Would you trade Tony for Dwight Howard

[ElNono]

Tony is peaking, Dwight is looking to move to another team. Both All Stars.

If you had the chance, would you do it?

[Bill_Brasky]

If I knew Dwight would stay and give it his all, yes. If he's gonna continue to mail it in here like he's doing in Orlando and jet in the off-season, nah.

[Seventyniner]

It would be risky, but I would do it. Winning a title this year could very well convince him to stay, and if it doesn't happen...well, it's called risk for a reason.

[FkLA]

http://www.memecreator.net/futurama-fry/showimage.php/420/NOT-SURE-IF-SERIOUS-.jpg

[mystargtr34]

Not enough minutes for Dwight behind Timmy and Bon Bon to take on that contract.

[GSH]

Assume you're talking about getting him extended, and not just rented? Maybe - and only because I still think it's ultimately a big man's game. Last year the answer would have been a simple "yes". But Tony has proven that he can step up and put a team on his shoulders. That's hard to replace anywhere. Dwight has the physical skills to do it. Does he have the head for it? I'm not so sure.

The Lakers have two pretty damn good big men, and Kobe, and they're still scrambling for a point guard. I think I'd have to hang onto the known quantity.

I wish someone would pay me for all that brain work.

[Robz4000]

Nope. Spurs just need a 3rd big that can play D and perform in the post well enough. Just do that and the team can contend.

[JR3]

It was actually really hard for me to vote yes but I would ultimately do it. I would probably regret it though.

[ElNono]

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[jag]

These are difficult times for the CoM

[DPG21920]

I would do it for a season rental.

[ElNono]

:lol

[baseline bum]

Tough call. Maybe trade Manu to the Knicks for Lin instead?

[ElNono]

Tough call. Maybe trade Manu to the Knicks for Lin instead?

CoP poll, tbh... you should get that going

[spursfaninla]

I would do it for a season rental.

Why? Just for the excitement of a true "twin towers" moment?

[baseline bum]

CoP poll, tbh... you should get that going

But would you do it?

[jag]

But would you do it?

:corn:

[ElNono]

But would you do it?

Hell no

[angelbelow]

I would do it with the current circumstances. (Not knowing if Dwight would accept an extension.)

Ticket sales and a legit shot at the championship this year.

[baseline bum]

Hell no

Spurs would finally have their point guard though, right? What a shame it would be to finally have someone who would pass to Manu and then no Manu though.

[ElNono]

Spurs would finally have their point guard though, right? What a shame it would be to finally have someone who would pass to Manu and then no Manu though.

No. I have no complaints when it comes to Tony. I'm actually valuing him superlatively if I'm considering him worthy of a trade for Howard.

[baseline bum]

This is a stretch, but what if the Knicks offered Lin+Shumpert for Manu?

[ElNono]

Plus you would be making the Knicks contender, so... definitely no

[DPG21920]

Why? Just for the excitement of a true "twin towers" moment?

Because I feel the team would have a better chance to win it all this year if done. It would be heart breaking to see TP go but we would have the best defense in the league, still have a top 3 bench and a guard that can handle the ball in Manu.

I would trade Manu for a season of Dwight as well in place of TP.

[ElNono]

This is a stretch, but what if the Knicks offered Lin+Shumpert for Manu?

I would consider Melo + Amare, but then salaries likely wouldn't match...

[baseline bum]

I would consider Melo + Amare, but then salaries likely wouldn't match...

No dice. I'd rather have Lin since a Harvard grad is smart enough to know you don't do pushups right before critical free-throws tbh.

[ElNono]

No dice. I'd rather have Lin since a Harvard grad is smart enough to know you don't do pushups right before critical free-throws tbh.

Plus it's unlikely Tony would pass the ball to either Melo or Amare.

[Hoops Czar]

Without a point guard, having howard is a waist. Ford is terrible and manu would be gased by the playoffs. Pass!

[ElNono]

Without a point guard, having howard is a waist. Ford is terrible and manu would be gased by the playoffs. Pass!

What about Corey Joseph? :lol

[baseline bum]

The biggest problem is I just don't see Dwight passing the ball to Manu any more than Tony does. I'm not sure what this deal is supposed to accomplish.

[angelbelow]

Without a point guard, having howard is a waist. Ford is terrible and manu would be gased by the playoffs. Pass!

Howard played with Jameer Nelson. Isn't that difficult to dump the ball to someone like Dwight.

[GSH]

I would do it with the current circumstances. (Not knowing if Dwight would accept an extension.)

Ticket sales and a legit shot at the championship this year.


You really think they could bring home a trophy with their PG's being TJ Ford, Cory Joseph, and Neal? I'm not trying to bait you - I really wonder if you think that could happen.

[ffadicted]

No cuz he wouldn't stay

[Banzai]

TP is a Spur for life..I can't imagine him, Manu on any other team.

[FkLA]

Are some of you really saying no? Parker is a great player and has been carrying this team but Howard is in a different tier. Top 3-5 player in the league for the past couple of seasons.

Id do it for a season rental as well. I like our chances to win it all this year better with Dwight, Manu, and Tim than I do with Manu, Tony, and Tim. What happened after this year wouldnt matter much if we got that 5th ring. If I put sentimental feelings aside and simply looked at it from a purely basketball perspective Id even be willing to trade Manu for a season rental of Howard.

[spectator]

i'd do it for a rental as well

but what type of assets would the spurs have to give up? the magic want youth and picks and talent. do you believe you can beat the nets' package with tp + rj + neal + pick(s)? definitely not.

[DPG21920]

There is no possibility of this happening :lol

Purely hypothetical Spectator

[DesignatedT]

Rather trade Manu. I would trade either if Dwight agreed to an extension before hand. No way for a half a season.

[ElNono]

The biggest problem is I just don't see Dwight passing the ball to Manu any more than Tony does. I'm not sure what this deal is supposed to accomplish.

Trading PG dominance*for big dominance...

* when the opposing PG is not called Mike Conley Jr

[angelbelow]

You really think they could bring home a trophy with their PG's being TJ Ford, Cory Joseph, and Neal? I'm not trying to bait you - I really wonder if you think that could happen.

Before I get too invested, I just want to state that this trade would never happen in a million years. Trading a big for a guard is generally considered a cardinal sin and in this case the magic have the better player.

I do think we'd have a better shot at winning it all if we acquired Dwight and lost Tony in the process. The hole at point is definitely glaring but Dwight is probably the most dominant big men in the game today. History has been kind to teams with dominant bigs, and for good reason. With that said.. its still a tough trade to swallow given Tony's history and the fact that Dwight's extension isn't guaranteed. But to have Dwight, even as a rental, makes a ton of sense from a business perspectiv (media coverage, ticket sales, merch etc). It also gives us the option to potentially sign one of the legit franchise players in the NBA (pretty rare position for small market teams to be in.) Additionally, we give Duncan another shot at the title with a serious talent upgrade. The trade won't answer our prayers and hand us a championship, but I do believe it puts in an excellent position to do so.

[mercos]

No, because Howard would not resign and I would not give away a franchise PG for a rental. Howard does not guarantee a championship as his ringless fingers indicate. I like our chances with the roster we have in this wide open season. I like our future as well with a 29 year old top 5 point guard and a 27 year old center who looks very promising in his own right.

Howard is no doubt the best big man in the game right now, but his game is based almost solely on his athleticism. His game is not going to age like a fine wine, it is going to age like milk. I would not want to be the one holding his max contract when he spoils.

[ElNono]

Howard is no doubt the best big man in the game right now, but his game is based almost solely on his athleticism. His game is not going to age like a fine wine, it is going to age like milk. I would not want to be the one holding his max contract when he spoils.

So you wouldn't do it even if he agrees to a max deal?

[Hoops Czar]

Howard played with Jameer Nelson. Isn't that difficult to dump the ball to someone like Dwight.
It would be addition by subraction. I personally don't like the idea of losing an elite pg for a center who can't help his current team win when it matters most. Some of that falls on the shoulders of van gundy for underutilizing his center and admittedly, thats part of orlando's problem. But, i can assure you, orlando won't win in the post season with nelson running the point and howard, although he won't say, knows this.

[Kewni Leonard]

Anyone who wouldn't is seriously out of their minds and knows literally nothing about the NBA or basketball in general.

[Hoops Czar]

What about Corey Joseph? :lol

He should be playing for the toros. He's getting next to no playing time and with manu back in the fold, he sure to stay on the bench.

[mercos]

So you wouldn't do it even if he agrees to a max deal?

If he was going to sign a max deal I would be tempted to chance it. I do believe Howard is going to flame out early, but it is a big man's game and it might be worth the risk. That being said, I'm a loyalty guy and I want all the big three to retire as Spurs, so the decision is tough for me. I would not so quickly ship off a guy who was a major contributor in three title runs.

[GSH]

Before I get too invested, I just want to state that this trade would never happen in a million years. Trading a big for a guard is generally considered a cardinal sin and in this case the magic have the better player.

I do think we'd have a better shot at winning it all if we acquired Dwight and lost Tony in the process. The hole at point is definitely glaring but Dwight is probably the most dominant big men in the game today. History has been kind to teams with dominant bigs, and for good reason. With that said.. its still a tough trade to swallow given Tony's history and the fact that Dwight's extension isn't guaranteed. But to have Dwight, even as a rental, makes a ton of sense from a business perspectiv (media coverage, ticket sales, merch etc). It also gives us the option to potentially sign one of the legit franchise players in the NBA (pretty rare position for small market teams to be in.) Additionally, we give Duncan another shot at the title with a serious talent upgrade. The trade won't answer our prayers and hand us a championship, but I do believe it puts in an excellent position to do so.


Heh... no, I know we're suspending disbelief to even discuss it.

If the deal is getting him extended, then we could dig up a serviceable PG next season and be a favorite. But as a rental? I don't know, I just have visions of a frustrating post-season, with a stagnant offense. One thing I think people should keep in mind is that Howard has already proven that one guy - even the most dominant big man in the game today - can't do it by himself.

Has everybody forgotten what it looked like tonight, with Joseph at the point? And that was against the Raptors. And even though Neal has improved some, we still know where the offense goes with him at the point. I don't know, maybe with a healthy Manu facilitating along with TJ Ford. But I still don't see it. Without a legitimate starting NBA PG, I think this Spurs team would finish the playoffs about like Orlando has the last few years.

Extended, yes - for next year. Rental? I just don't think so.

[GSH]

Look at it another way: could the 06 Heat have won it all without Dwayne Wade? With Ford, Neal, and Joseph as fill-in PG's? I know there are some differences, but I think the analogy works.

[Spursfan092120]

Wouldn't do it, tbh.

[Kewni Leonard]

I'm sitting here asking myself... is this really a thread?

[Ditty]

IMO it's alot harder to find a dominate center, then a dominate point guard. I would trade anyone on the Spurs roster for Howard. Maybe if the Spurs make a nice playoff run, maybe Howard would make the Spurs a contender on his list this summer ;).

[FkLA]

Heh... no, I know we're suspending disbelief to even discuss it.

If the deal is getting him extended, then we could dig up a serviceable PG next season and be a favorite. But as a rental? I don't know, I just have visions of a frustrating post-season, with a stagnant offense. One thing I think people should keep in mind is that Howard has already proven that one guy - even the most dominant big man in the game today - can't do it by himself.

Has everybody forgotten what it looked like tonight, with Joseph at the point? And that was against the Raptors. And even though Neal has improved some, we still know where the offense goes with him at the point. I don't know, maybe with a healthy Manu facilitating along with TJ Ford. But I still don't see it. Without a legitimate starting NBA PG, I think this Spurs team would finish the playoffs about like Orlando has the last few years.

Extended, yes - for next year. Rental? I just don't think so.

The Lakers recently won back to back titles with the corpse of Fisher running the point. With Howard the Spurs would have the most dominant frontcourt in the league along with an elite SG. Thats a recipe for success as the Lakers showed. That team would have a significantly better chance at a 5th ring than this current team.

[timvp]

It would be funny watching Pop figure out how to divide 48 by three since obviously Duncan, Howard and Splitter all play the same position and can't be played next to each other.

[DMC]

I like Tony, but I think we could get a decent PG, and with Howard, Splitter and Duncan holding down the paint, Spurs are true contenders. A team led in scoring by the PG isn't going to go too far in the playoffs.

[DMC]

It would be funny watching Pop figure out how to divide 48 by three since obviously Duncan, Howard and Splitter all play the same position and can't be played next to each other.

You might be joking (probably are) but Duncan moves out to the true PF slot and lets Howard take the beating under the rim.

[Ditty]

Bonner still would be getting 30 minutes a game.

[DMC]

Bonner still would be getting 30 minutes a game.

And he would be scoring 20 per tbh. With Tim and Howard in the middle, no way the defense comes out to guard Bonner.

[Arcadian]

Wow, I'm shocked to see that so many people voted "yes." I was a "hell no." I would rather have a balanced team - the classic point-guard, wing-man, post-man combo - than two post players, one of whom is older and one of whom has offensive deficiencies.

I have never been a fan of Howard. His back-to-the-basket game is just...ugh. After watching Tim Duncan play for the last 14 years, I can't bare to watch centers with unskilled post play.

[angelbelow]

Heh... no, I know we're suspending disbelief to even discuss it.

If the deal is getting him extended, then we could dig up a serviceable PG next season and be a favorite. But as a rental? I don't know, I just have visions of a frustrating post-season, with a stagnant offense. One thing I think people should keep in mind is that Howard has already proven that one guy - even the most dominant big man in the game today - can't do it by himself.

Has everybody forgotten what it looked like tonight, with Joseph at the point? And that was against the Raptors. And even though Neal has improved some, we still know where the offense goes with him at the point. I don't know, maybe with a healthy Manu facilitating along with TJ Ford. But I still don't see it. Without a legitimate starting NBA PG, I think this Spurs team would finish the playoffs about like Orlando has the last few years.

Extended, yes - for next year. Rental? I just don't think so.

Fair points. Joseph should really be in Austin and I haven't trusted TJ's health in 5 years. However, Orlando's most successful year (where they got to the finals) was fueled by Hedo Turkoglu's play making rather than outstanding play from their point guards (Nelson/Alston/Lue/Johnson). After Hedo was traded and reduced to a lazy player, the Magic were never the same. Part of it is Dwight's limited offensive (yet he some still averages 20) and the rest is the lack of playmaking from the rest of the team. Another factor is how much easier Dwight is going to make the game for the rest of the roster. Neal might even evolve into a consistent player maker :lol.

A different perspective (but not one that I necessarily agree with) is if Dwight were to leave, we'd free up a shit ton cap space. Our total salary would be somewhere around 33 million with all the expirings. This is likely the last year we'll contending and if so, we'd have a fantastic foundation to rebuild on. The main reason why I don't really like this POV is because Dwight is the major FA prize. So losing out on him kind of defeats the purpose of clearing so much room. In this scenario, the possible consolation prizes:

-Roy Hibbert
-Brook Lopez
-Javale McGee
-Chris Kaman
-KG
-Jamison
-Spencer Hawes

[ElNono]

It would be funny watching Pop figure out how to divide 48 by three since obviously Duncan, Howard and Splitter all play the same position and can't be played next to each other.

Since RJ would play PF, you just slide Tim to the wing, tbh

[chazley]

We could actually put together a really nice package for Dwight that the Magic might actually be willing to take.

Would the Magic really turn down:

Tiago
Danny Green
Matt Bonner
Tony Parker
James Anderson

2 1st rounders
1 2nd rounder

For: Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson

That's a hell of alot better package that what other teams could offer. Our team would instantly become an elite defensive squad:

Nelson
Manu
Kawhi
Tim
Howard

Bench: Neal/RJ/Blair/Ford/Joseph

All contingent upon Dwight agreeing to sign a contract extension.

We would also have a ton of cap space for next year (Tim signing at a low price/Rj amnesty), allowing us to sign a near-max free agent.

[Kewni Leonard]

It would be funny watching Pop figure out how to divide 48 by three since obviously Duncan, Howard and Splitter all play the same position and can't be played next to each other.

That's rather simple. The entire league knows by now what a serviceable big man Splitter is, you trade him in a package deal for a solid point. Howard 30 a game at C; Duncan 18 at C, 5-10 PF.

Of course, this deal would never happen. The Magic would laugh the Spurs off the phone.

[timvp]

^ 'Twas a joke.

Of course you trade TP for Howard. I'd probably do it even if Howard didn't immediately sign an extension.

[DeadlyDynasty]

This is only a good question if you're talking a one-year rental. If Dwight were willing to sign an extension, then anybody who would be against this deal is a mongoloid and I sincerely hope you haven't procreated yet.

[gilmor]

Plus you would be making the Knicks contender, so... definitely no

They are already a contender with Lin there..

[mathbzh]

This is only a good question if you're talking a one-year rental. If Dwight were willing to sign an extension, then anybody who would be against this deal is a mongoloid and I sincerely hope you haven't procreated yet.

Basketball-wise this would be a no-brainer.

But I don't like Howard personality, his constant ranting, his wish-list...
I am not sure I would want him on my team.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Basketball-wise this would be a no-brainer.

But I don't like Howard personality, his constant ranting, his wish-list...
I am not sure I would want him on my team.

:lolwgaf about his personality...for a 20 and 20 guy who's the best bigman in the league you can overlook petty shit like that.

You also need to realize that it's a great business decision. FA's want to play with Dwight Howard. FA's don't come down there to play with Tony Parker.

[mathbzh]

:lolwgaf about his personality...for a 20 and 20 guy who's the best bigman in the league you can overlook petty shit like that.

You also need to realize that it's a great business decision. FA's want to play with Dwight Howard. FA's don't come down there to play with Tony Parker.

I realise it would be a great business decision and a no-brainer... and I still don't like Howard. And I am fine with that thanks. It's not like I am the Spurs GM or something :hat

[slick'81]

lol@ anyone saying no it wouldnt happen in a million years anyway but u dont say no to tp 4 dwight

[ego]

Firstly I would trade some spurs's fans and then actually the spurs are based on TD (fondamental), MG (flamboyant,exalting) , TP (the quicker and agile) and POP (art of coaching).

If you remove one of these men, I stop to watch the Spurs ! This is the only team in the NBA with people who like working together since many years.

My only dream is to see these 4 men winning the title a last time. It will be the most famous title !!

[Proxy]

firstly i would trade some spurs's fans and then actually the spurs are based on td (fondamental), mg (flamboyant,exalting) , tp (the quicker and agile) and pop (art of coaching).

If you remove one of these men, i stop to watch the spurs ! This is the only team in the nba with people who like working together since many years.

My only dream is to see these 4 men winning the title a last time. It will be the most famous title !!

most famous!!!

[Aztecfan03]

We could actually put together a really nice package for Dwight that the Magic might actually be willing to take.

Would the Magic really turn down:

Tiago
Danny Green
Matt Bonner
Tony Parker
James Anderson

2 1st rounders
1 2nd rounder

For: Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson

That's a hell of alot better package that what other teams could offer. Our team would instantly become an elite defensive squad:

Nelson
Manu
Kawhi
Tim
Howard

Bench: Neal/RJ/Blair/Ford/Joseph

All contingent upon Dwight agreeing to sign a contract extension.

We would also have a ton of cap space for next year (Tim signing at a low price/Rj amnesty), allowing us to sign a near-max free agent.

So... Mortgaging the future.And that wouldn't even make the team better- i don't care how good Howard is. And Blair as the only big on the bench? Are you effin crazy?

[z0sa]

trollbait thread since the obvious answer is yes but I would hate doing it

[chazley]

So... Mortgaging the future.And that wouldn't even make the team better- i don't care how good Howard is. And Blair as the only big on the bench? Are you effin crazy?

That trade opens up cap space next year to allow us to sign a max free agent, and we keep Manu/Tim/Dwight/Kawhi/Neal/Blair/TJ. When you get the chance to get Dwight Howard, you've got a once in a lifetime center who will lead your franchise for the next ten years. You do what you can to get him.

[Obstructed_View]

Remember what people who never watched David Robinson play say about him, that he wasn't a hard worker, that he didn't step up in the playoffs, that he didn't have a post game, that he wasn't good enough to carry a team to a title? That's actually what Dwight Howard is. No, I wouldn't trade Tony Parker for the black Kevin Love.

[ElNono]

trollbait thread since the obvious answer is yes but I would hate doing it

:lol

[Kewni Leonard]

^ 'Twas a joke.

Of course you trade TP for Howard. I'd probably do it even if Howard didn't immediately sign an extension.

TBH most of the time I can't tell what is sarcasm on this forum. I think there are people here, with a lot of posts(so they probably actually watch games), that still wouldn't trade Parker for Howard.

[benefactor]

lol 19 people wouldn't do it. You greys never cease to deliver the goods.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Remember what people who never watched David Robinson play say about him, that he wasn't a hard worker, that he didn't step up in the playoffs, that he didn't have a post game, that he wasn't good enough to carry a team to a title? That's actually what Dwight Howard is. No, I wouldn't trade Tony Parker for the black Kevin Love.

holy hell what a fucking retard:lmao

[Seventyniner]

lol 19 people wouldn't do it. You greys never cease to deliver the goods.

Not all greys. I was the first one to vote and I put yes.

[z0sa]

lol 19 people wouldn't do it. You greys never cease to deliver the goods.

I voted hell no just to keep the trollin alive

errr

i mean yea LOL @ them grayboys

[MaNuMaNiAc]

In a fucking heart beat! and I love the dude.

PS. and just so the Parker nuthuggers don't start with this CoM bullshit, I'd trade Manu for Howard even faster! Are you kidding me??

[TDMVPDPOY]

d12 has no low post game besides dunkn on people, yet he cant even win games with that sort of effort and gamestyle against todays shit centers...

[velik_m]

Getting good point guard is hard, trading one away in the middle of a season is pure madness, if you plan to compete.

[velik_m]

In a fucking heart beat! and I love the dude.

PS. and just so the Parker nuthuggers don't start with this CoM bullshit, I'd trade Manu for Howard even faster! Are you kidding me??

Manu for Howard is a no brainer and i'm a big fan of Manu.

[GSH]

If nothing else, this thread and discussion underscores just how truly difficult it really is to put together a championship team. Makes me think about how stacked Miami was last year, and how that turned out.

And I have to admit, if I knew (like crystal ball kind of KNEW) that we would win it all with either player, I would rather have Tony. I know that's sort of admitting to being a homer, but what can I say? If somebody gets to raise another trophy, I'd rather see it be the Big 3 again. I wonder if the FO would do it the other way to sell more tickets?

[DMC]

So... Mortgaging the future.And that wouldn't even make the team better- i don't care how good Howard is. And Blair as the only big on the bench? Are you effin crazy?


You have to decide how you want to play it.

If you want to be a playoff team every year, but not a true contender, you stick with what you got.

If you want to be a contender at the risk of missing a couple playoff years, you have to make some moves, take some chances and maybe get a good 1st rounder.

It's hard to get where the Spurs are, damn near impossible as you see across the league, but that doesn't mean they are where they want to be.

[Goran Dragic]

Remember what people who never watched David Robinson play say about him, that he wasn't a hard worker, that he didn't step up in the playoffs, that he didn't have a post game, that he wasn't good enough to carry a team to a title? That's actually what Dwight Howard is. No, I wouldn't trade Tony Parker for the black Kevin Love.
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[jag]

Remember what people who never watched David Robinson play say about him, that he wasn't a hard worker, that he didn't step up in the playoffs, that he didn't have a post game, that he wasn't good enough to carry a team to a title? That's actually what Dwight Howard is. No, I wouldn't trade Tony Parker for the black Kevin Love.

I wouldn't trade Tony for the white Kevin Love, but I wouldn't think twice before trading Tony for the black Kevin Love. I'd also trade Manu for the black Kevin Love, but then again I'd trade Manu for the white Kevin Love.

That being said, ElNono should be slapped for making this thread. It breaks his heart to see Tony performing at a superstar level while Manu flails his broken bones around the court.

Edit: And oh yeah, The Admiral was an amazing player and an even better person. A true American hero.

[ElNono]

That being said, ElNono should be slapped for making this thread.

Why? Turned out to be a pretty good discussion I thought...

[jag]

Why? Turned out to be a pretty good discussion I thought...

:jack

[ElNono]

:jack

CoP fans can make their own poll, tbh

Haters gonna hate

[jag]

CoP fans can make their own poll, tbh

Haters gonna hate

CoP fans are secure in their fanhood and have far too much respect for Emanuel Ginobili to create such a poll.

[ElNono]

CoP fans are secure in their fanhood and have far too much respect for Emanuel Ginobili to create such a poll.

Taking this thread as some sort of slight to Parker tells us all we need to know about your "fanhood security" :lol

ElNono should be slapped for making this thread :cry :cry :cry

[Brazil]

Of course I'll do it... It would be a heart breaker though... but no way in hell you think twice...

Now the thread is retarded... Orlando would never do it... It's like saying would you trade Manu for let's say D. Rose won't happen

[Brazil]

Taking this thread as some sort of slight to Parker tells us all we need to know about your "fanhood security" :lol

ElNono should be slapped for making this thread :cry :cry :cry

The thread is retarded ElNono it is not even close to be an eventually... Now I take the idea as a compliment to TP.

[jag]

Taking this thread as some sort of slight to Parker tells us all we need to know about your "fanhood security" :lol

ElNono should be slapped for making this thread :cry :cry :cry

Slomo should visit your home or place of work and slap you for making this thread.

[Goran Dragic]

lol Brazil
lol France

[jag]

http://static.igossip.com/photos_2/august_2011/Eva_Longoria_article_CD.jpg

Stacks on stacks.... on stacks

[Brazil]

lol Brazil
lol France

lol Slovenia ?

[mercos]

Here is a good question for those who think this is a no brainer. How much better would the Spurs be after this trade than the 2009 Magic who went to the finals and lost? My memory of that team is a bit fuzzy, but I seem to recall them having a few decent players on the roster. I believe Jameer Nelson was even an All Star that year. Granted the Spurs have a better coach and system, but I'm curious to know if people think this roster would be that much better than the Magic roster.

[TDMVPDPOY]

this trade doesnt make sense if we dont get a pg back, means we have to go look for a new one in the draft, or sign vet like ford, or hopefully CJ pans out

[Kewni Leonard]

Here is a good question for those who think this is a no brainer. How much better would the Spurs be after this trade than the 2009 Magic who went to the finals and lost? My memory of that team is a bit fuzzy, but I seem to recall them having a few decent players on the roster. I believe Jameer Nelson was even an All Star that year. Granted the Spurs have a better coach and system, but I'm curious to know if people think this roster would be that much better than the Magic roster.

Yes. We have Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili.

[DMC]

Here is a good question for those who think this is a no brainer. How much better would the Spurs be after this trade than the 2009 Magic who went to the finals and lost? My memory of that team is a bit fuzzy, but I seem to recall them having a few decent players on the roster. I believe Jameer Nelson was even an All Star that year. Granted the Spurs have a better coach and system, but I'm curious to know if people think this roster would be that much better than the Magic roster.
Jameer was injured and Rafer Alston led the team for a while (and did well). I think the fact they bring back Nelson and bench Alston in the Finals is what hurt them tbh.

[DMC]

this trade doesnt make sense if we dont get a pg back, means we have to go look for a new one in the draft, or sign vet like ford, or hopefully CJ pans out
No.

If you had that front court, PGs would be lining up for the MLE to play here.

[will_spurs]

If you had that front court, PGs would be lining up for the MLE to play here.

The same guys who've been lining up to play in Orlando?

[024]

always trade a top PG for a top big. in this case it's a top 5 PG for the best big in the game. so... no brainer.

[Killakobe81]

This CoM vs. CoP stuff is reminiscent of the shaq/Kobe stuff.

Good thing it's only your fans and not the players that have beef, that was an ugly time as Laker fan. by the time we won the third leg of the 3 peat, that team wa sno fun to watch. Good for you guys Parker, Manu, duncan and Pop are more loyal to each other, than your fanbase ...

[benefactor]

Not all greys. I was the first one to vote and I put yes.
Grey is not necessarily limited to the color of the name. There are black named fans who bring the grey takes...and vice versa.

[Goran Dragic]

Grey is not necessarily limited to the color of the name. There are black named fans who bring the grey takes...and vice versa.
This. Obstructed_View for example has a black name and almost 30,000 posts while he's as grey as they come.

[ElNono]

This CoM vs. CoP stuff is reminiscent of the shaq/Kobe stuff.

Good thing it's only your fans and not the players that have beef, that was an ugly time as Laker fan. by the time we won the third leg of the 3 peat, that team wa sno fun to watch. Good for you guys Parker, Manu, duncan and Pop are more loyal to each other, than your fanbase ...

Exactly. Frankly, the fun is baiting grays on it. :lol

[Goran Dragic]

http://static.igossip.com/photos_2/august_2011/Eva_Longoria_article_CD.jpg

Stacks on stacks.... on stacks


Stack city, bitch

[z0sa]

spurstalk is so racist they even judge you by the color of your fucking name.

[Brazil]

This CoM vs. CoP stuff is reminiscent of the shaq/Kobe stuff.

Good thing it's only your fans and not the players that have beef, that was an ugly time as Laker fan. by the time we won the third leg of the 3 peat, that team wa sno fun to watch. Good for you guys Parker, Manu, duncan and Pop are more loyal to each other, than your fanbase ...

In all honesty I do think the actual CoM vs. CoP stuff is just for the ST folklore... I don't believe that there is anymore somebody wishing a spurs loss just to demonstrate a point when one of the two is missing except maybe uru and ElNono :lol and lefty but nobody is taking lefty seriously anyway

and I don't think there is such a thing like the CoP: never saw a so called CoP member not liking/loving Manu except ducks. CoM would say it is the ultimate proof Manu superiority:lol

[therealtruth]

Jameer was injured and Rafer Alston led the team for a while (and did well). I think the fact they bring back Nelson and bench Alston in the Finals is what hurt them tbh.

Alston was playing well. They should have stuck with what worked. Jameer was thrust into the lineup too quickly.

[DMC]

The same guys who've been lining up to play in Orlando?
Because Orlando has Tim Duncan, Howard and Splitter.

Makes sense.

[silverblk mystix]

:pop:"Hell NO! Matty would lose too many minutes and Dwight does not spread the floor, ...morons!"

[jag]

spurstalk is so racist they even judge you by the color of your fucking name.

...and so homophobic they judge you on the gayness of your posts. You specifically.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

In a heartbeat. If it was even just a rental there is no doubt in my mind the Spurs would win the title this year with Dwight. Between Tim, Dwight, and Splitter we would have the best bigs in the NBA. Add in Manu, Neal, Leonard, and Green and I see not team that would take us down. Imagine your starting lineup, C Howard, PF Duncan, F Leonard, G Manu, G Neal or Green.

[Obstructed_View]

Corey Joseph starting for the NBA champs. :lol

[DMC]

spurstalk is so racist they even judge you by the color of your fucking name.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IBj6ep1FN10/Tb7CLeuMwvI/AAAAAAAADP4/a7FwIReDIN4/s1600/Gay-Meter.jpg

[DAF86]

Under this circumstances (not knowing if Dwight will sign for us next season, Tony playing borderline MVP, not having a reliable PG after Tony on the squad, etc.) I wouldn't, tbh.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Corey Joseph starting for the NBA champs. :lol

we all seen what he can do in charity minutes...lmao

throwing more starters minutes to him, would that improve his game??


if d12 is complaining about his current team mates in orlando, what will he complain with when his starting pg is corey joseph?

[TheSullyMonster]

If I knew Dwight would stay and give it his all, yes. If he's gonna continue to mail it in here like he's doing in Orlando and jet in the off-season, nah.

Fuck, I don't care if he's half assing it. I'll take 20/15 with awesome D. Timmy and Manu can be the ballsy finishers.

[romain.star]

this trade doesnt make sense if we dont get a pg back, means we have to go look for a new one in the draft, or sign vet like ford, or hopefully CJ pans out

Are you implying we have a PG?

[mudyez]

Dont want to read all those 5 pages, but after all there are only like 3 players you wouldnt trade for D12 (and all of them are still debatebal). (KD, Rose, Bron)

All that assuming D12 will resign.

Would it make the Spurs better right now? Parker is our best player, but Twintowers reloaded with Manu at Playmaker isnt bad either. Tim and D12 would fit well next to each other...especially with our great shooters spacing the court.

And most importantly D12 gives us more of a future, than Parker does.

After all, its a deal you couldnt reject, but I have to agree, that TP is playing so well, that you at least can discuss it (like this threat shows).

[Pauleta14]

Would you guys trade Tony for Pau Gasol?


ps/ Not worth starting a new thread, but I'm really interested in you answers.

[mudyez]

no!...nince player...but right now worse than TP and a lesser fit (Splitter is doing fine and without TP there would be missing or main ballhandler).

[xapatan2]

CoP/CoM are all fucking stupid fads, we don't win in 03/05/07 without both of them and we all know that

This !

(sorry Sequ ...)

Xap'

[Darkwaters]

Hmmmm....

Dwight Howard
Tim Duncan
Kawhi Leonard
Manu Ginobili
Cory Joseph



Championship?

[BUMP]

Remember what people who never watched David Robinson play say about him, that he wasn't a hard worker, that he didn't step up in the playoffs, that he didn't have a post game, that he wasn't good enough to carry a team to a title? That's actually what Dwight Howard is. No, I wouldn't trade Tony Parker for the black Kevin Love.

:lmao

i had to actually see it with my own eyes

[howbouthemspurs]

This is a stupid poll

[kaji157]

Hmmmm....

Dwight Howard
Tim Duncan
Kawhi Leonard
Manu Ginobili
Cory Joseph



Championship?

Go look at what Howard took to the NBA Finals. Plus it would be Ginobili playing PG and Neal SG, switching on defense.

[bigfan]

Tony is our best player but Id do it. Easier to find a PG than a great big man. It will never happen though.

[ducks]

hell NO

[therealtruth]

D. Rob was a much better player than Howard. It's not even close. Better scorer, passer, defender, shot blocker, and smarter.

[Rapper]

Hell Dwight sucks

tony is running MVP this year~

[ElNono]

bump

[Obstructed_View]

Bump again, just for fun. The only person who still thinks Dwight is as great as most of the people in this thread did is Dwight.

[exstatic]

Bump again, just for fun. The only person who still thinks Dwight is as great as most of the people in this thread did is Dwight.
I sleep better knowing that our FO is far smarter than most of the internet fans.

[ElNono]

:lol det thread

[Juggity]

:lol everyone
:lol howard a broken cancer
:lol drove Kobe to an early retirement
:lol half the player he was in 2010
:lol embarrassed by a TOSB in the first round
:lol already 3 years past his prime at age 28

[exstatic]

Howard was a whiny, bitchy loser in ORLANDO, and that wasn't going to change no matter where he went.

[florige]

I wouldn't want that vagina on the Spurs period. To have him and D-Rob mentioned in the same sentence is laughable.

[Obstructed_View]

I wouldn't want that vagina on the Spurs period. To have him and D-Rob mentioned in the same sentence is laughable.

In fairness, I'm the one who mentioned him in the same sentence with David, but not to compare them in any way. There are sure a lot of people who thought it was ludicrous not to trade Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili for him though, but most of them root for the Mavericks.

[kuato]

http://pokecharms.com/data/attachment-files/2014/05/thumb/81505_grumpy_cat__nope_by_imwithstoopid13-d624kvl.jpg

[G-Dawgg]

Hell no. Dwight Howard is a douchebag... Didn't he recently get busted for hooking up with an underage girl in a hotel room?