Spurs to offer Duncan at least $11M per year

[DPG21920]

So because of ranking the ~$90 million more Garnett made (not counting this contract) when he could negotiate for market value goes up in smoke? LOL, you're like arguing with a member of congress. :lol

What? What does that have to do with anything? You said he is underpaid. I said he's not. I said the Spurs should pay him because they owe him, but the reason they owe him is not because he is under paid because that is silly.

You said he is underpaid because KG is a worse player, yet made more money. I said Tim is top 5 all time, and made more money than plenty of players better than him. You used an excuse as to why he was paid more than guys better, while using the same excuse as to why KG made more.

[Spurs da champs]

I love Duncan but it was so obvious that KG was the better of the 2 especially in the playoffs. Duncan should get slightly less then KG.

[baseline bum]

Duncan couldn't negotiate for market value. Now go troll someone else.

[DPG21920]

Duncan couldn't negotiate for market value. Now go troll someone else.

:lol Saying its trolling. Cool.

So in your opinion, Duncan, who was paid as much as he could be paid with the exception of leaving some money on the table, and that is top 5 all time is underpaid.

Cool, I just disagree. It's not trolling.

[T Park]

I love Duncan but it was so obvious that KG was the better of the 2 especially in the playoffs. Duncan should get slightly less then KG.


Yeah and you'd be wrong.

[timvp]

:rolleyes Who has been better last year, Duncan or Garnett?

To me, it's Garnett.Let's see: Duncan was the most important all-around player on a team that won 50 games, went on a historic run and posted PERs of 22.5 in the regular season and 22.9 in the playoffs.

Garnett, on the other hand, was the second best player on a team that won 39 games playing against weaker competition while posting PERs of 20.5 in the regular season and 20.4 in the playoffs.

Other than those brainwashed by the ESPN hype machine, it should be clear that Duncan was at the very least as good as Garnett. I'd say he was better. Duncan's advantage on the offense end is greater than Garnett's advantage on defense.

Put Duncan on the Celtics and Garnett on the Spurs and the Celtics are as good or better while the Spurs probably win at least ten fewer games if not more.

If you compare Duncan since March to Garnett since March, there's no way to argue against Duncan, tbh.


So it's logical that Duncan has a lower market value.

1. One player doesn't set a market.

2. Garnett very likely took less. Considering he's made $90+ million more than Duncan and has never taken less (like Duncan already has), it's not a shock that he gave the Celtics a little bit of a discount.

[baseline bum]

No soy creyente

[007nites]

KG is about to sign a 3 year deal at 34 mil

[Spurs da champs]

Yeah and you'd be wrong.
KG was not better than Tim in the playoffs? Quit being a blind homer & Im not takingg anything away from Duncan cuz he had a great season but last year KG>TD.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I love Duncan but it was so obvious that KG was the better of the 2 especially in the playoffs. Duncan should get slightly less then KG.

Duncan's PER was higher in the playoffs. Just sayin'...

The NBA media loves ALL things Celtic and Laker. Since the Lakers were out early, the story turned to Boston.

[Brazil]

IMHO Garnett had a better PO run. In O he has carried a lot of the scoring load with Allen, Pierce struggling to score the basketball tbh fwiw imho

KG contract is an indication for Tim and Spurs FO IMHO but it's not critical

Spurs should give him whatever he wants I'm saying that because I'm pretty sure Tim is going to be reasonable.

[DPG21920]

Again, this was never about market value for Tim. IMO KG is irrelavant because that is trying to argue market value. If we are talking about market value I don't see an argument that Tim isn't worth 15M a year for two years.

The argument is what is the goal of the team and Tim. Has nothing to do with market value.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Duncan's PER was higher in the playoffs. Just sayin'...

The NBA media loves ALL things Celtic and Laker. Since the Lakers were out early, the story turned to Boston.

My bad. I had read that, but it's not quite true according to the NBA measures. KG was at 22.60 and Tim was at 22.21. That difference is less than a rounding error.

[DPG21920]

Arguments flying all over the place, hard to keep up. Talking about market value, then camby, then KG, then PER, then who had better support...

[timvp]

KG was not better than Tim in the playoffs? Quit being a blind homer & Im not takingg anything away from Duncan cuz he had a great season but last year KG>TD.

Per minute in the playoffs, Duncan averaged more points, more rebounds, more blocks and more assists while turning the ball over much less often. He also had a substantially higher PER. The only reason KG played more minutes is they had so much trouble beating the scrubbish Hawks and Sixers.

There's really no case in saying Duncan was worse than Garnett other than the ESPN hype machine, tbh.

[AnthonyM]

There's really no case in saying Duncan was worse than Garnett other than the ESPN hype machine, tbh.

But but, they were so amazed that he did pushups on his knuckles....

[timvp]

:lol Spurs fans brainwashed by ESPN. The only way to say Garnett was better than Duncan in the playoffs is if Garnett's defense was far, far, far and away better than Duncan's defense. But that simply wasn't the case. Duncan was the only thing keeping the Spurs from being the worst defensive team in the playoffs.

[DPG21920]

Why are we arguing about who was better in the playoffs?

[DPG21920]

From my understanding, unless Tim takes something silly like 6M per year, this year is shot anyways from a cap perspective. The important year is the year after next, no?

[timvp]

I'm not engaging, bro. I'm here to talk basketball; not help someone troll.

[DPG21920]

I am not trolling. I am not bragging. 2 of the 3 post I quoted in the thread you bumped were going back to comments about Tim's contract that you lauded me for and now you scoff me for.

I've said two things: Tim deserves to be paid whatever he wants but that it is not a market value argument. If it was about market value, it's 15M a season end of discussion.

I also said he's not underpaid.

That's it. I don't see how that is trolling unless you are trolling me like you are everyone else with the multi-argument.

[Spurs da champs]

Per minute in the playoffs, Duncan averaged more points, more rebounds, more blocks and more assists while turning the ball over much less often. He also had a substantially higher PER. The only reason KG played more minutes is they had so much trouble beating the scrubbish Hawks and Sixers.

There's really no case in saying Duncan was worse than Garnett other than the ESPN hype machine, tbh.

If your best argument is the per argument then I'm afraid you've already lost.

[timvp]

If your best argument is the per argument then I'm afraid you've already lost.

My argument is that by every stat Duncan was better. What's your argument?

[Mel_13]

The timing on the announcement of Tim's new deal is interesting to me. If they announce it after the Spurs have used their MLE/BAE and made their decisions on Green and Mills, it would indicate to me that Tim has become part of the decision-making process with Pop and ownership.

[Spurs da champs]

My argument is that by every stat Duncan was better. What's your argument?

My argument is that KG was better in the post season & his play suggested that, those per stats are basically hypothetical & really mean nothing. It seems to me like your argument is more of a theory then an actual argument.

[DPG21920]

The timing on the announcement of Tim's new deal is interesting to me. If they announce it after the Spurs have used their MLE/BAE and made their decisions on Green and Mills, it would indicate to me that Tim has become part of the decision-making process with Pop and ownership.

Depending on what the contract is, it should cause Tim to sign at a certain time, correct? I don't think it will end up mattering because it is so unlikely he takes a contract low enough to make a difference in cap space.

[Mel_13]

Depending on what the contract is, it should cause Tim to sign at a certain time, correct? I don't think it will end up mattering because it is so unlikely he takes a contract low enough to make a difference in cap space.

Not trying to imagine a scenario with cap space, that's why I assumed the use of the MLE. Talking about the de facto hard cap of 4M above the tax threshold that comes into play when you use the full MLE.

[timvp]

My argument is that KG was better in the post season & his play suggested that, those per stats are basically hypothetical & really mean nothing. It seems to me like your argument is more of a theory then an actual argument.

Theory? Garnett averaged three more minutes in the playoffs than Duncan.

[SenorSpur]

Duncan was the only thing keeping the Spurs from being the worst defensive team in the playoffs.

^ This.

[DPG21920]

Not disagreeing, but we know that per minute stats with Tim could be a little deceiving. There is a reason Pop feels he has to heavily monitor Tims minutes and KG can play more. You might get diminishing returns from Tim.

[DPG21920]

But that's not the point. Tim's play warrants a big pay day.

[Spurs da champs]

Theory? Garnett averaged three more minutes in the playoffs than Duncan.

And still produced more ...so I still fail to see your point.

[TD 21]

Per minute in the playoffs, Duncan averaged more points, more rebounds, more blocks and more assists while turning the ball over much less often. He also had a substantially higher PER. The only reason KG played more minutes is they had so much trouble beating the scrubbish Hawks and Sixers.

There's really no case in saying Duncan was worse than Garnett other than the ESPN hype machine, tbh.

:tu

timvp's had at least a half dozen /thread caliber posts in the past few pages.

Give it up, you fools. Duncan was/is still better and means more to this franchise than Garnett does to the Celtics. I agree that he'll probably sign for 2/$25, but if by the off chance he wants something like $14-15 a year, so be it.

[Spurs da champs]

What is the damn shame of saying an old KG is better then an old TD? Everybody knows for their careers Tim is the much better of the 2 & nobody is denying this, yet your bias is clouding y'alls judgment.

[Dex]

No matter what the contract is, I'm just glad to know that 2011-2012 wasn't the last time we will get to see the greatest Spur ever suit up. I was dreading the day that time came (as we all assumed that contract would be his last), and I know it's still looming on the horizon in a year or two, but even an extra couple seasons will be a privelege, TOSB status or not.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

What is the damn shame of saying an old KG is better then an old TD? Everybody knows for their careers Tim is the much better of the 2 & nobody is denying this, yet your bias is clouding y'alls judgment.

KG, on his best day, has never been and WILL never be "better" than Duncan. What I will give you is that his health has been better in the last year or two, allowing him to play more minutes. Even at that, Duncan's per minutes stats are better.

[Duncan2177]

If the spurs are going to offer Duncan $12M per year they must be working on a big trade or something.

[Mel_13]

If the spurs are going to offer Duncan $12M per year they must be working on a big trade or something.

Why?

[Duncan2177]

The spurs wont have any cap space to get a good player so that only leaves them with one alternative and that is to trade. Right? Wrong?

[Mel_13]

The spurs wont have any cap space to get a good player so that only leaves them with one alternative and that is to trade. Right? Wrong?

Spurs won't have any cap space whether Duncan signs for 6M or 12M. They'll have the same possible use of the MLE, BAE and vet minimum to sign free agents in either case.

Spurs were only going to have meaningful cap space if Duncan retired or signed a contract close to the minimum.

[Duncanonu]

We are over the cap next year anyway, but not the next. Haven't they reached the trust point of giving him another 20+ mill contract with the understanding that he gets 5 mill or so the next year? Ideally, we would pay him heavily next year and lightly the following year. What this tells me is that the spurs aren't sure he wants to play multiple years and would like the temptation of big money in year two over such a gentlemens agreement that Tim could burn the team on after next year.

[TXstbobcat]

We will have the cap space when Manu's and Jackson's contracts come off of the books after next season is over.

[racm]

KG, on his best day, has never been and WILL never be "better" than Duncan. What I will give you is that his health has been better in the last year or two, allowing him to play more minutes. Even at that, Duncan's per minutes stats are better.

Not to mention that Duncan has had better support, in the regular season at least, while Garnett is the only consistent big on the Celtics roster.

[therealtruth]

The NBA didn't draw anywhere close to the same level of revenue in the days of Bird and Magic. Jordan got paid pretty handsomely at the tail end of his career (his 1998 salary still smokes any one year salary since), though he was really underpaid before 96.

I always think of Scottie Pippen when I think of underpaid players. He was the second best guy on several championship teams.

[Ice009]

To be honest, Garnett has been significantly better than Duncan this year. Garnett was awesome on the defensive end.

If Garnett "market value" is $11.3M per year, then Duncan should get less than $10M per year.

I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous statement Bruno. Absolutely ridiculous.

KG is more mobile because his knee is in better shape, does KG have to walk around wearing a knee brace when he is not on the court? Tim played great in the first two rounds of the playoffs, but when the WCF switched to a game every other day that may have taken a toll on his knee. Despite that he was still possibly close to being the best big man in the playoffs and you want him to take less money than KG?

If Tim wants to, that is great, but that is only after you make your initial offer HIGHER or at least equal to what KG got. Then give Tim some other options if him taking less creates some flexibility.

[spurraider21]

I think they should have some sort of under the table deal. Instead of giving something like 2 years 22 million they should give him a 1 year 15 million deal and next offseason give him 1 year 7 million or something like that. We can afford to frontload the deal since we aren't players in free agency this year but need the space next offseason

[Seventyniner]

I think they should have some sort of under the table deal. Instead of giving something like 2 years 22 million they should give him a 1 year 15 million deal and next offseason give him 1 year 7 million or something like that. We can afford to frontload the deal since we aren't players in free agency this year but need the space next offseason

Um, no. Under-the-table deals are insanely stupid, especially considering what happened to the Wolves.

[Andthentherewas21]

So as of the beginning of the 2012 Free Agency period (in 2 hours), the Spurs have $49,084,191 in committed salary for the 2012-2013 season, with $26,542,241 in cap-holds for their free agents.

The biggest cap-hold is obviously Duncan at $22,222,850, and then James Anderson at $1,756,224. Not sure if they have renounced Anderson, but I know they didn't pick up his option so I would assume that his cap-hold is gone at midnight (though maybe someone can correct me on that).

We know that both Green and Mills have had qualifying offers tendered, so that is another 2,695,391 + whatever Mills was offered (think it was a bit over $1 million). So basically your looking at Spurs committed to around $53 million at the start of the FA period.

That would be around $5-7 million under the cap (depending on where the salary cap lands). However since Duncan and the Spurs didn't reach an agreement prior to the period beginning so the cap-hold on his salary remains until he is signed by the Spurs or another team. This means the Spurs don't have anything to offer any FA other than the MLE and the BAE, unless they want the vet. minimum. So basically unless he takes the vet minimum himself, Duncan doesn't really help the team by taking less money (at least this season).

What this all means is basically the Spurs FO is signalling that they aren't looking to FAs (beyond their own Europe crop) to improve the roster this summer.

[Russo21]

He deserves anything and everything the front office give him. Tim Duncan is the San Antonio Spurs. Money and contract numbers are not for us to worry about, it can be very complex. That's on RC and Peter Holt to do what's best for TD and the team.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine

Spurs' fluid plan w/Spur For Life Tim Duncan: I'm told they'll pound out deal specifics & then finalize when timing meshes best w/other biz

[ElNono]

Spurs #20 trying to get web hits... :lol

Ban that ass! :lol

[Halberto]

^:lol

[dbreiden83080]

10 or 11 mil is fair.. Tim would never be greedy anyway...

[ploto]

I agree that TD should get about what KG got. At this point, Tim is not contributing more to his team than KG, especially given that Tim will sit out a number of games.

To those who say that Tim should get whatever he wants, he already got paid. He does not need to get paid now for what he did in the past.

[ploto]

Reports are Raptors will offer Nash 3 years and $36 million.

[therealtruth]

Not disagreeing, but we know that per minute stats with Tim could be a little deceiving. There is a reason Pop feels he has to heavily monitor Tims minutes and KG can play more. You might get diminishing returns from Tim.

I agree per minute stats don't mean you can play big minutes and maintain the same level.

[temujin]

The timing on the announcement of Tim's new deal is interesting to me. If they announce it after the Spurs have used their MLE/BAE and made their decisions on Green and Mills, it would indicate to me that Tim has become part of the decision-making process with Pop and ownership.

Press conference after G7 of 05 finals.
Reporter: "Now looking at the offseason, you are not the GM of the team.."
Duncan interrupting: "No I'm not, not officially." Smiling.

I'd be extremely surprised if Duncan was not involved on a lot of decisions Spurs made in the last decade, already.

[temujin]

I agree that TD should get about what KG got. At this point, Tim is not contributing more to his team than KG, especially given that Tim will sit out a number of games.

To those who say that Tim should get whatever he wants, he already got paid. He does not need to get paid now for what he did in the past.

This.
I highly doubt Duncan was worth > 20 M for the Dallas, Phoenix and Memphis series of 09, 10 and 11.

[TDMVPDPOY]

duncan gettin 11m

while asik is gettin offers around 8m+ for avg 3/1......lmao

[Mel_13]

Press conference after G7 of 05 finals.
Reporter: "Now looking at the offseason, you are not the GM of the team.."
Duncan interrupting: "No I'm not, not officially." Smiling.

I'd be extremely surprised if Duncan was not involved on a lot of decisions Spurs made in the last decade, already.

Of course, he's been consulted on the team's direction for quite some time. What I suggested in my post, and seems to be confirmed by Stein's tweet, is a seat at the table with input into decisions at a very detailed level.

[temujin]

Of course, he's been consulted on the team's direction for quite some time. What I suggested in my post, and seems to be confirmed by Stein's tweet, is a seat at the table with input into decisions at a very detailed level.

Yes.
With the amount of money made by Duncan in his career, and assuming he has not thrown some out of the window (not the type of guy, and certainly not for clothing), he could probably buy the franchise.

[Uriel]

Spurs won't have any cap space whether Duncan signs for 6M or 12M. They'll have the same possible use of the MLE, BAE and vet minimum to sign free agents in either case.

Spurs were only going to have meaningful cap space if Duncan retired or signed a contract close to the minimum.


Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine

Spurs' fluid plan w/Spur For Life Tim Duncan: I'm told they'll pound out deal specifics & then finalize when timing meshes best w/other biz

Mel_13, does our cap situation change at all in light of this new information provided by Marc Stein?

[Mel_13]

Mel_13, does our cap situation change at all in light of this new information provided by Marc Stein?

No.

See my post in the other Duncan thread.

[Horse]

Fuck spending money on fa's and draft picks we need to use that money to pay the refs to call it down the middle. That would go farther than anyone we could sign.

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Spurs Tim Duncan having good contractual talks with SA about re-signing & its very unlikely he will consider another team, sources told Y!

[AFBlue]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Spurs Tim Duncan having good contractual talks with SA about re-signing & its very unlikely he will consider another team, sources told Y!

Guy said as much himself during the playoffs. I guess it's good to confirm he didn't change his mind.

[jag]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Spurs Tim Duncan having good contractual talks with SA about re-signing & its very unlikely he will consider another team, sources told Y!

Breaking news

[ViceCity86]

Give Duncan 1 year 12 million and then start the rebuilding process next summer when Manu and Duncan are coming off the books.Also trade Parker now or next year.

One year run max with this core.

[DesignatedT]

Doubt Duncan would want to sign a one year deal and have to go through this again.

[ducks]

hopefully this duncan guy signs for the vet min

[weebo]

hopefully this duncan guy signs for the vet min

:lmao

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I would've thought 2yrs/$24-26mil would be fair to both parties. Hopes that he'll sign for nothing are in vain - he'll get paid. You don't short-change the guy who brought the franchise 4 rings.

[tuncaboylu]

3 years front loaded 35M is OK for me.
13M this year, 11.5M next year and 10M the third year. It shouldn'e be shorter than 3 years since he can play at least 3 years more.

[007nites]

I say fuck it. Duncan 4 years, 45 mil. This will leave him with a quarter of a billion dollars in Career Salary.

[AFBlue]

I say fuck it. Duncan 4 years, 45 mil. This will leave him with a quarter of a billion dollars in Career Salary.

Spurs got off cheap tbh....should already be there with the money he left on the table.

[Mel_13]

Spurs got off cheap tbh....should already be there with the money he left on the table.

Duncan has left a total of 10M on the table. He was paid the max allowable under the rules until the last extension which covered the most recent two seasons.

[Duncan2177]

Well, as far as the cap hold goes, it is true that we have to re-sign Duncan before we can eliminate that cap hold. However, we are not going to be using salary-cap space to sign anyone. We are using one or both of the exceptions and those don't require Duncans contract to be signed. So in other words, they are going to wait to sign Duncan until they figure out what they can pay him without getting too far into luxury tax territory.

[temujin]

Fuck spending money on fa's and draft picks we need to use that money to pay the refs to call it down the middle. That would go farther than anyone we could sign.

Business-wise, that's the most reasonable post I have read in a long time.

[AFBlue]

Duncan has left a total of 10M on the table. He was paid the max allowable under the rules until the last extension which covered the most recent two seasons.

I know, was just kidding.

[therealtruth]

hopefully this duncan guy signs for the vet min

Duncan can basically control whether he gets a 5th. If he uses up all the cap space he's not getting a fifth. He signs for less, then it's possible. However, if it won't make a difference as far as getting new players he should go for every penny Peter Holt has.

[therealtruth]

Duncan has left a total of 10M on the table. He was paid the max allowable under the rules until the last extension which covered the most recent two seasons.

And the Spurs rewarded him by getting a big man that would offer interior help. Nope they spent that 10M on resigning Richard Jefferson and going after wings. The whole point of leaving money on the table was so they could improve the team not to save Peter Holt money.

[AFBlue]

Duncan can basically control whether he gets a 5th. If he uses up all the cap space he's not getting a fifth. He signs for less, then it's possible. However, if it won't make a difference as far as getting new players he should go for every penny Peter Holt has.

It won't make a difference. A lowball offer gains the Spurs zero additional flexibility to add talent. The Spurs are operating with limited assets to get that "edge" on a fifth banner irrespective of Duncan's contract.

[Mel_13]

Duncan can basically control whether he gets a 5th. If he uses up all the cap space he's not getting a fifth. He signs for less, then it's possible. However, if it won't make a difference as far as getting new players he should go for every penny Peter Holt has.

There's no meaningful cap space unless he signs for the minimum.

[Ditty]

2 years 20-22 million would be perfect and fair, any years or money guaranteed past that will be head scratching. I love Tim but we got to start rebuilding sooner then later.

[DPG21920]

I know it's not the time, but what do people think Manu does after this year? Retire, re-sign, go to another team?

Looking at the cap space for next year, to me it makes it really hard to decide what to do.

Assuming Tim signs for 10M and they waive Bonner after the season, Spurs are only at ~26M with Tim/TP/Kawhi under contract. So while it's nice to win now, I might be happier with short term deals only/value deals to keep that cap space when guys like Dwight are FA's possibly or guys like:

Josh Smith
Richard Jefferson
CP3
Bynum
Harden
Ibaka
Dwight
Milsap

[Mel_13]

I know it's not the time, but what do people think Manu does after this year? Retire, re-sign, go to another team?

It all depends on how this year goes. If he can stay healthy all year and be productive, he'll probably want to play at least one more season. I just never want to see him in another NBA uniform.

[DPG21920]

It all depends on how this year goes. If he can stay healthy all year and be productive, he'll probably want to play at least one more season. I just never want to see him in another NBA uniform.

Agreed, but the timing of his contract makes things very murky. If he was expiring the same year as Tim, it makes it easier.

Hopefully all is well and he does one more year.

[Mel_13]

lol RJ

[DPG21920]

:lol Was wondering if someone would catch that.

[DPG21920]

I guess in thinking about it, I really think the Spurs are in a good spot and should keep cap space for the following year heavily in mind when making deals. Luckily, they will have most of the same team back so they should be competitive. Even if they sign a guy like Diaw or Lorbek, it shouldn't eat too much into their cap space (5M a year max for either, likely less for Lorbek). Keeping Danny might cost 4M. That takes the Spurs to ~36M next year with Tim/TP/Kawhi/Boris or Lorbek/Green and still a lot of cap space to sign a max contract player.

[Ditty]

I'm pretty sure Manu will be getting at least the full mid level exception from many teams. If Manu comes back for 2 years/11 million, then I'm up for it. If he asks for $8 million a year then I probably wouldn't do it unless he averages 20 ppg this season, and wins us a championship.

[therealtruth]

I'm pretty sure Manu will be getting at least the full mid level exception from many teams. If Manu comes back for 2 years/11 million, then I'm up for it. If he asks for $8 million a year then I probably wouldn't do it unless he averages 20 ppg this season, and wins us a championship.

The Spurs messed up by lowballing Manu the first time. Now he's got a higher salary and not as good.

[Mel_13]

The Spurs messed up by lowballing Manu the first time. Now he's got a higher salary and not as good.

What are you talking about?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I know it's not the time, but what do people think Manu does after this year? Retire, re-sign, go to another team?

Looking at the cap space for next year, to me it makes it really hard to decide what to do.

Assuming Tim signs for 10M and they waive Bonner after the season, Spurs are only at ~26M with Tim/TP/Kawhi under contract. So while it's nice to win now, I might be happier with short term deals only/value deals to keep that cap space when guys like Dwight are FA's possibly or guys like:

Josh Smith
Richard Jefferson
CP3
Bynum
Harden
Ibaka
Dwight
Milsap

I was thinking the same thing. The ideal contract for Tim from here on would be year-to-year. That way if Manu decides to leave or hang up his boots, Tim could do the same and we'd have a bucketload of cash to throw at an FA. Or maybe Manu wants to play another year so Tim decides to do the same. Ideally, Tim and Manu retire at the same time which will take ~24-28mil off our cap.

PS It's a wet dream, but Josh Smith as a Spur to play with these guys until Tim retires would bring us another ring. He's athletic, elite defender, runs the floor well, perfect fit. Sure, he's a headcase, but Tim and Pop could bring him into line (just like they did with Jax)... how to get it done is the question. Yeah, I know, pipe dream... :smokin

[TMTTRIO]

I know it's not the time, but what do people think Manu does after this year? Retire, re-sign, go to another team?
I hope for Manu's sake he can hang it up and enjoy his time with his boys before they get too big but knowing Manu he's going to want to play as long as he can. He's already accomplished enough in his career. I would love to have him around in the front office or as an assistant coach like we do with many of our former players but I really don't think he wants to stick around after he retires.

[therealtruth]

What are you talking about?

His contract before his current one was around 10mil per year when he definitely deserved more. He was underpaid for several years. He's earning around 13m per year now because the Spurs felt they had to make up for it.

[Ditty]

His contract before his current one was around 10mil per year when he definitely deserved more. He was underpaid for several years. He's earning around 13m per year now because the Spurs felt they had to make up for it.

From what I remember he was playing damn good in 2010, and was about to be a free agent, until they gave him a extension in the middle of the season. I never heard of such a thing that the Spurs felt they have to make up for his low salary, unless it's speculation.

[timvp]

His contract before his current one was around 10mil per year when he definitely deserved more. He was underpaid for several years. He's earning around 13m per year now because the Spurs felt they had to make up for it.

The hell are you talking about. Ginobili got top dollar in the summer of 2004. Many people thought the Spurs actually overpaid him -- even Spurs fans at the time said it was too much. In retrospect, it was obviously a good deal but at the time it was also fair.

His current deal is what it is because it was the max extension the Spurs could give him and they wanted to keep him off the free agent market. There was no rewarding for a prior lowball or whatever.

[therealtruth]

The hell are you talking about. Ginobili got top dollar in the summer of 2004. Many people thought the Spurs actually overpaid him -- even Spurs fans at the time said it was too much. In retrospect, it was obviously a good deal but at the time it was also fair.

His current deal is what it is because it was the max extension the Spurs could give him and they wanted to keep him off the free agent market. There was no rewarding for a prior lowball or whatever.

Parker got something like 13 and it's hard to argue Parker was worth that much more than him during his last contract period. It's hard to argue that 10m a year was fair in the middle of his contract when he was winning sixth man of the year.

[AFBlue]

Parker got something like 13 and it's hard to argue Parker was worth that much more than him during his last contract period. It's hard to argue that 10m a year was fair in the middle of his contract when he was winning sixth man of the year.

You don't renegotiate in the middle of contracts; this isn't the NFL. He was paid at or above market value for his second contract at the time he signed it and outperformed it. They rewarded him with a maxed out deal based on his previous contract.

Parker's value has nothing to do with Manu; and many people thought Parker's value was fair for what he brought to the team. I would say he outperformed it this past year and has a chance to outperform it for the next two if he remains the focal point of the offense.

[Mel_13]

You don't renegotiate in the middle of contracts; this isn't the NFL. He was paid at or above market value for his second contract at the time he signed it and outperformed it. They rewarded him with a maxed out deal based on his previous contract.

Parker's value has nothing to do with Manu; and many people thought Parker's value was fair for what he brought to the team. I would say he outperformed it this past year and has a chance to outperform it for the next two if he remains the focal point of the offense.

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