Poll: Will Manu Ginobili Ever Score 20 points in a single game again?

[jARS mEsH sEt]

IMO I'd have to say no tbh. He's been riddled with injuries this season, and he couldn't even get close to scoring 20 for the few games that he came back for (until...surprise surprise!...another injury).

I think it's pretty obvious that he's going to retire after next season when his contract is up. The 3 year/$40 million contract was a lifetime achievement award contract, after all. There's no way the Spurs F.O. will give him 2 lifetime achievement award contracts, and no other team in the league wants a TOSB. He's not a pure shooter like Steve Nash, and his passing abilities will be rendered useless once the league figures out that Manu's no longer a scoring threat, so he doesn't really have any skills that will allow him to stay in the league beyond the age of 35.

He can't explode at the rim with his "toothpick" ankles (lest he wants another stress fracture). His shot is pretty much gone after his hand surgery (you can tell by the way his free throws clanked off the rim to the left and right). If he plays any more than 15 minutes a game, he'll be too tired to make a 3 point shot, so that's pretty much gone. By Manu's own admission, this is without question Tony Parker's team now, so even if you disagreed with everything so far, Manu won't be taking 15-20 shots per game because he's no longer the first option (or second option...or third option IMO).

Taking into account the fact that Manu will most likely have another season ending injury next year, and taking into account the fact that it takes him 3 or 4 months to warm up and get in a good rhythm (which he doesn't have this season), I think it's a safe bet to say he'll never score 20 again.

So what do you think spurstalk, will Manu Ginobili ever score 20 points again?

Update for 2012-2013 season:

Manu Ginobili 2012-2013:

vs New Orleans: DNP INJURY
vs OKC: DNP INJURY
vs Utah: 8 points
vs Indiana: 3 points
vs Clippers: 9 points
vs Kings: 7 points
vs Portland: 17 points
vs Lakers: 3 points
vs Knicks: 12 points
vs Nuggets: 20 points :madrun
vs Clippers: 15 points
vs Celtics: 5 points

Season average: 10.4 PPG

:stirpot:

[my2sons]

yawn

[jARS mEsH sEt]

yawn

Not a bad Manu Ginobili impression 5-10 minutes into a game tbh, given how quickly he tires out.

[Reck]

LOL dude eats 20 point games for lunch.

That's not what I'm concerned about.

[Halberto]

lol

[jARS mEsH sEt]

LOL dude eats 20 point games for lunch.

That's not what I'm concerned about.

Alright man we'll see. I give you guys full permission to roast the shit out of me and bump this thread the day Manu scores 20 again.

I have a feeling it's going to be later, rather than sooner, though (possibly never tbh).

[Dex]

I give you guys full permission to roast the shit out of me and bump this thread the day Manu scores 20 again.

Ok.

[Interrohater]

Can't... Re...frain....from....posting.........

I won't vote in this poll. It's pathetic. I don't know you but I don't think I would like you if I did.

[jag]

:lol

[Juggity]

:lol whose troll?

[Spursfan092120]

this....thread....is....retarded

[Keepin' it real]

IMO I'd have to say no tbh. ... So what do you think spurstalk, will Manu Ginobili ever score 20 points again?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5O3j74zp12hBwhh94ZCITksoHxiF1q Nq2GQOZQqPjbeDDBnVPfLKpvWob

[jARS mEsH sEt]

this....thread....is....retarded

Idk man, I'm just looking at the facts. Manu has scored 8, 1, 11, and 2 points for his 4 games in February (a whopping 22 points in 4 games and 80 minutes total).

He's averaging 5.5 PPG after his surgery, or you could say he's averaging 22 points per 80 minutes.

22 points/80 minutes = .275 points per minute, so if he plays 30 minutes per game (which is pretty generous imo) he'll be on track to score about 8 points per game :rollin

[Canibspur]

Wow 20 in a game?

A better poll might be 20 in a half? Or maybe, Will you make a poll worth a shit?

Yes and No respectively.

[Leetonidas]

sup koolaids/rakaruva

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Wow 20 in a game?

A better poll might be 20 in a half? Or maybe, Will you make a poll worth a shit?

Yes and No respectively.

Now now, no need to be hostile :lol I can tell this is a tender subject for you. We all have to come to grips with the basketball mortality of our favorite players at some point.

I've done nothing more than talk about the :elephant in the room tbh. It's only natural to think that Manu Ginobili in the twilight of his career (second to last season in the NBA? I'd say he's in the twilight of his career) isn't going to put up the same numbers that he did 5 years ago.

[ducks]

what about his career?

[InK]

U know u fucked up when Ducks has to come to the thread and defend Manu. :downspin:

[manufan10]

:lmao

[TMTTRIO]

Well Manu was playing some great basketball before he went down with that freak injury and before Tony went into Super Tony mode so I'm not worried about him yet. He'll come back and contribute even if it's not much because we don't need him to much. If Manu has a few more nagging injuries (knock on wood) I can see him thinking retirement sooner than later. I can only imagine he's been thinking about it more since he's been home all this time and not with his teammates at least on this RRT. Besides he seems to already have his retirement plans in place including surgery on that broken nose he still has from a few years ago that he still hasn't gotten taken care of and of course coaching those young Argie players for the NT.

[DontStopBelieving]

Voted no for shits and giggles

[manu the best]

Lol .. Wat a stupid thread .. His gonna make u eat ur words come playoff time ..

[DrSteffo]

Faker-fan troll (like that asian narutokid) or some other type of troll?

[Darkwaters]

http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachments/f2/522232d1317010357-newbie-question-about-new-watch-not-sure-if-serious.jpg

[UnWantedTheory]

Of course he will and he will this season, barring he doesn't have another serious injury. I am honestly not too frightened of what we are going to get out of him when he gets back, because he will be fine once he finds a rhythm. I am just worried about him staying healthy when does return.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

:lol Joke of a thread :lol
Did you even watch the beginning of the season?


Alright man we'll see. I give you guys full permission to roast the shit out of me and bump this thread the day Manu scores 20 again.

:lol ok deal

[mathbzh]

Stupid Poll of the Month

[stephen jackson]

will manu ever score again tbh?

[Mark in Austin]

http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachments/f2/522232d1317010357-newbie-question-about-new-watch-not-sure-if-serious.jpg


+1

[hater]

20 yes. but 30+. probably no

[Horse]

Is there now a poll for everything someone thinks of. Heres mine will Tim Duncan ever hit another one handed fading runner across the middle while wearing a Spurs throwback jersey? Poll:

[spurs10]

When you say 'roast', do you mean literally?

[manufan10]

When you say 'roast', do you mean literally?

http://image.masterfile-vintage-retro.com/em_w/03/47/04/608-03470445w.jpg


Let's get the fire ready.. :hungry:

[spurs10]

http://image.masterfile-vintage-retro.com/em_w/03/47/04/608-03470445w.jpg


Let's get the fire ready.. :hungry:
:lmao

[Spur_Fanatic]

20 yes. but 30+. probably no

I'm betting he scores over 40.

[DJB]

Worst poll ever, tbh, imho, etc etc

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Word on the street is that Manu's going to suit up for the Denver game on Sunday. Will he score 20 points against Denver?

I'm going to vote "no" tbh.

[Brazil]

one of the dumbest thread ever tbh

[I Heart Ginobili]

I'm going back to the spurstalk premium forum.

[Brazil]

lol jARS mEsH sEt

[timtonymanu]

:lol nice

[100%duncan]

geez why u taking this thread seriously

[Manu-of-steel]

Lol jars mes shet!

[angelbelow]

Hmm I voted NO, Manu Ginobili will never score 20 points ever again.. where did I miscalculate... ??

[jalberto]

People you have killed...are perfectly alive. :lol



IMO I'd have to say no tbh. He's been riddled with injuries this season, and he couldn't even get close to scoring 20 for the few games that he came back for (until...surprise surprise!...another injury).

I think it's pretty obvious that he's going to retire after next season when his contract is up. The 3 year/$40 million contract was a lifetime achievement award contract, after all. There's no way the Spurs F.O. will give him 2 lifetime achievement award contracts, and no other team in the league wants a TOSB. He's not a pure shooter like Steve Nash, and his passing abilities will be rendered useless once the league figures out that Manu's no longer a scoring threat, so he doesn't really have any skills that will allow him to stay in the league beyond the age of 35.

He can't explode at the rim with his "toothpick" ankles (lest he wants another stress fracture). His shot is pretty much gone after his hand surgery (you can tell by the way his free throws clanked off the rim to the left and right). If he plays any more than 15 minutes a game, he'll be too tired to make a 3 point shot, so that's pretty much gone. By Manu's own admission, this is without question Tony Parker's team now, so even if you disagreed with everything so far, Manu won't be taking 15-20 shots per game because he's no longer the first option (or second option...or third option IMO).

Taking into account the fact that Manu will most likely have another season ending injury next year, and taking into account the fact that it takes him 3 or 4 months to warm up and get in a good rhythm (which he doesn't have this season), I think it's a safe bet to say he'll never score 20 again.

So what do you think spurstalk, will Manu Ginobili ever score 20 points again?

[Dr Cox]

20+ points!!! wooohooo

[TVI]

Worst.thread.ever.

[will_spurs]

Ok, so he did it. But is he ever going to do it again?

[Spurtacus]

Manu doesn't need to score 20 points. The big 3 do not need to combine for 60 or 70 points for the Spurs to win. The 2012 team, right now, is the deepest team I can remember. Maybe not the biggest, but there are plenty of scorers.

[Brazil]

in retrospect it was really a great thread :lmao

[mkurts]

OP sets a new low in thread and poll standards :king

Congratulations !!

[manufan10]

Solid bump, tbh. :lol

[Fireball]

This thread becomes even more stupid every day ...

[Dr Cox]

I laugh at this thread

[Dr Cox]

Here is my laugh............ > :lol

[Beanzamillion21]

Playoff Bump.

[OldSilentHill]

Manu is a team player (like any player should be, this is Spurs) and he will look to score more than 20 pts every f****** time the team need him.

[manufan10]

:lol This thread won't die until Ginobili retires.

[Mr. Body]

Dunno if Ginobili needs to score that much on this team. But if they make a Finals run, I'd expect him to push 30 points in one game at least.

[temujin]

I wrote this already, but repetita juvant.

5 years ago, Ginobili played the worst game of his entire career.
0-8, no field goals. A ghost.
At the end, he scored just 3 frigging FTs.
All in the final minute.

Spurs won by 3 frigging points.

Game 4 of the 2007 finals.

The guy can beat you even going scoreless.

[GSH]

Dunno if Ginobili needs to score that much on this team. But if they make a Finals run, I'd expect him to push 30 points in one game at least.


Here's to Dr. Strangelove. :tu




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[manufan10]

:lol jARS mEsH sEt

[TJastal]

:lol jARS mEsH sEt

I love how he capitalizes these letters: A-R-S-E-H-E-T

Just a slight misspelling at the end there. :lol

[bonnington]

Have you already roasted the dude?

[Legacy]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5O3j74zp12hBwhh94ZCITksoHxiF1q Nq2GQOZQqPjbeDDBnVPfLKpvWob

[smaka]

Manu will score 20+ many times in this series, I feel it on the water haha.

[Beanzamillion21]

Bumpity bump bump

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Manu will score 20pts in 3-4 more games this playoffs. We're deep in the post-season now, and this is the time of year Manu waits for. He plays better when it really matters.

[Manudona]

But did Manu score 20 point in a single game after this post? Notice the poll does not say 20+, it should be exactly 20!

[z0sa]

:lmao

[smeagol]

IMO I'd have to say no tbh. He's been riddled with injuries this season, and he couldn't even get close to scoring 20 for the few games that he came back for (until...surprise surprise!...another injury).

I think it's pretty obvious that he's going to retire after next season when his contract is up. The 3 year/$40 million contract was a lifetime achievement award contract, after all. There's no way the Spurs F.O. will give him 2 lifetime achievement award contracts, and no other team in the league wants a TOSB. He's not a pure shooter like Steve Nash, and his passing abilities will be rendered useless once the league figures out that Manu's no longer a scoring threat, so he doesn't really have any skills that will allow him to stay in the league beyond the age of 35.

He can't explode at the rim with his "toothpick" ankles (lest he wants another stress fracture). His shot is pretty much gone after his hand surgery (you can tell by the way his free throws clanked off the rim to the left and right). If he plays any more than 15 minutes a game, he'll be too tired to make a 3 point shot, so that's pretty much gone. By Manu's own admission, this is without question Tony Parker's team now, so even if you disagreed with everything so far, Manu won't be taking 15-20 shots per game because he's no longer the first option (or second option...or third option IMO).

Taking into account the fact that Manu will most likely have another season ending injury next year, and taking into account the fact that it takes him 3 or 4 months to warm up and get in a good rhythm (which he doesn't have this season), I think it's a safe bet to say he'll never score 20 again.

So what do you think spurstalk, will Manu Ginobili ever score 20 points again?

Eat shit . . . it did not take long for Manu to prove you wrong you weak Spurs fan (if you are really one) . . .

[Hemotivo]

But did Manu score 20 point in a single game after this post? Notice the poll does not say 20+, it should be exactly 20!

yep

[Cherry]

Bump :nerd

[Beanzamillion21]

Bumpin this shit till the last game of the season. I think he is finally peaking for this season.

[Legacy]

HOLY SHIT! 20 pts EXACTLY tonight! :wow

[Manudona]

Good thing I did not waste time looking Manu's scores to double check, Manu took care of that today :)

[Beanzamillion21]

Will Manu Ginobili ever score 30+ points in a single game again?

[Legacy]

HHHhhmmmmmmmm... :lol

[smaka]

This thread makes me wanna ... everytime I see it.

[OldSilentHill]

Will Manu Ginobili ever score 30+ points in a single game again?

Probably, if he has to be the man again tom.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Manu Ginobili 2012-2013:

vs Utah: 8 points
vs Indiana: 3 points
vs Clippers: 9 points
vs Kings: 7 points

Season average: 6.9 PPG

:stirpot:

So I ask you again Spurstalk, will the great Manu Ginobili ever score 20 points in a single game again?

[TMTTRIO]

As painful as it is for me to say it and see his career winding down I'm thinking it's getting to the point with all of his injuries and struggling to come back from them that it may be time for him to retire.

[ElNono]

Currently coasting, tbh

[superjames1992]

I think he has troubling finishing at the rim these days, but once he gets his three-point shot going again, he should be fairly dangerous.

If one looks at a points per 36 minutes, Manu's numbers really haven't fallen off at all from the peak of his career (~20 points per 36), but he does seem down this year. But four games does not a season make, so we'll see.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

vs Portland: 17 points

Close but no cigar. Expect Ginobili's shot attempts and points to go down again once Parker comes back from his illness. :stirpot:

[superjames1992]

Manu actually looked decent tonight, so I have faith he will return to form again .... baring injuries.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

:lol Well how about that, another setback for Manu Ginobili (more back issues). Color me shocked.

Chalk up another 0-0, 0 points for the great Manu Ginobili tonight against L.A.

7 games into the 82 game season and Manu has failed to score 20 points :stirpot:


Expect Manu Ginobili to return out of shape and in poor conditioning 3, 4, 5 games down the road as he puts up 7 points on 2-5 shooting, 9 points on 3-6 shooting, etc. until he encounters yet another setback and is forced to sit out (and thus re-accumulate rust) for more games.

[Brazil]

Nono, I swear this dude is not my troll !!!

[TMTTRIO]

well fortunately we have a lot of guards who can score as well so we don't really need to rely on him as much

[Spursfan092120]

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[PingPong]

Hummm... maybe today? Manu is a f*** argentinian. And argentinians usually love the pressure of the big games like today's one.

[InK]

Hard to believe this twat actually bumped his piece of shit thread.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Hard to believe this twat actually bumped his piece of shit thread.

vs Lakers: 3 points (1-8 shooting) in 19 minutes :toast

[will_spurs]

He can if he takes 60 shots.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Hard to believe this twat actually bumped his piece of shit thread.

vs Knicks: 12 points (4-8 shooting) in 26 minutes :toast

[superjames1992]

vs Knicks: 12 points (4-8 shooting) in 26 minutes :toast
50% shooting, 12 points, 4 assists, 3 TO, 2 Rebs

Not bad box score numbers, at least.

[Paranoid Pop]

Should be renamed "will Manu make a 3pt shot again" tbh.

[ElNono]

sup

[Kool Bob Love]

damn it i wanted to bump!!!


Should be renamed "will Manu make a 3pt shot again" tbh.

LULZ

[NickiRasgo]

Hi.

[superjames1992]

Damn it, I was coming to bump but you all beat me to it! :D

[turkish spurs fan]

ahahahaha

[Spurs Brazil]

:lmao

[AussieFanKurt]

:lol never score 20 again

[jARS mEsH sEt]

:rollin... :lol... :(... :depressed... :shootme... :hang

[lefty]

http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/bloguploads/pwned-gif-dance-head.gif

[Boomersgold]

To be fair, about 9 of his points were in garbage time.

[lefty]

I just voted yes

[jARS mEsH sEt]

To be fair, about 9 of his points were in garbage time.

He also scored 20 in an efficient 22 minutes. I have no problem giving that tired old shitbag props when he deserves it.

Although, it remains to be seen if ginobili can pull off this magical feat again :lol. Will he continue to improve or will he regress with more injuries and more sub-20 games because he's out of rhythm after coming back from said injuries?

Only time will tell, and I will bump this thread with ferocity and gusto if he puts up any more TOSB-esque sub-20 games...:downspin:

[Splits]

To be fair, about 9 of his points were in garbage time.

Well then the entire game was garbage time since we were up 20 in the 1st.

[Boomersgold]

Well then the entire game was garbage time since we were up 20 in the 1st.

By garbage time, I meant the fourth quarter, when the Nuggets knew that they couldn't overcome the deficit and gave up. Even Bonner scored 6 points in 'garbage time'.

[Obstructed_View]

To be fair, about 9 of his points were in garbage time.

That's being fair?

[spurraider21]

To be fair, about 9 of his points were in garbage time.

To be fair our lack of "garbage time points" cost us the Knicks game

[Boomersgold]

That's being fair?

Fair to the person who started the thread. "Will Manu Ginobili ever score 20 points in a single game again" is a legitimate question, and Manu's 20 point performance in a blow out game isn't concrete evidence that he'll be able to do it in meaningful playing time.

[Obstructed_View]

Fair to the person who started the thread.

If you're replying to the person who started the thread, a quick check of the post date is in order. I'm trying to think of a metaphor that has a horse really really far out of the barn, but I'm too geeked about the Baylor game.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Since I started this thread, Manu has scored at least 20 in 7 regular season games (including tonight) and 4 playoff games for a total of 11 times since February 23, 2012. He's played in a total of 37 games since February 23, 2012.

Manu's proportion of 20+ point games since 2-23-12 = 11/37 = 29.73%

In the same time, Tony Parker has scored at least 20 in 12 regular season games and 7 playoff games for a total of 19 times since February 23, 2012. Tony's played in a total of 51 games since February 23, 2012.

Tony's proportion of 20+ point games since 2-23-12 = 19/51 = 37.25%

Duncan has scored at least 20 in 10 regular season games and 4 playoff games since 2-12-12.

Duncan's proportion of 20+ point games since 2-23-12 = 14/51 = 27.45%

[CitizenDwayne]

Good call, guys

[spurs10]

Since I started this thread, Manu has scored at least 20 in 7 regular season games (including tonight) and 4 playoff games for a total of 11 times since February 23, 2012. He's played in a total of 37 games since February 23, 2012.

Manu's proportion of 20+ point games since 2-23-12 = 11/37 = 29.73%

In the same time, Tony Parker has scored at least 20 in 12 regular season games and 7 playoff games for a total of 19 times since February 23, 2012. Tony's played in a total of 51 games since February 23, 2012.

Tony's proportion of 20+ point games since 2-23-12 = 19/51 = 37.25%

Duncan has scored at least 20 in 10 regular season games and 4 playoff games since 2-12-12.

Duncan's proportion of 20+ point games since 2-23-12 = 14/51 = 27.45%
And?? What's their proportion of wins?

[ElNono]

And?? What's their proportion of wins?

IIRC, Gino actually has the biggest winning % among Spurs... yes, even higher than Timmy D... you won't hear that from the CoP, tbh

[Manudona]

Since I started this thread, Manu has scored at least 20 in 7 regular season games (including tonight) and 4 playoff games for a total of 11 times since February 23, 2012. He's played in a total of 37 games since February 23, 2012.

Manu's proportion of 20+ point games since 2-23-12 = 11/37 = 29.73%

In the same time, Tony Parker has scored at least 20 in 12 regular season games and 7 playoff games for a total of 19 times since February 23, 2012. Tony's played in a total of 51 games since February 23, 2012.

Tony's proportion of 20+ point games since 2-23-12 = 19/51 = 37.25%

Duncan has scored at least 20 in 10 regular season games and 4 playoff games since 2-12-12.

Duncan's proportion of 20+ point games since 2-23-12 = 14/51 = 27.45%

Of course you hide the fact that Parker played 9 minutes more per game....

[Brazil]

Of course you hide the fact that Parker played 9 minutes more per game....

Of course you hide the fact that Manu cannot play 9 more minutes per game

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Of course you hide the fact that Parker played 9 minutes more per game....

Manu vs Clippers: 15 points (3-11 shooting) in 28 minutes.

:toast

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Although really to be fair, Manu did make strides in getting to the free throw line this game, so I won't hold this game against him. Realistically I don't consider ever sub-20 game from Manu a "failure" as long as he's playing up to his potential.

He didn't play up to his potential tonight but he wasn't full out TOSB either despite scoring only 15.

[ElNono]

http://i48.tinypic.com/16i5f7p.jpg

[TMTTRIO]

By the way interesting stat, Manu is only 1 of 3 since '85 to be drafted 45th or lower to have played at least 600 career games. That's pretty good knowing how injury prone he is.

[Seventyniner]

By the way interesting stat, Manu is only 1 of 3 since '85 to be drafted 45th or lower to have played at least 600 career games. That's pretty good knowing how injury prone he is.

It's not all about health though. It's that Manu is a damn good player and the Spurs were visionaries.

Who were the other two? Off the top of my head, I'd guess Boozer for one, but he might have gone above 45. Same with Arenas, Millsap, and Michael Redd.

[Brazil]

this thread is becoming a classic tbh :lol

[superjames1992]

20 Points, 6-9 3PT FG.

This thread needs to be bumped every time Manu does the "unthinkable" (score 20 points or more).

[jARS mEsH sEt]

TBH I won't pick on Ginobili much in the foreseeable future because he's clearly been on the up and up and proved that he can shake off the rust. Even if he has a couple of poor shooting nights/sub-20 games here or there I won't bump this thread imho :lol

Like I said before I only tell it like it is and I have no problem giving that old shitbag props when he produces. Right now, it's clear that he's slowly but surely getting back to his optimal form.

Now, if Gino somehow gets severely injured in the future (knock on wood) and comes back with large strings of TOSB-esque sub-20 games, well, refer to post #110 :downspin:

[Embedded]

Bump!

[manustarting2gd]

#20 scores 20 "magically"

[Slutter McGee]

By the way interesting stat, Manu is only 1 of 3 since '85 to be drafted 45th or lower to have played at least 600 career games. That's pretty good knowing how injury prone he is.

I tried google. I failed. Who are the other two of curiosity?

Slutter McGee

[Spursfanfromafar]

Not sure if there are only 3.

B'ball reference shows the following in a quick search - Jerome Kersey who was selected 45th in 1986 and played 1076 games. Then there are Chris Dudley (drafted 75th in 1987 and played 886 games) and Hot Rod Williams (drafted 45th in 1985 and played 887 games)...

and of course there were a few undrafted players as well.. quickly from memory - Avery Johnson and Ben Wallace. There must be more.

[Fireball]

Hey may have gotton 20 points in a quarter if Pop let him play more ...

[Drom John]

2003
Mo Williams 47th 601 G
Kyle Korver 51st 677 G

2002
Rasual Butler 52nd 638 G

1999
Manu Ginobili 57th 681 G

1997
Mark Blount 54th 605 G

1996
Shandon Anderson 54th 719 G

1993
Byron Russell 45th 841 G

1990
Antonio Davis 45th 903 G
Cedric Ceballos 48th 609 G

1988
Vernon Maxwell 47th 855 G
Steve Kerr 50th 910 G
Anthony Mason 53rd 882 G

1987
Brad Lohaus 45th 656 G
Kevin Gamble 63rd 649 G
Chris Dudley 75th 886 G

1985
Jeff Hornacek 46th 1077 G

1985
Hot Rod Williams 45th 887 G
Gerald Wilkins 47th 900 G
Sam Mitchell 54th 994 G (Mercer's only NBA player)
Michael Adams 66th 653 G
Mike Brown 69th 626 G
John Battle 84th 612 G
Spud Webb 89th 814 G
Mario Elie 160th 732 G

1984
Jerome Kersey 46th 1153 G

1983
Craig Ehlo 48th 873 G
Manute Bol 97th 624 G
Sedale Threatt 139th 951 G

1982
Craig Hodges 48th 695 G
Mark Eaton 72nd 875 G
Mark Sanders 74th 648 G

1981
Frank Brickowski 57th 731 G

1980
Kurt Rambis 58th 880 G
Darwin Cook 70th 612 G
Rory Sparrow 75th 836 G

1979
Earl Cureton 58th 674 G
Bill Laimbeer 65th 1068 G
James Donaldson 73rd 957 G
Allen Leavell 104th 700 G
Mark Eaton again 107th
Charles Jones 160th 726 G

1978
Pat Cummings 59th 683 G
Michael Cooper 60th 873 G
Gerald Henderson 64th 871 G drafted and waived by the Spurs

1977
James Edwards 46th 1168 G
Eddie Johnson 49th 675 G
Alvin Scott 136th 627 G

1974
Mickey Johnson 56th 904 G

1973
M. L. Carr 76th 603 G

[lunch break]

[spurraider21]

I tried google. I failed. Who are the other two of curiosity?

Slutter McGee
do you really have to write your name at the bottom of the comment if we can clearly see who wrote it?

[Slutter McGee]

yes. I do. Normally I would write Sincerely before it, but I am trying not to make waves.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[DesertSpur50]

All around good game by Manu tonight! 22/5/6/STL on 7/12 shooting. How many times does that make since the birth of this tread that Manu has scored 20+? Eh, I'll look it up later...

On a related note, TP was a beast out there today. Easily top 5 best game he's ever had, imo!

[hater]

negative

[jARS mEsH sEt]

He also scored 20 in an efficient 22 minutes. I have no problem giving that tired old shitbag props when he deserves it.

Although, it remains to be seen if ginobili can pull off this magical feat again :lol. Will he continue to improve or will he regress with more injuries and more sub-20 games because he's out of rhythm after coming back from said injuries?

Only time will tell, and I will bump this thread with ferocity and gusto if he puts up any more TOSB-esque sub-20 games...:downspin:

:downspin:

[TMTTRIO]

don't worry. If Manu continues to get these he'll retire at the end of the season.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

IMO I'd have to say no tbh. He's been riddled with injuries this season, and he couldn't even get close to scoring 20 for the few games that he came back for (until...surprise surprise!...another injury).

I think it's pretty obvious that he's going to retire after next season when his contract is up. The 3 year/$40 million contract was a lifetime achievement award contract, after all. There's no way the Spurs F.O. will give him 2 lifetime achievement award contracts, and no other team in the league wants a TOSB. He's not a pure shooter like Steve Nash, and his passing abilities will be rendered useless once the league figures out that Manu's no longer a scoring threat, so he doesn't really have any skills that will allow him to stay in the league beyond the age of 35.

He can't explode at the rim with his "toothpick" ankles (lest he wants another stress fracture). His shot is pretty much gone after his hand surgery (you can tell by the way his free throws clanked off the rim to the left and right). If he plays any more than 15 minutes a game, he'll be too tired to make a 3 point shot, so that's pretty much gone. By Manu's own admission, this is without question Tony Parker's team now, so even if you disagreed with everything so far, Manu won't be taking 15-20 shots per game because he's no longer the first option (or second option...or third option IMO).

Taking into account the fact that Manu will most likely have another season ending injury next year, and taking into account the fact that it takes him 3 or 4 months to warm up and get in a good rhythm (which he doesn't have this season), I think it's a safe bet to say he'll never score 20 again.

So what do you think spurstalk, will Manu Ginobili ever score 20 points again?

Update for 2012-2013 season:

Manu Ginobili 2012-2013:

vs New Orleans: DNP INJURY
vs OKC: DNP INJURY
vs Utah: 8 points
vs Indiana: 3 points
vs Clippers: 9 points
vs Kings: 7 points
vs Portland: 17 points
vs Lakers: 3 points
vs Knicks: 12 points
vs Nuggets: 20 points :madrun
vs Clippers: 15 points
vs Celtics: 5 points

Season average: 10.4 PPG

:stirpot:



Don Harris is reporting ankle injury for Manu

:downspin:

[ElNono]

lol Don Harris

[spurraider21]

Bump

[Trainwreck2100]

this game doesn't count nobody missed

[spurraider21]

this game doesn't count nobody missed
23 points in 23 minutes always counts

[Manudona]

Of course you hide the fact that Manu cannot play 9 more minutes per game

Mine was a fact, you were just bullshitting.

[Brazil]

Mine was a fact, you were just bullshitting.

Pop wouldn't want to play him 9 more minutes per game because? Yeah right ... to limit Manu stat per game to keep his contract low

[JRHernandez88]

Manu the GAWD

[Manudona]

Pop wouldn't want to play him 9 more minutes per game because? Yeah right ... to limit Manu stat per game to keep his contract low

I do not claim to know Pop's thoughts, that is why I called your post bullshitting, whatever the reason... facts are facts, yours are not.

[Brazil]

I do not claim to know Pop's thoughts, that is why I called your post bullshitting, whatever the reason... facts are facts, yours are not.

Lol ok

[Dr. Robert Lee]

BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TDMVPDPOY]

whenever gino or td is first to 20pts, hero guy starts jacking up hero shots to get his b4 looking out for others....

[Darkwaters]

Ginobili with back to back 20 point games?!

Unthinkable!

[chasky]

LOL BUMP 20 points in 22 minuts!

[TMTTRIO]

fewer and farther in between but it was great to see.

[racm]

fewer and farther in between but it was great to see.

The thing about Manu is that he's a per-minute star, not a guy who gets heavy minutes but produces when he's on the court.

[Juggity]

The thread title is obviously wrong, but general thrust of the argument isn't too far from the truth tbh. Manu isn't as consistent as he used to be. He's closer to a great role player than superstar at this point in his career, and that's no knock on his abilities. Like other great role players, Manu can step up and lead when needed, but it's not realistic for him to lead the scoring charge all the time anymore.

[racm]

The thread title is obviously wrong, but general thrust of the argument isn't too far from the truth tbh. Manu isn't as consistent as he used to be. He's closer to a great role player than superstar at this point in his career, and that's no knock on his abilities. Like other great role players, Manu can step up and lead when needed, but it's not realistic for him to lead the scoring charge all the time anymore.

And that's what Tony's for.

[ElNono]

:cry warrior :cry

[racm]

:cry warrior :cry

son I can't wait for him to make game-clinching FTs, seriously

[Baynes]

*badum tss*

[jARS mEsH sEt]

So obviously when I first made this thread there was quite a bit of hyperbole involved. Manu showed he was far more injury prone than ever before, and it seemed unlikely that he'd regain his groove, but nevertheless I never actually thought he'd never score 20 again.

Now I'm not so sure.

I'd be foolish to say that Manu will never score 20 points in a single game from here on out, but realistically, I don't think he'll score 20+ points in > 10 games from now until the day he retires.

We're 2 months into 2013 and Manu has scored 20 points only 2 times during this span.

So I'm throwing down the gauntlet with our resident Manu super homer El Nono.

I say that from Feb. 28, 2013 till the day Manu retires, he will score 20 points or more only 10 more times (at max) (regular season + playoff combined). If Manu scores 20+ points only 10 more times (or less), I win. If Manu manages to score 20 or more points in 11 games (or more), El Nono wins.

What say you, ElNono? We can put something simple on the line like having to change our signature to X for Y number of days.

[Arcadian]

Considering his craptacular performance last night, that seems almost unfair. Manu looks done.

[roycrikside]

So obviously when I first made this thread there was quite a bit of hyperbole involved. Manu showed he was far more injury prone than ever before, and it seemed unlikely that he'd regain his groove, but nevertheless I never actually thought he'd never score 20 again.

Now I'm not so sure.

I'd be foolish to say that Manu will never score 20 points in a single game from here on out, but realistically, I don't think he'll score 20+ points in > 10 games from now until the day he retires.

We're 2 months into 2013 and Manu has scored 20 points only 2 times during this span.

So I'm throwing down the gauntlet with our resident Manu super homer El Nono.

I say that from Feb. 28, 2013 till the day Manu retires, he will score 20 points or more only 10 more times (at max) (regular season + playoff combined). If Manu scores 20+ points only 10 more times (or less), I win. If Manu manages to score 20 or more points in 11 games (or more), El Nono wins.

What say you, ElNono? We can put something simple on the line like having to change our signature to X for Y number of days.

The whole premise of this question is absurd. You realize Manu plays like 24 mins a game, right? Even if that gets bumped up to the 28-30 range for the playoffs, you're asking the guy to score 20 pts in 30 mins, or a rate of almost 27 points per 40 minutes. That's right around Kobe/LeBron/Durant territory, and certainly higher than Ginobili's ever averaged (his career-high is 25.2, in 07-08).

Right now Manu's at 21.2 per 40, at age 35. In '04-05, when he was breaking out as a star, he was at 21.6, so settle down.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Lol he plays 23 minutes and shoots it 8 times a game. KL shoots it 8 times per game so does Danny Green and they both play way more minutes than him and still average less than him

[TMTTRIO]

I really hope Manu decides to call it quits after this season is over. I hate to see his career ending this way and it's been painful to see the way he's been playing.

[txstr1986]

Watch Ginobili go off in the month of March!

I'm hoping more for April/May/June

[jestersmash]

Interesting little factoid per Marc Stein (ESPN):

Manu Ginobili is averaging 12.3 points, 3.7 rebounds and 4.3 assists in 23.3 minutes per game. The only player in NBA history to hit those levels in the same season while averaging fewer than 24 minutes is … Ginobili last season.

[chapnis]

Interesting little factoid per Marc Stein (ESPN):

Manu Ginobili is averaging 12.3 points, 3.7 rebounds and 4.3 assists in 23.3 minutes per game. The only player in NBA history to hit those levels in the same season while averaging fewer than 24 minutes is … Ginobili last season.

yeah, because if someone is good enough to put up those numbers they will normally play more...

[Joyrider]

Waiting for the, "Will Manu Ginobili Ever Score 15 assists in a single game again?" thread soon...

[SpurPadre]

yeah, because if someone is good enough to put up those numbers they will normally play more...

Oh, he is more than good enough and despite the fact that he's far from his prime, any other coach in the league except for the Heat (though they might even try him at PG) would have him starting now or at least play over 30 minutes a game. That doesn't mean he'd last a full 82 game season for those teams, but they'd get as much mileage as they can out of him. I'm not knocking Pop for that now but Manu is a rhythm player and the more meaningful, consistent minutes he gets, the better he becomes, on the whole. Again, I'm not knocking Pop's handling of Manu these days but let's not say Manu isn't "good enough" because he certainly is.

[jestersmash]

Oh, he is more than good enough and despite the fact that he's far from his prime, any other coach in the league except for the Heat (though they might even try him at PG) would have him starting now or at least play over 30 minutes a game. That doesn't mean he'd last a full 82 game season for those teams, but they'd get as much mileage as they can out of him. I'm not knocking Pop for that now but Manu is a rhythm player and the more meaningful, consistent minutes he gets, the better he becomes, on the whole. Again, I'm not knocking Pop's handling of Manu these days but let's not say Manu isn't "good enough" because he certainly is.

Yeah Manu has strongly hinted in a couple of recent practice sessions that he needs more time on the court in order to find a proper rhythm and that if he's expected to play 30+ MPG in the playoffs (sporadically) that he needs to play 30+ MPG in the regular season leading up to the playoffs. Otherwise, we'll see a tried, useless Manu like we saw in the 4th quarter/OT of the Phoenix game.

[Brunodf]

yeah, because if someone is good enough to put up those numbers they will normally play more...

Exactly, what kind of coach wouldn't play him more...

[kaji157]

Will Manu have a 5 for 5 FT night ever again?

[chapnis]

Lol, this thread.

[PingPong]

Manu going to 40 today. 15 pts just in the 1st quarter...

[spurraider21]

OP where you at? I wouldn't be surprised if Manu doesn't score (it play) in 2nd half but he's made his point tbh

[jARS mEsH sEt]

OP where you at? I wouldn't be surprised if Manu doesn't score (it play) in 2nd half but he's made his point tbh



I'd be foolish to say that Manu will never score 20 points in a single game from here on out, but realistically, I don't think he'll score 20+ points in > 10 games from now until the day he retires.

[spurraider21]

^whats the count so far?

[jARS mEsH sEt]

^whats the count so far?

Since Feb. 28th (when I made that post)? 0. Unless he scores 20 tonight. Then the count will be 1.

[superjames1992]

This thread is the dumbest thread on the internet.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

:cry:cry TP = hero ball :cry:cry

[TMTTRIO]

I don't think he'll get it even though he's playing pretty well.

[superjames1992]

Why are you quoting something I never said jARS?

[Arcadian]

He went off in the 1st quarter, but he only had 2 in the 2nd and 0 in the 3rd. Let's see what happens in the 4th...

[jARS mEsH sEt]

:cry:cry hero ball :cry:cry

Because the entirety of your spurstalk posting career is defined by your horrible takes which can summarily be described as "TP = hero ball :cry :cry"

I was pointing out the irony of ":cry:cry hero ball :cry:cry" superjames1992 calling another thread "dumb." :lol

[spurraider21]

How many 20 point games since birth of this thread?

[superjames1992]

Because the entirety of your spurstalk posting career is defined by your horrible takes which can summarily be described as "TP = hero ball :cry :cry"

I was pointing out the irony of ":cry:cry hero ball :cry:cry" superjames1992 calling another thread "dumb." :lol

LOL, not really. I give Tony props. He's not my favorite player, but he's the best PG in the NBA right now, tbh.

[Arcadian]

:lol Still didn't score 20 points.

(Granted he only took 8 shots, so he was very efficient - but it's just funny because some people thought he would score 40.)

[chapnis]

He could've if he'd wanted to haha

[jARS mEsH sEt]

How many 20 point games since birth of this thread?

17 (including 2012 playoffs).

[Brazil]

:depressed2 pts short

[Phenomanul]

:depressed2 pts short

But he has looked to assist more... could of had 12+ assists last night if some of the chip shots he created for others hadn't gone in-and-out (seemed like 3 or 4 did that)...

[jARS mEsH sEt]

5 points today on 2-9 shooting. Was I too generous thinking he might hit 10 more 20 point games until the day he retires?

[ElNono]

He had 16pts two days ago, and he's on a shooting slump at that... yeah, you're likely to be wrong, tbh

[freetiago]

16 pts on 5-16 field goal
kobe would be proud of that statline

[ElNono]

not sure what part of shooting slump wasn't clear... doesn't invalidate my point at all either...

[jARS mEsH sEt]

not sure what part of shooting slump wasn't clear... doesn't invalidate my point at all either...

I say we have some sort of sig bet or something, tbh.

If Manu scores 20 points > 10 more times until the day he retires, you win. If he scores 20 points only 10 (or less), I win.

[ElNono]

I say we have some sort of sig bet or something, tbh.

If Manu scores 20 points > 10 more times until the day he retires, you win. If he scores 20 points only 10 (or less), I win.

Sure. But make that >= 10 more times... after all, you did say "10 more times"... 2 week sig bet ok? do you want to count playoff games too or not?

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Sure. But make that >= 10 more times... after all, you did say "10 more times"... 2 week sig bet ok? do you want to count playoff games too or not?

Sure thing. And yeah, I meant regular season + playoffs combined. 2 weeks sounds good.

[ElNono]

Sure thing. And yeah, I meant regular season + playoffs combined. 2 weeks sounds good.

done deal

[Arcadian]

When do you guys expect Manu to retire? That's a huge factor in the bet you just made. If he plays 2 more years, it's almost a guarantee he scores 20 points 10 more times. If he retires at the end of this season, it's very unlikely.

[HI-FI]

When do you guys expect Manu to retire? That's a huge factor in the bet you just made. If he plays 2 more years, it's almost a guarantee he scores 20 points 10 more times. If he retires at the end of this season, it's very unlikely.

I hope he sticks around for 2 more years. I think he will be around at least another year. He just needs to be payed what he's worth, which is a glorified role player at this point in his career.

[ElNono]

When do you guys expect Manu to retire? That's a huge factor in the bet you just made. If he plays 2 more years, it's almost a guarantee he scores 20 points 10 more times. If he retires at the end of this season, it's very unlikely.

at least 2 more seasons...

[freetiago]

ill quit posting on this site forever if Manu scores 30 or more
i know CoM would love that
wont even make it a two way bet

[313]

Buuuuuummmmpppp

[313]

He was so close...

[kaji157]

To say the truth he didn´t. it was 18 pts in 18.53 mins.

[Splits]

(no jinx)

[jARS mEsH sEt]

To say the truth he didn´t. it was 18 pts in 18.53 mins.

He didn't but he's been playing phenomenally in both game 1 and game 2. I've been very impressed.

I'm still not going to count game 1 in favor of ElNono though for the purposes of our little "bet" :lol

[ElNono]

I'm still not going to count game 1 in favor of ElNono though for the purposes of our little "bet" :lol

No complains here, tbh... 20+ works for me... Barring anything major, I think we're going to have a couple more seasons to let it play out :toast

[313]

it's cool to bump this now right?

[ElNono]

9 to go...

[hater]

and he had to brick another 3 early in the shot clock at end of the game :pctoss

fucking Manu

[hater]

and he had to brick another 3 early in the shot clock at end of the game :pctoss

fucking Manu

[hater]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao airball in OT :lmao

[ElNono]

Best player today... If not for Neal getting burned, this was a Spurs win

[hater]

best player today was Jarret Jack tbh

[ElNono]

Best player today... If not for Neal getting burned, this was a Spurs win

[superjames1992]

21 points is 21 points. This thread fails again, tbh.

[pikkiwoki]

best player today was Jarret Jack tbh

why the hell didn't we sic cory joseph on him? CoJo was all up in Jack's business in game 3.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Only 18 more points to go....

[Juggity]

Yeah, there was a time when I laughed at this thread, but the situation is pretty dire now.

Manu may actually never score 20 points in a game again if this is how he's going to acquit himself on the highest stage, when he gives it everything he's got.

[PingPong]

Bump

[superjames1992]

Bump
Damn, you beat me. :lol

[PingPong]

:lol Manu is like uhm...Freddy Krueger! :lol:lol:lol

[Gagnrath]

game 5 finals
by the end of the third quarter.

[J.T.]

Manu is one assist away from a double-double. He has zero rebounds, but who fucking cares about rebounds when he's playing like that. Unbelievable.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

I was going to gladly bump this thread myself, tbh. You won't find anyone happier than me when Manu plays well. He's playing like an all star tonight. I give proper respect when it's due. He stepped up like a champion tonight.

[ffadicted]

A+++ bump

[jARS mEsH sEt]

I'm so happy that I'm considering giving ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) credit for 2 "manu 20 point games" for this game alone, given how critical the stakes are. Game 5 of the NBA finals being tied 2-2? That's big time for Manu to step up like this.

Edit: If we win, chalk up credit for two 20 point games for Manu for the purposes of our bet. If we win.

[ElNono]

8 to go...

[jARS mEsH sEt]

7 to go...

tbh

[baseline bum]

24 baby!

[jestersmash]

bump

[Kool Bob Love]

:lmao

[PlayNando]

LMFAO.

[spurraider21]

:tu

[ElNono]

7 to go...

[PlayNando]

Manu has looked really good in the first two games of the season tbh.

[JRHernandez88]

thread backfire :downspin:

[ElNono]

:lol sucks tbh... every time he gets to 16pt or so, Pop pulls the plug... tonight was a great opportunity to get another game down on the count... oh well, plenty of games left...

[jARS mEsH sEt]

:lol sucks tbh... every time he gets to 16pt or so, Pop pulls the plug... tonight was a great opportunity to get another game down on the count... oh well, plenty of games left...

7 more 20 point games to go? I like my chances tbh :lol

[ElNono]

7 more 20 point games to go? I like my chances tbh :lol

:lol driving me crazy, tbh... against the Pelicans he had 16, but since it was a blowout win, Pop sat his ass after just 19mins...

today against the Pacers same thing... scores 16, blowout loss, Pop sits him down after playing only 18 mins... :lol

I still think I'm on the safe side here, with 1.75 seasons to go, but Pop needs to stop the sabotaging, tbh... :lol

[Diego20]

Manu 16 points in 18 minutes, KL 18 points en 36 minutes. If only Manu could play 36 minutes per game..

[Skull-1]

Manu 16 points in 18 minutes, KL 18 points en 36 minutes. If only Manu could play 36 minutes per game..


He is made of glass. If he did that he would shatter bones and be forced to retire.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

TOSB with another solid game today :tu. Approaching 20. I can smell the pre-cum from ElNono. Let's hope Pop keeps him under 25 minutes so he doesn't break 20 :rollin

[spurraider21]

TOSB with another solid game today :tu. Approaching 20. I can smell the pre-cum from ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054). Let's hope Pop keeps him under 25 minutes so he doesn't break 20 :rollin
they're not going to check him back into the game at this point

spectacular game though. 16 points on 10 FGA, 9 assists, only 1 turnover, to go with 1 steal and 1 block. 4-7 from downtown, and a team high +21

[ElNono]

:depressed