Justice Dept. Blocks Texas Law Requiring Photo ID at Polls

[Winehole23]

if true, more Texans have contracted Ebola since 2003 than have been found guilty of voter impersonation fraud:


Texas has required some form of identification to vote at the polls since 2003. In the decade after, before the new law imposed even stricter requirements, some 20 million votes were cast, Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr. told the justices, while “only two cases of in-person voter-impersonation fraud were prosecuted to conviction."http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/us/supreme-court-upholds-texas-voter-id-law.html

[DarrinS]

if true, more Texans have contracted Ebola since 2003 than have been found guilty of voter impersonation fraud:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/us/supreme-court-upholds-texas-voter-id-law.html



Texas has required some form of identification to vote at the polls since 2003. In the decade after, before the new law imposed even stricter requirements, some 20 million votes were cast, Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr. told the justices, while “only two cases of in-person voter-impersonation fraud were prosecuted to conviction."




http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/darcy/photo/16133286-mmmain.jpg



But I'm sure you can conclude that these 18 confirmed cases represent the total. :rolleyes

[Winehole23]

out of 20 million votes, 20 cases of voter impersonation is not statistically significant. any number of voters disenfranchised to stop such a minor electoral problem would be too many.

[Winehole23]

go ahead, dig up the number for indictments. I doubt it supports you any better.

[FromWayDowntown]

out of 20 million votes, 20 cases of voter impersonation is not statistically significant. any number of voters disenfranchised to stop such a minor electoral problem would be too many.

No, no. The point is that untolled thousands (if not millions) are able to conceal their abject fraud and abuse of the electoral system. That we don't know specifically how many there are isn't the point. We must simply assume the worst and undertake whatever measures -- no matter how potentially disenfranchising -- are necessary to ensure that only the right people are voting in our elections.

Above all else, it is the assurance that we get our voting right, not the rights of the voters, that is at issue here.

[Winehole23]

Above all else, it is the assurance that we get our voting right, not the rights of the voters, that is at issue here.sanctity of the vote, not voting rights. gotcha.

[ElNono]

Perhaps the most ironic part is that the alleged solution to the non-existent problem hinges on more big govt bureaucracy...

[DarrinS]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2012/10/morans-son-resigns-after-video-shows-him-discussing-147142.html

[Spurminator]

What if Martians tried to vote? They're not even from this planet!

[Spurminator]

http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/darcy/photo/16133286-mmmain.jpg



This comic is making fun of you, bro.

[FromWayDowntown]

Frankly, there's just too much to be gained or lost in elections these days to entrust them to normal folk.

[DarrinS]

This comic is making fun of you, bro.

Or, I'm making fun of the comic.

[boutons_deux]

Frankly, there's just too much to be gained or lost in elections these days to entrust them to normal folk.

There has been a suggestion from Repugs, wonderful America-loving Americans every one of them, that only property owners should be able to vote, just like back in "originalist" times.

[DarrinS]

Frankly, there's just too much to be gained or lost in elections these days to entrust them to normal folk.


We should just let people vote by anonymous phone call, text message, or via web browser. People would never abuse those things.

Forget it. Through "soft bigotry of low expectations" logic, "some people" would have extreme difficulty with those methods.

Maybe just have census workers go door to door. People can grunt once for "D" and twice for "R".

[DarrinS]

Dems should stop accusing other Dems of this nonexistent crime

http://nypost.com/2014/10/22/bronx-da-looking-into-claims-of-voter-fraud/

[ElNono]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2012/10/morans-son-resigns-after-video-shows-him-discussing-147142.html

thought crime != voter fraud


Dems should stop accusing other Dems of this nonexistent crime

http://nypost.com/2014/10/22/bronx-da-looking-into-claims-of-voter-fraud/

Allegations of voter fraud should be investigated (and, AFAIK, they are). What I can't find in that article is any accusation... disappointed on the bait and switch, tbh.

[ElNono]

Frankly, there's just too much to be gained or lost in elections these days to entrust them to normal folk.

Makes sense. Plus it's abundantly clear that a felon will be deterred by having to procure a fake ID.

[DarrinS]

If you don't click this link, it doesn't exist ---> http://www.nhregister.com/government-and-politics/20140926/bridgeport-state-rep-christina-ayala-arrested-on-19-voting-fraud-charges?fb_locale=id_ID



http://michellemalkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/holder1.jpg

[ElNono]

:lol so the system is working...

[boutons_deux]

If you don't click this link, it doesn't exist ---> http://www.nhregister.com/government-and-politics/20140926/bridgeport-state-rep-christina-ayala-arrested-on-19-voting-fraud-charges?fb_locale=id_ID

looks like she voted in the wrong place 19 times in 19 elections, not 19 times in the same election.

[Spurminator]

It's so widespread!

More links! Seriously, these small isolated incidents are great examples of why we need to completely change the law for 300 million voters.

[Spurminator]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=12372717

Investigators collected two parts of a broken stainless steel and plastic spatula from the scene. The lower part of the spatula was found in a garbage can next to the kitchen and the upper portion was located in a utility drawer in the kitchen, the search warrant states.Detectives took the pieces of the spatula to a pathologist with the Utah State Medical Examiner's office for comparison to the injuries on the victim's back, legs and buttocks. The pathologist found the victim's injuries "consistent with the use of this spatula to inflict the injuries," the search warrant states.

This is just one example of a child being killed with a spatula. But how many hundreds (or even thousands) of spatula murders go unreported?

We should ban spatulas. Is it really that hard to cook without one?

[Spurminator]

NB4 DarrinS posts the James O'Keefe video and claims victory

[DarrinS]

NB4 DarrinS posts the James O'Keefe video and claims victory

If it goes unnoticed, it doesn't exist.

[Spurminator]

I'll remember that next time you debunk global warning with an observation about the weather outside today.

[boutons_deux]

O'Keefe's Colorado Voter Fraud Expose Undercut By Failed Stings
http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/oefy0gu1jsawepfdjgg2.jpg

Conservative provocateur James O'Keefe, slayer of ACORN, is at it again, this time "exposing" voter fraud in Colorado in a new video released Wednesday.

The only problem? Two days before, Mother Jones published (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/colorado-dems-james-okeefe) a story quoting Colorado Democrats who said that they had turned O'Keefe and his team away in their undercover bid to show Democrats hankering to falsify some votes in a state with one of the most closely watched Senate races in the country.

Last week, according to the Democratic staffers who talked to Mother Jones, a man who said he was an LGBT activist came to a Boulder, Colo., office, asking if he should fill out ballots for other college students who had moved out of the state. (All registered Colorado voters received ballots in the mail this year). But he was told not to because it would be voter fraud, according to Mother Jones.

Then a few days later, the man returned to the office with another man who he introduced as a 45-year-old civics professor. Staffers identified O'Keefe as the "professor," according to Mother Jones -- and O'Keefe had tweeted a picture of himself in make-up.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/james-okeefe-colorado-voter-fraud-mother-jones?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

:lol O'Keefe, Repug HERO!!, because Repugs and right-wingers are LIARS, CHEATERS, FRAUDS.

[boutons_deux]

Repug misogynists:

Right-Wing Media Discourage Young Women From Voting


Fox's Kimberly Guilfoyle: Young Women Shouldn't Exercise Civic Duties Because "They Don't Get It." During the October 21 edition of Fox News' The Five, the co-hosts discussed the impact of women voters in the upcoming midterm elections. After co-host Greg Gutfeld suggested that young women lack the wisdom to vote as conservatives, Kimberly Guilfoyle suggested that they should be excused from jury duty, because they lack life experience and just "don't get it." Instead, she said, they should "go back on Tinder or Match.com." [Fox News, The Five, 10/21/14 (http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/10/21/fox-host-young-women-on-juries-are-not-a-good-i/201255)]

Fox's Tucker Carlson: "Do You Want Your Government Run By People Whose Favorite Show Is Say Yes [To The Dress]?" During the October 2 edition of Fox News' Outnumbered, network host

Tucker Carlson criticized a Republican campaign to encourage young women to vote Republican by asking whether or not the young women targeted by the ad should vote at all:


CARLSON: I don't think as a general matter you should be encouraging people who don't know anything about what they're voting for to vote. That's what the Democrats do, giving Newports to the homeless to get them to the polls. That's literally true. Republicans shouldn't follow suit on that. You shouldn't pander to people. Tell us what the candidates are for, what they're against. Attack the other guy, that's fair too. I'm all for attack ads, but you're targeting people -- you're targeting people who are watching Say Yes To The Dress? You want your government run by people ... who's favorite show is Say Yes To The Dress. [Fox News,Outnumbered, 10/2/14 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/10/02/these-fox-figures-suggestions-for-best-voting-p/200996)]


National Review Online: Five Reasons Young Women "Are Too Dumb To Vote." In a September 28 post challenging Lena Dunham for encouraging young women to vote in an article for Planned Parenthood Action Fund, NRO's Kevin D. Williamson provided his "Five Reasons Why You're Too Dumb To Vote." Calling voting a "shallow gesture of citizenship" which women use to say "I want," Williamson urged those who do not agree with his political values to not vote at all:

I would like to suggest, as gently as I can, that if you are voting as an act of self-gratification, if you do not understand the role that voting in fact plays in a constitutional republic, and if you need Lena Dunham to tell you why and how you should be voting -- you should not vote. If you get your politics from actors and your news from television comedians -- you should not vote. There's no shame in it, your vote is statistically unlikely to affect the outcome of an election, and there are many much more meaningful ways to serve your country and your fellow man: Volunteer at a homeless shelter; join the Marine Corps; become a nun; start a business. [National Review Online, 9/29/14 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/09/29/distinctly-unappealing-and-half-bright-national/200928), via Media Matters]


Fox's Harris Faulkner: Do We Want Young People To Vote "If They Don't Know The Issues?" On the October 8 edition of Fox News' Outnumbered, co-host Harris Faulkner responded to Rock The Vote's "#TurnOutForWhat" campaign by questioning whether or not young people should vote "if they don't know the issues." [Fox News, Outnumbered, 10/8/14 (http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/10/08/fox-host-do-we-want-young-people-to-vote-if-the/201069)]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/10/21/right-wing-media-discourage-young-women-from-vo/201259

Repugs know they lose the female vote by MANY POINTS, so logically .... women shouldn't vote, they're too stupid.

[boutons_deux]

New Texas Law Would Require Candidates for Governor to Show Proof of I.Q.


AUSTIN — A controversial new bill in the Texas House of Representatives would require those running for governor to show proof of the minimum I.Q. necessary to perform the duties of the office.
If the bill were to become law, every politician in Texas with gubernatorial ambitions would be issued an I.D. card featuring his or her photo, current address, and performance on a state-administered I.Q. test.


Carol Foyler, one of the co-sponsors of the bill, acknowledged that the idea of a minimum I.Q. for candidates was viewed as incendiary in some circles, but insisted that the requirements of the I.D. card were not onerous. “All they have to do is show mastery of simple tasks, such as uttering complete sentences and things of that nature,” she said.

But the bill faces an uphill fight in the House, where representatives like Harland Dorrinson, of Plano, have vowed to defeat it.

“I know that the folks behind this so-called bill are well meaning,” Dorrinson said. “But if this had been enacted fifteen years ago, it would have choked off our supply of governors.”

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/new-texas-law-require-candidates-governor-show-proof-q

[DarrinS]

I'll remember that next time you debunk global warning with an observation about the weather outside today.

I believe in global warming, just not climategeddon. Was your typo a Freudian slip?

[DarrinS]

Lol, calibration error

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/22/calibration-error-changes-gop-votes-to-dem-in-illinois-county/

[Winehole23]

calibration is real. real voting machines require real maintenance to prevent errors.

[Winehole23]

btw, that story has zero relevance to voter ID laws.

[RandomGuy]

If you don't click this link, it doesn't exist ---> http://www.nhregister.com/government-and-politics/20140926/bridgeport-state-rep-christina-ayala-arrested-on-19-voting-fraud-charges?fb_locale=id_ID



So, how much do we need to all spend to prevent this type of fraud from happening?

Tell me which taxes we need to raise to pay for it while you are at it.

Per the census:
http://thedataweb.rm.census.gov/TheDataWeb_HotReport2/voting/voting.hrml?GESTFIPS=8&INSTANCE=Nov+2012

Connecticut has about a 45% turnout of all potential voters in off-year elections.

Or if you want the raw excel data:

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/socdemo/voting/publications/p20/2012/Table04c.xls

Connecticut had a grand total of 1,568,000 votes cast in the 2012 elections.

You managed to find a single case of voter ID fraud.

That works out to a rate of fraud 0.000064%

Congratulations.

[boutons_deux]

Wall St grease bag spills the greasy, slimy beans on Repug voter suppression and vote counting fraud.



Governor Christie Says GOP Needs To Win In Order To Control ‘Voting Mechanisms’ (http://news.firedoglake.com/2014/10/23/governor-christie-says-gop-needs-to-win-in-order-to-control-voting-mechanisms/)

Just in case it was not clear as to how the GOP plans to win elections despite having a shrinking demographic, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie decided to remove any doubt – rigging the vote. (http://www.northjersey.com/news/christie-says-gop-gubernatorial-candidates-need-to-win-so-they-control-voting-mechanisms-1.1113989) In an amazingly honest speech to the US Chamber of Commerce Governor Christie said that the GOP had to control the voting process if they were to succeed in 2016.

Christie’s statements come in the wake of a wave of voter ID laws meant to drive down poor and minority turnout throughout the country – voters who generally vote Democrat. The US Supreme Court recently upheld Texas’ controversial voter ID law (http://billmoyers.com/2014/10/22/supreme-court-eviscerates-voting-rights-act-texas-voter-id-decision/) and Christie vetoed an early voting bill for New Jersey. Other states have also taken measures to tackle a non-existent voter fraud problem and limit early voting.

Governor Christie also told the Chamber of Commerce he was “tired of hearing about the minimum wage.”

Governor Christie pushed further into the contentious debate over voting rights than ever before, saying Tuesday that Republicans need to win gubernatorial races this year so that they’re the ones controlling “voting mechanisms” going into the next presidential election. Republican governors are facing intense fights in the courts over laws they pushed that require specific identification in order to vote and that reduce early voting opportunities. Critics say those laws sharply curtail the numbers of poor and minority voters, who would likely vote for Democrats…

“Would you rather have Rick Scott in Florida overseeing the voting mechanism, or Charlie Crist?

Would you rather have Scott Walker in Wisconsin overseeing the voting mechanism, or would you rather have Mary Burke?

Who would you rather have in Ohio, John Kasich or Ed FitzGerald?” he asked.


Subtle. In other words, if Republicans are not in control of elections Democrats might win because people will be allowed to vote.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2014/10/23/governor-christie-says-gop-needs-to-win-in-order-to-control-voting-mechanisms/

[Spurminator]

btw, that story has zero relevance to voter ID laws.

:lmao Right?

More links! More links!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I believe in global warming, just not climategeddon. Was your typo a Freudian slip?

You just said that the earth had stopped warming slmost two decades ago. You are so full of shit.

[boutons_deux]

‘This is just bullsh*t’: Texas woman says state trooper harassed her over getting voter ID

A Texas woman was harassed by a state trooper while attempting to obtain the special ID required for voters, MSNBC reported on Friday. (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/texas-woman-threatened-jail-after-applying-voter-id?adbid=758025077627080&adbpl=fb&adbpr=273864989376427&cid=sm_m_main_1_20141024_34396057)

“I’m 62 years old,” Lynne Messinger said about the encounter. “I’ve been voting for a long time, and this is just bullsh*t.”

“It was like a Nazi interrogation about how I can’t be driving with a California ID,” Messinger said the trooper told her. “I was completely intimidated and freaked out.”

Messinger first encountered DPS officials last year, when she was told she could not obtain the voter ID because she did not provide a birth certificate. It took her months to get the document from New York state, where she was born.

“I’m well-traveled, I’m not easily intimidated,” Messinger said. “This guy scared the hell out of me. I can just imagine what other people – a little housewife or a Latino or whatever walks in there and this happens to them.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/this-is-just-bullsht-texas-woman-says-state-trooper-harassed-her-over-getting-voter-id/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[DarrinS]

You just said that the earth had stopped warming slmost two decades ago. You are so full of shit.

It is true that we are currently experiencing a "pause" in warming.

[DarrinS]

:dramaquee

Left-wing hysteria over ID

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/texas-woman-threatened-jail-after-applying-voter-id?adbid=758025077627080&adbpl=fb&adbpr=273864989376427&cid=sm_m_main_1_20141024_34396057


Lol @ the correction at the bottom

[boutons_deux]

:dramaquee

Left-wing hysteria over ID

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/texas-woman-threatened-jail-after-applying-voter-id?adbid=758025077627080&adbpl=fb&adbpr=273864989376427&cid=sm_m_main_1_20141024_34396057


Lol @ the correction at the bottom

the hysteria is on the Repug side, hysterical (fabricated, of course) about rampant, election-throwing voter fraud.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I believe in global warming, just not climategeddon. Was your typo a Freudian slip?

You believe in any position that discourages political action regarding carbon emissions. You are the worst sort of sophist.

[DarrinS]

You believe in any position that discourages political action regarding carbon emissions. You are the worst sort of sophist.

:cry

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:cry

I would say that you are a shill but shills get paid for their work. So what do you think that an objective person reading this exchange is going to make of your credibility?

What I really enjoy is when you are ashamed of your sources and try and hide them. It's why I feel comfortable calling you an intellectually dishonest piece of shit. You cannot discount an insult out of hand when it's true.

Tears indeed. teehee.

[DarrinS]

I would say that you are a shill but shills get paid for their work. So what do you think that an objective person reading this exchange is going to make of your credibility?

What I really enjoy is when you are ashamed of your sources and try and hide them. It's why I feel comfortable calling you an intellectually dishonest piece of shit. You cannot discount an insult out of hand when it's true.

Tears indeed. teehee.


:lol @ your little tantrums

No one is bothered by your petty insults. That's just your standard response to anyone that disagrees with you. Hundreds of examples can be found on these forums for those that are interested (psssst -- no one is interested).

So, fire away, tantrum boy. teehee indeed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol @ your little tantrums

No one is bothered by your petty insults. That's just your standard response to anyone that disagrees with you. Hundreds of examples can be found on these forums for those that are interested (psssst -- no one is interested).

So, fire away, tantrum boy. teehee indeed.

I'm not mad but that you need to create an emotional state as to dismiss what I say speaks quite clearly. Oh and speak for yourself.

[Winehole23]

get a room, already. you two deserve each other.

[Winehole23]

so emo.

[TeyshaBlue]

Tilting at jackasses....a ST pastime.

[Winehole23]

the risk that tilting at jackasses will turn you into one, is considerable.

[FromWayDowntown]

AUSTIN — The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Wednesday that Texas’ voter ID law violates the Voting Rights Act — but it also said the law is not a “poll tax.”

In a unanimous decision, a three-judge panel also rejected a previous judge’s ruling that the law was discriminatory. The Fifth Circuit sent that portion of the lawsuit back to a federal court.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/08/fifth-circuit-court-of-appeals-says-texas-voter-id-law-violates-voting-rights-act.html/