PDA

View Full Version : Grades: Spurs vs. Knicks - Mar. 7



timvp
03-08-2012, 02:54 AM
Bouncing back following a home loss against the Nuggets, the Spurs routed the Knicks by a final score of 118-105. After a run in the first half, New York never challenged again as San Antonio improved to 2-2 on their seven-game homestand.

The first half run started with a Tony Parker jumper with 6:22 remaining in the second quarter that put the Spurs up by three points. That shot ignited a 22-6 run in which Parker scored 13 of his 23 first half points.

The Knicks were without Tyson Chandler due to injury and it was obvious they were missing their man in the middle. Without him, they played some of the most pathetic defense I've witnessed this season.

That said, the Spurs really needed this win after the Denver letdown. Hopefully they have some momentum heading into the most difficult game of the homestand -- Friday against the Clippers.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/15gedzm.jpg

http://oi40.tinypic.com/1jp93m.jpg

Tim Duncan B+
Although he missed a few easy shots and struggled to hold onto the ball on both ends, Tim Duncan looked much better than at any point since the All-Star break. He was moving extremely well -- he was relatively fast up and down the court and his movements were quick and sharp. Offensively, he used his added mobility to author some of his better post moves of the season. On defense, he protected the rim well. Duncan did a poor job of going out on the perimeter on defense but the Knicks weren't making him pay for slacking. All in all, it was an encouraging game from the fundamentally sound Virgin Islander.

Manu Ginobili A-
In his second game back following the oblique injury, Manu Ginobili again looked very good. He appears to be in much better shape than at any point this season. On offense, he had everything working: his passing was fantastic, he was hitting his outside shots, he slashed to the basket and he easily shredded New York's feeble defense. His only bugaboo on the offensive end was turnovers, which should be expected due to his limited playing this season. Defensively, he wasn't nearly as good. While he didn't appear to have any trouble getting to his spots, he had a handful of miscues that led to open shots for the Knicks. Overall, though, Spurs fans should be very encouraged by Ginobili's play.

Tony Parker A
With as well as Tony Parker was converting and as bad as the Knicks were defending, he could have easily had 50 points tonight if he wanted it. He decided to take it easy by pouring in 32 points on 19 shots. In the last three games, Parker is sizzling from the field (29-for-46 for 63%). Against the Knicks, his passing was also good -- especially out of pick-and-roll sets. Defensively, it was obvious that Parker was motivated against Jeremy Lin and Baron Davis. When he was on the court, that duo made only 4-of-14 field goal attempts. On Wednesday night, there was no question who the best point guard on the court was.

Gary Neal D
Gary Neal got the start at shooting guard against the Knicks -- and he shot the ball a lot … with limited accuracy. If he's going to be a long-term starter, he's going to have to pick his spots more wisely. With the Spurs easily getting whatever they wanted against the Knicks, Neal lofted a number of iffy looks. Even when he tried to make plays, he had minimal success. Defensively, he had some really poor moments. When it comes to making quick, instinctive switches -- which were the hallmark of the great defensive Spurs teams of yesteryear -- Neal has major struggles. That was especially true against the Knicks tonight due to the number of screens Mike D'Antoni utilizes in his offensive gameplan.

Richard Jefferson C-
For the first time in a long while, Richard Jefferson began the game defending against a talented scorer. And since Carmelo Anthony didn't totally go buck wild, I'd say it was a success. I also liked how Jefferson was a bit more physical than usual. However, other those two items, he was invisible. He didn't do anything on the offensive end and wasn't offering any help rotations on the defensive end.

DeJuan Blair B
After banging his knee against the Nuggets, DeJuan Blair looked perfectly healthy against the Knicks. He was connecting on his shots around the rim, which included a few high-difficulty looks. He also helped out on that end by owning the offensive glass. On defense, Blair wasn't bad but he was oftentimes a step too slow, particularly when defending pick-and-rolls. Defensive rebounding was a weakness; a lot of times he didn't bother to box out or even jump for boards on that side of the court.

Kawhi Leonard C+
Offensively, Kawhi Leonard did a great job of playing to his strengths. Instead of camping out beyond the three-point line, he concentrated on running the court, cutting to the rim and crashing the offensive boards. When paired with Ginobili, the rookie's ability to run, catch and finish with virtually no wasted motion was on full display. Defensively, while he was rebounding well and also swiped a few steals, I thought his individual defense was extremely weak. Knicks players were scoring over him and around him all night long. Since the All-Star break, he's been especially poor at detouring opponents who are driving to the lane; he usually ends up moving to the side and escorting the player to the rim.

Tiago Splitter B-
Both teams had a problem holding onto the ball tonight and Tiago Splitter was one of the main culprits. Whenever the ball was in possession, it seemed like he was on the verge of turning it over. I also didn't like his effort on the defensive glass and I think he continues to look a lot slower than his pre-injury days. All that said, it's difficult to be too upset with his production. Splitter is still by far the best Spurs bigman in pick-and-rolls and his overall defensive presence was an asset. Let's hope he can eliminate the rough edges to his game we've seen lately so he can soon return to being the league's top backup center.

Danny Green B-
For the second straight game, Danny Green got benched for a defensive mistake. Against the Nuggets, Green lasted less than two minutes before getting yanked. Tonight, Green got yanked in less than five seconds. While Pop might not be as strict with his defensive demands as he was a decade ago, he's being extremely tough on Green. Pop isn't letting him make any mistakes -- and I love it. Green seems like the type of player who will respond to intense coaching. The Spurs desperately need a couple quality defenders and Green has the potential to be just that. In the second half against the Nuggets, Pop gave Green another chance and he responded. While I didn't like his shot selection, Green knocked them down. On defense, he was much more attentive following Pop's teaching moment.

Matt Bonner C-
The most entertaining game within the game was when Matt Bonner and Steve Novak matched up. It started off friendly but then eventually they both got chippy. At one point, the two marksmen traded forearm shivers and neither would give the other one anything resembling an open look. These might be the last two players you'd ever expect to start a mano-a-mano battle … but that's what happened. I guess they both take the title of the Best Three-Point Shooter in NBA History 6-foot-10-or-Taller seriously. (Currently, Novak is first at 42.9% and Bonner is second at 41.9% -- with Channing Frye a distant third at 39.4%.) Oh, and as for the game against the Knicks, Bonner didn't really do anything else of note other than tussle with Novak.

James Anderson Inc.
When Green got pulled, James Anderson was again the player who got the call. And like we've gotten used to, Anderson didn't really do much: he had an athletic finish at the basket and pulled down a pair of rebounds. Speaking of rebounding, Anderson has really turned it around in that area. In his first 316 minutes this season, he had only 35 rebounds. But in his last four games, he has ten rebounds in 45 minutes -- nearly doubling his previous rate.

TJ Ford Inc.
The worst part of the game was seeing TJ Ford writhing in pain on the court after Baron Davis rammed into his back. Ford, who has a history if neck and spine issues, was later diagnosed with a stinger. The good news is he passed all the neurological tests, however there's no guarantee he'll be cleared for basketball activities right away. For those who care, I thought Ford was playing poorly prior to getting hurt. He was dribbling too much and wasn't making any plays on either end.

Pop D
Pop got ejected after a pair of technical fouls near the end of the fourth quarter. Frankly, I thought it was stupid of Pop to get ejected at that point of the game. The Spurs were up by 22 points and were headed into a garbage-time filled final period. There was simply no reason to get ejected and leave the difficult job of nursing a large lead to his assistant coaches. Predictably, the assistants overreacted to halfhearted runs by the Knicks and played Duncan and Parker unnecessary minutes. And I can't really blame the assistants because if the Knicks would have come back to win, even though it was extremely unlikely, Pop would have never forgiven anyone involved. As for Pop's actual coaching, I don't like a starting lineup that features both Jefferson and Neal; there's simply not enough defense with those two players on the wing. Otherwise, Pop was doing an adequate job before his pointless ejection.

Paranoid Pop
03-08-2012, 03:20 AM
I mostly agree even tho I felt Kahwi played better than his grade, that said the criticism is justified, he has to move his feet better on D. Thanks, good stuff.

jjktkk
03-08-2012, 03:21 AM
Thanks for the writeup Tim. Thought a D for Pop was alittle harsh, but, meh. :tu

sehui
03-08-2012, 03:35 AM
I feel like those outbursts on the refs are necessary sometimes. They were calling some clear bullshit.

TDMVPDPOY
03-08-2012, 04:11 AM
whoever was guarding carmelo did a good job forcing him to shoot jumpers then posting down low this game

as for KL, we need more of that from him, cutting and taking it to the rim...his got the handles and skillset to do it, theres no one in the league can defend him once he gets into position and starts to take his man off the dribble...

and yes the game reffing was bullshit, baron davis got away with alot of shit physically...as for amare and carmelo how much have they regressed

100%duncan
03-08-2012, 05:16 AM
Good read on pop's actions tim.

Em-City
03-08-2012, 07:13 AM
"I was really impressed with Richard’s (Jefferson) game. I thought his defense was excellent. He contested everything."

Pop.



why does he keep trolling us??

spurspokesman
03-08-2012, 07:29 AM
Kawhi B- RJ D- other than that great job. RJ flat out sucked Timvp and was getting starched by melo. I would have like to see him at least get physical with melo off the ball just a little to see what the refs were going to let fly. He just let melo catch quick dribble and break the cotton on the net.

benefactor
03-08-2012, 07:38 AM
Slowly but surely Manu is looking like Manu again. In the long term plans, that's all that matters.

Kamnik
03-08-2012, 07:59 AM
Awsome read as always. I love these reports!

silverblackfan
03-08-2012, 08:31 AM
Not an RJ fan, but I thought he did a pretty good job of being physical and hitting the boards. He pulled down some pretty good rebounds. He seemed motivated. Too bad he could look a bit more intimidating when Baron Davis got in his face...
The whole team looked pretty motivated. I suspect Pop has indicated that he is tightening the rotations and everyone is now working for their position.

TJastal
03-08-2012, 08:41 AM
Pop D
Pop got ejected after a pair of technical fouls near the end of the fourth quarter. Frankly, I thought it was stupid of Pop to get ejected at that point of the game. The Spurs were up by 22 points and were headed into a garbage-time filled final period. There was simply no reason to get ejected and leave the difficult job of nursing a large lead to his assistant coaches. Predictably, the assistants overreacted to halfhearted runs by the Knicks and played Duncan and Parker unnecessary minutes. And I can't really blame the assistants because if the Knicks would have come back to win, even though it was extremely unlikely, Pop would have never forgiven anyone involved. As for Pop's actual coaching, I don't like a starting lineup that features both Jefferson and Neal; there's simply not enough defense with those two players on the wing. Otherwise, Pop was doing an adequate job before his pointless ejection.

Jefferson needs a boot to the end of the bench, there's really no justification for his presence in the starting lineup anymore.

Then Leonard takes his place, defensive problem solved.

Sense
03-08-2012, 08:42 AM
"I was really impressed with Richard’s (Jefferson) game. I thought his defense was excellent. He contested everything."

Pop.



why does he keep trolling us??

? He's right.. did you not watch the game?

bklynspursfan
03-08-2012, 09:06 AM
"(The Spurs) don't have nearly enough talent to compete with us," Stoudemire said. "Our personnel, our talent is off the charts."

DMC
03-08-2012, 09:06 AM
Pop does that at least once a season to let the players know he's still interested. It's better to get ejected up 22 than in a close game that matters.

relic
03-08-2012, 09:32 AM
what does Parker need to do for a A+?????

timvp
03-08-2012, 09:32 AM
I thought I might have been too harsh on Kawhi for his defense, then I saw this:

In the 24:40 Kawhi was on the court, the Knicks scored 64 points.

In the 23:10 Kawhi was on the bench, the Knicks scored 41 points.

:smchode:

EVAY
03-08-2012, 09:34 AM
This was the first game I have seen in person all season. And I was listening to a little of the radio coverage on the way home.

In the first quarter Duncan was not bothering to show up down court on a fast break, and was consistently getting blocked out of position on the boards (actually that last part happened all game). It makes me nuts to watch the team go 4 on five offensively because Tim decides not to run to the other end of the court. It was not a problem tonight too much because as the Coach said on the interview after the game....it was important that we come out and stay aggressive tonight after two home losses and Tony did just that. I figured that people on this board would fuss about him not getting more assists, but the coaches have essentially told him that he has to be an aggressive scorer, he does just that. And he did it last night.

Tim became more aggressive after the first quarter and was better on the defensive boards than on the offensive, but with him and Blair in the game, we are out rebounded pretty significantly.

And the refs really were awful, awful. I saw Kawhi get manhandled by Anthony and he never once got a call. And Baron Davis was a fouling machine out there. We concluded that the refs must have tickets on an early flight because there was so much fouling going on that wasn't getting called, but a few times that was an absolute mugging. Pop was right to be pissed. He was not right to get himself tossed.

It was great to see Manu rounding into vintage Manu form.

EVAY
03-08-2012, 09:40 AM
what does Parker need to do for a A+?????

You are clearly new here, aren't you? Get used to this. Parker can and does do exactly what the coaches tell him to do, but the fans here don't appreciate what he does. Duncan and Ginobili, yes...Parker....not so much.

He has carried this team all season and people around here still hate on him and begrudge him any accolades at all. It's pathetic, to me. When T.J. Ford went down again last night I thought, "Well, so much for Parker getting any time off". He is bound to be exhausted, and it showed at the end of the third quarter. With Ginobili back, we are not as bad off without Tony as we were with him out, because Manu is a good ball handler who is probably a better passer (more skilled) than Tony can ever be, but the team simply loses sits offensive focus every time Tony sits. And that is a reality that people on this board admit slowly or not at all.

ManuTastic
03-08-2012, 09:44 AM
Slowly but surely Manu is looking like Manu again. In the long term plans, that's all that matters.

Amen.

timvp
03-08-2012, 09:52 AM
Tim became more aggressive after the first quarter and was better on the defensive boards than on the offensiveSince he's more of a jumpshooter this season, his offensive rebounds were bound to plummet -- and they have.


but with him and Blair in the game, we are out rebounded pretty significantly.Despite Blair's slacking on the defensive glass, the Spurs still outrebounded the Knicks 19-14 when those two were in the game.

timvp
03-08-2012, 09:55 AM
It's better to get ejected up 22 than in a close game that matters.

Violently disagree, tbh. It's easier for an assistant coach to fill in during a close game. This especially true for the Spurs since the assistant coaches have been around forever and know what Pop typically likes to do in close games. In a blowout, an assistant coach will be much more overprotective of a lead than a head coach.

manufan10
03-08-2012, 09:58 AM
Violently disagree, tbh. It's easier for an assistant coach to fill in during a close game. This especially true for the Spurs since the assistant coaches have been around forever and know what Pop typically likes to do in close games. In a blowout, an assistant coach will be much more overprotective of a lead than a head coach.

No need to get violent, it's just a message board.

:p:

DPG21920
03-08-2012, 10:06 AM
I know it's just one game, but I'm really alarmed with Pops frame of mind. Playoff rotation = more minutes with a worse defensive starting 5???

Spur|n|Austin
03-08-2012, 10:11 AM
It was awesome to see Pop yell "your wrong!!" right at the refs face live at the game. The officiating was so bad it had to be done before someone else got hurt.

NASpurs
03-08-2012, 10:16 AM
It was awesome to see Pop yell "your wrong!!" right at the refs face live at the game. The officiating was so bad it had to be done before someone else got hurt.

Hopefully Pop didn't yell out "your wrong" at the ref. I would hate to see someone being tossed out for bad spelling.

Spur|n|Austin
03-08-2012, 10:17 AM
Hopefully Pop didn't yell out "your wrong" at the ref. I would hate to see someone being tossed out for bad spelling.

You're a dipshit. How's that?

SpurNation
03-08-2012, 10:31 AM
I for one (that's probably not saying much) agree with the starting of Neal. If splitting hairs...his grade more of a C than D. And understandably so being his first starting gig since Ford's hamstring injury.

However...I think it more important that (regardless who's going to start) it needs to be consistent from this moment on. And earlier in the season... Neal starting... was providing some of the best and most consistent unit numbers.

That, along with the chemistry developing between Ginobili and Splitter, I think, needs to be taken into consideration as well. Give Neal a few games to reestablish what he provided prior to having to come off the bench AND keep the momentum going of what appears to be a great Ginobili / Splitter tandem.

tenbeersbold
03-08-2012, 10:33 AM
It was awesome to see Pop yell "your wrong!!" right at the refs face live at the game. The officiating was so bad it had to be done before someone else got hurt.

Better get used to it.The Spurs are tv ratings/NBA cancer.

Ever since the ASG you can see the refs tightening up fouls on the Spurs at the end of quarters if they're ahead and blatantly not calling many fouls that the Spurs opposition commits.

Leading to IMHO dangerously escalating physicality in certain parts of the game

The last Denver game that Faried kid only had that game cause he wasn't being called for the foul machine that he is,dude was over-the-back of some Spur on almost every rebound he jumped for even threw Tiago right to the floor in front of a ref on one play,no call of course

Spurs finals have been the WORST tv ratings of all time and if you dont think the NBA is a business that wants to make money...well you do the math and dont be surprised at what happens if the Spurs go far

gameFACE
03-08-2012, 10:40 AM
Matt Bonner C-
The most entertaining game within the game was when Matt Bonner and Steve Novak matched up. It started off friendly but then eventually they both got chippy. At one point, the two marksmen traded forearm shivers and neither would give the other one anything resembling an open look. These might be the last two players you'd ever expect to start a mano-a-mano battle … but that's what happened. I guess they both take the title of the Best Three-Point Shooter in NBA History 6-foot-10-or-Taller seriously. (Currently, Novak is first at 42.9% and Bonner is second at 41.9% -- with Channing Frye a distant third at 39.4%.) Oh, and as for the game against the Knicks, Bonner didn't really do anything else of note other than tussle with Novak.

The Bonner/Novak matchup is much more fun to watch than Bonner/Scalabrine.
:lol
Not defending Bonner (no pun intended) but if Chandler was playing Tony may not have had as many points in the paint and would have had to kick out to the Red Rocket. He may have been more effective. Knicks still would have lost big, though.

Gino2882
03-08-2012, 11:38 AM
So Leonard is not (at least yeat) much of an asset on the defensive end? I mean from what I have seen he has better ball handling and 3 point shooting than advertised, but if he can't become a top defensive player his ceiling is really limited.

mazerrackham
03-08-2012, 11:44 AM
Becoming a top defensive player takes time. There's a lot to adjust to in the NBA.

NASpurs
03-08-2012, 12:22 PM
You're a dipshit. How's that?

I guess I am and now you can spell. I made a difference today in someone's life. :toast

TJastal
03-08-2012, 12:41 PM
I thought I might have been too harsh on Kawhi for his defense, then I saw this:

In the 24:40 Kawhi was on the court, the Knicks scored 64 points.

In the 23:10 Kawhi was on the bench, the Knicks scored 41 points.

:smchode:

So what's up with this? Is his bread and butter gonna be more of a good offensive player who doesn't turn the ball over and commit fouls as opposed to the future Bruce Bowen?

I've been limited to what games TNT and NBATV have shown so it's hard for me to get much of a snapshot of his game unfortunately.

YoMamaIsCallin
03-08-2012, 12:55 PM
Jefferson needs a boot to the end of the bench, there's really no justification for his presence in the starting lineup anymore.

Then Leonard takes his place, defensive problem solved.

Ummm... were you watching? RJ had a very nice game, other than missing shots, which happens to everyone. Defense, rebounding, steals/near steals, high energy level... what's not to like?

Hey I'm a huge Kawhi fan too but he's not ready to be the starter. Next year.... when he gets a summer of supervised work, plus a full training camp... watch out. He is going to seriously turn some heads in this league.

TJastal
03-08-2012, 01:06 PM
Ummm... were you watching? RJ had a very nice game, other than missing shots, which happens to everyone. Defense, rebounding, steals/near steals, high energy level... what's not to like?

Hey I'm a huge Kawhi fan too but he's not ready to be the starter. Next year.... when he gets a summer of supervised work, plus a full training camp... watch out. He is going to seriously turn some heads in this league.

Boy you're gullible. Jefferson gives effort maybe every 1 out 10 games it seems. Let's see if he can actually sustain this for a week before declaring him a good defensive player.

And I'm not yet convinced that Leonard can't handle a starting role. He plays with a maturity far beyond his age as far as limiting mistakes and dumb fouls. Defensively he did improve the team earlier in the year when he was put in as a starter. I'm not entirely sure what happened after that, but I remember the spurs defense improved immediately and stayed improved for several weeks.

ChumpDumper
03-08-2012, 01:22 PM
Ummm... were you watching?Of course he didn't watch.

manufan10
03-08-2012, 02:24 PM
Of course he didn't watch.

And apparently, he hasn't watched very many games.. period:



I've been limited to what games TNT and NBATV have shown so it's hard for me to get much of a snapshot of his game unfortunately.

TJastal
03-08-2012, 02:41 PM
And apparently, he hasn't watched very many games.. period:

And this is news to you? I've only been saying repeatedly since the season started. :lol

manufan10
03-08-2012, 02:44 PM
And this is news to you? I've only been saying repeatedly since the season started. :lol

I don't go around just looking for your posts to read. But that would explain your crappy takes.

:lol

jjktkk
03-08-2012, 02:50 PM
I've been limited to what games TNT and NBATV have shown so it's hard for me to get much of a snapshot of his game unfortunately.

This definitely explains your shitty takes.

TJastal
03-08-2012, 02:53 PM
This definitely explains your shitty takes.

I've read every single Timvp grade thread, and I feel that's almost as good as watching a game tbh.

manufan10
03-08-2012, 02:54 PM
I've read every single Timvp grade thread, and I feel that's almost as good as watching a game tbh.

:lmao

This has to be someone's troll. No way this is a real poster.

jjktkk
03-08-2012, 03:06 PM
I've read every single Timvp grade thread, and I feel that's almost as good as watching a game tbh.

Slurping Tim does not get you off the hook. :nope

tenbeersbold
03-08-2012, 06:26 PM
I've read every single Timvp grade thread, and I feel that's almost as good as watching a game tbh.

No way,you get far more outta watching the games than reading someone elses description.Try to watch in HD on a large screen if at all possible.

I've seen a lot of live NBA and if you just want to really "see" a game there's nuthin' like HD on a large 70" and up screen :flag: