Stat of the Day -- Vol. 3

[timvp]

Following tonight's game, Kawhi Leonard has 50 steals, 24 turnovers and 46 personal fouls. I figured that was a unique stat line ... and it is. No player in NBA history has ever finished a season with twice as many steals as turnovers and more steals than fouls.

Not bad, youngin. :toast

[SpursRock20]

Flip flop turnovers with steals and you have a cool stat line :)

[FkLA]

Tony Parker has finished with twice as many turnovers as steals every season of his career.

[DPG21920]

Why doesn't this translate on advanced metrics?

[timvp]

Flip flop turnovers with steals and you have a cool stat line :)

:shootme Thanks.

[Spursfanfromafar]

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/steals/sort/stealTurnoverRatio

Kawhi second in the steal-turnover ratio and seventh in the steal-PF ratio.

[Libri]

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2011/03/ipt/1300505616.jpg

[timvp]

Tony Parker has finished with twice as many turnovers as steals every season of his career.Sounds like it's time to trade Tony Parker.


Why doesn't this translate on advanced metrics?Young rookies very rarely post good plus/minus stats. Kevin Durant, for example, had horrible numbers until his third season.

[celldweller]

:pop: But of course Richard Jefferson will get the majority of the minutes, while Kawhi watches Dick's greatness from the bench!!!

[SpursRock20]

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2011/03/ipt/1300505616.jpg

The look of a champion. :ihit

[GSH]

Following tonight's game, Kawhi Leonard has 50 steals, 24 turnovers and 46 personal fouls. I figured that was a unique stat line ... and it is. No player in NBA history has ever finished a season with twice as many steals as turnovers and more steals than fouls.

Not bad, youngin. :toast


I know someone who came close. I remember Nate McMillan had an incredible season where his AST/TO was over 3/1 and his STL/TO was around 2/1. (I would have said it was more than 2/1 if you hadn't already said that no one ever did it.) He averaged something like 3 STL's per game that year.

[Borosai]

Those fingers are going to look good wrapped around the Larry O'.

[jesterbobman]

It does translate on advanced metrics, look at WP48: Kawhi is a beast.

It misses on things like PER, NBA efficiency that reward high volume shooting with accuracy above a low threshold(as Kawhi doesn't shoot a lot).

[lurker23]

I know someone who came close. I remember Nate McMillan had an incredible season where his AST/TO was over 3/1 and his STL/TO was around 2/1. (I would have said it was more than 2/1 if you hadn't already said that no one ever did it.) He averaged something like 3 STL's per game that year.

Indeed you're right, 1993-94.

Nate McMillan: 387 assists, 216 steals, 126 turnovers, 201 personal fouls.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcmilna01.html

[TDMVPDPOY]

im just pissed he doesnt get starters minutes to put him into contention for ROY...but i think he has the all rookie 1st team locked up?

[pgardn]

Flip flop turnovers with steals and you have a cool stat line :)

Metta World Sleaze.

[TJastal]

The look of a champion. :ihit

:lmao

[GSH]

Heh... Don Buse probably did it in the 76-77 season, but the NBA didn't track turnovers that year. The year before, in the last season of the ABA, he turned in this impressive season stat line:

AST - 689
STL - 346
TOV - 159
PF - 194


But, yeah, it's pretty impressive what Kawhi has done as a rookie. Unfortunately, most people look at PPG and not much else.

[timvp]

^ Good find. Buse might have done it though in his first NBA season.

His stats for that year:

AST - 685
STL - 281
TOV - ?
PF - 129

If he had the same turnover rate from '77-78 season, he would have had 144 turnovers ... just narrowly missing out. But yeah it's possible he pulled a Kawhi that year.


Unfortunately, most people look at PPG and not much else.

Speaking of which, Kawhi Leonard's WP48 is off the charts high right now. WP48 is basically a stat created by a group of economists whose mission was to figure out a stat that most closely correlates with winning basketball games. FWIW, their findings are pretty interesting.

Anyways, here are the current leaders* in WP48:
1. LeBron James: .408
2. Tyson Chandler: .333
3. Chris Paul: .288
4. Joakim Noah: .285
5. Kawhi Leonard: .273
6. Steve Nash: .272

:hat



*at least 500 minutes played

[The ADMIRAL 50]

WOW.

Great catch TIMVP.

Those types of numbers would give most coaches a raging boner. I hope Pop increases his minutes come playoff time, as I expect (really, really hope) he will. With stats like that Kawhi Leonard already looks like one of the best role players in the NBA; doesn't hurt the team one bit (TOs/fouls) while generating extra possessions (steals/offensive boards). Really exciting stuff, thanks for sharing those particular numbers.

[FlAVaK]

44 of 66 games played,
he is still on pace:

60 STL
29 TO
57 PF

[Danny.Zhu]

(STL+BLK)/PF makes more sense imho.

[100%duncan]

What did you expect? He's Kawhi Leonard. :toast

[timvp]

Bump.



85 ST
44 TO
88 PF


So Leonard needs three steals without turning it over or committing a foul tonight.

[jesterbobman]

The fact that he's close is really good, it doesn't really matter if he officially meets it. Leonard is an elite possession creator though, Net Reb + Steals - TO's per 36/48 is huge relative to average SF. Part of that is role(He'll always be ahead of LeBron as LeBron has so much playmaking responsibility), but it's amazing nonetheless.