Spurs interested in Emeka Okafor

[armynick23]

Here is the link to a news article
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2012/02/nba-trade-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-pursuing-emeka-okafor/

This idea looks promising.

[DMC]

I wouldn't hold my breath.

We won't get an Okafor. We will get a Darko.

[spurbyheart]

I like this Omeka Okufur but I wonder who this articles getting its information from..

[DMC]

I like this Omeka Okufur but I wonder who this articles getting its information from..
From this thread. There's your source.

[Russo21]

That would be a dream come true for this team.

[sehui]

There's barely any credibility towards this. Sounds like some pipedream from a rookie writer or something.

Watch me get proven wrong and we get his ass before the deadline.

[mathbzh]

RJ/Blair for Okafor works.
But I am not sure why the Hornets do that.

[Duncan2177]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mpkgsd

[Hoops Czar]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mpkgsd

I'm sure NO is jumping at the bit to get RJ.

[Robz4000]

The chance this happens is slim to nill, but if it did I would applaud the FO.

[JR3]

I would love this but the source is questionable and its just speculation.

[Hoops Czar]

Someone should notify the Spurs front office cause I don't think they are even aware that they are interested.

[outmap]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mpkgsd

:lobt2: Championship is ours! It makes sense that the Toros signed Julian Wright.

C - Duncan, Splitter
PF - Okafor, Bonner
SF Leonard, Wright
SG - Manu, Green
PG - Parker, Neal

Championship line-up! :toast

[intlspurshk]

If SPURS give up Tiago, the trade will look more fair to both sides but it's still a big question mark about why Hornet would absorb RJ's contract

[Darkwaters]

I'd do RJ/Blair/Anderson for Okafor, and even toss in a first to sweeten the pot if needed. I think Anderson could even be deleted from the deal and the salaries match - in case they weren't interested in "taking a look".

Is that enough to get it done? Doubtful.

But hey, it's the NBA Hornets - who knows, right?

[Ditty]

RJ isn't going anywhere this season,he will be amnestied this summer, and the RJ era will be over thankfully, the owners know he has a cancerous contract. The best we can hope for from the NBA Hornets is that Kaman gets bought out, but still even if that happens, I don't think we would be his number 1 choice.

[mountainballer]

this article has as much beef as most of the "trade idea" threads started by -100 posts members. absolutely no indication that Spurs did have some interest and looking at the numbers we see that only someone who ignores every basic logic can create such a dumb idea.
first off, Okafor is owned 28 million for two seasons after this one. his contract would ruin any cap flexibility till 2014 and would make a rebuilding process impossible. and he isn't even an above average player. good defender and below average offensive player. a nice #3 in your big rotation, if you have to pay him 6 million per.
outside this, he wouldn't be a good fit, either alongside Tim or Tiago. looking at the Hornets roster, Carl Landry would be a much better fit from what he offers and what the Spurs need. (overpayed as well, but just for this season).

[Darkwaters]

this article has as much beef as most of the "trade idea" threads started by -100 posts members. absolutely no indication that Spurs did have some interest and looking at the numbers we see that only someone who ignores every basic logic can create such a dumb idea.
first off, Okafor is owned 28 million for two seasons after this one. his contract would ruin any cap flexibility till 2014 and would make a rebuilding process impossible. and he isn't even an above average player. good defender and below average offensive player. a nice #3 in your big rotation, if you have to pay him 6 million per.
outside this, he wouldn't be a good fit, either alongside Tim or Tiago. looking at the Hornets roster, Carl Landry would be a much better fit from what he offers and what the Spurs need. (overpayed as well, but just for this season).

I think you overstate the ability of the average NBA big. I would definitely argue that Okafor is a starting caliber player. Now whether or not he fits in with our system and personnel is another issue entirely. But saying he shouldn't be starting just gives too much credence to some of Andris Biendrins of the world.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

this article has as much beef as most of the "trade idea" threads started by -100 posts members. absolutely no indication that Spurs did have some interest and looking at the numbers we see that only someone who ignores every basic logic can create such a dumb idea.
first off, Okafor is owned 28 million for two seasons after this one. his contract would ruin any cap flexibility till 2014 and would make a rebuilding process impossible. and he isn't even an above average player. good defender and below average offensive player. a nice #3 in your big rotation, if you have to pay him 6 million per.
outside this, he wouldn't be a good fit, either alongside Tim or Tiago. looking at the Hornets roster, Carl Landry would be a much better fit from what he offers and what the Spurs need. (overpayed as well, but just for this season).

Not only this, but any idea that NO would take on RJ's contract is ridiculously unfounded to say the least. Tbh, it's totally retarded.

[Redshadows]

Does it mean Splitter really hurt seriously?

[SA210]

Someone should notify the Spurs front office cause I don't think they are even aware that they are interested.

:lol

[TE]

If this goes through, I'll eat my dogs shit the moment the transaction happens.


What a fucking pipe dream. :(

[Maddog]

I wouldn't discount thsi story,
It comes from a well known NBA insider-

Howard Alperin is Managing Editor of AmericanizeSoccer.com

[Hooks]

I doubt the Spurs will do anything this year before the trade deadline.

Next year's Spurs team has the potential to be A LOT better than this years.

-Amnesty RJ, sign Batum or let Kawhi start, re-sign Neal/Green, sign Kaman or any other solid big (there are quite a bit in FA), sign TD at a low price, draft a PF, resign Ford.

Getting rid of RJ alone will help the Spurs TREMENDOUSLY, his terrible play has cost the Spurs, offensively he's a black hole, defensively he's shit, even his passing is garbage.

Kawhi is already better than RJ, so is Green.


IMO, Kaman and Batum are two guys the Spurs could definitely get next year. Kaman seems like he wouldn't mind signing in a small market like the Spurs, and Batum has wanted to play for the Spurs, the Spurs even promised they would draft him, a defensive SF that has a lot of potential, he's also got some good offensive game.


Hopefully TD doesn't demand too much money leaving the Spurs a lot of flexibility.

[Hooks]

I doubt the Spurs will do anything this year before the trade deadline.

Next year's Spurs team has the potential to be A LOT better than this years.

-Amnesty RJ, sign Batum or let Kawhi start, re-sign Neal/Green, sign Kaman or any other solid big (there are quite a bit in FA), sign TD at a low price, draft a PF, resign Ford.

Getting rid of RJ alone will help the Spurs TREMENDOUSLY, his terrible play has cost the Spurs, offensively he's a black hole, defensively he's shit, even his passing is garbage.

Kawhi is already better than RJ, so is Green.


IMO, Kaman and Batum are two guys the Spurs could definitely get next year. Kaman seems like he wouldn't mind signing in a small market like the Spurs, and Batum has wanted to play for the Spurs, the Spurs even promised they would draft him, a defensive SF that has a lot of potential, he's also got some good offensive game.


Hopefully TD doesn't demand too much money leaving the Spurs a lot of flexibility.

[jag]

If this goes through, I'll eat my dogs shit the moment the transaction happens.
What a fucking pipe dream. :(

That's what I usually do when I'm excited.

[timvp]

1. Not a real source

2. Not going to happen

3. Amnestying RJ > Absorbing Okafor's contract

[Darkwaters]

Amnesty RJ
Agreed. One of the first things you do. Hopefully someone else picks him up off the amnesty system and takes some of his salary off our hands. For 1M per year he'd be a nice signing - especially for a young team looking to grow but wanting a veteran to mentor youth.


Sign Batum or let Kawhi start
Why do this next year? Start Kawhi this season. As far as signing Batum....maybe. I'd have to really look at the list of available free agents (and see the total money we've got after Duncan/Green) to determine if that makes sense. We've got plenty of wings as it is, and Leonard is our future at SF.


Resign Neal/Green
Agreed. Resign Green. After consideration I like the 2 yrs/4M proposal, but I think I'd be willing to go a little higher if needed.

Neal isn't a free agent.


Sign Kaman or any other solid big
I like Kaman a lot but I don't know what kind of money he'd command. The Spurs should probably gauge Erazem Lorbek's interest first and see if hes a realistic option (and determine just how good they think he can be) before diving in on bigmen.


Sign TD at a low price
First priority in the offseason. It'll happen for certain, just not sure exactly what the monetary hit will be


Draft a PF
Maybe. I'd prefer to trade the 1st rounder along with Blair/Anderson this season and maybe get a decent prospect for this season's stretch run. If that happens then the need may not be there (nor may the ability is the draft pick is gone).


Resign Ford
Agreed. I'd ink him to a two year deal near the vet minimum.


We should also consider signing Nando DeColo to replace Anderson.

[yavozerb]

1. Not a real source

2. Not going to happen

3. Amnestying RJ > Absorbing Okafor's contract

1. Correct

2. probably correct, but anythings possible.

3. After giving some thought to this, would the spurs rather pay RJ the remaining 20+ mil and get nothing in return...Or would the spurs be willing to take on an additional 7 mil on a player who will actually earn his payday and is at position of need? This is no slam dunk and I am pretty sure the spurs do not want to simply give $ away

[Darkwaters]

Okafor is definitely a pipe dream. And this "article" isn't much more authoritative then a Vaughn + Oberto + Bowen for LeBron trade thread.

Still, it's fun to dream about a bigman not named Matthew, Bonner, DeJuan or Blair.

[hater]

RJ isn't going anywhere this season,he will be amnestied this summer, and the RJ era will be over thankfully,

someone lives in reality :toast

still, we have Blair, Green, Anderson, I'd give up even Bonner to get a closer version to a bigman

[Russ]

Okafor is the one big I've hoped the Spurs would get for years.

He's the perfect Spur, an African-American who is about as hip as David Robinson. More African than American. More interested in hitting the books than hitting the clubs. (Okay, that was shameless stereotyping but you get the point.) He'd fit right in with the Spurs' Foreign Legion.

He'd be pretty close to his native H-town in SA and he plays exactly the way a Spur big needs to.

Spurs need to get the Lakers to consumate a deal for Okafor, then slip in when the NBA nixes it. (We could send the Lakers' D-league team one of our studs from the Austin Toros.)

[Mal]

There will be a buyout. Some solid big men will be waived. Kaman , Diaw, Turiaf, are the first names comes to mind. No need to trade for this bad contract.

Spurs still have a chance for ring, bringing Okafor here wont increase it too much. With or without Okafor , Spurs have a shot to win West, and then a miracle is needed to win over Miami.

And why Hornets would want RJ ? They have Gordon, Aminu, Ariza at SF. There will be Harrison Barnes, Quincy Miller or Austin Rivers avaible with Minny pick. Or even Gilchrist with their own.

[alamo50]

Would be a great addition, but too late now.

[VBM]

The real pipe dream is the thought of signing Batum outright. Portland will overpay to keep him.

[DPG21920]

I think Timvp has gone nuts. Is Okafor perfect? No, but he gives the Spurs another legit (albeit over paid) big man that would force a defensive brand of ball. Yes, spurs would lose out on the ability to amnesty RJ, but I would argue that the Spurs could salary dump Okafor if they wanted; you can move competent big men if you really want; RJ not so much.

Not only that, but Okafor is better than anyone Spurs could hope for in FA anyways. Spurs, especially if they aren't going into scorched Earth mode are in win now mode and must do something quasi-significant to bolster the front line defensively.

[wildbill2u]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mpkgsd

The interesting outcome of the trade is that the Spurs would be projected to lose four games because of it while the Hornets would be plus three. Check it out.

[Russ]

The interesting outcome of the trade is that the Spurs would be projected to lose four games because of it while the Hornets would be plus three. Check it out.

Nobody wanted Bowen when the Spurs picked him up.

Nobody wanted Horry when the Spurs picked him up.

Okafor is a good player whose value is low right now. That's not a bad thing, that's a good thing. (Just ask someone who has made a few bucks in the stock market, like the Spurs, rather than the many who have lost on stocks, like the rest of the NBA.)

[mountainballer]

Okafor is a good player whose value is low right now.

his value is low right now, b/c his salary isn't.
ever thought about coherences.
RJ's value in 2009 was low enough to get him for just a bunch of expiring contracts, b/c his salary no longer met his impact.
was it a good deal for the Spurs?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I wouldn't hold my breath.

We won't get an Okafor. We will get a Darko.

To make matters worse it will probably be Donnie.

[kaji157]

Realistically i think Okafor, while being far from a perfec fit (cause perfect fit for Pop Scheme would be Kevin Love) is and will be for the next 3 years th best Big the Spurs will have at reach (i mean realistically speaking). And if that costs the owner an extra 7 millions, we should go for it.
With Okafor on the team, TD will surelly take a paycut and play an extra one or two years, same for Ginobili who seems still productive. That should be enough to pull the trigger, gave this players another chance after the way the FO missed on both Scola and RJ.
Plus, Okafor is a much better asset than RJ, Blair (or Cory Joseph) and Anderson cobined.
Te only thing that tickles me is loosing RJ. Yes, as far as he has been a fiasco this is perhaps his most consistent season in defense and seems to finally understood his place on the team. But as said before, Okafor might be the best big SA could have a shoot to for a forseable future.

[elemento]

I don't even think NOLA wants to trade him. They don't want Kaman and he is not in their long-term plans. If they trade Okafor, who the heck plays Center for them ?

Jason Smith ? :lol

He is overpaid, but 3y/40m for a Center like him is not outrageous at all considering how much decent Centers get paid in the NBA.

Plus, we have nothing to get him considering the fact that they don't want any part of Dick Jefferson

[Leetonidas]

Okafor would guarantee us a title if we didn't give up the big 3, Kawhi, or Tiago and everyone is healthy. Assuming Blair would be shipped out, a 3 headed monster of Duncan, Okafor, and Splitter is very solid. :tu

It's not going to happen but it would be sweet

[DesignatedT]

For those saying Amnesty RJ > Okafor... What do you think we can get in the off-season that's better than Okafor?

[DJB]

"Tim Duncan would re-work his contract if Okafor came to San Antonio. For Duncan, having Okafor coming to play alongside him in his twilight years, would be similar to how things ended for David Robinson."

Wow, really?

[Maddog]

1. Not a real source

You're kidding right?
This was written by Howard Alperin
THE Howard ALperin

Howard Alperin is Managing Editor of AmericanizeSoccer.com

[timvp]

3. Amnestying RJ > Absorbing Okafor's contract

To clarify I meant this in terms of what ownership would think. Obviously if you can flip RJ's rotting corpse for a useful bigman, you do it. Okafor isn't perfect but he's certainly better than what RJ will give you.

But unfortunately that amnesty clause will cause Holt and co. to balk at such a deal. It'd be impossible to sell the idea of absorbing that salary when the FO doesn't know how much it will cost to re-sign Duncan.

[yavozerb]

For those saying Amnesty RJ > Okafor... What do you think we can get in the off-season that's better than Okafor?

agreed..In my opinion the spurs would gladly use RJ's cap room and then some for Okafor and possibly make up the difference in amnestying Bonner. Bonner would get most of his current contract picked up by someone and the spurs would lose very little while addressing the position most in need.

[Muser]

It'd be impossible to sell the idea of absorbing that salary when the FO doesn't know how much it will cost to re-sign Duncan.

I'd of thought the FO has been negotiating this with Duncan for a while surely?

[Hoops Czar]

For those saying Amnesty RJ > Okafor... What do you think we can get in the off-season that's better than Okafor?

Go after Hibbert

[yavozerb]

Go after Hibbert

Do you really think the Pacers are gonna let Hibbert go somewhere else this summer? Not gonna happen

[Darkwaters]

For those saying Amnesty RJ > Okafor... What do you think we can get in the off-season that's better than Okafor?

Rasho Nesterovic

[Hoops Czar]

Do you really think the Pacers are gonna let Hibbert go somewhere else this summer? Not gonna happen

Thats really up to Hibbert, not the Pacers.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Thats really up to Hibbert, not the Pacers.

It's up to the Pacers, he's restricted.

[Hoops Czar]

It's up to the Pacers, he's restricted.

Yep, I was just going to re-edit after I looked it up. Sometimes, it pays to look things up ahead of time.

[armynick23]

:lobt2: Championship is ours! It makes sense that the Toros signed Julian Wright.

C - Duncan, Splitter
PF - Okafor, Bonner
SF Leonard, Wright
SG - Manu, Green
PG - Parker, Neal

Championship line-up! :toast

Finally someone who is a smart Basketball fan, I like this line up

[txstr1986]

:lol at the idea of the NBA owned team helping out the Spurs.

Now maybe if it was LA...

[Ditty]

Finally someone who is a smart Basketball fan, I like this line up

Anyone who thinks RJ is tradeable is not a smart basketball fan, sure that would be nice if it happened but it wont

[timvp]

I'd of thought the FO has been negotiating this with Duncan for a while surely?

Doubt it. The Spurs would like that but what does Duncan have to gain? It will all come down to how he feels at the end of the season. The Spurs wouldn't pressure him to come to a decision now and that's the last thing on Duncan's mind at the moment.





P.S.

Does Duncan even have an agent these days? Serious question.

[elemento]

People really think someone wants Jefferson and his remaining 21m contract? :lmao

The only way to trade Jefferson is bringing another shit contract back or adding value. I doubt our FO does it, considering that we can just use the amnesty clause on him.

[DPG21920]

Okafors contract is worse than RJ's

[Mel_13]

I think Timvp has gone nuts. Is Okafor perfect? No, but he gives the Spurs another legit (albeit over paid) big man that would force a defensive brand of ball. Yes, spurs would lose out on the ability to amnesty RJ, but I would argue that the Spurs could salary dump Okafor if they wanted; you can move competent big men if you really want; RJ not so much.

Not only that, but Okafor is better than anyone Spurs could hope for in FA anyways. Spurs, especially if they aren't going into scorched Earth mode are in win now mode and must do something quasi-significant to bolster the front line defensively.


Okafors contract is worse than RJ's

Pick a side.

[xellos88330]

I like Okafor. Doubt the Spurs could get him, but it would be glorious if they could do it.

[yavozerb]

Anyone who thinks RJ is tradeable is not a smart basketball fan, sure that would be nice if it happened but it wont


People really think someone wants Jefferson and his remaining 21m contract? :lmao

The only way to trade Jefferson is bringing another shit contract back or adding value. I doubt our FO does it, considering that we can just use the amnesty clause on him.

Actually, yes, since Okafors contract has about 27-28 mil left..People, the spurs do not want to pay RJ 80% of his current contract while he is playing for another team which would happen if he was amnisteed. That is a last resort for the spurs FO.

[DPG21920]

I did. You can have a worse contract and still be easier to move. In fact, I outlined why I thought that in the very part you highlighted in case you missed it (competent big men).

They aren't mutually exclusive those posts you quoted.

[elemento]

Actually, yes, since Okafors contract has about 27-28 mil left..People, the spurs do not want to pay RJ 80% of his current contract while he is playing for another team which would happen if he was amnisteed. That is a last resort for the spurs FO.

You forgot the part that NOLA doesn't want any part of Dick Jefferson and his 21m contract.

If the Spurs don't want to pay Dick's contract, they shouldn't have given him a 39m contract when he didn't deserve half of that in the 1st place. You make a mistake, you deal with it.

Any team in the league would rather pay 27m for Emeka instead of 21m for Jefferson, including NOLA.

[Mel_13]

I did. You can have a worse contract and still be easier to move. In fact, I outlined why I thought that in the very part you highlighted in case you missed it (competent big men).

They aren't mutually exclusive those posts you quoted.

I believe that they are.

[DPG21920]

Why?

[yavozerb]

You forgot the part that NOLA doesn't want any part of Dick Jefferson and his 21m contract.

If the Spurs don't want to pay Dick's contract, they shouldn't have given him a 39m contract when he didn't deserve half of that in the 1st place. You make a mistake, you deal with it.

Any team in the league would rather pay 27m for Emeka instead of 21m for Jefferson, including NOLA.

of course anyone would want Okafor over RJ but thats why the spurs would need to sweeten the pot a little: draft pick and some youth. Saving 6-7 mil over 2 years isnt all that bad a sweetner either...

[Ditty]

Actually, yes, since Okafors contract has about 27-28 mil left..People, the spurs do not want to pay RJ 80% of his current contract while he is playing for another team which would happen if he was amnisteed. That is a last resort for the spurs FO.

Yes that's true, but I don't see that the Hornets have a need for another small forward when they already have Aminu, and Ariza.

[yavozerb]

Yes that's true, but I don't see that the Hornets have a need for another small forward when they already have Aminu, and Ariza.

If they needed to move Ariza i am pretty sure there would be takers...But yes, that is 1 of many things wrong with this trade rumour..

[Mel_13]

Why?

For the obvious reason; the two positions contradict one another.

To even begin to convince me otherwise you would have to make your case that Okafor's contract is worse than RJ's. I see RJ's contract as significantly worse, as does everyone that's commented on their relative value in this thread. Feel free to try, but I don't see how you can make that case. RJ at 2/21 is much worse that Okafor at 2/28.

[DPG21920]

I meant worse with regards to money owed, not value. The person I quoted stated RJs money owed and I replied with Okafors is worse and in context I was referring to total money owed.

[Mel_13]

I meant worse with regards to money owed, not value. The person I quoted stated RJs money owed and I replied with Okafors is worse and in context I was referring to total money owed.


I did. You can have a worse contract and still be easier to move. In fact, I outlined why I thought that in the very part you highlighted in case you missed it (competent big men).

They aren't mutually exclusive those posts you quoted.

That's not what you said, even in reply to my post.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Then you mean, more expensive, not worse.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

:lol at the idea of the NBA owned team helping out the Spurs.

Now maybe if it was LA...
im guessing you where not around for the chris paul to Lakers deal.

[DPG21920]

I said the same thing "worse" because of what you quoted. I just explained to you what I meant when I was using the word worse and if you don't like that, fine. I'm not going to debate with you like Chump when I took the time to clarify what I meant with my use of the word "worse" in the context of what you quoted.

Hence my entire argument that even though Okafors contract is "worse" he's easier moved than RJ. If it were with regards to value, that wouldn't make sense (which now I see why you were confused with what I said)

[DPG21920]

Then you mean, more expensive, not worse.

In the context of what Mel was saying, yes. That was not my meaning when I used the word.

[Mel_13]

I said the same thing "worse" because of what you quoted. I just explained to you what I meant when I was using the word worse and if you don't like that, fine. I'm not going to debate with you like Chump when I took the time to clarify what I meant with my use of the word "worse" in the context of what you quoted.

Hence my entire argument that even though Okafors contract is "worse" he's easier moved than RJ. If it were with regards to value, that wouldn't make sense (which now I see why you were confused with what I said)

I also have no interest in debating what you meant in various posts. Your current position makes sense, even if it contradicts an earlier position in this thread. I'm happy to accept your latest position.

[DPG21920]

Thanks!

[Shifty]

I also have no interest in debating what you meant in various posts. Your current position makes sense, even if it contradicts an earlier position in this thread. I'm happy to accept your latest position.

What a fun and confusing conversation you 2 had. I hope I don't contradict myself too.

[txstr1986]

im guessing you where not around for the chris paul to Lakers deal.

LA Clippers

[Darkwaters]

It would have been the Lakers if basically the rest of the league didn't have a fit.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

LA Clippers
Why would clippers want Okafor when they have Jordan?

[Kindergarten Cop]

LA Clippers


Why would clippers want Okafor when they have Jordan?

http://www.8bitbrigade.com/images/smilies/954-not-sure-if-serious.jpg

Surely you know that this isn't what he/she meant, right?

[DPG21920]

So question: The amnesty of RJ for the Spurs really isn't saving them money, correct? They aren't luxury tax payers next year and they still have to pay RJ the money on his contract. The benefit is with regards to opening up cap space and if that is the case the question then becomes is paying 10M to RJ and getting no production + money to a player of the ~mid-level caliber (so let's say 14-15M total for the two) better than paying that full 14M to Okafor? In a bubble obviously because I don't see why NO would really do that (he's not bad enough to just want to save a few million a year IMO), but I just wonder why Spurs fans wouldn't want the trade if they would take RJ as the centerpiece.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

http://www.8bitbrigade.com/images/smilies/954-not-sure-if-serious.jpg

Surely you know that this isn't what he/she meant, right?
:lol yes. just trying to get a funny response.

[txstr1986]

:lol yes. just trying to get a funny response.

It worked. "Not sure if serious" has to be one of the best memes.

[Pelicans78]

Okafor would be a nice contract to dump, but if not, he's a solid starter for two more seasons.

[Proxy]

Batum and Kaman seems too good to be true, even if it is within the realm of possibility money-wise. That would be a scary Spurs team.

[angelbelow]

So question: The amnesty of RJ for the Spurs really isn't saving them money, correct? They aren't luxury tax payers next year and they still have to pay RJ the money on his contract. The benefit is with regards to opening up cap space and if that is the case the question then becomes is paying 10M to RJ and getting no production + money to a player of the ~mid-level caliber (so let's say 14-15M total for the two) better than paying that full 14M to Okafor? In a bubble obviously because I don't see why NO would really do that (he's not bad enough to just want to save a few million a year IMO), but I just wonder why Spurs fans wouldn't want the trade if they would take RJ as the centerpiece.

I would like to do RJ+Filler for Emeka as well. To play devils advocate:
-Emeka is more offensively challenged then Blair. How would he look next to Duncan? I think our offense would struggle a lot with those two on the floor at the same time but I think our defense would be pretty sick.
-Emeka won't do well with Bonner because he is not a post threat nor is he a decorated passer.
-Emeka might do well with Splitter because he has a 15 footer that he can hit at a eFG% of 43%. So to be nitpicky.. he doesn't theoretically fit well with any of our bigs on offense.

Advantages:
-Known as a defender and would undoubtedly improve our defense with his rebounding and rim protection.
-We don't have to worry about what kind of contract we give to Duncan because he can expire with Emeka in 2014.
-In 2014 we would have to re-up Splitter and Parker. If Splitter proves to be a worthy "allstar" type player then we have plenty of room to resign him AND go after another allstar caliber free agent.

[Seventyniner]

Question for those of you willing to take Okafor's contract for RJ: Would you trade RJ + filler for Okafor + Ariza? That would cripple the Spurs' cap for the next two seasons (possibly pushing them into the tax depending on Duncan), but would give the team an immediate improvement.

Obviously those who wouldn't do RJ for Okafor for contract reasons wouldn't want Ariza added in. I'm just trying to find a reason for the NBA Hornets to do the deal. Dumping Okafor and Ariza for RJ clears $10.5M in cap room each of the next two seasons, and with the Pau Gasol trade, we saw that a team with new ownership coming in tends to like having a mostly clear payroll.

Edit: On second thought, though, the Spurs would have to add in Bonner, Anderson, and one or two of the cheap players (Green, Blair, Neal) to make the salaries match, so nevermind. That price isn't worth it.

[CGD]

Meh, a lot better than a lot of crack pipe dreams out there. Spurs would have to take on about 6M in additional salary over the next two years (adding the other added pieces), but I think it's worth it for a quality big man.

[DPG21920]

I would like to do RJ+Filler for Emeka as well. To play devils advocate:
-Emeka is more offensively challenged then Blair. How would he look next to Duncan? I think our offense would struggle a lot with those two on the floor at the same time but I think our defense would be pretty sick.
-Emeka won't do well with Bonner because he is not a post threat nor is he a decorated passer.
-Emeka might do well with Splitter because he has a 15 footer that he can hit at a eFG% of 43%. So to be nitpicky.. he doesn't theoretically fit well with any of our bigs on offense.

Advantages:
-Known as a defender and would undoubtedly improve our defense with his rebounding and rim protection.
-We don't have to worry about what kind of contract we give to Duncan because he can expire with Emeka in 2014.
-In 2014 we would have to re-up Splitter and Parker. If Splitter proves to be a worthy "allstar" type player then we have plenty of room to resign him AND go after another allstar caliber free agent.

He doesn't fit well on offense, but I think when you have Duncan/Parker/Manu/Green starting you have plenty of offense. Offense isn't the problem, but depth (upfront), defense and shot blocking. Spurs have seen their offense first teams flame out; we know that doesn't work. What we don't know is if a defense oriented approach with someone like Okafor will work, but IMO they have to try something because what they have does not work.

Again, this is somewhat in a bubble because I doubt NO does a RJ for Okafor swap, but if the Spurs first rounder would entice them I don't get why Spurs fans wouldn't want this because of the reasons I outlined above. Yes, you lose the ability to amnesty RJ, but for the same money essentially you get Okafor vs Nothing (RJ amnesty)+mid level player.

I also think that although you can't amnesty Okafor, you do have a pretty good likelihood of just salary dumping him which is actually a better scenario than the amnesty anyways.

[angelbelow]

He doesn't fit well on offense, but I think when you have Duncan/Parker/Manu/Green starting you have plenty of offense. Offense isn't the problem, but depth (upfront), defense and shot blocking. Spurs have seen their offense first teams flame out; we know that doesn't work. What we don't know is if a defense oriented approach with someone like Okafor will work, but IMO they have to try something because what they have does not work.

Saying that offense isn't a problem is probably going too far but I completely agree with your overall idea. Having Okafor gives an opportunity infuse a shot blocking, defensive minded big and a possible return to our elite defensive schemes. So Okafor is a cause for concern offensively but the juice is worth the squeeze at this point.


Again, this is somewhat in a bubble because I doubt NO does a RJ for Okafor swap, but if the Spurs first rounder would entice them I don't get why Spurs fans wouldn't want this because of the reasons I outlined above. Yes, you lose the ability to amnesty RJ, but for the same money essentially you get Okafor vs Nothing (RJ amnesty)+mid level player.

I also think that although you can't amnesty Okafor, you do have a pretty good likelihood of just salary dumping him which is actually a better scenario than the amnesty anyways.

If NO is willing to take James Anderson and a first pick as a deal sweetener, that would be pretty cool. Something along the lines of RJ, Anderson, and Blair would be more ideal because we can maybe keep out 1st rounder. In most scenarios, trading RJ for a big is a positive and this trade definitely fits the bill as a positive acquisition.

If Okafor's contract was beyond 2014, I might disagree about the salary dumping as I believe a bad player is always difficult to get rid of. But 2014 is the year we likely re-evaluate our roster and make significant changes so Emeka's contract wouldn't get in way of that.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Sorry if this has been posted before, but is Okafor injured currently? Just wondering why he isn't playing tonight?

[DPG21920]

I'm not saying Okafor = title, I'm just saying that the price the Spurs would likely pay to get him (RJ + filler) is worth it.

[DPG21920]

Sorry if this has been posted before, but is Okafor injured currently? Just wondering why he isn't playing tonight?

He is out with a knee injury but doesn't appear to be too serious.

[Pelicans78]

Hornets aren't gonna take RJ's contract for Okafor.

[venitian navigator]

Considering that Aminu has not played well till now for them, the trade that probably NO could consider is Ariza + Aminu for RJ.
The years are the same (three still for Ariza and two/three for Aminu), there are other players in the same role of Aminu that are gonna play minutes (Henry), RJ is a better offensive player than Ariza and they need offense, and in case he's not working they can amnesty him and free a 9 millions cap space.
For Spurs could work 'cause Ariza should be a better defensive player and, probably, as good or better spot up shooter than RJ but with more "balls" coming play off time...and Aminu could be developed in a small ball four (that's probably the role he was playing at college level).

[CGD]

Hornets aren't gonna take RJ's contract for Okafor.

The NBA's goal with its NO franchise is to have it be acquired by a private owner, period. Under that paradigm, the NBA should do everything in its power to sheld large contracts even if the move appears marginal to the average fan. Shedding about 7M in salary plus potentially picking up a first round pick, plus cheap contracts is EXACTLY what NO is about right now. Until that team is sold, it's all business in NO. The league has a responsibility to the rest of the owners. Accordingly I don't think an Okafor RJ swap is that far fetched, and frankly the Spurs would have more leverage than most would think in such trade talks for the same reason.

[acoelho1]

It's hard to imagine NO taking on RJ's contract but if they were remotely interested, I would absolutely do it. It gives exactly what we need.. toughness and defense down low. I would be tempted to throw in Neal or Green to make the deal happen.

[024]

did that article seriously compare young duncan/robinson to okafor/old duncan??

[Budkin]

Not happening.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Considering that Aminu has not played well till now for them, the trade that probably NO could consider is Ariza + Aminu for RJ.
The years are the same (three still for Ariza and two/three for Aminu), there are other players in the same role of Aminu that are gonna play minutes (Henry), RJ is a better offensive player than Ariza and they need offense, and in case he's not working they can amnesty him and free a 9 millions cap space.


Not true - they can't amnesty RJ after trading for him. Puts the whole theory to sleep.

NO aren't taking RJ's contract and even if they're up for a deal like that all the other NBA teams will throw a hissy fit worse than whan happened when the Chris Paul deal to the Lakers was on the table. How people can't quite grasp that is unbelievable in the extreme.

If they're trading away Okafor, which they would love to, it would be for an expiring contract, such as Okur + filler or even into Indiana's huge available cap space, say Okafor + Minny's pick + future 1st round pick for a TE. But they're not taking back a contract as bad as RJs. Not that I think Indiana would be up for a deal like that, but NO certainly would.

[TE]

Who woulda thunk an article like this would get people so worked up on a possible trade. So much analysis, scenarios, and the like... lol


:lol all these brought up scenarios don't mean shit unless something happens, or at the very least, the FO throws a bone and the sports media spins it into a newsworthy headline.

[G-Dawgg]

If you hear about it, it will never happpen....

[urunobili]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/130/552/How_about_no-%28n1302895761203%29.jpg?1307251930

[elemento]

Considering that Aminu has not played well till now for them, the trade that probably NO could consider is Ariza + Aminu for RJ.
The years are the same (three still for Ariza and two/three for Aminu), there are other players in the same role of Aminu that are gonna play minutes (Henry), RJ is a better offensive player than Ariza and they need offense, and in case he's not working they can amnesty him and free a 9 millions cap space.
For Spurs could work 'cause Ariza should be a better defensive player and, probably, as good or better spot up shooter than RJ but with more "balls" coming play off time...and Aminu could be developed in a small ball four (that's probably the role he was playing at college level).

So because Aminu is a bust, they should trade him and Ariza for a player that is worse, older and more expensive than Ariza ? How that makes any sense?

Plus, if they trade Ariza and Aminu for Jefferson, they can't use the amnesty clause on him. We're the only team able to do it.

We should stop these delusional attempts to get rid of Jefferson. Nobody in the NBA wants him for 9/10m a year.

[Agloco]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/130/552/How_about_no-%28n1302895761203%29.jpg?1307251930

No as in you wouldn't do this (or a similar trade) or no as in the trade is a pipe dream?

[manufan10]

I'll believe this when I see it actually happen.

[cd98]

Another argument: even if we could trick the Hornets into making a bad deal, the league would surely veto it.

[Duncan2177]

Would trading Jefferson,Anderson and a 1st round draft pick for Okafor save the Hornets close to $10 million in salary over the next 2 seasons? Gives NO a far reaching prospect in James Anderson and gives them a future first rounder.

[SenorSpur]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mpkgsd

As unlikely as this rumor may seem, this trade, including the principals involved, make the most sense - by far for both teams.

Okafor's salary is for the next 3 seasons:
2011 - $12,541,812
2012 - $13,543,250
2013 - $14,544,687
Total: $40,629749

RJ's salary is also for the next 3 seasons:
2011 - $9,282,000
2012 - $10,164,000
2013 - $11,046,000
Total: $30,492,000

How this trade benefits the Spurs:
This trade benefits the Spurs because it will unload a young SG (Anderson), who desparately wants more playing time. With both Danny Green and Gary Neal continuing to flourish in their roles, the Spurs will not miss Anderson at all. The fact of the matter is it's very fair to say that THEY are the reason Anderson has become expendable. The trade also benefits the Spurs in that they would no longer be forced to continue relying the play of an undersized center (Blair), who is out of position. Of course getting rid of Jefferson, would allow to Spurs to get rid of his bad contract and prevent them from having to utilize the amnesty provision in order to do so. Furthermore, getting rid of RJ immediately opens the door for Leonard to assume a permanent starting role. And the most important benefit of all, the acquisition of Okafor gives the team the much-needed shotblocking, scoring and rebounding presence to pair along with Duncan. Okafor's presence will instantly improve the Spurs post defense and FG% defense. The Spurs will then have the necessary muscle needed to match up with the likes of Perkins and Ibaka (OKC); Gasol and Bynum (Fakers) and Nowitzki and Haywood (Mavs). Since, the Spurs are currently the #2 seed, this move could propel them over the top.

How this trade benefits the Hornets:
The trade benefits NO in that by exchanging RJ's contract for Okafor's, they will be saving probably roughly over $10 million over the next 3 years. RJ will give them an instant starter at the 3 spot, with Ariza backing him up off the bench. In Anderson, the Hornets get a young, developing and hungry SG, who has shooting ability and upside. In Blair, they get a young, undersized PF, who will improve their frontline depth, so long as there are no Whataburgers in the Crescent City. Also for Blair, he will no longer have to play the 5 spot and go up against bigger centers. He can then pair with Chris Kaman to solidify their frontline. Another benefit for the Hornets is, by trading Okakor, they are free to resign Kaman this offseason, if they so choose to do so. I doubt it, but the option for them is there. And with two first round picks, one perhaps even in the top 5, they will be able to literally rebuild their frontline, on the cheap.

The way I see it, is since the Hornets are currently owned by the league and are woefully cash-poor, they will be looking to build almost exclusively via the draft. Therefore, they almost have to unload Okafor on some team - especially since they have been unable to find any takers for Kaman, and his expiring contract.

With the relationship and mutual respect between the two front offices, I see a favorable deal here for both teams, that will hopefully get done.

[manufan10]

With the relationship and mutual respect between the two front offices, I see a favorable deal here for both teams, that will hopefully get done.

The only problem I foresee is if this rumor actually has any substance. I won't believe the rumor until someone more reputable reputation.

[elemento]

Man i gotta say some Spurs fans here are totally delusional.

1st - NOLA is not saving roughly 10m simply because this season has already started and the players are getting paid already. Not to mention they would be adding Anderson's salary and Blair's.

2nd - They don't want to resign Kaman. They've been trying to trade him since they got him. They don't see him as their future starting Center and considering his injury history, they are probably right.

3rd- Do you guys truly believe Jefferson is better than Ariza to start over him ? NOLA would have 3 SFs in their lineup making 20m. Not to mention that adding Jefferson means less playing time for Aminu, a young SF they probably want to develop while they're tanking.

4th - Assuming they want to get rid of Emeka, i team like POR, desperate for a quality starting material Center, could easily offer them Camby's expiring + a pick or a young prospect, something much better than taking Dick's contract.

5th and last - NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

[SenorSpur]

It may not happen, at all. Those were just some reasons as to why it would make sense for both teams, it if did.

[Pelicans78]

The problem is the Hornets are already paying Ariza for the next two seasons. Makes no sense to acquire another SF with a similar contract. If Ariza wasn't there, then it would make sense.

[Mal]

Could Spurs had a word with Batum and/or Hibbert about free agency ? Or is it prohibited to talk ?

[Kuestmaster]

I'd prefer ride with the actual roster until this summer, dump RJ, and see what the free agency brings.

Definately no to trade for an overpaid center

[024]

don't the hornets still have their amnesty option? why would they trade okafor for jefferson when they can just amnesty okafor?

[Hooks]

Stop posting in this thread!!!!!!!!

[Ocotillo]

But unfortunately that amnesty clause will cause Holt and co. to balk at such a deal. It'd be impossible to sell the idea of absorbing that salary when the FO doesn't know how much it will cost to re-sign Duncan.

Off topic but the above is something everyone should pause and think about.

Those of you who were around when David Robinson was coming up for his last contract will recall a lot of fans (posters) thought big Dave would take a minimal contract to give us more cap room to chase other opportunities. Dave had other ideas.

Why wouldn't Tim be the same way? Both guys took less than market deals during their prime to help the team get other pieces. When they get to the end of their career like Tim is approaching, their mindset might well be, "Don't insult me with some shitty contract, I gave up money when it counted, don't try and nickel and dime me now, I want to be paid what I am worth."

I don't think Tim is going to take too small of a deal, not saying he is going for max money but he ain't playing for chump change either.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

We aren't getting Emeka Okafor. This thread is a fuckin joke. We have nothing to offer for the guy, and a team with pieces to trade will get him. We are stuck with what we have.

[Indazone]

and maybe you'll pick up Dwight Howard too.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

The problem with Okafor is that while he has some attributes we need, as a 10/8 player and a career 12/10 player, he's as overpaid as Dick Jefferson. I think the Spurs aren't interested, and I think N.O. isn't interested. He'd be a good "get" at $8-9M, but not at $12-14M.

[Russ]

The problem with Okafor is that while he has some attributes we need, as a 10/8 player and a career 12/10 player, he's as overpaid as Dick Jefferson. I think the Spurs aren't interested, and I think N.O. isn't interested. He'd be a good "get" at $8-9M, but not at $12-14M.

So he's not perfect (other than as a player). Not ideal (due to, you know, salary stuff).

That's why there's . . . a chance. . .

yCFB2akLh4s

[Sean Cagney]

Not gonna happen, wasting your time even entertaining it. Trade deadline will come and go.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

So he's not perfect (other than as a player). Not ideal (due to, you know, salary stuff).

That's why there's . . . a chance. . .



In your mind, maybe. I doubt the Spurs are even sniffing that shit. I can guarantee you that N.O. wants no part of Dick Jefferson, the key contract to making the trade work.

He's not perfect as a player, either. This is a second team that is peddling his overpaid middling talent on the market. If he were perfect, he'd probably still be in Charlotte. If you're playing Moneyball, and the Spurs always do, you don't touch Okafor with a ten foot pole. He's a bad value for the buck.

[SpurNation]

meh.

This instead.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=77xbteu

[biziofromdowntown]

LOL http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26nmnj8

[JP le Requin]

http://www.insidebasket.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1330713908&archive&start_from&ucat=7&1330713938119

it says that trevor is free to be trade...
okafor + ariza for bonner, jefferson, anderson, DP 2013 and blair...it could be great!!


but only on NBA 2K12

[Russ]

http://www.insidebasket.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1330713908&archive&start_from&ucat=7&1330713938119

it says that trevor is free to be trade...
okafor + ariza for bonner, jefferson, anderson, DP 2013 and blair...it could be great!!

I think the Spurs would need to sweeten the deal with Jackie Butler.

[armynick23]

Finally a Smart Spurs fan and business savy. Thanks





As unlikely as this rumor may seem, this trade, including the principals involved, make the most sense - by far for both teams.

Okafor's salary is for the next 3 seasons:
2011 - $12,541,812
2012 - $13,543,250
2013 - $14,544,687
Total: $40,629749

RJ's salary is also for the next 3 seasons:
2011 - $9,282,000
2012 - $10,164,000
2013 - $11,046,000
Total: $30,492,000

How this trade benefits the Spurs:
This trade benefits the Spurs because it will unload a young SG (Anderson), who desparately wants more playing time. With both Danny Green and Gary Neal continuing to flourish in their roles, the Spurs will not miss Anderson at all. The fact of the matter is it's very fair to say that THEY are the reason Anderson has become expendable. The trade also benefits the Spurs in that they would no longer be forced to continue relying the play of an undersized center (Blair), who is out of position. Of course getting rid of Jefferson, would allow to Spurs to get rid of his bad contract and prevent them from having to utilize the amnesty provision in order to do so. Furthermore, getting rid of RJ immediately opens the door for Leonard to assume a permanent starting role. And the most important benefit of all, the acquisition of Okafor gives the team the much-needed shotblocking, scoring and rebounding presence to pair along with Duncan. Okafor's presence will instantly improve the Spurs post defense and FG% defense. The Spurs will then have the necessary muscle needed to match up with the likes of Perkins and Ibaka (OKC); Gasol and Bynum (Fakers) and Nowitzki and Haywood (Mavs). Since, the Spurs are currently the #2 seed, this move could propel them over the top.

How this trade benefits the Hornets:
The trade benefits NO in that by exchanging RJ's contract for Okafor's, they will be saving probably roughly over $10 million over the next 3 years. RJ will give them an instant starter at the 3 spot, with Ariza backing him up off the bench. In Anderson, the Hornets get a young, developing and hungry SG, who has shooting ability and upside. In Blair, they get a young, undersized PF, who will improve their frontline depth, so long as there are no Whataburgers in the Crescent City. Also for Blair, he will no longer have to play the 5 spot and go up against bigger centers. He can then pair with Chris Kaman to solidify their frontline. Another benefit for the Hornets is, by trading Okakor, they are free to resign Kaman this offseason, if they so choose to do so. I doubt it, but the option for them is there. And with two first round picks, one perhaps even in the top 5, they will be able to literally rebuild their frontline, on the cheap.

The way I see it, is since the Hornets are currently owned by the league and are woefully cash-poor, they will be looking to build almost exclusively via the draft. Therefore, they almost have to unload Okafor on some team - especially since they have been unable to find any takers for Kaman, and his expiring contract.

With the relationship and mutual respect between the two front offices, I see a favorable deal here for both teams, that will hopefully get done.

[Duncan2177]

Finally a Smart Spurs fan and business savy. Thanks

:tu

[Hoops Czar]

:tu

I know you think RJ is tradeable, but I'm telling you he's NOT!!! RJ may be cheaper, but talent and skill wise, he sucks. Now do you really think a team owned by the NBA, who recently nullified a Chris Paul trade that would have netted far better pickings than a scrub wing player, a power forward with no ACL's and an overpaid 31 year old small forward, who plays like he's 41, is really going to accept that trade proposal? The other 29 teams in the league aren't here for the sole purpose of making the Spurs look good.


What you need to do now is pretend your posting for Hornetstalk and someone offered you up that deal, as a beloved Hornets fan, would you friggin make that trade? If you say yes, your a lyin sack of shit.

[TJastal]

The problem with Okafor is that while he has some attributes we need, as a 10/8 player and a career 12/10 player, he's as overpaid as Dick Jefferson. I think the Spurs aren't interested, and I think N.O. isn't interested. He'd be a good "get" at $8-9M, but not at $12-14M.

He's not even worth half that tbh.

[100%duncan]

I doubt the Spurs will do anything this year before the trade deadline.

Next year's Spurs team has the potential to be A LOT better than this years.

-Amnesty RJ, sign Batum or let Kawhi start, re-sign Neal/Green, sign Kaman or any other solid big (there are quite a bit in FA), sign TD at a low price, draft a PF, resign Ford.

Getting rid of RJ alone will help the Spurs TREMENDOUSLY, his terrible play has cost the Spurs, offensively he's a black hole, defensively he's shit, even his passing is garbage.

Kawhi is already better than RJ, so is Green.


IMO, Kaman and Batum are two guys the Spurs could definitely get next year. Kaman seems like he wouldn't mind signing in a small market like the Spurs, and Batum has wanted to play for the Spurs, the Spurs even promised they would draft him, a defensive SF that has a lot of potential, he's also got some good offensive game.


Hopefully TD doesn't demand too much money leaving the Spurs a lot of flexibility.
why didnt they draft him?