US Crossing and Ts and Dotting the I's for War with Iran

[Nbadan]

Worst kept secret ever...

Nobody wants war with Iran, except AIPAC and Big oil, and for Senator's Lieberman and others, that's enough....



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This comes after US agreed to back a UN resolution to back the UN in military use of force against IRAN

[Wild Cobra]

Worst kept secret ever...

Nobody wants war with Iran, except AIPAC and Big oil, and for Senator's Lieberman and others, that's enough....



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This comes after US agreed to back a UN resolution to back the UN in military use of force against IRAN
LOL...

If Big oil wants such a war, it would be to reduce foreign imports making oil more expensive via supply and demand. Not because they want their oil. In reality, I don't see big oil backing this. They already have comfortable profits. I guess it's possible, but they stand to lose as many assets I bet as what they would receive in extra profits.

Keeping Iran from getting nuclear weapons is simply the right thing to do. It really appears they are trying to bring the 12th Imam to this world.

[Wild Cobra]

If we are going to devote military to this cause, then in my view, we need to train the Israeli soldiers on some of our toys, and give them some. Obama as commander in Chief will just fuck up this type of command.

[mingus]

Time to quit talking and bomb Iran's nuclear sites. I believe they are sick enough and dumb enough to use a nuke if/when they get it. I don't see the point in waiting.

[Wild Cobra]

Time to quit talking and bomb Iran's nuclear sites. I believe they are sick enough and dumb enough to use a nuke if/when they get it. I don't see the point in waiting.
Agreed. i think Israel will take care of tyhem, and we should only take action if Israel asks for our help.

Just my opinion. I see no sense in this president trying something this sensitive, and blowing it.

[mingus]

Agreed. i think Israel will take care of tyhem, and we should only take action if Israel asks for our help.

Just my opinion. I see no sense in this president trying something this sensitive, and blowing it.

Israel should and will do it. It is immenent. We will play some kind of role in it whether Israel wants it or not. Not that I agree with it, but history shows we like to get ours hands dirty.

[Halberto]

Using the same logic we had 10 years ago, this would be a no brainer. Iran with nukes is way more dangerous than Saddam with nukes. Our country is in no shape financially to do this on our own. I would honestly leave them alone until we get our shit together (even if that takes decades).

[mercos]

I think chances of a war are going down, not up. I don't believe the administration is willing to risk open war in the middle east with gas prices this high. Especially not in an election year. I believe the administration is probably placing heavy pressure on the Israelis behind the scenes to give sanctions more time.

[boutons_deux]

US/UK oilcos were kicked out of Iran, like they were kicked out of Iraq. Both countries' oilcos desperately want to get at Iraq's oil. No matter how many $100Bs in oilco profits, the oilcos are NEVER satisfied.

Iran-with-nukes is just smokescreen, since everybody knows, esp the mullahs, that Iran would be obliterated along with whomever to Iran's first nuke. Guaranteed suicide.

M.A.D. keep the nuclear war from happening.


US warriors are being pushed by the oilcos and neo-cons, and of course, the MIC would suck in $100Bs in taxpayers' wealth. MIC/oilco gain, Human-Americans' pain and poverty.

[boutons_deux]

Another March to War?


CNN’s house blockhead, the Goldman-trained ex-finance professional Erin Burnett, came out with a doozie of a broadcast yesterday, a Rumsfeldian jeremiad against the Iranian threat would have fit beautifully in the Saddam’s-sending-drones-at-New-York halcyon days of late 2002. Here’s how the excellent Glenn Greenwald described Burnett’s rant:

It’s the sort of thing you would produce if you set out to create a mean-spirited parody of mindless, war-hungry, fear-mongering media stars, but you wouldn’t dare go this far because you’d want the parody to have a feel of realism to it, and this would be way too extreme to be believable. She really hauled it all out: WMDs! Terrorist sleeper cells in the U.S. controlled by Tehran! Iran’s long-range nuclear missiles reaching our homeland!!!! She almost made the anti-Muslim war-mongering fanatic she brought on to interview, Rep. Peter King, appear sober and reasonable by comparison.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/another-march-to-war-20120217#ixzz1mqRpqwEd

[Ozzy]

I am just wondering if anyone behind this idea has given any consideration to the fact that Olympic games will be held in London this year?

[boutons_deux]

I'm think the English might be aware that London is hosting the Olympics.

Iran Suspends Shipments of Oil to Britain and France

PARIS — Iran’s government on Sunday ordered a halt to oil exports to Britain and France, in what may be only an initial response to the European Union’s decision to cut off Iranian oil imports and freeze central bank assets beginning in July.

Britain and France depend little on Iranian oil, however, so their targeting may be a mostly symbolic act, a function of the strong positions the two nations have taken in trying to halt Iranian nuclear enrichment and to bring pressure to bear on Syria, one of Iran’s closest allies.

Iran may also be reluctant, when its economy has been damaged by existing sanctions, to deprive itself of revenues from its larger European customers. At the same time, it may be seeking to divide the 27-nation European Union between those who depend on Iranian oil and those who do not.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/world/middleeast/iran-halts-oil-shipments-to-britain-and-france.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

[NewcastleKEG]

LOL...

If Big oil wants such a war, it would be to reduce foreign imports making oil more expensive via supply and demand. Not because they want their oil. In reality, I don't see big oil backing this. They already have comfortable profits. I guess it's possible, but they stand to lose as many assets I bet as what they would receive in extra profits.

Keeping Iran from getting nuclear weapons is simply the right thing to do. It really appears they are trying to bring the 12th Imam to this world.
Link?

Otherwise America is about to invade it's 3rd country in a decade. Someone stop us from us

[NewcastleKEG]

If we are going to devote military to this cause, then in my view, we need to train the Israeli soldiers on some of our toys, and give them some. Obama as commander in Chief will just fuck up this type of command.
Not trying to pick on you but are you knowledge at all on this matter?

We hand Israel billions of dollars each year including military. They ALREADY have all our shit

[NewcastleKEG]

Time to quit talking and bomb Iran's nuclear sites. I believe they are sick enough and dumb enough to use a nuke if/when they get it. I don't see the point in waiting.
LOL !

''Let's just bomb them because we don't like them''. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to see you suit up and go fight Iran yourself

[NewcastleKEG]

Israel should and will do it. It is immenent. We will play some kind of role in it whether Israel wants it or not. Not that I agree with it, but history shows we like to get ours hands dirty.
Why should Israel randomly bomb another country again?

Aren't you crying about the treat of Iran bombing Israel & your solution is for Israel to bomb them?

Hypocrisy runs rampant in this thread

[Winehole23]

http://paktribune.com/news/Attacking-Iran-will-be-premature-US-commander-247658.html

[Winehole23]

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/17/watch-gps-martin-dempsey-on-syria-iran-and-china/

[Winehole23]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9091566/William-Hague-warns-Israel-over-Iran-military-action.html

[Wild Cobra]

Not trying to pick on you but are you knowledge at all on this matter?

We hand Israel billions of dollars each year including military. They ALREADY have all our shit
Yes, I know that. I just don't know the inventory or dollar amount. My point is we should stay clear of this in the man power department. If Israel doesn't have a B2 bomber, lets give or loan them some for example. Same with the newest cruise missiles technology we have.

[mingus]

LOL !

''Let's just bomb them because we don't like them''. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to see you suit up and go fight Iran yourself

What do I have to do with anything?

I dislike a lot of countries and wouldn't bomb them. Iran has threatened to nuke Israel. I do not take their threats lightly.

[mingus]

Why should Israel randomly bomb another country again?

Aren't you crying about the treat of Iran bombing Israel & your solution is for Israel to bomb them?

Hypocrisy runs rampant in this thread

Israel is reacting to Iran.

[NewcastleKEG]

Israel is reacting to Iran.
Chicken or the Egg argument

History has proven Israel has reacted like a drunken teenager and pre-emptive striked before (6-days War)

[Wild Cobra]

Chicken or the Egg argument

History has proven Israel has reacted like a drunken teenager and pre-emptive striked before (6-days War)
As long as Iran continues to threaten Israel, they are perfectly within their rights to attack.

[Halberto]

US/UK oilcos were kicked out of Iran, like they were kicked out of Iraq. Both countries' oilcos desperately want to get at Iraq's oil. No matter how many $100Bs in oilco profits, the oilcos are NEVER satisfied.

Iran-with-nukes is just smokescreen, since everybody knows, esp the mullahs, that Iran would be obliterated along with whomever to Iran's first nuke. Guaranteed suicide.

M.A.D. keep the nuclear war from happening.


US warriors are being pushed by the oilcos and neo-cons, and of course, the MIC would suck in $100Bs in taxpayers' wealth. MIC/oilco gain, Human-Americans' pain and poverty.

I don't know what your deal is with oil companies, they seem to be your scapegoat with everything that is wrong with the world. In reality you know nothing and see only what you want in order to confirm your super liberal beliefs. Bottom line is that oil companies are far from desperately wanting foreign oil.

[NewcastleKEG]

As long as Iran continues to threaten Israel, they are perfectly within their rights to attack.
:lol

Cuban Missile Crisis much?


If Israel attacks Iran then i expect America & the rest of the International community to in return attack Israel

[Wild Cobra]

:lol

Cuban Missile Crisis much?


If Israel attacks Iran then i expect America & the rest of the International community to in return attack Israel
No, it's different. Top Iranian officials speak of wiping Israel off the map.

[Wild Cobra]

Maybe this one speech of several statements their president made will help:

Text of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Speech (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?ex=1161230400&en=26f07fc5b7543417&ei=5070)

part of link:


Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime [Israel] has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world. But we must be aware of tricks.

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I warn all leaders of the Islamic world that they should be aware of this trick. Anyone who recognizes this regime because of the pressure of the World oppressor, or because of naiveté or selfishness, will be eternally disgraced and will burn in the fury of the Islamic nations.

Those who are sitting in closed rooms cannot decide for the Islamic nation and cannot allow this historical enemy to exist in the heart of the Islamic world.

[Halberto]

You have to wonder if they are just making empty threats. Would they really nuke Israel and destroy the land they deem holy just to purge the Jews? Seems a little ridiculous, but middle eastern logic always is.

[EVAY]

Whoever imagines that we can afford another war?

[TeyshaBlue]

Whoever imagines that we can afford another war?

No sane person. However, when has affordability ever been a consideration?

[mercos]

The more headlines that come out, the more I think war will not happen this summer. It looks to me like this a final round of posturing by the Israelies to bring Iran back to the negotiating table, and it appears to have worked. I have no doubt that if Israel discovers without doubt that Iran has made the decision to move forward with the production of a nuclear weapon they will strike. Unfortunately this is how most experts believe you have to negotiate with Iran. You have to beat them in a pissing contest.

[boutons_deux]

what the US and AIPAC hate is their loss in power to bully and invade Iran, to silence Iran from saying crazy shit about Israel.

They know if Iran has the bomb, there won't be any nuking, but the US and AIPAC won't be able to dictate and bully Iran, like the West can't bully nukular NK.

[Borat Sagyidev]

So many of you have your head in the sand. Many in Iran and even their undemocratically elected govt official do not want war with Israel but diplomacy. Persians and Jews have an extensive history of cooperation more than a millenia in time.

The real guy running these antisemitic remarks and agenda is the Ayatollah. In 2008, he basically told government to end debate on Israel, after many officials had said they do not want war, but cooperation. phttp://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/20/world/fg-iran20



Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who is Iran's top political and military figure, said his country's hostility to Israel extended beyond the government to the Israeli people as well. In saying so, he was brushing aside recent overtures by top Iranian officials to the Israeli public.....
The comments came amid a controversy in Iran over remarks attributed to an Iranian official close to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei, a vice president in charge of tourism, was quoted in a July interview as saying that Iranians were friends with the Israeli people, despite the conflict between the governments.

Religious conflict is being used as a scapegoat.

The real war is about money and debt.
Start off with this
http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Hand-American-Hegemony-International/dp/080142884X

[NewcastleKEG]

Maybe this one speech of several statements their president made will help:

Text of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Speech (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?ex=1161230400&en=26f07fc5b7543417&ei=5070)

part of link:
- How long ago was that?
- He said regime NOT nation/people
- Israel has also threatened AND MOST IMPORTANTLY actually openly have the technology & means to attack

[NewcastleKEG]

The more headlines that come out, the more I think war will not happen this summer. It looks to me like this a final round of posturing by the Israelies to bring Iran back to the negotiating table, and it appears to have worked. I have no doubt that if Israel discovers without doubt that Iran has made the decision to move forward with the production of a nuclear weapon they will strike. Unfortunately this is how most experts believe you have to negotiate with Iran. You have to beat them in a pissing contest.
WTF does Iran have to negotiate with Israel?

Israel HAS nukes
Iran WANTS nukes

Who the fuck said Israel should have nukes in the first place......stupid ass America

[NewcastleKEG]

So many of you have your head in the sand. Many in Iran and even their undemocratically elected govt official do not want war with Israel but diplomacy. Persians and Jews have an extensive history of cooperation more than a millenia in time.

The real guy running these antisemitic remarks and agenda is the Ayatollah. In 2008, he basically told government to end debate on Israel, after many officials had said they do not want war, but cooperation. phttp://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/20/world/fg-iran20



Religious conflict is being used as a scapegoat.

The real war is about money and debt.
Start off with this
http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Hand-American-Hegemony-International/dp/080142884X
So essentially Ayatollah is doing the same exact thing Bush did during his ''Axis of Evil'' speech

[Nbadan]

Our own defense secretary has admitted that Iran is not currently producing a nuclear weapon, but that not what bombing Iran is about, just like WMDs was not what attacking Iraq was about...

Panetta says Iran enriching uranium but no decision yet on proceeding with a nuclear weapon
By Associated Press, Published: February 16


WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Thursday that U.S. intelligence shows Iran is enriching uranium in a disputed nuclear program but that Tehran has not made a decision on whether to proceed with development of an atomic bomb.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/panetta-says-iran-enriching-uranium-but-not-decision-yet-on-proceeding-with-a-nuclear-weapon/2012/02/16/gIQATK8zHR_story.html

[Nbadan]

The Israeli press....


The Israeli view is that while Iran continues to improve its nuclear capabilities, it has not yet decided whether to translate these capabilities into a nuclear weapon - or, more specifically, a nuclear warhead mounted atop a missile.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/barak-israel-very-far-off-from-decision-on-iran-attack-1.407953

[NewcastleKEG]

I wouldn't blame Iran wanting the bomb, with all the threats Israel (neighbor in the region) is using (they have the bomb)

[Nbadan]

Meanwhile, any of this sound familiar?

Mohammed Atta met Saddam prior to September 11: US official
Sept 8, 2002



MILAN, Sept 8 (AFP) - Mohammed Atta consulted Saddam Hussein prior to leading the suicide attacks on the World Trade Center on September 11, according to Richard Perle, an advisor to the US defense secretary.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746675/posts

[Nbadan]

I wouldn't blame Iran wanting the bomb, with all the threats Israel (neighbor in the region) is using (they have the bomb)

Iran will fight a asymmetrical war if attacked, attack the American and European economies by attacking the supply lines of oil in the middle east...that is the real reason we are seeing oil prices skyrocket...

[Nbadan]

This is also why I believe Wall Street insiders are selling at a face rate

The money signs are saying this will happen..

[Nbadan]

Progressive hating, Glennn Greenwald writes...


The latest episode being used to fuel the flames of war are two attacks yesterday on Israeli diplomats: one in India and one in Georgia. The headline in The Washington Post tells you all you need to know about how these attacks are being used: “Israel blames Iran for India and Georgia bombing attempts; Tehran denies role.” As Juan Cole points out, Indian investigators do not believe Iran was responsible, though he writes that “American media just parrot” the accusations against Iran by Israeli officials. We’ll likely never know who was actually responsible, though what is clear is that the attacks are being instantly exploited by Israel-devoted neocons to further depict Iran as a Grave Menace (Jennifer Rubin, Washington Post: if Iran is responsible, it’s “one more piece of data that Iran is growing ever bolder and more aggressive”), all without noting the glaring irony that the mode of attack in India is virtually identical to the one used to kill numerous Iranian scientists (“a magnetic bomb was slapped onto [the] car by a passing motorcyclist”). One thing is crystal clear, as macgupta put it in the comment section: “In any case, no matter who the perpetrators are, these attacks are a sign that we are moving closer to a war with Iran.”

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/14/us_media_takes_the_lead_on_iran/singleton/

[NewcastleKEG]

Progressive hating, Glennn Greenwald writes...



http://www.salon.com/2012/02/14/us_media_takes_the_lead_on_iran/singleton/
Couldn't agree with him anymore

[Jacob1983]

According to America, Israel is good and Iran is bad. Palestine is bad too.

[Wild Cobra]

According to America, Israel is good and Iran is bad. Palestine is bad too.
Any red blooded American would agree.

[ChumpDumper]

What makes Israel good, WC?

[Halberto]

Give him some time as he sifts through his republican handbook for an answer.

[NewcastleKEG]

According to America, Israel is good and Iran is bad. Palestine is bad too.
No one ever accused Americans as a whole of being educated, historically & globally informed.