Tony Parker, Manu's shadow

[Reck]

In keeping with "Is Tony Parker too CoM" discussion;

This team runs much better with Parker running it. Parker has some sort of mental block where he cant play or feels as comfortable when Manu is out there.

He needs to really take charge already and stop it with the Manu is this and Manu is that.

Too much stock have been put on Manu. Lets all gathered here and face it. Manu is done.

The whole team has this mentality where they think they cant go anywhere without Manu which isn't entirely false but you have to make your guys think you can make things happen.

Tonight's game was pretty bad for moral..

[Magua]

Yeah, we've seen this post before. Timvp's was more articulate and grammatically correct though.

[ElNono]

Where was this post the previous game?

[TMTTRIO]

so what do you want to do? Trade him even though you're not going to get anything back in return?

[Reck]

Where was this post the previous game?

Where was Manu?

[Reck]

so what do you want to do? Trade him even though you're not going to get anything back in return?

I wouldn't trade him. I would however play him less and less and let Tony become what he can become without thinking he needs Manu or they die mentality.

[shorttotry]

Manu will retire as a Spur. End of story.

[ElNono]

Where was Manu?

So Manu didn't bother Tony at all then? :lol

You're making this too easy.

[Reck]

So Manu didn't bother Tony at all then? :lol

You're making this too easy.

Yeah..I dont know what you're talking about.

I was alluding to the fact that Manu did not play in the previous game.

[DAF86]

lol knee-jerk reaction

Tony did look a bit passive with Manu's presence tonight but that should change with time and everybody settling into their roles.

This team is clearly at its best when both guys run the show toghether.

[ElNono]

Yeah..I dont know what you're talking about.

I was alluding to the fact that Manu did not play in the previous game.

I was alluding to that fact too, which shits in the face of your argument that "Parker has some sort of mental block where he cant play or feels as comfortable when Manu is out there"...

Manu wasn't out there against Chicago and Tony was pretty bad too. Frankly, I think Tony is fatigued, which is a completely different topic.

[Reck]

I was alluding to that fact too, which shits in the face of your argument that "Parker has some sort of mental block where he cant play or feels as comfortable when Manu is out there"...

Manu wasn't out there against Chicago and Tony was pretty bad too. Frankly, I think Tony is fatigued, which is a completely different topic.

Yeah because you can judge having a bad game from Parker when Manu is out comparable to how Parker runs the team with Manu in permantly. :rolleyes

My point was that he sees more in charge without Manu despite his glorifying of one said Manu.

Yeah you shit in the face of my arguement. :lol

[SpurPadre]

I was alluding to that fact too, which shits in the face of your argument that "Parker has some sort of mental block where he cant play or feels as comfortable when Manu is out there"...

Manu wasn't out there against Chicago and Tony was pretty bad too. Frankly, I think Tony is fatigued, which is a completely different topic.

No, his ass just still hurts after getting fucked by Derrick Rose.

[ElNono]

Yeah because you can judge having a bad game from Parker when Manu is out comparable to how Parker runs the team with Manu in permantly. :rolleyes

My point was that he sees more in charge without Manu despite his glorifying of one said Manu.

Yeah you shit in the face of my arguement. :lol

It takes you one game where Manu plays for you to draw that conclusion and start this thread, but then one game sample is not good enough? :lol

:lol you keep on shitting on your own argument, I'm just pointing it out

[Magua]

It takes you one game where Manu plays for you to draw that conclusion and start this thread, but then one game sample is not good enough? :lol

:lmao

[Arc]

nah. tony and manu playing together isn't the problem. what fucked us tonight was the small ball. pop continues to go small ball even though we're probably one of the worst small ball teams in the league. someone needs to look at the stats. i bet our defense is one of the worst in the league when we go small ball.

we're probably not going to win another championship because pop has a major boner for small ball.

small ball.

[Reck]

It takes you one game where Manu plays for you to draw that conclusion and start this thread, but then one game sample is not good enough? :lol

:lol you keep on shitting on your own argument, I'm just pointing it out

Dude are you seriously this dumb?

Manu has been back-in-back-out twice. I have enough to go on to base my opinion on.

You keep trying being funny but you keep falling short of ridicule.

[NewcastleKEG]

Didn't Manu just return? This will take time & Spurs need to decide whether priority #1 is playoff position or getting the team in sync. Knowing Pop, he will go for the #2 seed and figure the team jells on the run

Parker vs Manu. Tony is what keeps the Spurs competitive but Manu is what makes the Spurs capable of defeating Grizz, Clippers, and Lakers. Hell Nuggets, Mavs, & Blazers

With Manu in the game, you can sit Bonner & play a Neal. Without Manu you need Jefferson/Green/Leonard size & Bonner's shot

[SpurPadre]

nah. tony and manu playing together isn't the problem. what fucked us tonight was the small ball. pop continues to go small ball even though we're probably one of the worst small ball teams in the league. someone needs to look at the stats. i bet our defense is one of the worst in the league when we go small ball.

we're probably not going to win another championship because pop has a major boner for small ball.

small ball.

Well, considering we only really have 2 bigs (TD and Split), it's tough to play anything but small ball.

[ElNono]

Dude are you seriously this dumb?

Manu has been back-in-back-out twice. I have enough to go on to base my opinion on.

You keep trying being funny but you keep falling short of ridicule.

Manu was balling before his hand injury. He was by far the best Spurs player.
Spurs also won all their games with Manu up until the oblique injury too IIRC and Tony was still balling and the team playing well.

Not sure what you're basing your stuff on other than this loss, tbh

[Magua]

Dude are you seriously this dumb?

You need to ask yourself that question. Btw, lots of positive feedback so far:lol


so what do you want to do? Trade him even though you're not going to get anything back in return?


Manu will retire as a Spur. End of story.


So Manu didn't bother Tony at all then? :lol

You're making this too easy.


lol knee-jerk reaction

This team is clearly at its best when both guys run the show toghether.


It takes you one game where Manu plays for you to draw that conclusion and start this thread, but then one game sample is not good enough? :lol

:lol you keep on shitting on your own argument, I'm just pointing it out


nah. tony and manu playing together isn't the problem.

:lol

[Arc]

Well, considering we only really have 2 bigs (TD and Split), it's tough to play anything but small ball.

people keep shitting on bonner, but he's been playing very good all season when paired with a good big like splitter or duncan. tonight our best line up that did the most damage to denver was splitter, bonner, ginobili, parker, and leonard. that's the line up that brought us back into the game in the first half. we saw it for like 1-2 mins in the second half, and that's probably the reason why we lost.

[Reck]

Manu was balling before his hand injury. He was by far the best Spurs player.
Spurs also won all their games with Manu up until the oblique injury too IIRC and Tony was still balling and the team playing well.

Not sure what you're basing your stuff on other than this loss, tbh

The four games Manu played before being re-injured my friend.

I wont argue with you that Manu was doing his thing before the hand injury because he was but post injuries...eh

[Reck]

You need to ask yourself that question. Btw, lots of positive feedback so far:lol













:lol

Positive or negative, who cares. I'm still getting my point across and you're still posting here so who's the douchebag?

And at least my threads consist of legitimate discussions unlike your pointless and meaningless threads.

Now go make me some pancakes, you fruit cake.

[ElNono]

The four games Manu played before being re-injured my friend.

I wont argue with you that Manu was doing his thing before the hand injury because he was but post injuries...eh

He missed what? 7 weeks? Do you expect him to just walk out there and play? :lol

Plus it's not like Tony has been deferential. I don't even think they shared the court that much since Manu came back from the hand injury.

[Reck]

He missed what? 7 weeks? Do you expect him to just walk out there and play? :lol

Plus it's not like Tony has been deferential. I don't even think they shared the court that much since Manu came back from the hand injury.

No I dont. but that's not my point.

[TJastal]

I wouldn't trade him. I would however play him less and less and let Tony become what he can become without thinking he needs Manu or they die mentality.

If TP can't get over his "mental block" just because Manu is back in uniform the guy is a mental midget and isn't going to lead the spurs anywhere. Let's hope that's not the case.

Probably could have traded TP for Rondo last week. Just sayin'.

[therealtruth]

Well, considering we only really have 2 bigs (TD and Split), it's tough to play anything but small ball.

It's not like it's a new problem. I almost feel Pop doesn't want to get any decent bigs so he can continue to play small ball.

[therealtruth]

If TP can't get over his "mental block" just because Manu is back in uniform the guy is a mental midget and isn't going to lead the spurs anywhere. Let's hope that's not the case.

Probably could have traded TP for Rondo last week. Just sayin'.

Might have been a good idea before Rondo reminded the Celtics what he could do with his ridiculous triple double. It's doubtful Parker ever gets a triple double in his career. Rondo had one with 17+ points, assists, and rebounds.

[therealtruth]

nah. tony and manu playing together isn't the problem. what fucked us tonight was the small ball. pop continues to go small ball even though we're probably one of the worst small ball teams in the league. someone needs to look at the stats. i bet our defense is one of the worst in the league when we go small ball.

we're probably not going to win another championship because pop has a major boner for small ball.

small ball.

I can't understand the small ball love. We destroyed the Knicks small ball in '99. We used to dominate the Suns' small ball. Now the Spurs have become what they used to destroy.

[TJastal]

Might have been a good idea before Rondo reminded the Celtics what he could do with his ridiculous triple double. It's doubtful Parker ever gets a triple double in his career. Rondo had one with 17+ points, assists, and rebounds.

Yep, that's what I meant. They were defenitely listening to offers then, probably still are but he could have been snagged for pennies on the dollar then. Probably could have snagged him and one of their extra bigs for TP. Oh well.

[roycrikside]

In keeping with "Is Tony Parker too CoM" discussion;

This team runs much better with Parker running it. Parker has some sort of mental block where he cant play or feels as comfortable when Manu is out there.

He needs to really take charge already and stop it with the Manu is this and Manu is that.

Too much stock have been put on Manu. Lets all gathered here and face it. Manu is done.

The whole team has this mentality where they think they cant go anywhere without Manu which isn't entirely false but you have to make your guys think you can make things happen.

Tonight's game was pretty bad for moral..


Such a stupid post.

Tony was his most passive in the first six minutes of the game, when Manu was on the bench. Once Manu checked in Tony actually got a lot more aggressive (probably after Pop told him about it on the bench) and he looked a lot more for his offense the final three quarters, regardless of whether Manu was on the floor with him or not.

You act like the second Manu checked in Tony just handed him the ball and slide over to the corner, content to be a bail-out three point shooter at the end of the shot clock and the offense went to shit. Parker took 16 shots in the game and Manu took 5. I don't want to hear it.

The Spurs lost because like the other poster said, Pop used too much small ball and couldn't guard anybody for shit when they were in that alignment. Also, they got outworked on the boards and guys like Jefferson, Green and Neal couldn't hit enough open threes.

[TMTTRIO]

Let me ask this. Since Tony and the rest of the team is struggling with Manu coming back, would you start just saving Manu for times that we really need some kind of spark and the rest of the team isn't bringing it? It might be only for a few minutes one night and more on another night depending on how the team is doing. Also it might keep Manu refreshed for the playoffs. The only concern is Manu's a rhythm player and if he doesn't get much time out there he can't come in right away and make things happen.

[Paranoid Pop]

If TP can't get over his "mental block" just because Manu is back in uniform the guy is a mental midget and isn't going to lead the spurs anywhere. Let's hope that's not the case.

Probably could have traded TP for Rondo last week. Just sayin'.

:lol That's one of the dumbest trade idea you could come up with at this point.

[ginobilized]

The Spurs need them both. They are a handful to contend with when healthy, esp. in a 7 gm series. It's of great benefit to have each of them able to run the team in different ways. Puts a lot of pressure on opposing defenses to adjust and react in trying to contain them both. Each of them needs to dominate at different times during games. As Manu gets reacclimated I think the Spurs can reach a higher level of play than we've seen yet this year.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

Yeah, we've seen this post before. Timvp's was more articulate and grammatically correct though.

:rollin

[manu the best]

Your basing your conclusion on what 4, 5 games. Tony and MANU have been playing together for 9 years and have won 3 championships for us and your still saying they don't complement each other. I agree tony did an excellent job this season without MANU but you know it to that this team is going nowhere without MANU. Just look at the past playoff series. Obviously MANU and tony are still trying to get rhythm back and plus MANU is still trying to get back to game shape

[TJastal]

:lol That's one of the dumbest trade idea you could come up with at this point.

I agree it sucks that I bring up yet another "trade Tony" idea (especially after I was propping his recent play) but the idea itself is not dumb. Rondo is just 26 with a lot of miles left on the odometer who can put up triple doubles in his sleep. He just put up a 18/17/20 game and amazingly still has room to improve IMO.

Just sayin'.

[acoelho1]

The one thing that is clear is when Parker is aggressive and plays with passion, we are tough to beat. Prime example was the recent OKC game where he took it to Westbrook. I've never challanged Parker's talent but he is aloof at times where as Ginobili plays aggressively all the time. Although, not always with good results.

I feel really good about this team if we are 100% healthy and I wish we would add another defensive big in to the fold, which is still a possibility. Those 3's won't be as open in the playoffs and we will need to grind out victories. That's where guys like Leonard, Green and Splitter will become even more critical as we go through the playoffs.

[urunobili]

I think TP wanted Manu to start getting more steam TBH. A true team player. Non issue