George Stephanopoulos’s questions on this topic when you need them?)

In any event, this sort of thing undermines Santorum’s electability argument. (Current polling match-ups between President Obama and each of the two frontrunners, before the GOP has a nominee and before Santorum’s record is out there, are virtually useless.) This is how, in part, he lost Pennsylvania — by appearing extreme and schoolmarmish, too far to the right of average voters in a purple state. If he is the nominee in 2012, he might get some blue-collar fellows, but what about those women in Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.? And what about more secularized suburban communities? Fuggedaboutit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/santorum-birth-control-harms-women/2012/02/15/gIQASRukFR_blog.html

[elbamba]

I don't see how this guy will get women to vote for him. Its the same issue with Newt. If Republicans want to have a chance, they will need single women to vote R in November. I'm not so sure Romney can get their vote either. But he seems to have less controvertial positions on birth control.

[DarrinS]

The pill IS bad for women, especially if they smoke too.

[DarrinS]

Are women afraid he is going to outlaw birth control?

:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

The pill IS bad for women, especially if they smoke too.
It's especially bad for a fetus when it doesn't work right.

[ElNono]

Are women afraid he is going to outlaw birth control?

:lmao

Do you think it's out of the realm of possibilities he would propose something like that?

I don't think it would pass Congress though. The deeper question is how much time are we going to waste on contraceptive policies should he be at the helm?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Do you think it's out of the realm of possibilities he would propose something like that?

Uh, yes.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I don't understand why he's being labeled someone that "hates" or has "problems" with women.

[Wild Cobra]

I don't understand why he's being labeled someone that "hates" or has "problems" with women.
Playing the sexist card. That's all it is. Liberals have numerous bigot cards stacked in their decks. You should know that by now.

[leemajors]

Playing the sexist card. That's all it is. Liberals have numerous bigot cards stacked in their decks. You should know that by now.

His position on same sex marriage easily lands him in the bigot bin.

[Wild Cobra]

His position on same sex marriage easily lands him in the bigot bin.
Depends on why. I am one who believes marriage should remain traditional. Is tradition bigotry?

[leemajors]

Depends on why. I am one who believes marriage should remain traditional. Is tradition bigotry?

It doesn't depend on why. If the tradition is to exclude people from a silly, legally binding agreement simply based on their sexual orientation, then it is bigotry.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the problem with birth control, will the govt take care of the child if the parents cant take care of them?

[TeyshaBlue]

Depends on why. I am one who believes marriage should remain traditional. Is tradition bigotry?

Slave owners held a similar view....just sayin'.

[DarrinS]

His position on same sex marriage easily lands him in the bigot bin.

You mean, the same position held by the majority in California?

[Wild Cobra]

Slave owners held a similar view....just sayin'.
Some did. Most actually believed them inferior.

If slavery were around today, how many people might own slaves just to give some slaves a better life than they would have under a different master? Not all slave owners were bad, or bigots. Would you agree?

[TeyshaBlue]

Certainly not all. Only fools paint in absolutes.

[leemajors]

Why would a "good" person want to own and control another?

[ElNono]

Uh, yes.

I don't. That said, I don't think it would necessarily fly.

[ElNono]

Why would a "good" person want to own and control another?

duh, to give them a better life!

[DarrinS]

LOL @ slavery comparison.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

His position on same sex marriage easily lands him in the bigot bin.

Its the same general stance our President has............

[boutons_deux]

InSaneTorum is against all forms of birth control, exactly like the hard-core Catholic Church position, chemical and mechanical, which is guaranteed to cause 100Ks more unwanted births and abortions.

TX's Repug war on contraception means TX's annual 80K abortions will probably jump to 100K.

[DarrinS]

Its the same general stance our President has............

Doh!

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I don't. That said, I don't think it would necessarily fly.

Ha. Your second sentence pretty much is laughing at your first sentence, but as long as you think he would. Pfffff

[TeyshaBlue]

LOL @ slavery comparison.

When dealing with issues of bigotry or predjudice, you have a better text?

Thought so.:rolleyes

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Doh!

I can see the Google smoking from here.

[ElNono]

Ha. Your second sentence pretty much is laughing at your first sentence, but as long as you think he would. Pfffff

If I take the man at his word, banning pills like Plan B is a priority.

It's no different than Barry asking Congress to send him a variety of bills to sign (despite that Congress would never agree or pass them).

[baseline bum]

Depends on why. I am one who believes marriage should remain traditional. Is tradition bigotry?


Never figured you as a mormon.

[Blake]

Depends on why. I am one who believes marriage should remain traditional. Is tradition bigotry?

At least this time you are coming right out with your Appeal to Tradition fallacy.

[baseline bum]

I think we should nail Christians to the cross for tradition's sake.

[Blake]

:lol

[DarrinS]

I think we should nail Christians to the cross for tradition's sake.

:dramaquee

[baseline bum]

We could shoot Indians and hang the ######s too.

[KKK]

We could shoot Indians and hang the ######s too.

:tu

[baseline bum]

Good to see another person with good traditional Christian morals here. :tu

[JoeChalupa]

Santorum is a little too far to the right but you gotta admire his convictions. Don't see much flip-flopping coming from him. This could be to his advantage and get him the GOP nomination. I hope so.

[Spurminator]

Santorum is a little too far to the right but you gotta admire his convictions. Don't see much flip-flopping coming from him. This could be to his advantage and get him the GOP nomination. I hope so.


Consistent holding of deplorable convictions is a false virtue.

[JoeChalupa]

Consistent holding of deplorable convictions is a false virtue.

Not all are deplorable, IMHO. I don't agree with them but I wouldn't consider them deplorable.

[LnGrrrR]

Depends on why. I am one who believes marriage should remain traditional. Is tradition bigotry?

How much dowry do you think a man should have to provide his future father-in-law?

[resistanze]

If slavery were around today, how many people might own slaves just to give some slaves a better life than they would have under a different master? Not all slave owners were bad, or bigots. Would you agree?

:lmao Another WC classic.

[Nbadan]

Doesn't take a genius to figure out what a radical Santorum is on abortion


"The reason Social Security is in big trouble is we don't have enough workers to support the retirees. A third of all the young people in America are not in America today because of abortion, because one in three pregnancies end in abortion."

- Rick Santorum, 3/29/11

[Nbadan]

“I don’t think it works. I think it’s harmful to women, I think it’s harmful to our society to have a society that says that sex outside of marriage is something that should be encouraged or tolerated, particularly among the young. I think it has, as we’ve seen, very harmful long-term consequences for society. So birth control to me enables that and I don’t think it’s a healthy thing for our country.”

–Saying that birth control is harmful to women, society and our country. CN8′s “Nitebeat with Barry Nolan”, July 28, 2005

[Nbadan]

“And if the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does. It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn’t exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution, this right that was created, it was created in Griswold — Griswold was the contraceptive case — and abortion. And now we’re just extending it out. And the further you extend it out, the more you — this freedom actually intervenes and affects the family.”

–On his belief that there is no right to privacy in the U.S. Constitution. In the Griswold case, the U.S. Supreme Court found that married couples had the right to use birth control.

[baseline bum]

–On his belief that there is no right to privacy in the U.S. Constitution. In the Griswold case, the U.S. Supreme Court found that married couples had the right to use birth control.

Wow, I didn't think he could possibly be any worse of a candidate. What a hate-filled piece of dogshit. So the guy wants to throw gays in jail? :rollin

[Wild Cobra]

How much dowry do you think a man should have to provide his future father-in-law?
LOL...

If we were in those times, as much money as the beauty of the woman can fetch. Supply and demand still rule however.

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao Another WC classic.
Glad to assist.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Some did. Most actually believed them inferior.

If slavery were around today, how many people might own slaves just to give some slaves a better life than they would have under a different master? Not all slave owners were bad, or bigots. Would you agree?

i would hope the ideal would be buying them to set them free not keep them for yourself. I am not going to guess if you didn't figure that because you are one of the most racist people i have encountered or if its because you are one of the dumbest people i have ever encountered.

[Blake]

Glad to assist.

Doubtful

[baseline bum]

Hilarious that Santorum thinks a law making buttfucking illegal (which is what his quote in nbadan's last post is in reference to) is somehow constitutional. He really is a piece of fecal matter lube.

[boutons_deux]

InSaneTorum: kill to protect free speech


http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tea-party-militia.jpg

“the Second Amendment is there to protect the First Amendment!”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/02/16/426851/santorum-the-second-amendment-is-there-to-protect-the-first-amendment/

bubbas gonna vote for this guy way ahead of Yankee Willard Gecko

[boutons_deux]

"On this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s so inexpensive. You know, back in my days, they used Baer Aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly."

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/16/427233/foster-friess-contraception/

Repug medical science, as perfect as their climate science !! what's not to love? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Hilarious that Santorum thinks a law making buttfucking illegal (which is what his quote in nbadan's last post is in reference to) is somehow constitutional. He really is a piece of fecal matter lube.That would be a weird case to try.

[LnGrrrR]

LOL...

If we were in those times, as much money as the beauty of the woman can fetch. Supply and demand still rule however.

So what you're saying is, that tradition of dowry no longer applies?

[ChumpDumper]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407439_10150561800384639_8934429638_9081693_208881 6182_n.jpg
What is missing from this picture of witnesses for a congressional hearing regarding women's health?

[Blake]

I see the Catholic priests.....are there Protestant preachers on that panel?

[clambake]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407439_10150561800384639_8934429638_9081693_208881 6182_n.jpg
What is missing from this picture of witnesses for a congressional hearing regarding women's health?

women?

[Blake]

....and what a happy looking group of women on that 2nd(3rd) row.

:lol

[clambake]

also, is it possible that the guy on the end is a black surgeon?

[ChumpDumper]

also, is it possible that the guy on the end is a black surgeon?I guess there are no peremptory challenges in these things.

[boutons_deux]

Republicans Who Oppose Obama’s Contraception Regulation Have No Problem With Romney’s


On Wednesday over two dozen Republican House and Senate members held a press conference in support of the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act, which would allow any and all insurers and employers to deny their employees health benefits and services required by federal law based on their personal religious or moral objections.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/16/427328/republicans-who-oppose-obamas-contraception-regulation-have-no-problem-with-romneys/

eg "I, almighty employer and wannabe-God, hold the firm belief in my conscience that cancer chemo is against God's law, so I won't pay for your chemo"

[TheSullyMonster]

Some did. Most actually believed them inferior.

If slavery were around today, how many people might own slaves just to give some slaves a better life than they would have under a different master? Not all slave owners were bad, or bigots. Would you agree?

How did this slip by?

No, I'm fairly certain that ALL slave owners were bigots to some degree.:lol

[Wild Cobra]

How did this slip by?

No, I'm fairly certain that ALL slave owners were bigots to some degree.:lol
Yes, it was an acquired trait. I didn't say that now, did I? That doesn't mean that some slave owners weren't sympathetic.

[TDMVPDPOY]

looks like those woman on the stand, dont know fkn english

[Blake]

Yes, it was an acquired trait. I didn't say that now, did I? That doesn't mean that some slave owners weren't sympathetic.

Sympathetic slave owner is an oxymoron, you fucking idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

Sympathetic slave owner is an oxymoron, you fucking idiot.
What were the options back then? Break the law?

[clambake]

slave chains were the first bling!

[z0sa]

lol sympathetic slave owner

[LnGrrrR]

What were the options back then? Break the law?

It was against the law to free slaves? Or are you under the assumption that any free black person could be rounded up and sold like a stray pet?

[z0sa]

:lol this dumbass probably doesn't know that there were an equal amount of free states in the Union

[Wild Cobra]

It was against the law to free slaves? Or are you under the assumption that any free black person could be rounded up and sold like a stray pet?
I think that varied by state, and then if they lost or had their their freedom papers stolen, they were slaves again. Unless they made it North, they pretty much were slaves. I wasn't arguing this aspect of it. only that some slave owners treated the slaves like workers rather than property.

Is someone going to contend that all slave owners were the same?

[clambake]

you have to pay for them to be workers. so much stupid.

[Wild Cobra]

you have to pay for them to be workers. so much stupid.
No, stupidity is someone like you. Not seeing the shades of gray.

[clambake]

fucking idiot thinks being a slave is like being a worker. lol

[Blake]

What were the options back then? Break the law?

Rofl what law?

[Blake]

I think that varied by state, and then if they lost or had their their freedom papers stolen, they were slaves again. Unless they made it North, they pretty much were slaves. I wasn't arguing this aspect of it. only that some slave owners treated the slaves like workers rather than property.

Is someone going to contend that all slave owners were the same?

What law would an owner break by releasing a slave, idiot?

[clambake]

imagine, if you dare, what kind of woman this clown would attract.

[z0sa]

only that some slave owners treated the slaves like workers rather than property.

what. the. fuck.

the philanthropist slave owner. only on spurstalk.

and before boutons pipes up, you're scarcely better calling people subhuman.

[Blake]

imagine, if you dare, what kind of woman this clown would attract.

The kind that would understand that he's only stalking her for her own good

[Wild Cobra]

I think that varied by state, and then if they lost or had their their freedom papers stolen, they were slaves again. Unless they made it North, they pretty much were slaves. I wasn't arguing this aspect of it. only that some slave owners treated the slaves like workers rather than property.

Is someone going to contend that all slave owners were the same?
Idiots.

I'm not saying it was right by our standards today. If you cant try to think like they probably did in the past, that's your problem

[clambake]

Idiots.

I'm not saying it was right by our standards today. If you cant try to think like they probably did in the past, that's your problem

dumbass. they treated them like animals for personal gain.

[Blake]

Idiots.

I'm not saying it was right by our standards today. If you cant try to think like they probably did in the past, that's your problem

When was slavery ever right? Year and civilization please.

Fucking idiot.

[Blake]

What law would an owner break by releasing a slave, idiot?

[TeyshaBlue]

Idiots.

I'm not saying it was right by our standards today. If you cant try to think like they probably did in the past, that's your problem

If it was ok at one time, it could be again! South's gonna rise again, baby!


Fuck....I made my self stupider just by typing that.:depressed

[z0sa]

If it was ok at one time, it could be again! South's gonna rise again, baby!


Fuck....I made my self stupider just by typing that.:depressed

:rollin