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spursncowboys
03-10-2012, 06:33 PM
http://nation.foxnews.com/bill-oreilly/2012/03/08/factor-investigation-ex-obama-official-running-sandra-fluke

spursncowboys
03-10-2012, 06:34 PM
Sandra Fluke contraception controversy was manufactured to divert attention away from the Obama administration's disastrous decision to force Catholic non-profit organizations to provide insurance coverage for birth control and the morning after pill. That might very well be unconstitutional.

Anyway, we're having trouble tracking down just who is sending Sandra around to the media. It's very strange. So far, the 30-year-old activist has appeared on eight national news programs where she was not challenged at all.

spursncowboys
03-10-2012, 06:35 PM
Now, late today we found out that Ms. Fluke is now being repped by the progressive PR agency SKDKnickerbocker where Anita Dunn, the former Obama communications director is the managing editor... a-ha.

spursncowboys
03-10-2012, 06:35 PM
political people run political communications firms?

groundbreaking

what??

ChumpDumper
03-10-2012, 06:42 PM
What's the story here?

CosmicCowboy
03-10-2012, 07:33 PM
What's the story here?


Exactly

Sandra Fluke should be grateful to Rush for her celebrity status. She's the new Snookie.

ChumpDumper
03-10-2012, 07:36 PM
lol Factor Investigation

lol CC's trying to call her a slut again

CosmicCowboy
03-10-2012, 07:39 PM
lol Factor Investigation

lol CC's trying to call her a slut again

:wow You are calling Snookie a slut??????

CosmicCowboy
03-10-2012, 07:41 PM
Then again, I guess she couldn't afford birth control either...:lol

ChumpDumper
03-10-2012, 07:41 PM
:wow You are calling Snookie a slut??????:wow You are calling Snookie a political figure??????

CosmicCowboy
03-10-2012, 07:42 PM
:wow You are calling Snookie a political figure??????

I thought Sandra Fluke wasn't a political figure? Make up your mind Chump.

ChumpDumper
03-10-2012, 07:45 PM
I thought Sandra Fluke wasn't a political figure? Make up your mind Chump.When did I say she wasn't?

Link.

CosmicCowboy
03-10-2012, 07:58 PM
You guys are correct. She looked like a planted hit piece to advocate "free" contraception.

My faulty assumption was that you guys saw her as an innocent college student.


It's YOUR assertion she was impersonating an innocent student.

You are failing badly at backing up that claim with anything tangible.

So she wasn't impersonating an innocent college student, she WAS an innocent college student based on your posts...

NOT a political figure making a statement...

ChumpDumper
03-10-2012, 08:02 PM
So she wasn't impersonating an innocent college student, she WAS an innocent college student based on your posts...

NOT a political figure making a statement...Nope. You should read that again.

You failed.

ChumpDumper
03-10-2012, 08:03 PM
You provided no evidence she was impersonating anything, genius. As far as anyone knows, she was presenting herself as a political figure who was in law school.

CosmicCowboy
03-10-2012, 08:04 PM
LOL

Read your own words bitch. She was either political (like I asserted) or not. You said I couldn't prove she was political. NOW you say she was political. Make up your freaking mind.

CosmicCowboy
03-10-2012, 08:05 PM
And what do you have against Snookie?

ChumpDumper
03-10-2012, 08:09 PM
LOL

Read your own words bitch. She was either political (like I asserted) or not. You said I couldn't prove she was political. NOW you say she was political. Make up your freaking mind.No, you said she was impersonating an "innocent student."

I never said she was actually an innocent student.

I just asked you for actual proof from her testimony she was impersonating an innocent student.

You failed there too.

Bitch.

CosmicCowboy
03-10-2012, 08:14 PM
No, you said she was impersonating an "innocent student."

I never said she was actually an innocent student.

I just asked you for actual proof from her testimony she was impersonating an innocent student.

You failed there too.

Bitch.

OK, so you agree she was a political plant.

Thanks.

FINALLY....:toast

George Gervin's Afro
03-10-2012, 08:15 PM
Isn't she a law student at GU?

CosmicCowboy
03-10-2012, 08:17 PM
Isn't she a law student at GU?

No kidding?

Y'all have fun.

I'm out.

ChumpDumper
03-10-2012, 08:17 PM
OK, so you agree she was a political plant.

Thanks.

FINALLY....:toastYou failed again....:toast

I seriously didn't take you to be stupid when it came to reading simple sentences, but people surprise me all the time.

ChumpDumper
03-10-2012, 08:20 PM
lol plant

lol slut

lol Snookie

Oh, Gee!!
03-10-2012, 08:26 PM
CC likes his women neatly contained in boxes he can understand: she has to be either a law student or a political activist, but not both at the same time. That's impossible since women can't multi-task like us men.

ChumpDumper
03-10-2012, 08:28 PM
Exactly. From what I saw of her testimony, she looked like a politically active law student.

CC and everyone else failed to prove their claim she was trying to portray herself as something other than that.

Oh, Gee!!
03-10-2012, 08:30 PM
Exactly. From what I saw of her testimony, she looked like a politically active law student.

CC and everyone else failed to prove their claim she was trying to portray herself as something other than that.

where does she find the time to do both of those things while having sex with every swinging dick on the east coast?

ChumpDumper
03-10-2012, 08:34 PM
CC was expecting Snookie to testify about health insurance for law students.

FuzzyLumpkins
03-10-2012, 08:44 PM
foxnews.....

Oh, Gee!!
03-10-2012, 10:43 PM
but she has an AGENDA!!!

CosmicCowboy
03-10-2012, 11:01 PM
CC was expecting Snookie to testify about health insurance for law students.

:jack

ChumpDumper
03-11-2012, 04:37 AM
but she has an AGENDA!!!Why would anyone expect a woman trying to change a policy to not be political?

Winehole23
03-11-2012, 12:46 PM
it's pretty obvious Sandra Fluke has been faking it for three years at Georgetown law, biding her time for the opportunity to promote her cause nationally, distract from Obama's war on religion, and to help him get reelected.

ElNono
03-11-2012, 02:22 PM
it's pretty obvious Sandra Fluke has been faking it for three years at Georgetown law, biding her time for the opportunity to promote her cause nationally, distract from Obama's war on religion, and to help him get reelected.

while having one night stands!!!!! slut!!!!

GSH
03-11-2012, 02:38 PM
What Rush said was stupid and uncalled for. Just like Maher and a bunch of others. They're just two sides of the same coin.

This woman has every right to be an activist, and take whatever position she wants. That said, there's no doubt that she had help getting publicity, and that it was political theater. There's nothing illegal or wrong about that. I just get sick of both sides turning everything into a Hollywood production. Actually, what really sickens me is that there are so many people who are swayed by Hollywood productions.

Anybody on the right who can't admit that Rush was a tool for saying those things should just STFU about Bill Maher. But anybody who can't admit that Maher is a tool should STFU about Rush. All the one-sided rightous indignation is the most sickening thing of all. "Hooray for my side, no matter what they do."

GSH
03-11-2012, 02:39 PM
BTW - the definition of "slut"? A woman who will have sex with anyone... except you.

Spurminator
03-11-2012, 02:44 PM
http://nation.foxnews.com/bill-oreilly/2012/03/08/factor-investigation-ex-obama-official-running-sandra-fluke

You do realize that FOX Nation is for stupid people, don't you?

spursncowboys
03-11-2012, 04:08 PM
What Rush said was stupid and uncalled for. Just like Maher and a bunch of others. They're just two sides of the same coin.

This woman has every right to be an activist, and take whatever position she wants. That said, there's no doubt that she had help getting publicity, and that it was political theater. There's nothing illegal or wrong about that. I just get sick of both sides turning everything into a Hollywood production. Actually, what really sickens me is that there are so many people who are swayed by Hollywood productions.

Anybody on the right who can't admit that Rush was a tool for saying those things should just STFU about Bill Maher. But anybody who can't admit that Maher is a tool should STFU about Rush. All the one-sided rightous indignation is the most sickening thing of all. "Hooray for my side, no matter what they do."
No one is saying that. However she isn't just a random 23 yr old student picked at random to speak on the subject. She was a plant. A 30 year old career college student liberal activist who chose Georgetown because they didn't offer contraception in their insurance plan.

spursncowboys
03-11-2012, 04:12 PM
You do realize that FOX Nation is for stupid people, don't you?
The link was a transcript of Bill Oreilly interview. I'm pretty sure you will just say that Bill O is for stupid people. As are people who watch Fox news. As are people who do not watch whatever news program you do.

spursncowboys
03-11-2012, 04:22 PM
You do realize that FOX Nation is for stupid people, don't you?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5510843&postcount=21

You have a long list of who is beneath you intelligently. I'm ok with you putting me in that category. However ridiculous your reasoning.

GSH
03-11-2012, 04:24 PM
No one is saying that. However she isn't just a random 23 yr old student picked at random to speak on the subject. She was a plant. A 30 year old career college student liberal activist who chose Georgetown because they didn't offer contraception in their insurance plan.


You're going to lose a lot of people using the word "plant". But I'm going to try and read between the lines and say that I understand your point. Going to Georgetown and bitching about them not providing contraception is like going to a Muslim school and bitching about them putting their call to prayer on a loudspeaker. Totally out of place - totally out of line. She was within her rights, but only because you can't legislate common sense. Yeah, they picked a place that would be opposed to the idea on principle, so they could get the maximum resistance and publicity. And, yes, she probably had the backing and support of some group, or political party. Like I said, it's political theater. Just don't make too big a deal out of the fact that it was organized. People are allowed to do that in this country. And I wouldn't screw that up, no matter how much I don't like the message. By all means, expose it. People who don't like political theater might be turned off by that. But don't act like they did something wrong.

BTW - didn't it bother you when Rush started talking about her filiming her sex acts so that we could all watch? I mean, didn't that strike you as just creepy? I don't care who she was affiliated with, I'm not going to pretend like that was a normal thing to say. I'm not with the idiots who want to put him off the air for it. I think he serves a purpose, but he sure as hell doesn't represent me with that kind of weirdness.

RandomGuy
03-11-2012, 04:29 PM
foxnews.com

I stopped reading right about there.

:spin :spin :spin

GSH
03-11-2012, 04:30 PM
No one is saying that. However she isn't just a random 23 yr old student picked at random to speak on the subject. She was a plant. A 30 year old career college student liberal activist who chose Georgetown because they didn't offer contraception in their insurance plan.


You're going to lose a lot of people using the word "plant". But I'm going to try and read between the lines and say that I understand your point. Going to Georgetown and bitching about them not providing contraception is like going to a Muslim school and bitching about them putting their call to prayer on a loudspeaker. Totally out of place - totally out of line. She was within her rights, but only because you can't legislate common sense. Yeah, they picked a place that would be opposed to the idea on principle, so they could get the maximum resistance and publicity. And, yes, she probably had the backing and support of some group, or political party. Like I said, it's political theater. Just don't make too big a deal out of the fact that it was organized. People are allowed to do that in this country. And I wouldn't screw that up, no matter how much I don't like the message. By all means, expose it. People who don't like political theater might be turned off by that. But don't act like they did something wrong.

BTW - didn't it bother you when Rush started talking about her filiming her sex acts so that we could all watch? I mean, didn't that strike you as just creepy? I don't care who she was affiliated with, I'm not going to pretend like that was a normal thing to say. I'm not with the idiots who want to put him off the air for it. I think he serves a purpose, but he sure as hell doesn't represent me with that kind of weirdness.

RandomGuy
03-11-2012, 04:34 PM
A 30 year old career college student liberal activist who chose Georgetown because they didn't offer contraception in their insurance plan.

So, you condone Rush's remarks then?

Even if your conspiracy theory is true, and it is a sneaky Obama administration trick, she deserves everything Rush said?

Yes or no will do.

RandomGuy
03-11-2012, 04:39 PM
a student at Georgetown University Law School, a private Jesuit institution:

“Leader [Nancy] Pelosi, members of Congress, good morning. And thank you for calling this hearing on women’s health and for allowing me to testify on behalf of the women who will benefit from the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulation.


Sandra Fluke, a Georgetown University Law student, testifies before the House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee on the importance of contraceptive coverage for students and employees at religious-affiliated institutions. Last week, Fluke was denied the opportunity to speak before the House Oversight Committee hearing on women's reproductive health. Instead, an all-male panel of religious leaders testified on why they should be allowed to deny women contraceptive coverage. SOURCE: C-Span.org
Read more: Sandra Fluke draws attention to financial & health burdens women suffer without contraceptive coverage

“My name is Sandra Fluke, and I’m a third-year student at Georgetown Law School. I’m also a past-president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. And I’d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them so much for being here today.

(Applause)

“We, as Georgetown LSRJ, are here today because we’re so grateful that this regulation implements the non-partisan medical advice of the Institute of Medicine.

“I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously-affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens.

“We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women.

“Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic or Jesuit institutions.

“When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected by this lack of contraceptive coverage.


“And especially in the last week, I have heard more and more of their stories. On a daily basis, I hear yet from another woman from Georgetown or from another school or who works for a religiously-affiliated employer, and they tell me that they have suffered financially and emotionally and medically because of this lack of coverage.

“And so, I’m here today to share their voices, and I want to thank you for allowing them – not me – to be heard.

“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.

“One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.

“Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn’t fit it into their budget anymore. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice.

“And some might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s just not true.

“Women’s health clinic provide a vital medical service, but as the Guttmacher Institute has definitely documented, these clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing, and women are being forced to go without the medical care they need.

“How can Congress consider the [Rep. Jeff] Fortenberry (R-Neb.), [Sen. Marco] Rubio (R-Fla.) and [Sen. Roy] Blunt (R-Mo.) legislation to allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraception coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to de-fund those very same clinics?

“These denial of contraceptive coverage impact real people.

“In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences.


“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.

“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.

“When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.

“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.

“After months paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore, and she had to stop taking it.

“I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of the night in her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room. She’d been there all night in just terrible, excruciating pain. She wrote to me, ‘It was so painful I’d woke up thinking I’ve been shot.’

“Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary as a result.

“On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she was sitting in a doctor’s office, trying to cope with the consequences of this medical catastrophe.

“Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night sweats and weight gain and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She’s 32-years-old.

“As she put it, ‘If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no choice at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies simply because the insurance policy that I paid for, totally unsubsidized by my school, wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.’

“Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at such an early age – increased risk of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis – she may never be able to conceive a child.

“Some may say that my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. I wish it were

“One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but that can’t be proven without surgery. So the insurance has not been willing to cover her medication – the contraception she needs to treat her endometriosis.

“Recently, another woman told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome and she’s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it.

“Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medications since last August.

“I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.

“Because this is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends: A woman’s reproductive health care isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority.

“One woman told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered on the insurance and she assumed that that’s how Georgetown’s insurance handle all of women’s reproductive and sexual health care. So when she was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor, even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections, because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover something like that – something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health.

“As one other student put it: ‘This policy communicates to female students that our school doesn’t understand our needs.’

“These are not feelings that male fellow student experience and they’re not burdens that male students must shoulder.

“In the media lately, some conservative Catholic organizations have been asking what did we expect when we enroll in a Catholic school?

“We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success.

“We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of ‘cura personalis‘ – to care for the whole person – by meeting all of our medical needs.

“We expected that when we told our universities of the problem this policy created for us as students, they would help us.

“We expected that when 94% of students oppose the policy the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for – completely unsubsidized by the university.

“We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that we should have gone to school elsewhere.

“And even if that meant going to a less prestigious university, we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health. And we resent that in the 21st century, anyone think it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.

“Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared today are Catholic women. So ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for the access to the health care we need.

“The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and the universities appreciate the modifications to the rule announced recently. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the health care they need. And I sincerely hope that that is something we can all agree upon.

“Thank you very much.”

http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/02/23/transcript-sandra-fluke-testifies-on-why-women-should-be-allowed-access-to-contraception-and-reproductive-health-care/

FWIW

Viva Las Espuelas
03-11-2012, 04:44 PM
Was Laura Ingraham talking about contraceptives the reason for Ed Schultz calling her a slut?

GSH
03-11-2012, 05:12 PM
http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/02/23/transcript-sandra-fluke-testifies-on-why-women-should-be-allowed-access-to-contraception-and-reproductive-health-care/

FWIW

Here's the problem, Random. Under Title X, any of the women at Georgetown could get free contraception at a nearby clinic - for free. That should tell you that there's more to the story.

These people, on both sides, manipulate us by twisting everything into some kind of confrontation of extremes. It's always a "war on women" or a "war on religion". I'm pretty sick of the bullshit from both sides.

The Catholic Church doesn't believe in birth control - that's their right. If someone who has their insurance needs birth control pills for some other medical purpose, no one in the church or university wants to deny them. But it can't come as any surprise when they want to verify the medical need. NOBODY is naive enough to think that they wouldn't ask the related questions. It comes with the territory. For that matter, I have to answer a shitload of questions to my insurance company, on a fairly regular basis. It comes with that territory, too.

Let's be honest - Ms. Fluke's testimony was disingenuous. And it's highly unlikely that this became a flashpoint at this particular time by accident. These issues would all be a lot easier to work out without all the fake moral outrage on both sides.


Edit: THIS, for example, is utter bullshit.

“We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that we should have gone to school elsewhere. “And even if that meant going to a less prestigious university, we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health. And we resent that in the 21st century, anyone think it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.

NO ONE actually believes that, by paying tuition and attending a school, they should expect to be able to force a religious institution to change their long-held beliefs. NO ONE. And there are other prestigious schools that are not Catholic institutions. There is no forced choice "between a quality education and their health". She is just as full of shit as Rush. Rip 'em both, or leave 'em both alone.

spursncowboys
03-11-2012, 05:24 PM
You're going to lose a lot of people using the word "plant". But I'm going to try and read between the lines and say that I understand your point. Going to Georgetown and bitching about them not providing contraception is like going to a Muslim school and bitching about them putting their call to prayer on a loudspeaker. Totally out of place - totally out of line. She was within her rights, but only because you can't legislate common sense. Yeah, they picked a place that would be opposed to the idea on principle, so they could get the maximum resistance and publicity. And, yes, she probably had the backing and support of some group, or political party. Like I said, it's political theater. Just don't make too big a deal out of the fact that it was organized. People are allowed to do that in this country. And I wouldn't screw that up, no matter how much I don't like the message. By all means, expose it. People who don't like political theater might be turned off by that. But don't act like they did something wrong.

BTW - didn't it bother you when Rush started talking about her filiming her sex acts so that we could all watch? I mean, didn't that strike you as just creepy? I don't care who she was affiliated with, I'm not going to pretend like that was a normal thing to say. I'm not with the idiots who want to put him off the air for it. I think he serves a purpose, but he sure as hell doesn't represent me with that kind of weirdness.
I'm not trying to act like they did anything wrong. It was pretty filthy of rush to do that. I do like listening to rush. I listen to it as entertainment. like a muscle magazine who have to come up with new ways to work out muscles every month, I realize he has to fill a three hour slot every day. When he goes too far I'll go see what Rome is talking about.

Oh, Gee!!
03-11-2012, 09:25 PM
No one is saying that. However she isn't just a random 23 yr old student picked at random to speak on the subject. She was a plant. A 30 year old career college student liberal activist who chose Georgetown because they didn't offer contraception in their insurance plan.

most citizens who testify before congress are not picked at random. they usually are picked because of their expertise on a subject, or they petition to be heard because they have an agenda they are selling. It would be pretty stupid to pick people at random to inform congress about a particular subject.

GSH
03-11-2012, 10:54 PM
most citizens who testify before congress are not picked at random. they usually are picked because of their expertise on a subject, or they petition to be heard because they have an agenda they are selling. It would be pretty stupid to pick people at random to inform congress about a particular subject.

Yeah, picking people at random to talk to Congress would be pretty stupid. I think what a lot of people object to is that she held herself out as sort of a typical student, and therefore representative of typical students.

What I objected to was that a lot of her testimony was contrived, scripted bullshit. Congress doesn't need random people talking to them, but it doesn't need that either. I expect people to have an agenda - that's what we're about. But I can do without outright propaganda. People like Boutons who openly say that it's okay to lie, as long as your cause is pure - those people are zealots. And they don't need to be talking to Congress. It's a waste of everyone's time. But, hey, it makes for good headlines.

I've said it before - I don't have patience for that kind of bullshit, regardless of which side of the political fence it comes from. I call out people on "my side" regularly. Try it sometime. The regular people in this country could work a lot of this shit out, if not for the hate-filled zealots and headline whores.

Oh, Gee!!
03-12-2012, 01:07 AM
What I objected to was that a lot of her testimony was contrived, scripted bullshit.

sounds like any thesis or sales presentation, i.e. what every other person does to get by in life

ChumpDumper
03-12-2012, 02:49 AM
Is that the first Congressional testimony you've seen? They're all scripted and most are disingenuous. I can't think of one vote that was changed due to the testimony of someone like Fluke.

GSH
03-12-2012, 11:45 AM
sounds like any thesis or sales presentation, i.e. what every other person does to get by in life


Is that the first Congressional testimony you've seen? They're all scripted and most are disingenuous. I can't think of one vote that was changed due to the testimony of someone like Fluke.


I object to most of the shit that goes on in our government. And you're both right, nothing new on this occasion. Most of the time, nobody is listening to the testimony, either.

Just once, I'd like to hear someone say something like:

"Okay - Georgetown. Women need this medication for medical purposes sometimes. Don't harass the shit out of them over it."

"And you - dishonest bitches. Some of you know you're trying to do an end-run around a Catholic university, and force them to pay for birth control. You knew who they were when you went there, so knock it the fuck off."


I'm not sure my ideal candidate would get many votes.

101A
03-12-2012, 12:11 PM
Multiple really great posts by GSH.

Making much sense.

hater
03-12-2012, 12:15 PM
using O'Reailly Factor as a source :lmao :lmao

CosmicCowboy
03-12-2012, 12:17 PM
multiple really great posts by gsh.

Making much sense.

x2



I object to most of the shit that goes on in our government. And you're both right, nothing new on this occasion. Most of the time, nobody is listening to the testimony, either.

Just once, I'd like to hear someone say something like:

"Okay - Georgetown. Women need this medication for medical purposes sometimes. Don't harass the shit out of them over it."

"And you - dishonest bitches. Some of you know you're trying to do an end-run around a Catholic university, and force them to pay for birth control. You knew who they were when you went there, so knock it the fuck off."

Viva Las Espuelas
03-12-2012, 12:49 PM
Here's the problem, Random. Under Title X, any of the women at Georgetown could get free contraception at a nearby clinic - for free. That should tell you that there's more to the story.
Title X, of?