View Full Version : A Chink in His Armor
Wild Cobra
02-22-2012, 03:07 AM
Need I say more?
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 06:10 AM
Since we don't want to know, no.
jack sommerset
02-22-2012, 08:57 AM
That was very insensitive of one of the writers for espn for using that as a headline. Forgiveness is a beautiful form of love and I forgive him. I do understand why he lost his job but without forgiveness there is no love and no future.
God bless
George Gervin's Afro
02-22-2012, 09:17 AM
Need I say more?
please don't
Halberto
02-22-2012, 09:52 AM
That was very insensitive of one of the writers for espn for using that as a headline. Forgiveness is a beautiful form of love and I forgive him. I do understand why he lost his job but without forgiveness there is no love and no future.
God bless
Amen. People make mistakes, this guy didn't need to lose his job/career. "Chink in the armor" is a very common phrase and it shouldn't be too hard to imagine that it could have been an honest mistake.
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 11:52 AM
When the Spurs play the Knicks Tony Parker will be all over Lin like white on rice.
clambake
02-22-2012, 11:59 AM
"cc, please come to my office"
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 12:02 PM
"cc, please come to my office"
:lol
DarrinS
02-22-2012, 12:03 PM
Reminds me of this
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cheguevara
02-22-2012, 12:05 PM
Amen. People make mistakes, this guy didn't need to lose his job/career. "Chink in the armor" is a very common phrase and it shouldn't be too hard to imagine that it could have been an honest mistake.
:lol believing it was an honest mistake
ESPN headlines are known to make jokes.
This guy tried to be funny on purpose but either is a blatant racist or too stupid to realize his headline is racist.
Either way, he doesn't deserve the job.
DarrinS
02-22-2012, 12:09 PM
:lol believing it was an honest mistake
ESPN headlines are known to make jokes.
This guy tried to be funny on purpose but either is a blatant racist or too stupid to realize his headline is racist.
Either way, he doesn't deserve the job.
The dude who wrote it is married to an Asian woman. Guess he hates his wife, too.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 01:01 PM
The dude who wrote it is married to an Asian woman. Guess he hates his wife, too.Different guy.
TeyshaBlue
02-22-2012, 01:12 PM
"cc, please come to my office"
:nope
:lol
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 01:27 PM
Seriously, to a certain extent Floyd Mayweather was right. Most of the excitement is because he is asian-american. That and it's happening in New York.
Winehole23
02-22-2012, 01:28 PM
most of the excitement is because numbers don't lie, tbh.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 01:31 PM
Seriously, to a certain extent Floyd Mayweather was right. Most of the excitement is because he is asian-american. That and it's happening in New York.Well, you'll certainly celebrate if a white man becomes president this year, right?
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 01:34 PM
most of the excitement is because numbers don't lie, tbh.
Sure don't...from NBA.com
Jeremy Linn
2011-12 Statistics
PPG 14.6
RPG 2.70
APG 5.7
EFF+ 14.58
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 01:36 PM
Comparison...Dwayne Wade
2011-12 Statistics
PPG 22.4
RPG 4.30
APG 4.8
EFF+ 22.46
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 01:36 PM
Sure don't...from NBA.com
Jeremy Linn
2011-12 Statistics
PPG 14.6
RPG 2.70
APG 5.7
EFF+ 14.58It's amazing how disingenuous you can be.
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 01:38 PM
Well, you'll certainly celebrate if a white man becomes president this year, right?
Need some more straw? I've still got a few round bales in the barn.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 01:39 PM
Need some more straw? I've still got a few round bales in the barn.You'll celebrate.
Not my fault you got all sensitive about the reason you inferred.
RandomGuy
02-22-2012, 01:40 PM
Interesting take on Linn from the Economist.
Basically, Linn represents a huge political problem for the Chinese government. :lol
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China's new sports problem
Stop the Linsanity?
EARLY this morning—for viewers in China—the New York Knicks of the new Taiwanese-American hero Jeremy Lin played against the Dallas Mavericks and with them China’s current standard-bearer in the NBA: the 7-foot-tall Yi Jianlian, a high draft pick who has proven a disappointment in America. Mr Yi's Mavericks lost the game, 104-97, but the bigger loser was Chinese soft power.
Mr Lin has quickly amassed a huge following among Chinese basketball fans (and this country does love basketball). This poses a bit of a conundrum for Chinese authorities for a number of reasons. The most obvious is that Mr Lin is an American who is proudly of Taiwanese descent, which would seem to complicate China’s efforts to claim him (and oh how they have tried already—on which, more below).
But there are three other reasons Mr Lin’s stardom could fluster the authorities. First, he is very openly Christian, and the Communist Party is deeply wary of the deeply religious (notably on those within its own ranks). Second, he is not a big centre or forward, the varietals which are the chief mainland Chinese export to the NBA, including the Mavericks’ Mr Yi; and of course he came out of nowhere to become a star, having been educated at the most prestigious university in America, Harvard.
Mr Lin is, put plainly, precisely everything that China’s state sport system cannot possibly produce. If Mr Lin were to have been born and raised in China, his height alone might have denied him entry into China’s sport machine, as Time’s Hannah Beech points out: “Firstly, at a mere 6’3”—relatively short by basketball standards—Lin might not have registered with Chinese basketball scouts, who in their quest for suitable kids to funnel into the state sport system are obsessed with height over any individual passion for hoops.” Even when Mr Lin was still a young boy, one look at his parents, each of unremarkable stature, would have made evaluators sceptical. Ms Beech’s other half happens to be Brook Larmer, the author of the fascinating book “Operation Yao Ming”, which details how Chinese authorities contrived to create China’s most successful basketball star, Mr Yao, the product of tall parents who were themselves Chinese national basketball team players. The machine excels at identifying, processing and churning out physical specimens—and it does so exceedingly well for individual sports, as it will again prove in London this year. But it happens to lack the nuance and creativity necessary for team sport.
What of Mr Lin’s faith? If by chance Mr Lin were to have gained entry into the sport system, he would not have emerged a Christian, at least not openly so. China has tens of millions of Christians, and officially tolerates Christianity; but the Communist Party bars religion from its membership and institutions, and religion has no place in its sport model. One does not see Chinese athletes thanking God for their gifts; their coach and Communist Party leaders, yes, but Jesus Christ the Saviour? No.
Then there is the fact that Mr Lin’s parents probably never would have allowed him anywhere near the Chinese sport system in the first place. This is because to put one’s child (and in China, usually an only child at that) in the sport system is to surrender that child’s upbringing and education to a bureaucracy that cares for little but whether he or she will win medals someday. If Mr Lin were ultimately to be injured or wash out as an athlete, he would have given up his only chance at an elite education, and been separated from his parents for lengthy stretches, for nothing. (One must add to this the problem of endemic corruption in Chinese sport that also scares away parents—Chinese football referee Lu Jun, once heralded as the “golden whistle” for his probity, was sentenced to jail last week as part of a massive match-fixing scandal). Most Chinese parents, understandably, prefer to see their children focus on schooling and exams.
In America, meanwhile, athletic excellence actually can open doors to an elite education, through scholarships and recruitment. Harvard does not provide athletic scholarships, but it does recruit players who also happen to be academic stars. There is no real equivalent in China.
So China almost certainly has its own potential Jeremy Lin out there, but there is no path for him to follow. This also helps explain, as we have noted, why China fails at another sport it loves, football. Granted, Mr Lin’s own path to stardom is in itself unprecedented, but in America, the unprecedented is possible. Chinese basketball fans have taken note of this. Mr Lin’s story may be a great and inspiring proof of athleticism to the Chinese people, but it is also unavoidably a story of American soft power.
Some authorities in China have responded, as might be expected, by trying to appropriate Mr Lin. The Chinese city of Pinghu, in coastal Zhejiang Province, sent a missive to its recently remembered former resident, Mr Lin’s grandmother on his mother’s side; officials crowed that she was pleased by the attention her hometown is paying to her grandson’s success. Xinhua, China’s official news service, published a fanciful article urging Mr Lin to take Chinese citizenship and join the national team of the People’s Republic.
Mr Lin’s Taiwanese family background seems to pose a special problem. China Central Television (CCTV), the national monopoly that broadcasts NBA games, has not joined in Linsanity. A game featuring Mr Lin a week ago, against the Minnesota Timberwolves, was broadcast on Beijing TV’s sport channel, but the broadcast included the forbidden image of the Taiwanese national flag, held proudly by fans in the stands. (The flag is typically blurred in China if it must appear in news footage). Chinese netizens noticed, and wondered if that would bring a punishment, or a tape delay. CCTV, for its part, told Netease, a Chinese internet portal, that most Knicks games couldn’t be shown due to the “time difference”, “but if time allows, games of the Knicks will definitely be broadcasted preferentially.”
That remains to be seen. Fortunately for Chinese sport fans, the internet provides a ready-made alternative to the state television system. Most of Mr Lin’s games are being made available by live stream on the portal Sina.com. This morning’s game against Mr Yi’s Mavericks was a rather interesting exception, a mysterious little black hole on Sina.com’s NBA schedule. Frustrated Chinese fans had to go looking for dodgier streams elsewhere online. What they found was a closely fought game between the two teams, with Mr Lin again starring and leading the Knicks to victory. More poignantly, they found their countryman, Mr Yi, remain on the bench for the entire game, reduced to the role of spectator. It was a glimpse of the Chinese sport system versus American soft power. Perhaps it was not fit for viewing.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2012/02/chinas-new-sports-problem
Winehole23
02-22-2012, 01:41 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/jeremy-lin-is-no-fluke/
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 01:43 PM
You'll celebrate.
Not my fault you got all sensitive about the reason you inferred.
We both know that the only black Republican candidate dropped out of the race.
I would still gladly take Cain over Obama.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 01:48 PM
We both know that the only black Republican candidate dropped out of the race.
I would still gladly take Cain over Obama.And you'll gladly take any of the white men over Obama.
You'll celebrate if a white man beats him.
This is your logic. It's too bad you don't like it when it's turned on you.
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 01:51 PM
And you'll gladly take any of the white men over Obama.
You'll celebrate if a white man beats him.
This is your logic. It's too bad you don't like it when it's turned on you.
:lmao
And a classic example of chump logic as well. Because I don't plan to vote for Obama I'm automatically a racist...
Disgusting, even though expected from you.
baseline bum
02-22-2012, 02:48 PM
Sure don't...from NBA.com
Jeremy Linn
2011-12 Statistics
PPG 14.6
RPG 2.70
APG 5.7
EFF+ 14.58
His first 9 games (he has played a total of 19) he was only given garbage minutes (6.5 minutes per game), so his season stats aren't too impressive and aren't indicative of the way he is playing now. Since D'Antoni was forced into giving him minutes by injuries, he has played at a star level the last 10 games. Since he started getting consistent minutes, his stats are
PPG 24.6
RPG: 4.1
APG: 9.2
EFF+ 23.7
Those are allstar numbers that compares pretty favorably to Wade's:
Comparison...Dwayne Wade
2011-12 Statistics
PPG 22.4
RPG 4.30
APG 4.8
EFF+ 22.46
The media loves stories when nobodies become star players. Remember Kurt Warner and his story about being a grocery bagger turned NFL quarterback? I think you're playing up the race angle too much. If Steve Novak or Iman Shumpert started playing at that level the media would be blowing them up too.
DarrinS
02-22-2012, 03:17 PM
http://twitlonger.com/show/g2gn26
I wrote the headline in reference to the tone of the column and not to Jeremy Lin’s race. It was a lapse in judgment and not a racist pun. It was an awful editorial omission and it cost me my job.
I owe an apology to Jeremy Lin and all people offended. I am truly sorry.
Actions speak louder than words. My words may have hurt people in that moment but my actions have always helped people. If those who vilify me would take a deeper look at my life they would see that I am the exact opposite of how some are portraying me.
They would see that on the day of the incident I got a call from a friend – who happens to be homeless – and rushed to his aid. He was collapsed on the side of the road due to exposure and hunger. They would see how I picked him up and got him a hotel room and fed him. They would see I used my vacation time last year to volunteer in the orphanages of Haiti. They would see how I ‘adopted’ an elderly Alzheimer’s patient and visited him every week for a year. They would see that every winter I organize a coat drive for those less fortunate in New Haven. They would see how I raised $10,000 for a friend in need when his kids were born four months premature. They would see how I have worked in soup kitchens and convalescent homes since I was a kid. They would see my actions speak louder than my words. They would see that these acts were not done for my glory, but for God’s. They would see that each day I live and will continue to live a life of joy and service.
It never has been or will be my intention to hurt anyone.
I wrote thousands and thousands and thousands of headlines in my five years at ESPN. There never was a problem with any of them and I was consistently praised as an employee – both personally and professionally. Two weeks prior to the incident I had my first column published on espnW.com. My career was taking off. Why would I throw that all away with a racist pun? This was an honest mistake.
It is also crucial that people know that the writer of the column had nothing to do with the headline. I wrote it and now I take responsibility for it.
I am actually a Knicks fan and an ardent supporter of Jeremy Lin. Not surprisingly, he has handled the entire situation with grace and class.
Now I have to find a new job and move on with my life.
My solace in this is that ‘all things work together for good for those who love the Lord.’ I praise God equally in the good times and the bad times.
-Anthony Federico
LnGrrrR
02-22-2012, 04:42 PM
Actions have consequences. While he may not have meant to write that headline, and it was unintentional, part of one's job writing headlines is probably not to offend thousands of people.
I've volunteered a ton, and carried through many network operations. I'm still going to get chewed out if I screw up the next one.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 04:44 PM
:lmao
And a classic example of chump logic as well. Because I don't plan to vote for Obama I'm automatically a racist...
Disgusting, even though expected from you.I never said it made you anything.
You jumped to that conclusion yourself.
You got race on the brain.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 04:47 PM
http://twitlonger.com/show/g2gn26See, no Asian wife.
Don't be so stupid next time, Tony.
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 04:51 PM
I never said it made you anything.
You jumped to that conclusion yourself.
You got race on the brain.
You were the one in post after post focusing on whether the candidates were black or white.
fucking ankle biter...
Wild Cobra
02-22-2012, 04:52 PM
I sure wish those of you being generous here, were as generous when Rush was fired from ESPN.
clambake
02-22-2012, 04:54 PM
we don't want to interfere with your relationship with rush.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 04:54 PM
You were the one in post after post focusing on whether the candidates were black or white.
fucking ankle biter...You are the one focusing on whether Lin is popular just because of his race. You put up disingenuous stats to support your racial argument.
Do you make that beeping noise at your desk when you try to back away from these things?
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 04:55 PM
I sure wish those of you being generous here, we as generous when Rush was fired from ESPN.They're both idiots who deserved to be fired.
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 04:59 PM
Floyd Mayweather Jr. posted on twitter Monday:
“Jeremy Lin is a good player but all the hype is because he’s Asian. Black players do what he does every night and don’t get the same praise.”
I simply said that despite the uproar there was some truth in that statement.
Do you agree or disagree with the fact as stated?
clambake
02-22-2012, 05:01 PM
"would cowboy and the human resources director please come to my office"
DarrinS
02-22-2012, 05:05 PM
Actions have consequences. While he may not have meant to write that headline, and it was unintentional, part of one's job writing headlines is probably not to offend thousands of people.
Really?
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 05:05 PM
"would cowboy and the human resources director please come to my office"
:lol
LnGrrrR
02-22-2012, 05:11 PM
Really?
Yes? Not sure whether you're agreeing here or trying to be sarcastic.
DarrinS
02-22-2012, 05:14 PM
Yes? Not sure whether you're agreeing here or trying to be sarcastic.
So they should avoid common figures of speech, just in case someone might get offended? Geez.
baseline bum
02-22-2012, 05:14 PM
So do you disagree that he's playing at an allstar level or do you disagree that Novak or Shumpert would be hyped like hell if they put up superstar numbers like that?
johnsmith
02-22-2012, 05:18 PM
I personally think it's a story because the dude was the 12th man prior to doing what he's done.
I didn't even know he was Asian until 2 of his starts in because I just kept hearing about it on the radio.....
Then I found out, and automatically assumed he was much shorter.
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 05:19 PM
So do you disagree that he's playing at an allstar level or do you disagree that Novak or Shumpert would be hyped like hell if they put up superstar numbers like that?
Base, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT HE IS PLAYING GREAT.
But he has become somewhat of a media sensation and there is definitely truth in Mayweather's statement whether you want to admit it or not.
There are a lot of black players putting up similar numbers night after night that aren't on the front page of yahoo every time i check my e-mail.
johnsmith
02-22-2012, 05:21 PM
Base, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT HE IS PLAYING GREAT.
But he has become somewhat of a media sensation and there is definitely truth in Mayweather's statement whether you want to admit it or not.
There are a lot of black players putting up similar numbers night after night that aren't on the front page of yahoo every time i check my e-mail.
Not a lot of black players that weren't ever supposed to make an impact and were in line to be out of the NBA by the end of the season though.......therefore, I respectfully disagree.
Also, I'm so impressed with how well he speaks for an Oriental man.
johnsmith
02-22-2012, 05:22 PM
The "he's Asian too" was a footnote to the story until racists like Mayweather got a hold of it.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 05:23 PM
Floyd Mayweather Jr. posted on twitter Monday:
“Jeremy Lin is a good player but all the hype is because he’s Asian. Black players do what he does every night and don’t get the same praise.”
I simply said that despite the uproar there was some truth in that statement.
Do you agree or disagree with the fact as stated?Sure part of the hype is because he's Asian. Most of the hype is because he pretty much single-handedly revived a moribund Knicks franchise days before he was to be cut from the team.
clambake
02-22-2012, 05:24 PM
Then I found out, and automatically assumed he was much shorter.
:lmao
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 05:25 PM
Base, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT HE IS PLAYING GREAT.
But he has become somewhat of a media sensation and there is definitely truth in Mayweather's statement whether you want to admit it or not.
There are a lot of black players putting up similar numbers night after night that aren't on the front page of yahoo every time i check my e-mail.No one did what he did this season. A black player doing the same thing in New York would get the same hype.
Try to find anyone who has done what he did. I need names.
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 05:25 PM
Sure part of the hype is because he's Asian. Most of the hype is because he pretty much single-handedly revived a moribund Knicks franchise days before he was to be cut from the team.
I'm sure that's part of it. The Knicks always get a lot of media attention just because that's where all the news organizations are based.
johnsmith
02-22-2012, 05:27 PM
I'm sure that's part of it. The Knicks always get a lot of media attention just because that's where all the news organizations are based.
That's most of it.....not part of it.
The Asian part of the story is like 5% of this whole thing......sort of like how they measure in average height compared to us normal folk.
johnsmith
02-22-2012, 05:28 PM
Or to put it another way, it's like 5%.....exactly where they rank in the top percent at doing math.
johnsmith
02-22-2012, 05:28 PM
Racist jokes really never get old.
johnsmith
02-22-2012, 05:29 PM
Especially when talking about Asians........it's like a victimless crime.
baseline bum
02-22-2012, 05:33 PM
Base, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT HE IS PLAYING GREAT.
But he has become somewhat of a media sensation and there is definitely truth in Mayweather's statement whether you want to admit it or not.
There are a lot of black players putting up similar numbers night after night that aren't on the front page of yahoo every time i check my e-mail.
Brandon Jennings in Milwaukee got tons of hype early in his NBA career after a season in Europe when he was considered a bust. People in America love stories about players who were thrown to the curb.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 05:37 PM
I'm sure that's part of it. The Knicks always get a lot of media attention just because that's where all the news organizations are based.lol part of it.
Still waiting for you to show me a player who did something remotely similar.
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 05:38 PM
Brandon Jennings in Milwaukee got tons of hype early in his NBA career after a season in Europe when he was considered a bust. People in America love stories about players who were thrown to the curb.
Yeah, don't get me wrong. He seems like a nice kid. I'm happy for him and I hope Tony Parker kicks his ass next week when they play.:toast
baseline bum
02-22-2012, 05:39 PM
Base, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT HE IS PLAYING GREAT.
But he has become somewhat of a media sensation and there is definitely truth in Mayweather's statement whether you want to admit it or not.
There are a lot of black players putting up similar numbers night after night that aren't on the front page of yahoo every time i check my e-mail.
Also, there are 5 other players in the league with an equal or better efficiency rating than Lin's last 10 games: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, and Kevin Love. I think that really puts into perspective how well Lin is playing when his numbers are comparable to the league's top MVP candidates.
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 05:41 PM
lol part of it.
Still waiting for you to show me a player who did something remotely similar.
pffft
Go hate on Mayweather and his defense of black players. That's how this whole conversation started.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 05:45 PM
pffft
Go hate on Mayweather and his defense of black players. That's how this whole conversation started.He's not here. I'm talking to you.
If you can't think of anyone who has done what Lin has done, be a man and admit it.
SnakeBoy
02-22-2012, 05:45 PM
Also, I'm so impressed with how well he speaks for an Oriental man.
Yeah he speaks well for an asian. Unlike the asain dude they are pumping up on American Idol, that guy's awful..."Hour am I supposed to rive rithout you".
johnsmith
02-22-2012, 05:53 PM
Yeah he speaks well for an asian. Unlike the asain dude they are pumping up on American Idol, that guy's awful..."Hour am I supposed to rive rithout you".
:lol
CosmicCowboy
02-22-2012, 05:56 PM
Yeah he speaks well for an asian. Unlike the asain dude they are pumping up on American Idol, that guy's awful..."Hour am I supposed to rive rithout you".
:lol
Lin grew up in the US and went to Harvard...
johnsmith
02-22-2012, 05:57 PM
:lol
Lin grew up in the US and went to Harvard...
Oh really?
DarrinS
02-22-2012, 05:57 PM
He's deceptively fast.
johnsmith
02-22-2012, 05:59 PM
I forgot to type that last one in blue.
JayTheClown
02-22-2012, 06:02 PM
He's not here. I'm talking to you.
If you can't think of anyone who has done what Lin has done, be a man and admit it.
Ben Wallace?
Mind you he wasn't that great offensively. He was a player who was thrown to curb and suddenly began to put up hall of fame like numbers.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 06:06 PM
Ben Wallace?
Mind you he wasn't that great offensively. He was a player who was thrown to curb and suddenly began to put up hall of fame like numbers.Can't agree. He was already a four-year vet with a full season of starting before he blew up in Detroit.
JayTheClown
02-22-2012, 06:07 PM
Can't agree. He was already a four-year vet with a full season of starting before he blew up in Detroit.
But you can also say Lin is a 3 year vet.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 06:09 PM
But you can also say Lin is a 3 year vet.One.
JayTheClown
02-22-2012, 06:11 PM
One.
Lin was on the Mavericks summer league roster 3 years ago. Granted he never played in an NBA game as a Mav. I think he played a couple as a Warrior.
Saying that, I do understand most of Lin's hype is due to the location he is playing in.
Edit: I correct myself 2 years ago. Lin is a 2 year vet
ChumpDumper
02-22-2012, 06:14 PM
Lin was on the Mavericks summer league roster 3 years ago. Granted he never played in an NBA game as a Mav. I think he played a couple as a Warrior.
Say that, I do understand most of Lin's hype is due to the location he is playing in.
Edit: I correct myself 2 years ago. Lin is a 2 year vetThen Wallace was a five year vet with a full season of starts.
JayTheClown
02-22-2012, 06:17 PM
Then Wallace was a five year vet with a full season of starts.
Yeah OK, your right.
jack sommerset
02-22-2012, 07:15 PM
The nba is racist. It took all those injuries to the Knicks, the coach on hot seat, Carmelo saying give the Asian a try, and of course having to put up those crazy numbers the first few games in order for this guy to get a real chance. It wouldn't surprise me if Davis gets the starting job by playoffs when the kid slips to under 20 points a game. It took divine intervention to give this kid a stage to show the world he can hoop with the best of them. If more people not black were giving the same stage I dare say the demographics that we know in the NBA would change overnight. God bless
"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people...the people of God."
SnakeBoy
02-22-2012, 07:31 PM
Especially when talking about Asians........it's like a victimless crime.
Well it really is considering asians are not an oppressed minority in the country. They really don't have the same claim to "sensitivity" as blacks & hispanics.
FuzzyLumpkins
02-22-2012, 07:47 PM
Base, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT HE IS PLAYING GREAT.
But he has become somewhat of a media sensation and there is definitely truth in Mayweather's statement whether you want to admit it or not.
There are a lot of black players putting up similar numbers night after night that aren't on the front page of yahoo every time i check my e-mail.
Umm, no they don't.
He scored more points in his first five games than anyone in the history of the NBA. There is absolutely no truth to a first year starter putting up 24 ppg right out the gate happening every day. It doesn't even happen every decade.
His actions have merit in and of themselves. That being said the fact that the Chinese press and government as well as other political and social entities are trying to coopt him, it also becomes a national and racial issue as much as the stupid talking heads try to poo-poo the notion that its a national or racial issue.
The Reckoning
02-22-2012, 08:05 PM
get me out of this fucking country
How about
Knicks new dynamic duo. Melo-Yellow
FuzzyLumpkins
02-22-2012, 08:34 PM
get me out of this fucking country
Where would you go?
MannyIsGod
02-22-2012, 09:04 PM
Floyd Mayweather Jr. posted on twitter Monday:
“Jeremy Lin is a good player but all the hype is because he’s Asian. Black players do what he does every night and don’t get the same praise.”
I simply said that despite the uproar there was some truth in that statement.
Do you agree or disagree with the fact as stated?
:lol
Fact as stated?
I agree that Mayweather Jr is an idiot. If he thinks that NBA black athletes aren't getting enough pub then he's out of his god damn mind.
LOL don't get the same praise? Come on, REALLY?
The Reckoning
02-22-2012, 09:06 PM
Where would you go?
dunno yet. most likely somewhere in latin america. probably belize.
MannyIsGod
02-22-2012, 09:08 PM
Where would you go?
Personally I wish Scandinavia was tropical.
johnsmith
02-23-2012, 08:59 AM
You were the one in post after post focusing on whether the candidates were black or white.
fucking ankle biter...
Ya know....for complaining about chump being an ankle biter, you almost exclusively reply to his posts only. Others have engaged you in this thread alone and you completely ignore and go right back to chump.....I think you might be one of those big gay texas cowboys by the looks of it.
Wild Cobra Kai
02-23-2012, 09:23 AM
Amen. People make mistakes, this guy didn't need to lose his job/career. "Chink in the armor" is a very common phrase and it shouldn't be too hard to imagine that it could have been an honest mistake.
Actually, since the guy wordsmiths for a living, it would be almost impossible for him not to know what he was doing. He should have been fired for racism, or cluelessness that it would be perceived as racism. Stupid, either way.
DarrinS
02-24-2012, 03:48 PM
Asian American Journalists Association releases guidelines on Jeremy Lin media coverage
First off, I can't believe there is such a thing as the Asian American Journalists Association. Can you imagine if there were a Caucasian American Journalists Association?
Anyway, this is ridiculous.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/asian-american-journalists-association-releases-guidelines-jeremy-lin-155822233.html
Given the media's "Linsanity" surrounding Jeremy Lin, perhaps this was inevitable.
Following (justified) outrage over several examples of racially-insensitive coverage of Lin--including a headline published by ESPN.com which resulted in the firing of one staffer and suspension of another--the Asian American Journalists Association has issued a set of guidelines for media outlets salivating over the NBA's Asian-American sensation.
"As NBA player Jeremy Lin's prowess on the court continues to attract international attention and grab headlines, AAJA would like to remind media outlets about relevance and context regarding coverage of race," the group wrote in an advisory. "In the past weeks, as more news outlets report on Lin, his game and his story, AAJA has noticed factual inaccuracies about Lin's background as well as an alarming number of references that rely on stereotypes about Asians or Asian Americans."
Among the "danger zones" identified by AAJA:
"CHINK": Pejorative; do not use in a context involving an Asian person on someone who is Asian American. Extreme care is needed if using the well-trod phrase "chink in the armor"; be mindful that the context does not involve Asia, Asians or Asian Americans.
And:
"ME LOVE YOU LIN TIME": Avoid. This is a lazy pun on the athlete's name and alludes to the broken English of a Hollywood caricature from the 1980s.
AAJA urged caution "when discussing Lin's physical characteristics, particularly those that feminize/emasculate the Asian male (Cinderella-story angles should not place Lin in a dress). Discussion of genetic differences in athletic ability among races should be avoided. In referring to Lin's height or vision, be mindful of the context and avoid invoking stereotypes about Asians."
The group added: "Stop to think: Would a similar statement be made about an athlete who is Caucasian, African American or Latino?"
Below are the AAJA's guidelines in full:
THE FACTS
1. Jeremy Lin is Asian American, not Asian (more specifically, Taiwanese American). It's an important distinction and one that should be considered before any references to former NBA players such as Yao Ming and Wang Zhizhi, who were Chinese. Lin's experiences were fundamentally different than people who immigrated to play in the NBA. Lin progressed through the ranks of American basketball from high school to college to the NBA, and to characterize him as a foreigner is both inaccurate and insulting.
2. Lin's path to Madison Square Garden: More than 300 division schools passed on him. Harvard University has had only three other graduates go on to the NBA, the most recent one being in the 1950s. No NBA team wanted Lin in the draft after he graduated from Harvard.
3. Journalists don't assume that African American players identify with NBA players who emigrated from Africa. The same principle applies with Asian Americans. It's fair to ask Lin whether he looked up to or took pride in the accomplishments of Asian players. He may have. It's unfair and poor journalism to assume he did.
4. Lin is not the first Asian American to play in the National Basketball Association. Raymond Townsend, who's of Filipino descent, was a first-round choice of the Golden State Warriors in the 1970s. Rex Walters, who is of Japanese descent, was a first-round draft pick by the New Jersey Nets out of the University of Kansas in 1993 and played seven seasons in the NBA; Walters is now the coach at University of San Francisco. Wat Misaka is believed to have been the first Asian American to play professional basketball in the United States. Misaka, who's of Japanese descent, appeared in three games for the New York Knicks in the 1947-48 season when the Knicks were part of the Basketball Association of America, which merged with the NBA after the 1948-49 season.
DANGER ZONES
"CHINK": Pejorative; do not use in a context involving an Asian person on someone who is Asian American. Extreme care is needed if using the well-trod phrase "chink in the armor"; be mindful that the context does not involve Asia, Asians or Asian Americans. (The appearance of this phrase with regard to Lin led AAJA MediaWatch to issue statement to ESPN, which subsequently disciplined its employees.)
DRIVING: This is part of the sport of basketball, but resist the temptation to refer to an "Asian who knows how to drive."
EYE SHAPE: This is irrelevant. Do not make such references if discussing Lin's vision.
FOOD: Is there a compelling reason to draw a connection between Lin and fortune cookies, takeout boxes or similar imagery? In the majority of news coverage, the answer will be no.
MARTIAL ARTS: You're writing about a basketball player. Don't conflate his skills with judo, karate, tae kwon do, etc. Do not refer to Lin as "Grasshopper" or similar names associated with martial-arts stereotypes.
"ME LOVE YOU LIN TIME": Avoid. This is a lazy pun on the athlete's name and alludes to the broken English of a Hollywood caricature from the 1980s.
"YELLOW MAMBA": This nickname that some have used for Lin plays off the "Black Mamba" nickname used by NBA star Kobe Bryant. It should be avoided. Asian immigrants in the United States in the 19th and 20th centuries were subjected to discriminatory treatment resulting from a fear of a "Yellow Peril" that was touted in the media, which led to legislation such as the Chinese Exclusion Act.
MannyIsGod
02-24-2012, 05:00 PM
You're surprised that organization exists? Do you have any interactions with professional organizations, Darrin? Do you realize there are organizations like that for virtually every profession? Way to pull the white martyr card again, though.
MannyIsGod
02-24-2012, 05:04 PM
I'm curious as to what the white journalists association would get together and discuss. Darrin, any ideas?
LnGrrrR
02-24-2012, 05:17 PM
So they should avoid common figures of speech, just in case someone might get offended? Geez.
If said "common figure of speech" could be construed as a racist joke, then yeah, they probably should. It wasn't too hard to get, since thousands noticed the connection pretty much instantaneously.
LnGrrrR
02-24-2012, 05:18 PM
DRIVING: This is part of the sport of basketball, but resist the temptation to refer to an "Asian who knows how to drive."
:lmao
That's a good one.
MannyIsGod
02-24-2012, 05:21 PM
The type of will full ignorance Darrin is displaying is fairly impressive.
DarrinS
02-24-2012, 05:30 PM
The type of will full ignorance Darrin is displaying is fairly impressive.
Nah, too easy.
DarrinS
02-24-2012, 05:33 PM
You're surprised that organization exists? Do you have any interactions with professional organizations, Darrin? Do you realize there are organizations like that for virtually every profession?
Like these?
http://www.shpe.org/
http://www.nsbe.org/
http://www.saseconnect.org/
Yes, I'm aware, and it's embarassing that they even exist.
ChumpDumper
02-24-2012, 05:37 PM
Like these?
http://www.shpe.org/
http://www.nsbe.org/
http://www.saseconnect.org/
Yes, I'm aware, and it's embarassing that they even exist.Why?
Be specific.
MannyIsGod
02-24-2012, 05:48 PM
Nah, too easy.
BOOM kill me with grammar smack, Darrin! Surely that type of intellectual substance will erase the tons of stupidity you pile upon this forum on a daily basis.
Blake
02-24-2012, 05:54 PM
These type of threads never have a happy linding for Darrin
Bigzax
02-24-2012, 05:58 PM
me love you lin time is great!
LnGrrrR
02-24-2012, 06:14 PM
What's funny, is that it's hard to come up with a headline that
innocuously" offensive.
baseline bum
02-24-2012, 07:59 PM
What's funny, is that it's hard to come up with a headline that
innocuously" offensive.
Manu Ginobili gives Niggardly tip to Valet Driver
FuzzyLumpkins
02-24-2012, 08:34 PM
You're surprised that organization exists? Do you have any interactions with professional organizations, Darrin? Do you realize there are organizations like that for virtually every profession? Way to pull the white martyr card again, though.
LOL, white martyr.
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