Worst Starter in the NBA? [Archive]

Ryan Fitzpatrick

02-28-2012, 09:12 PM

The Lakers not only have 2 of the worst starters in the game in MWP and Fisher, they also have the worst bench. Kind of miraculous how 3 players are keeping this team competitive.

JoeTait75

02-28-2012, 09:35 PM

Omri Casspi. Worst thing to come out of Israel since the Deir Yassin Massacre.

elemento

02-28-2012, 09:49 PM

Artest is better than Dick easily

Leetonidas

02-28-2012, 10:19 PM

Artest is better than Dick easily

Dick is terrible but no he isn't. At least RJ can hit the three, Artest can do much of anything but sink his team by missing shot after shot and play defense which doesn't make up for his lack of any offensive ability this season

baseline bum

02-28-2012, 10:50 PM

Odom if Stern would have let that deal go through.

rayjayjohnson

02-29-2012, 01:26 AM

Not the worst starter, obviously, but Amare is the worst max player in the league right now

tlongII

02-29-2012, 01:39 AM

You guys should look at Felton's stats. He's bringing an entirely new definition to the word FAIL.

jimo2305

02-29-2012, 02:13 AM

i would still take metta world peace over RJ

noob cake

02-29-2012, 03:06 AM

Metta tries to play defense. Fish brings leadership. RJ can shoot the occasional jumper.

Felton, I'm not familiar with his body of work this season. But Omri Casspi should be the winner. I watch a lot of Irving/Cavs as a Dukie and I can tell you that Omri Casspi is the worst starter in the league.

wanggi

02-29-2012, 03:34 AM

Not the worst starter, obviously, but Amare is the worst max player in the league right now

Fortunately we traded him to NY.:toast

NewcastleKEG

02-29-2012, 04:20 AM

''Old shitbag''

- Guiseppe

stretch

02-29-2012, 11:14 AM

Raymond Felton.

Nope. Wesley Matthews.

HarlemHeat37

02-29-2012, 11:16 AM

Jefferson isn't even close, tbh..he shoots over 40% from 3s, which is an accomplishment in itself..that's a lot more than a lot of current starters can show..

Leetonidas

02-29-2012, 11:17 AM

Casspi looked so promising as a rookie, what happened to that jew

Ryan Fitzpatrick

02-29-2012, 11:22 AM

Jefferson isn't even close, tbh..he shoots over 40% from 3s, which is an accomplishment in itself..that's a lot more than a lot of current starters can show..

This is true, but I think people are already looking towards his imminent playoff no-show again, where that % will drop to 29 and he'll become a complete liability on the defensive end.

jimo2305

03-01-2012, 01:18 PM

i don't have to wait till the playoffs.. i've already seen jefferson butcher plays and lay inconsistent on the offensive end..

he has no business being a starter.. we will use your high %s when you come off the bench.. the sad thing is it's a hit or miss with RJ..

i mean.. even the spurs tried to amnesty this guy.. that's how bad he is..

Giuseppe

03-01-2012, 01:25 PM

Casspi looked so promising as a rookie, what happened to that jew

Lee, with the goods/absolute style.

hater

03-01-2012, 01:39 PM

Dick jefferson by a few hundred dicklengths

Leetonidas

03-01-2012, 02:31 PM

After last night's awful performance it's easily R-Gay

Leetonidas

03-01-2012, 02:31 PM

and I don't mean Rudy

DJ Mbenga

03-01-2012, 02:42 PM

the lakers have 2 candidates. no team can match that

Spur_Fanatic

03-01-2012, 02:58 PM

The Lakers not only have 2 of the worst starters in the game in MWP and Fisher, they also have the worst bench. Kind of miraculous how 3 players are keeping this team competitive.

3 players that get payed as a full team (and more).

z0sa

03-01-2012, 03:08 PM

Easily RJ. Dude's a huge scrub who doesn't even try anymore.

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 03:12 PM

3 players that get payed as a full team (and more).

and?

No player is robbing his team in 2011-12 quite like Tim Duncan. 21.3 million for Roy Hibbert #'s:rollin

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 03:12 PM

and Manu's making 12 mil to nurse his vag

Spur_Fanatic

03-01-2012, 03:30 PM

TD is off the books this season.

But let's wait 2 years, and test that theory of yours in Kobe's 31m salary.

Spur_Fanatic

03-01-2012, 03:31 PM

Plus, notice how you jumped on Laker's boat, even though what I said is completely true:

Lakers cap is killing the possibility of getting decent starters, aside of a possible trade.

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 03:33 PM

TD is off the books this season.

But let's wait 2 years, and test that theory of yours in Kobe's 31m salary.

Lakers have a never-ending war chest in their TV deal. They'll have been fully reloaded by that time.

I'm sorry HEB can't do the same for the Spurs

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 03:36 PM

Plus, notice how you jumped on Laker's boat, even though what I said is completely true:

Lakers cap is killing the possibility of getting decent starters, aside of a possible trade.

Being in San Antonio is killing the possibility of getting any worthwhile FA's. Just hope there's another HOF big man the Spurs can tank for again (a la 1997).

Spur_Fanatic

03-01-2012, 03:39 PM

Lakers have a never-ending war chest in their TV deal. They'll have been fully reloaded by that time.

I'm sorry HEB can't do the same for the Spurs

They could get paid 5b every year, and it would still not change how the cap works. Shows how uch you know, right?

Spur_Fanatic

03-01-2012, 03:40 PM

Being in San Antonio is killing the possibility of getting any worthwhile FA's. Just hope there's another HOF big man the Spurs can tank for again (a la 1997).

LOL, getting cornered? :king

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 03:43 PM

They could get paid 5b every year, and it would still not change how the cap works. Shows how uch you know, right?

There's no hardcap, and the NBA needs the Lakers to stay competitive. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news for you. We will have D12 soon enough, and the FA's will flock afterwards.

Your small-town inferiority complex is showing though...don't be scared of daddeh

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 03:44 PM

LOL, getting cornered? :king

lol no rebuttal for that. You know it to be true. No self-respecting FA wants to go to an open sewer surrounded by some steakhouses.:lol

Spur_Fanatic

03-01-2012, 03:46 PM

There's no hardcap, and the NBA needs the Lakers to stay competitive. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news for you. We will have D12 soon enough, and the FA's will flock afterwards.

Your small-town inferiority complex is showing though...don't be scared of daddeh

Shows how much you know. Welcome to 2012.

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 03:49 PM

Shows how much you know. Welcome to 2012.

Nice backpedaling.

Is there a hardcap...Yes or No?

:lolnow let's see you act like that's unimportant and the owners didn't fight for it.

I'm sorry you can't accept reality, and I'm sorry your city has nothing to offer.:lol

Spur_Fanatic

03-01-2012, 04:10 PM

I never mentioned San Antonio (btw, I don't live there). You did, once your idiocy was exposed. I merely stated the truth: The Lakers problems start with the cap. There is no need of a hard cap to screwup, when you pay 31M to a player (maybe not now, but when they make more signs, they have to consider a few years ahead as well).

But don't worry! The TV deal will totally expand the salary cap! It's in the CBA! It's the Lakers, of course it will happen! I mean, look, luxury means nothing to Lakers, they have fucking Michael Beasley! They will sign Dwight and Paul too!

z0sa

03-01-2012, 04:14 PM

I'm sorry you can't accept reality, and I'm sorry your city has nothing to offer.:lol

lol apologizing

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 04:16 PM

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 04:17 PM

lol apologizing

That's you and mono's schtick:lol

Spur_Fanatic

03-01-2012, 04:17 PM

:rollin, that's why the owners were fighting so hard for it

This made sense, and won thread. Just for the smily. :rolleyes

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 04:19 PM

This made sense, and won thread. Just for the smily. :rolleyes

Can't dispute it:lol

Did the owners not make a hardcap one of their big points, and was it not a partial reason for an extended lockout?

:lol"but it's not important."

z0sa

03-01-2012, 04:20 PM

That's you and mono's schtick:lol

you've already done it more than I have just in this thread :lol

about mono you're correct though tbqh

SA does have cheap real estate and low taxes and decent schools. that's worth something to some players. hence why the FO and Pop act the way they do (classy) and don't tolerate shit.

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 04:25 PM

you've already done it more than I have just in this thread :lol

:lolPlease tell me the sarcasm wasn't lost on you, tbh...

about mono you're correct though tbqh

SA does have cheap real estate and low taxes and decent schools. that's worth something to some players. hence why the FO and Pop act the way they do (classy) and don't tolerate shit.

That doesn't compete with desired locations such as Miami, LA, CHI, and NY tho, hence why no big FA's have ever signed there (other than re-signing Duncan in 2000). Duncan is a recluse though and needed a place where he wouldn't be judged for trampstamps and his LARPing fetish

Spur_Fanatic

03-01-2012, 04:30 PM

Can't dispute it:lol

Did the owners not make a hardcap one of their big points, and was it not a partial reason for an extended lockout?

:lol"but it's not important."

Who cares? Did I mentioned a hard cap? Hell, I can invent stuff too, let me see...
Ah! "Ryan, you are an idiot. How can you say Kobe works as a call girl on LA friday night?!? Dude, show some respect!"

Oh, wait, forgot the smilie... ":lol"

Besides: Lakers need no hard cap to explain Kobe's 31m salary.

z0sa

03-01-2012, 04:32 PM

:lolPlease tell me the sarcasm wasn't lost on you, tbh...

lol no but it was still humorously ironic all things considered

That doesn't compete with desired locations such as Miami, LA, CHI, and NY tho, hence why no big FA's have ever signed there (other than re-signing Duncan in 2000).

don't forget michael finley and nick van exel bro!

Duncan is a recluse though and needed a place where he wouldn't be judged for trampstamps and his LARPing fetish

tim probably knocks the shit out of people with his foam noodle-covered golfclubs, tbh

Ryan Fitzpatrick

03-01-2012, 04:35 PM

Who cares? Did I mentioned a hard cap? Hell, I can invent stuff too, let me see...
Ah! "Ryan, you are an idiot. How can you say Kobe works as a call girl on LA friday night?!? Dude, show some respect!"

Oh, wait, forgot the smilie... ":lol"

Besides: Lakers need no hard cap to explain Kobe's 31m salary.

Now I've got you running in circles back to your favorite topic in the world: Kobe:lol

As long as there's no hardcap, the teams with money will spend money. It's common fucking sense. If you can land a marquee FA or 2, you take the hit.

Spur_Fanatic

03-01-2012, 04:42 PM

Lakers can't afford it. They have the money, I agree. And the owner is clearly a fan, so he will use it for luxury shit. But they first have to fix their cap management. Doesn't matter if they have money, if there's a cap they have to follow. Of course they can land great FA's. And yes, LA is a desirable free agent destination. But at the end of the day, they have to cut the pie for 15 players, not 4. If you know a way they can sign Howard, sign a decent PG, and still keep a decent roster, pls say so.

Mind you, Lakers seem to be in middle of a family takeover by the Buss family, so I think we giving them too much credit.

Leetonidas

03-01-2012, 07:46 PM

sup hh

dbestpro

03-01-2012, 07:58 PM

How this thread ever got this far without mentioning Blair I will never know.

Leetonidas

03-01-2012, 10:04 PM

How this thread ever got this far without mentioning Blair I will never know.

Blair sucks bawls but he definitely ain't worst starter material. I mean he's easily bottom half but he's no RJ/Fisher