Pls explain how Duncan is able to elevate the Spurs

[ChrisRichards]

Yet under Kobe's leadership, the Lakers are sinking fast?

The Lakers are a much more talented team. They have Gasol and Bynum who are better than Splitter and DeJuan Blair. I'd like to believe that Matt Barnes is a better player than Kawhi Leonard. Though Tony Parker and Neal are better than any Lakers PG/SG but Ginobili's absence at least even things out for the Lakers considering they have Kobe Bryant who is leading the league in scoring by shooting a bit much for my taste.



Kobe finally earned my respect last month but the man has been shooting a league high 24 FGA and a league low 37% for the month of February to get his 28 PPG so I feel a bit stupid now for defending him. I guess a leopard can't change its spots, and Kobe being a high volume shooter/chucker proves that he'll always be an overrated scorer in league history.



Anyway, I know Duncan has not been an All Star performer this year but it seems like his presence on the court brings a lot more value to his team despite of what boxscores suggests. Tonight is a prime example. Duncan shot aweful but he controlled the paint by grabbing 13 boards and keeping Deandre Jordan in check. Kobe could score 30 a game but his team suffers in return.



This is my short but very unbias assessment. Lakers, Spurs fans. Please chime in and give us your perspective.

Thanks,

[Giuseppe]

Fine,,,

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

DUNCAN: 1

[ChrisRichards]

Anyone else, besides Cap'n Crunch here?

[Giuseppe]

Please. My shit is the only thing that matters. You Spurs fans always gettin' your jollies with the bells & whistles. It don't mean shit.

[pass1st]

Explain how a 1st seed gets buttraped by an 8th seed.

[Giuseppe]

Explain how a 1st seed gets buttraped by an 8th seed.

Me & Pass, Shoulder-to-Shoulder. Mother withstanding.

[GB20]

Explain how a 1st seed gets buttraped by an 8th seed.

i want to see how Kobe does playing with a broken arm against last year Memphis's team in the first round. what do you think pass1st, could the lakers had beaten memphis?

[DeadlyDynasty]

i want to see how Kobe does playing with a broken arm against last year Memphis's team in the first round. what do you think pass1st, could the lakers had beaten memphis?

Because a healthy Manu stops two lard-asses from taking a wet shit all over Duncan...

[Arcadian]

Yet under Kobe's leadership, the Lakers are sinking fast?

The Lakers are a much more talented team. They have Gasol and Bynum who are better than Splitter and DeJuan Blair. I'd like to believe that Matt Barnes is a better player than Kawhi Leonard. Though Tony Parker and Neal are better than any Lakers PG/SG but Ginobili's absence at least even things out for the Lakers considering they have Kobe Bryant who is leading the league in scoring by shooting a bit much for my taste.



Kobe finally earned my respect last month but the man has been shooting a league high 24 FGA and a league low 37% for the month of February to get his 28 PPG so I feel a bit stupid now for defending him. I guess a leopard can't change its spots, and Kobe being a high volume shooter/chucker proves that he'll always be an overrated scorer in league history.



Anyway, I know Duncan has not been an All Star performer this year but it seems like his presence on the court brings a lot more value to his team despite of what boxscores suggests. Tonight is a prime example. Duncan shot aweful but he controlled the paint by grabbing 13 boards and keeping Deandre Jordan in check. Kobe could score 30 a game but his team suffers in return.



This is my short but very unbias assessment. Lakers, Spurs fans. Please chime in and give us your perspective.

Thanks,

I like the way you think! I agree completely.

[Giuseppe]

Because a healthy Manu stops two lard-asses from taking a wet shit all over Duncan...

And aside from EC I like the way he thinks.

[GB20]

Because a healthy Manu stops two lard-asses from taking a wet shit all over Duncan...

ginobli got hurt two days before the playoff started and pop could not adjust without his best player out against the hottest team in the NBA last year.

[pass1st]

i want to see how Kobe does playing with a broken arm against last year Memphis's team in the first round. what do you think pass1st, could the lakers had beaten memphis?

Explain and I'll gladly answer

[JamStone]

Kobe has always been a selfish chucker and volume scorer. I don't see why he would change now.

I will say this about about Kobe's high FGAs this season. When people criticize that he's taking away shots from Pau and Bynum, it's short sighted. Pau is averaging almost exactly the same amount of FGA as last season and slightly more than he has since he's become a Laker. Bynum is averaging the most FGA in his career, almost 5 more shots than last season. Kobe isn't necessarily taking shots away from Pau and Bynum. With the loss of Odom and Shannon Brown, he's making up for their scoring. He's taking away shots from guys like World Peace and Fisher. And that's probably a good thing. After Kobe, Pau, and Bynum, the rest of the Lakers are a sorry bunch of offensive players.

[DPG21920]

Jam, those additional shots should be going to Bynum and Pau. So even though Pau is getting his avg shot attempts and Bynum is getting more because of more minutes, they should be even higher; it shouldn't just be Kobe's fg attempts making up for Odom's absence.

[midnightpulp]

He's simply a better all-around basketball player than Kirby.

[Proxy]

Both players can elevate their teams in signature fashion at this point in their respective careers. Kobe hasn't lost as much as Timmy, but they're both mortal now.

[Giuseppe]

Both players can elevate their teams in signature fashion at this point in their respective careers. Kobe hasn't lost as much as Timmy, but they're both mortal now.

...all that remains is cogently stated in Post #2.

[Kewni Leonard]

What is there to explain? Duncan has, and always will be better than Kobe, without question.

[Rummpd]

Kobe is shooting about 41% the last ten games and if he does not get more efficient or feed the bigs more (or the Lakers acquire a true PG with skill) Lakers are not going to win the West. However if he gets on a roll watch out in the playoffs.

Meanwhile, Duncan (whose PER of 21.38 is not far behind top centers in the West) is not shooting well this year and that is one part of his game he can elevate [and needs to if Spurs to stay near the top of the West or have a chance to win]. He has been getting a lot of double doubles but cannot turn it on as consistently as Bryant these days and it is Parker really carrying the Spurs.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/215/tim-duncan


http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/110/kobe-bryant

[Black&Silver]

if you wouldnt trade duncan for kobe straight up you are delusional.

[mercos]

The two teams fates are not tied to Duncan and Kobe at the moment. The Spurs are being led by Tony Parker this year. He has far and away been the team's MVP. The Lakers struggles have not been due to Kobe, they have been due to a lack of depth and athleticism. The Lakers are weak at the point guard position, and right now we are in the golden era of point guards. Not a good time to be weak in that area when night in and night out you are facing elite competition. The Spurs have a better record than the Lakers right now mostly due to their vastly superior bench.

[ChrisRichards]

Kobe has always been a selfish chucker and volume scorer. I don't see why he would change now.

I will say this about about Kobe's high FGAs this season. When people criticize that he's taking away shots from Pau and Bynum, it's short sighted. Pau is averaging almost exactly the same amount of FGA as last season and slightly more than he has since he's become a Laker. Bynum is averaging the most FGA in his career, almost 5 more shots than last season. Kobe isn't necessarily taking shots away from Pau and Bynum. With the loss of Odom and Shannon Brown, he's making up for their scoring. He's taking away shots from guys like World Peace and Fisher. And that's probably a good thing. After Kobe, Pau, and Bynum, the rest of the Lakers are a sorry bunch of offensive players.


I think their role players could use a few more touches. The rest of the Lakers offense are stagnant simply because Kobe is ball dominant and its hard to get rhythm when you shoot once in every 12 possessions. Matt Barnes, Troy Murphy, Steve Blake and even, dare I say it, Fisher are all rhythm players. They need a few shots to get it going. Its no secret when they get a lot of touches, these players delivers. Case in point, Fisher beating the Mavericks last month by hitting clutch shots one after another.



What I see lately with the Lakers is the distribution of shots are so unbalanced. In a typical 12 possession offensive stretch, Kobe shoots 6 times, Bynum and Gasol shoots 4 times combined, so this leaves the rest of the team a chance to shoot twice, when Gasol is on the bench, Kobe becomes a lot more aggressive. So we can imagine why the rest of the role players couldn't hit a jumper even if their life depends on it.



Jam, those additional shots should be going to Bynum and Pau. So even though Pau is getting his avg shot attempts and Bynum is getting more because of more minutes, they should be even higher; it shouldn't just be Kobe's fg attempts making up for Odom's absence.

Bingo! Bynum has shown he can be a consistent 20 point scorer given a chance. But he barely cracks 16ppg because of his lack of touches.

[ChrisRichards]

The two teams fates are not tied to Duncan and Kobe at the moment. The Spurs are being led by Tony Parker this year. He has far and away been the team's MVP. The Lakers struggles have not been due to Kobe, they have been due to a lack of depth and athleticism. The Lakers are weak at the point guard position, and right now we are in the golden era of point guards. Not a good time to be weak in that area when night in and night out you are facing elite competition. The Spurs have a better record than the Lakers right now mostly due to their vastly superior bench.

While this is partially true, I have reasons to believe that if Duncan goes down, the Spurs may be -2 or 3 in the win column. If Kobe goes down, I think the Lakers will stay on course if not, they may even snag a few more W's simply because the offense will run better.

[Eddie Murphy]

alotta stupid mothafuckras itt

[mercos]

While this is partially true, I have reasons to believe that if Duncan goes down, the Spurs may be -2 or 3 in the win column. If Kobe goes down, I think the Lakers will stay on course if not, they may even snag a few more W's simply because the offense will run better.


The Spurs would suffer without Duncan, but they had Splitter to back him up and he has shown more efficiency in the low post than Duncan has. Take Kobe away from the Lakers and they have no backcourt scoring. Having two bigs is nice, but if you have no 3 point shooting to keep the defense honest they would just collapse the paint and double Bynum and Gasol every time they touched the ball. Right now the Lakers would be a lottery team without Kobe.

[ChrisRichards]

The Spurs would suffer without Duncan, but they had Splitter to back him up and he has shown more efficiency in the low post than Duncan has. Take Kobe away from the Lakers and they have no backcourt scoring. Having two bigs is nice, but if you have no 3 point shooting to keep the defense honest they would just collapse the paint and double Bynum and Gasol every time they touched the ball. Right now the Lakers would be a lottery team without Kobe.

Goudelock has shown he can be a reliable scorer. He was averaging around 10 pointe per contest in a very liited role. I see the Lakers staying alfloat in the West despite of Kobe's absence. 76ers and the Nuggets before Gallinari went down, were prime examples this year that teams without a 30 ppg scorer can win.

[Kewni Leonard]

Kobe fans = casual fans that know little-to-nothing about the game.

[Giuseppe]

I know one thing:::

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

UNCAN: 1

[WeNeedLength]

I know one thing:::

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

UNCAN: 1


Can I make it onto this list? A nice "WNL: 4" would suffice.

[Giuseppe]

^the shit bag represents all of you Spurs fellows.

[WeNeedLength]

^the shit bag represents all of you Spurs fellows.

It's just so boring I thought I could liven it up is all.

Continue your boring shtick ya damn parrot...

:blah

Oh and you're going to get crushed in Round 3 of the contest, just a heads up. :lol

[Giuseppe]

Oh and you're going to get crushed in Round 3 of the contest, just a heads up. :lol

I'm not going to play unless The Princess puts up a virtual kiss as the prize.

[WeNeedLength]

I'm not going to play unless The Princess puts up a virtual kiss as the prize.

Weak.

[ChrisRichards]

Giuseppe, who pissed in your wheaties this morning?

[Giuseppe]

I woke up on the wrong side of the couch.

[dbreiden83080]

No Phil Jackson..

Inmates running the asylum..

[Giuseppe]

..though it was Pop who had to pine shine Duncan to get him to act like somebody.

[WeNeedLength]

..though it was Pop who had to pine shine Duncan to get him to act like somebody.

This is one of your weakest lines tbh...

[Killakobe81]

Maybe your trolling, but if not this is a dumbass thread ...Parker pis doing all the elevating on the Spurs

[Giuseppe]

This is one of your weakest lines tbh...

...I don't have the benefit of Media marking the spot before I did. There ain't no % in south Texas like there is in Los Angeles.

[Leetonidas]

This is one of your weakest lines tbh...

Yeah tbh pretty weak coming from Cubby he briefly regained form and has one again devolved into parroting :depressed

[Giuseppe]

^You should go and cry to the MVP's, or the EC, Lee. Seein' how it's gettin' on to month's end and all.

[DAF86]

if you wouldnt trade duncan for kobe straight up you are delusional.

If the Spurs trade Duncan for Kobe straight up, they become a worse team.

[Kewni Leonard]

Maybe your trolling, but if not this is a dumbass thread ...Parker pis doing all the elevating on the Spurs

You are right. Tim Duncan does not have a PER of 21+ at age 35.

[Killakobe81]

You are right. Tim Duncan does not have a PER of 21+ at age 35.

How about u elevate the quality of your posts? Duncan's a great leader and props on the per, but Tony still leading this win streak

[Bonner4MVPzz]

Kobe fanbois- "Thats not true :("

[Kewni Leonard]

How about u elevate the quality of your posts? Duncan's a great leader and props on the per, but Tony still leading this win streak

You are right. Tim Duncan is not the defensive anchor of this team. Tony Parker is. He is a defensive stopper.

[Leetonidas]

^You should go and cry to the MVP's, or the EC, Lee. Seein' how it's gettin' on to month's end and all.

Only pussies & assholes cry to the EC

[Giuseppe]

Only pussies & assholes cry to the EC

UNCAN comes to mind.